Re: Poland and CE and Harmonics and Semantics!
In Russian, Bez opasnost'means, literally, without hazard/danger without hazard e.g.: safe Polish, in this case, should be very close to the same meaning. However, as in all cases, the ascribed meaning, especially in the case of markings/labeling on products, could have a slightly different connotation. I am now very curious to find out whether Russian has a positive word for safety rather than a negative term. If not, that could be a future subject for a Master's thesis on the cultural and semantic arguments in one direction or the other. taniagr...@msn.com - Original Message - From: Gorodetsky, Vitaly Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 5:33 PM To: 'jradom...@clare.com'; emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: Poland and CE and Harmonics John, I have consulted with Woody Strzelecki on this. Not being an expert in Polish I would not venture to discuss the differences between Bezpieczenstwo and Bjezopasnost. FYI: Russians have different word for Safety (if I am not mistaken, Bjezopasnost' in Russian has different connotation and better translated as Security - well, these linguistic nuances...). As to the core of the original question, the national safety mark B is still required in Poland as far as I know. Correct me if I am wrong. I would only speculate that they would have to give up on this mark once they join the EU. On the other hand, there are other safety national marks in Europe marketing people still love. Regards, Vitaly Gorodetsky Compliance Engineer Direct: (818) 678-3840 Canoga Perkins Corp. Main: (818) 718-6300 20600 Prairie Street FAX: (818) 678-3740 Chatsworth, CA 91311-6008 e-mail: vgorodet...@canoga.com mailto:vgorodet...@canoga.com The suitability of this information for making decision is solely with the reader -Original Message- From: jradom...@clare.com [mailto:jradom...@clare.com] Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 1:12 PM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Cc: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: Poland and CE and Harmonics For those who are interested in linguistic aspects of Compliance, the safety mark B stands for Bezpieczenstwo. The word pronounced as Bjezopasnost means Safety ... but in the Russian language. As far I know, test reports and certificates of conformity with pan-European standards issued by accredited testing laboratories are accepted in the approval process in Poland. John Radomski Gorodetsky, Vitaly vgorodet...@canoga.comTo: 'wo...@sensormatic.com' wo...@sensormatic.com, emc-p...@ieee.org Sent by: cc: owner-emc-pstc@majordomSubject: RE: Poland and CE and Harmonics o.ieee.org 06/07/01 12:47 PM Please respond to Gorodetsky, Vitaly Thanks, Richard For those who are interested in linguistic aspects of Compliance, Polish mandatory safety mark B stands for Bjezopasnost which means Safety. Vitaly Gorodetsky Compliance Dept. Direct: (818) 678-3840 Canoga Perkins Corp.Main: (818) 718-6300 20600 Prairie StreetFAX: (818) 678-3740 Chatsworth, CA 91311-6008 e-mail: vgorodet...@canoga.com mailto:vgorodet...@canoga.com The suitability of this information for making decision is solely with the reader --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall, --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall,
RE: Poland and CE and Harmonics
John, I have consulted with Woody Strzelecki on this. Not being an expert in Polish I would not venture to discuss the differences between Bezpieczenstwo and Bjezopasnost. FYI: Russians have different word for Safety (if I am not mistaken, Bjezopasnost' in Russian has different connotation and better translated as Security - well, these linguistic nuances...). As to the core of the original question, the national safety mark B is still required in Poland as far as I know. Correct me if I am wrong. I would only speculate that they would have to give up on this mark once they join the EU. On the other hand, there are other safety national marks in Europe marketing people still love. Regards, Vitaly Gorodetsky Compliance Engineer Direct: (818) 678-3840 Canoga Perkins Corp.Main: (818) 718-6300 20600 Prairie StreetFAX:(818) 678-3740 Chatsworth, CA 91311-6008 e-mail: vgorodet...@canoga.com mailto:vgorodet...@canoga.com The suitability of this information for making decision is solely with the reader -Original Message- From: jradom...@clare.com [mailto:jradom...@clare.com] Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 1:12 PM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Cc: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject:RE: Poland and CE and Harmonics For those who are interested in linguistic aspects of Compliance, the safety mark B stands for Bezpieczenstwo. The word pronounced as Bjezopasnost means Safety ... but in the Russian language. As far I know, test reports and certificates of conformity with pan-European standards issued by accredited testing laboratories are accepted in the approval process in Poland. John Radomski Gorodetsky, Vitaly vgorodet...@canoga.comTo: 'wo...@sensormatic.com' wo...@sensormatic.com, emc-p...@ieee.org Sent by: cc: owner-emc-pstc@majordomSubject: RE: Poland and CE and Harmonics o.ieee.org 06/07/01 12:47 PM Please respond to Gorodetsky, Vitaly Thanks, Richard For those who are interested in linguistic aspects of Compliance, Polish mandatory safety mark B stands for Bjezopasnost which means Safety. Vitaly Gorodetsky Compliance Dept. Direct: (818) 678-3840 Canoga Perkins Corp.Main: (818) 718-6300 20600 Prairie StreetFAX: (818) 678-3740 Chatsworth, CA 91311-6008 e-mail: vgorodet...@canoga.com mailto:vgorodet...@canoga.com The suitability of this information for making decision is solely with the reader --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall, --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim
RE: Poland and CE and Harmonics
