RE: Safety Listing Required in Canada ?
The following US locations have laws requiring Listing for domestic equipment: * Maryland * San Francisco * Los Angeles * Orange County, California I have also heard that Chicago, New York City and some cities located on the west coast (earthquake territory) also have laws, but I cannot verify that. There are laws in each of the Canadian Provinces that require Certified equipment be used or the equipment be accepted by the electrical inspector. But, I understand that the inspectors no longer accept equipment that is not Certified. Richard Woods -- From: Aschenberg, Mat [SMTP:matt.aschenb...@echostar.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 1999 3:04 PM To: 'Art Michael'; emc-p...@ieee.org Cc: Aschenberg, Mat Subject: RE: Safety Listing Required in Canada ? It seems that this only applies to OSHA, which I understand to apply to work places only. Is there a regulation requiring UL type approvals for devices that are for home use only? Mat -Original Message- From: Art Michael [mailto:amich...@connix.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 1999 11:05 AM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Cc: Aschenberg, Mat Subject: RE: Safety Listing Required in Canada ? Hello Mat, Chances are that no one is going to fax this to you due to its size. However, all is not lost ... Just visit the Safety Link www.safetylink.com and search on the term 1910, or, just look for the OSHA acronym in the first section of this site and you will fine one adjacent to 29 CFR 1910. Happy Holidays and Best wishes for a Healthy, Happy, Peaceful and Prosperous New Year! Regards, Art Michael * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * International Product Safety Bookshop * * Check out our current offerings! * * http://www.safetylink.com/bookshop.html * * * * Now offering BSI's Books Reports* * including, World Electricity Supplies * * * * Another service of the Safety Link* * www.safetylink.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * -- On Wed, 22 Dec 1999, Aschenberg, Mat wrote: Does anyone have a copy of the 29CFR Part 1910 Subpart S they can fax me? I need to see this law. Mat -Original Message- From: Ron Pickard/Hypercom/US [mailto:rpick...@hypercom.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 1999 1:51 PM To: emc-p...@ieee.org; t...@world.std.com Subject: Safety Listing Required in Canada ? Hello to all, This is focused to the knowledgeable folks in Canada and to others that might know the answer(s) to this query. In the USA, there exists the federal approval/listing requirements found in 29CFR Part 1910 Subpart S. Does anyone know if there is a similar set of rules requiring safety Listing/Certification in Canada? If so, please identify them, how we can obtain them, and are they available on the web? If there is an absence of this type of regulation, is safety Listing/Certification actually required in Canada? Best regards, Ron Pickard rpick...@hypercom.com - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single
RE: Safety Listing Required in Canada ?
Mat, try website http://www.osha-slc.gov/OshStd_toc/OSHA_Std_toc_1910_SUBPART_S.html If questions, please contact me ASAP. Best Regards,Paul J Smith Teradyne, Inc., 321 Harrison Ave., MS-H64 Boston, MA 02118 paul.j.sm...@teradyne.com Voice 617-422-2997 Fax 603-843-7526, or Fax 617-422-2801 Aschenberg, Mat matt.aschenb...@echostar.com on 12/22/99 12:46:26 PM Please respond to Aschenberg, Mat matt.aschenb...@echostar.com To: 'Ron Pickard/Hypercom/US' rpick...@hypercom.com, emc-p...@ieee.org, t...@world.std.com cc:(bcc: Paul J Smith/Bos/Teradyne) Subject: RE: Safety Listing Required in Canada ? Does anyone have a copy of the 29CFR Part 1910 Subpart S they can fax me? I need to see this law. Mat -Original Message- From: Ron Pickard/Hypercom/US [mailto:rpick...@hypercom.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 1999 1:51 PM To: emc-p...@ieee.org; t...@world.std.com Subject: Safety Listing Required in Canada ? Hello to all, This is focused to the knowledgeable folks in Canada and to others that might know the answer(s) to this query. In the USA, there exists the federal approval/listing requirements found in 29CFR Part 1910 Subpart S. Does anyone know if there is a similar set of rules requiring safety Listing/Certification in Canada? If so, please identify them, how we can obtain them, and are they available on the web? If there is an absence of this type of regulation, is safety Listing/Certification actually required in Canada? Best regards, Ron Pickard rpick...@hypercom.com - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
RE: Safety Listing Required in Canada ?
