Re: Fw: resend environmental quotation.
While interesting, do we really need the philosophical/political emails on this site? Bob Heller 3M EMC Laboratory, 76-1-01 St. Paul, MN 55107-1208 Tel: 651- 778-6336 Fax: 651-778-6252 - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
Re: Fw: resend environmental quotation.
In message of5d189f68.412bb4e0-on85257441.0044356c-85257441.004c0...@lexmark.com, dated Tue, 6 May 2008, oover...@lexmark.com writes: A quote from the article: And she has a quality scientists try to cultivate: she is skeptical. Has someone made a claim? She wants to see the data. Yes, it's an easy demand to make. But collecting the data in a statistically rigorous way may be a USD 1 billion project. Especially this one - global warming. I think it's widely accepted that Gore was misled. Government ministers are encouraged to think that they can deal with any subject, whether they have any significant background in it or not, simply because they are intelligent (well, most of them) and know how to distinguish fact from fiction. But they CAN'T do that with complex scientific subjects, especially when the scientists themselves violently disagree. The Royal Navy found that out - there were agonies over realizing that a ship's captain simply could not have total authority over the technical departments of the ship. Nevertheless, it IS getting warmer. Either we are causing it, and can do something about it, or it's happening without us and we almost certainly can't stop it. You choose. -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. Try www.jmwa.demon.co.uk and www.isce.org.uk Murphy's Law has now been officially re-named The Certainty Principle John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
Re: Fw: resend environmental quotation.
In message of4c31e70b.c1038405-on86257441.004ccaf4-86257441.004d0...@mmm.com, dated Tue, 6 May 2008, rehel...@mmm.com writes: While interesting, do we really need the philosophical/political emails on this site? You have to allow a few OT digressions, but not let them carry on for long. -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. Try www.jmwa.demon.co.uk and www.isce.org.uk Murphy's Law has now been officially re-named The Certainty Principle John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
RE: Fw: resend environmental quotation.
In these types of debates both sides can usually present their data to make a strong case that they are correct on an issue. For the average individual it comes down to what you want to believe which decides which side you support... We are seeing this currently with the arm wrestling that is going on over the proposed change in flammability requirements for fire enclosures for EDP and Audio Video products. I have followed this with great interest as it affects our products and both sides have presented data which defends their position IMHO.Each side arguments has it's own merit.. From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of John Woodgate Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 10:21 AM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Re: Fw: resend environmental quotation. In message of5d189f68.412bb4e0-on85257441.0044356c-85257441.004c0...@lexmark.com, dated Tue, 6 May 2008, oover...@lexmark.com writes: A quote from the article: And she has a quality scientists try to cultivate: she is skeptical. Has someone made a claim? She wants to see the data. Yes, it's an easy demand to make. But collecting the data in a statistically rigorous way may be a USD 1 billion project. Especially this one - global warming. I think it's widely accepted that Gore was misled. Government ministers are encouraged to think that they can deal with any subject, whether they have any significant background in it or not, simply because they are intelligent (well, most of them) and know how to distinguish fact from fiction. But they CAN'T do that with complex scientific subjects, especially when the scientists themselves violently disagree. The Royal Navy found that out - there were agonies over realizing that a ship's captain simply could not have total authority over the technical departments of the ship. Nevertheless, it IS getting warmer. Either we are causing it, and can do something about it, or it's happening without us and we almost certainly can't stop it. You choose. -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. Try www.jmwa.demon.co.uk and www.isce.org.uk Murphy's Law has now been officially re-named The Certainty Principle John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
RE: Fw: resend environmental quotation.
We are all puppets to the political and philosophical not to mention the hidden agenda of the puppet masters. That is why we all have jobs doing what we do. Never-the-less, I still have to go into the lab and try to blow up a power supply with surge. The Other Brian From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of rehel...@mmm.com Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 10:01 AM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Re: Fw: resend environmental quotation. While interesting, do we really need the philosophical/political emails on this site? Bob Heller 3M EMC Laboratory, 76-1-01 St. Paul, MN 55107-1208 Tel: 651- 778-6336 Fax: 651-778-6252 - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc LECO Corporation Notice: This communication may contain confidential information intended for the named recipient(s) only. If you received this by mistake, please destroy it and notify us of the error. Thank you. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