Hi Lyons, Up to this point, Poland is still not a Membership of the EU. They will be the first wave candidate coutry to apply for EU Membership by the end of year 2001??. Placing on the Poland market the telecommunication equipment requiring mandatory conformity assessment with the essential requirements and without the required mark of conformity with the essential requirements is prohibited according to Ludomir Nowak (Head of Terminal Equipment Test Laboratory in Poland). Ludomir Nowak can be contacted as the following address. Ludomir Nowak Head of Terminal Equipment Test Laboratory Phone: (+4822) 5128173, Fax: (+4825) 5128146 Email: l.mo...@itl.waw.pl For safety, the Polish Standard PN-93/T-42107, being the Polish translation of IEC 60950 was applied. The test reports and certificates of conformity iwth IEC 60950 or EN 60950/EN 41003 issued by accredited European laboratories were regonized in the homologation procedure. For EMC a mumber of European standards ahve translated into Polish, getting PN-EN symbol in the standard denotation. Foreign certificates of conformity with the corresponding original standards were also accepted during homologation procedure. Hope the above information will be usefull to you. Good luck! Richard Lee Compliance Engineer -- Terawave Communications, Inc. 30680 Huntwood, Ave. Hayward, CA 94544 Tel: 510-401-6590 Fax: 510-401-6628 www.terawave.com -Original Message- From: Lyons, Jim [mailto:jim.ly...@gtech.com] Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 7:59 AM To: 'emc-p...@ieee.org' Subject: Poland and CE and Harmonics I need to know the following: 1) Does Poland require or accept a CE declaration for safety, EMC and telecom, either now or in the foreseeable future? 2) Does Poland have a requirement for power line harmonics (i.e. EN61000-3-2)? Thanks for any help on this. Jim James W. Lyons Manager - Product Compliance GTECH Corp. 55 Technology Way West Greenwich, RI 02817 Tel (401) 392-7723 Fax (401) 392-4955 Email jim.ly...@gtech.com --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall,
RE: Poland and CE and Harmonics
Thanks, Richard For those who are interested in linguistic aspects of Compliance, Polish mandatory safety mark B stands for Bjezopasnost which means Safety. Vitaly Gorodetsky Compliance Dept.Direct: (818) 678-3840 Canoga Perkins Corp.Main: (818) 718-6300 20600 Prairie StreetFAX:(818) 678-3740 Chatsworth, CA 91311-6008 e-mail: vgorodet...@canoga.com mailto:vgorodet...@canoga.com The suitability of this information for making decision is solely with the reader -Original Message- From: wo...@sensormatic.com [mailto:wo...@sensormatic.com] Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 8:27 AM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject:RE: Poland and CE and Harmonics Jim, here is something from my archives from 1998. -- From: Krzysio S [SMTP:krzys...@polbox.com] mailto:[SMTP:krzys...@polbox.com] Sent: Monday, May 11, 1998 9:12 AM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org mailto:emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject:Re: EMC SAFETY REQUIREMENTS - Poland Hello to Pryor McGinnis and those who are interested in the topic (and also who are not), Example of ITE in Poland: For mandatory B certification of ITE in Poland you have to carry out tests according to two Polish standars: PN-93/T-42107: (idt IEC 950 (1991) = Amd.1 (1992) + Amd.2 (1993)) (SAFETY) PN-EN 55022: 1996 (idt. CISPR 22: 1993) (RF DISTURBANCE EMISSION) EMC testing will be extendet to immunity and the way of certification will change as the process of Polish Law approximation to Eauropean Community one continues. For details about ITE testing contact: Laboratory of Automatic Identification Techniques fax +48 61 8526376 For other EMC and Safety questions about common products in Poland contact Polish Centre for Testing and Certification in Warsaw: Director of the Centre: tel. +(48-22)-8471071, 8470742, fax -8471222 Director of Testing Department: tel. +(48-22)-8471722, fax -8433209 Best regards. Krzysztof Sieczkarek Laboratory of Automatic Identification Techniques Institute of Logistics and Warehousing Poznan, Poland fax +48 61 8526376 http://www.ilim.poznan.pl/la/index_E.html http://www.ilim.poznan.pl/la/index_E.html Richard Woods --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall,
RE: Poland and CE and Harmonics
Jim, here is something from my archives from 1998. -- From: Krzysio S [SMTP:krzys...@polbox.com] Sent: Monday, May 11, 1998 9:12 AM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: Re: EMC SAFETY REQUIREMENTS - Poland Hello to Pryor McGinnis and those who are interested in the topic (and also who are not), Example of ITE in Poland: For mandatory B certification of ITE in Poland you have to carry out tests according to two Polish standars: PN-93/T-42107: (idt IEC 950 (1991) = Amd.1 (1992) + Amd.2 (1993)) (SAFETY) PN-EN 55022: 1996 (idt. CISPR 22: 1993) (RF DISTURBANCE EMISSION) EMC testing will be extendet to immunity and the way of certification will change as the process of Polish Law approximation to Eauropean Community one continues. For details about ITE testing contact: Laboratory of Automatic Identification Techniques fax +48 61 8526376 For other EMC and Safety questions about common products in Poland contact Polish Centre for Testing and Certification in Warsaw: Director of the Centre: tel. +(48-22)-8471071, 8470742, fax -8471222 Director of Testing Department: tel. +(48-22)-8471722, fax -8433209 Best regards. Krzysztof Sieczkarek Laboratory of Automatic Identification Techniques Institute of Logistics and Warehousing Poznan, Poland fax +48 61 8526376 http://www.ilim.poznan.pl/la/index_E.html Richard Woods -- From: Lyons, Jim [SMTP:jim.ly...@gtech.com] Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 10:59 AM To: 'emc-p...@ieee.org' Subject: Poland and CE and Harmonics I need to know the following: 1) Does Poland require or accept a CE declaration for safety, EMC and telecom, either now or in the foreseeable future? 2) Does Poland have a requirement for power line harmonics (i.e. EN61000-3-2)? Thanks for any help on this. Jim James W. Lyons Manager - Product Compliance GTECH Corp. 55 Technology Way West Greenwich, RI 02817 Tel (401) 392-7723 Fax (401) 392-4955 Email jim.ly...@gtech.com --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall, --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall,