It seems that this only applies to OSHA, which I understand to apply to work places only. Is there a regulation requiring UL type approvals for devices that are for home use only? Mat -Original Message- From: Art Michael [mailto:amich...@connix.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 1999 11:05 AM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Cc: Aschenberg, Mat Subject: RE: Safety Listing Required in Canada ? Hello Mat, Chances are that no one is going to fax this to you due to its size. However, all is not lost ... Just visit the Safety Link www.safetylink.com and search on the term 1910, or, just look for the OSHA acronym in the first section of this site and you will fine one adjacent to 29 CFR 1910. Happy Holidays and Best wishes for a Healthy, Happy, Peaceful and Prosperous New Year! Regards, Art Michael * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * International Product Safety Bookshop * * Check out our current offerings! * * http://www.safetylink.com/bookshop.html * * * * Now offering BSI's Books Reports* * including, World Electricity Supplies * * * * Another service of the Safety Link* * www.safetylink.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * -- On Wed, 22 Dec 1999, Aschenberg, Mat wrote: Does anyone have a copy of the 29CFR Part 1910 Subpart S they can fax me? I need to see this law. Mat -Original Message- From: Ron Pickard/Hypercom/US [mailto:rpick...@hypercom.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 1999 1:51 PM To: emc-p...@ieee.org; t...@world.std.com Subject: Safety Listing Required in Canada ? Hello to all, This is focused to the knowledgeable folks in Canada and to others that might know the answer(s) to this query. In the USA, there exists the federal approval/listing requirements found in 29CFR Part 1910 Subpart S. Does anyone know if there is a similar set of rules requiring safety Listing/Certification in Canada? If so, please identify them, how we can obtain them, and are they available on the web? If there is an absence of this type of regulation, is safety Listing/Certification actually required in Canada? Best regards, Ron Pickard rpick...@hypercom.com - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
RE: Safety Listing Required in Canada ?
Hi Mat, Why fax it? The 29CFR Part 1910 Subpart S can be found online at: http://www.osha-slc.gov/OshStd_toc/OSHA_Std_toc_1910_SUBPART_S.html Look into 1910.399 to start. Best wishes to you all and I hope you all have a very wonderful holiday season. Best regards, Ron Pickard rpick...@hypercom.com Aschenberg, Mat Matt.Aschenberg@echTo: 'Ron Pickard/Hypercom/US' rpick...@hypercom.com, ostar.com emc-p...@ieee.org, t...@world.std.com cc: 12/22/99 10:46 AM Subject: RE: Safety Listing Required in Canada ? Does anyone have a copy of the 29CFR Part 1910 Subpart S they can fax me? I need to see this law. Mat -Original Message- From: Ron Pickard/Hypercom/US [mailto:rpick...@hypercom.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 1999 1:51 PM To: emc-p...@ieee.org; t...@world.std.com Subject: Safety Listing Required in Canada ? Hello to all, This is focused to the knowledgeable folks in Canada and to others that might know the answer(s) to this query. In the USA, there exists the federal approval/listing requirements found in 29CFR Part 1910 Subpart S. Does anyone know if there is a similar set of rules requiring safety Listing/Certification in Canada? If so, please identify them, how we can obtain them, and are they available on the web? If there is an absence of this type of regulation, is safety Listing/Certification actually required in Canada? Best regards, Ron Pickard rpick...@hypercom.com - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
RE: Safety Listing Required in Canada ?
Hello Mat, Chances are that no one is going to fax this to you due to its size. However, all is not lost ... Just visit the Safety Link www.safetylink.com and search on the term 1910, or, just look for the OSHA acronym in the first section of this site and you will fine one adjacent to 29 CFR 1910. Happy Holidays and Best wishes for a Healthy, Happy, Peaceful and Prosperous New Year! Regards, Art Michael * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * International Product Safety Bookshop * * Check out our current offerings! * * http://www.safetylink.com/bookshop.html * * * * Now offering BSI's Books Reports* * including, World Electricity Supplies * * * * Another service of the Safety Link* * www.safetylink.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * -- On Wed, 22 Dec 1999, Aschenberg, Mat wrote: Does anyone have a copy of the 29CFR Part 1910 Subpart S they can fax me? I need to see this law. Mat -Original Message- From: Ron Pickard/Hypercom/US [mailto:rpick...@hypercom.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 1999 1:51 PM To: emc-p...@ieee.org; t...@world.std.com Subject: Safety Listing Required in Canada ? Hello to all, This is focused to the knowledgeable folks in Canada and to others that might know the answer(s) to this query. In the USA, there exists the federal approval/listing requirements found in 29CFR Part 1910 Subpart S. Does anyone know if there is a similar set of rules requiring safety Listing/Certification in Canada? If so, please identify them, how we can obtain them, and are they available on the web? If there is an absence of this type of regulation, is safety Listing/Certification actually required in Canada? Best regards, Ron Pickard rpick...@hypercom.com - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
RE: Safety Listing Required in Canada ?
Dear Ron, I am not familiar with 29CFR Part 1910 Subpart S. I will provide the following information if these will help in some respect: In Canada as per the CEC (Canadian Electrical Code) under the Section 2, 2-024 [ Used of Approved Equipment] is specified: Electrical equipment used in electrical installations within the jurisdiction of the Inspection department shall be approved and shall be of kind or type and rating approved for the specific purpose for which it is to be employed Since above is used another term approved, we must check the Section 0, Object, Scope and Definitions. APPROVED AS APPLIED TO ELECTRICAL EQUIPMENT means , unless otherwise defined by the authority enforcing this Code, that such equipment has been submitted for examination and testing to an acceptable certification agency, that formal certification has been given by the agency to the effect that the equipment conforms to the appropriate CSA Standards established under the provisions of the Canadian Electrical Code, and that certification report has been adopted by not less than two-thirds of the Provincial/Territorial Inspection Authorities represented on the Committee on the CE Code , Part I. I hope it helps in some respect. Respectfully yours, Constantin Constantin Bolintineanu, P.Eng. Product Safety Engineer DIGITAL SECURITY CONTROLS LTD. 3301 LANGSTAFF Rd. CONCORD, ONTARIO, CANADA, L4K 4L2 Phone: 1-905 760 3000 extension 2568 Fax: 1-905 760 3020 APPROVAL SERVICES E-mail: bolin...@dscltd.com -Original Message- From: Ron Pickard/Hypercom/US [mailto:rpick...@hypercom.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 1999 3:51 PM To: emc-p...@ieee.org; t...@world.std.com Subject: Safety Listing Required in Canada ? Hello to all, This is focused to the knowledgeable folks in Canada and to others that might know the answer(s) to this query. In the USA, there exists the federal approval/listing requirements found in 29CFR Part 1910 Subpart S. Does anyone know if there is a similar set of rules requiring safety Listing/Certification in Canada? If so, please identify them, how we can obtain them, and are they available on the web? If there is an absence of this type of regulation, is safety Listing/Certification actually required in Canada? Best regards, Ron Pickard rpick...@hypercom.com - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
RE: Safety Listing Required in Canada ?
The Canadian mandate for agency approval comes primarily from the Canadian Electrical Code (CEC) rule 2-024: Electrical equipment used in electrical installations within the jurisdiction of the inspection department shall be approved and shall be of a kind or type and rating approved for the specific purpose for which it is to be employed. This is supported by a long definition of approved in Section 0 of the CEC. That definition basically says that the equipment needs to have been certified as conforming to the appropriate CSA standards by an acceptable certification agency. While they do not offer a definition of acceptable certification agency, they do offer a definition for accredited certification organization that points to the Standards Council of Canada (SCC). Under Class 2 circuits in section 16, there is an exception that is frequently used. Rule 16-222 says that most equipment powered from a Class 2 circuit does not need to be approved (it says more than that - read it before assuming you don't need approval). So in a nutshell: Yes approval to the applicable CSA standards, by an SCC-accredited certification organization, is legally required, unless the installation meets rule 16-222. By the way, underneath the CEC are the provincial electrical codes which are legally enforced. For example, in B.C. we have the BC Electrical Safety Act, which is a legal act that gives teeth to the BC Electrical Code which in turn calls out the CEC. Something like that. This pattern is duplicated in each province and territory, so the whole country is covered. You need to know this, because the provinces and territories (total of 13 bodies) may each make subtly different interpretations of what constitutes electrical equipment used in electrical installations within the jurisdiction of the inspection department. The same is true, after a fashion, in the US, but there are thousands of jurisdictions, not just 13. Regards, Jim Eichner Senior Regulatory Compliance Engineer Statpower Technologies Corporation jeich...@statpower.com http://www.statpower.com Any opinions expressed are those of my invisible friend, who really exists, but is powered from a Class 2 circuit so he can be wired with No. 80AWG held to your baseboard by masking tape. -Original Message- From: Ron Pickard/Hypercom/US [SMTP:rpick...@hypercom.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 1999 12:51 PM To: emc-p...@ieee.org; t...@world.std.com Subject: Safety Listing Required in Canada ? Hello to all, This is focused to the knowledgeable folks in Canada and to others that might know the answer(s) to this query. In the USA, there exists the federal approval/listing requirements found in 29CFR Part 1910 Subpart S. Does anyone know if there is a similar set of rules requiring safety Listing/Certification in Canada? If so, please identify them, how we can obtain them, and are they available on the web? If there is an absence of this type of regulation, is safety Listing/Certification actually required in Canada? Best regards, Ron Pickard rpick...@hypercom.com - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
