Re: Surge Applications
There are no ETSI standards dealing with surge on antenna port. The only body that are working on this item is ITU-T sg5 but are only start to study the problem. THis is normally understand not a immunity test but a survival test (resistibility) and I know to different way: one is inject a High pulse current on the shield of cable with al cable long 10 .50 meters, the other is inject a high voltage pulse on the inner of the cable long some meter. Ciao Paolo At 17:24 1/16/02 +, John Woodgate wrote: I read in !emc-pstc that Spencer, David H david.spen...@usa.xerox.com wrote (in 8992668F1C5ED211B4420008C74C364905234D88@USA0200MS1) about 'Surge Applications', on Wed, 16 Jan 2002: Using the following references: IEC 61000-4-5:1995 and EN55024:1998. I have to test a piece of ITE equipment which has an receive antenna (the antenna is connected to the EUT using 50 ohm coaxial cable). Is the EUT's antenna cable subject to surge test per table 2 of EN55024? Note 2 specifies only cables which connect to outdoor cables. This cable does that. Table 2's title is Immunity, signal ports and telecommunications ports I feel that an antenna fits under this category. If so (moving on from EN55024) How do I perform the test? Figures 13 and 14 in IEC61000-4-5 illustrates the test set up for shielded lines. However, there really only seems to be one EUT. I suspect I could consider the antenna as EUT 2 and the actual unit as EUT 1. In that case the testing is relatively straight forward. I consider that to be correct; the antenna is EUT 2. If this all sounds correct, then this is just a sanity check. If I'm incorrect or missed something...could you point me in the right direction. I think what you may have missed is that the IEC61000-4-5 surge test may not be appropriate for application to an antenna port. I would look at some ETSI immunity standards to see what tests are applied to antenna ports. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk After swimming across the Hellespont, I felt like a Hero. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server. -- Paolo Gemma Siemens Information and Communication Network spa Microwave Networks MW RD NSA EMC SS Padana sup. KM 158 20060 Cassina de'Pecchi (MI) Italy phone +39 02 9526 6587fax +39 02 9526 6203 mobile +39 348 3690185 e-mail paolo.ge...@icn.siemens.it --
RE: Surge Applications
Sorry, I forgot to mention that the receiver is also subject to the appropriate ETSI spectrum managment standard. Parameters may include adjacent channel selectivity, blocking and spurious emissions. For example, there are three standards for Short Range Devices: EN300220, EN300330 and EN 300440. There are a large number of other standards that apply to other types of receivers. Good luck! Richard Woods Sensormatic Electronics Tyco International -Original Message- From: WOODS, RICHARD Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 12:49 PM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: RE: Surge Applications David, this may be some bad news for you. Receivers are subject to the the requirements of RTTE Directive (see the note in clause 3.1 of EN55022). Your product may also be subject to the appropriate ETSI EMC standard per clause 3.1 of EN55022. If so, the standards would be EN301489-1 plus the particular part that applies to your product. However, if the particular part does not exist, you would use ETS300683. These standards are available for free download at the ETSI web site. Note that these standards also reference EN 61000-4-5, but you have to follow the levels and acceptance criteria specified in the ETSI standard. Richard Woods Sensormatic Electronics Tyco International -Original Message- From: Spencer, David H [mailto:david.spen...@usa.xerox.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 9:36 AM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: Surge Applications Using the following references: IEC 61000-4-5:1995 and EN55024:1998. I have to test a piece of ITE equipment which has an receive antenna (the antenna is connected to the EUT using 50 ohm coaxial cable). Is the EUT's antenna cable subject to surge test per table 2 of EN55024? Note 2 specifies only cables which connect to outdoor cables. This cable does that. Table 2's title is Immunity, signal ports and telecommunications ports I feel that an antenna fits under this category. If so (moving on from EN55024) How do I perform the test? Figures 13 and 14 in IEC61000-4-5 illustrates the test set up for shielded lines. However, there really only seems to be one EUT. I suspect I could consider the antenna as EUT 2 and the actual unit as EUT 1. In that case the testing is relatively straight forward. If this all sounds correct, then this is just a sanity check. If I'm incorrect or missed something...could you point me in the right direction. Thanks best regards David Spencer --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server.
RE: Surge Applications
David, this may be some bad news for you. Receivers are subject to the the requirements of RTTE Directive (see the note in clause 3.1 of EN55022). Your product may also be subject to the appropriate ETSI EMC standard per clause 3.1 of EN55022. If so, the standards would be EN301489-1 plus the particular part that applies to your product. However, if the particular part does not exist, you would use ETS300683. These standards are available for free download at the ETSI web site. Note that these standards also reference EN 61000-4-5, but you have to follow the levels and acceptance criteria specified in the ETSI standard. Richard Woods Sensormatic Electronics Tyco International -Original Message- From: Spencer, David H [mailto:david.spen...@usa.xerox.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 9:36 AM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: Surge Applications Using the following references: IEC 61000-4-5:1995 and EN55024:1998. I have to test a piece of ITE equipment which has an receive antenna (the antenna is connected to the EUT using 50 ohm coaxial cable). Is the EUT's antenna cable subject to surge test per table 2 of EN55024? Note 2 specifies only cables which connect to outdoor cables. This cable does that. Table 2's title is Immunity, signal ports and telecommunications ports I feel that an antenna fits under this category. If so (moving on from EN55024) How do I perform the test? Figures 13 and 14 in IEC61000-4-5 illustrates the test set up for shielded lines. However, there really only seems to be one EUT. I suspect I could consider the antenna as EUT 2 and the actual unit as EUT 1. In that case the testing is relatively straight forward. If this all sounds correct, then this is just a sanity check. If I'm incorrect or missed something...could you point me in the right direction. Thanks best regards David Spencer --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server.
Re: Surge Applications
I read in !emc-pstc that Spencer, David H david.spen...@usa.xerox.com wrote (in 8992668F1C5ED211B4420008C74C364905234D88@USA0200MS1) about 'Surge Applications', on Wed, 16 Jan 2002: Using the following references: IEC 61000-4-5:1995 and EN55024:1998. I have to test a piece of ITE equipment which has an receive antenna (the antenna is connected to the EUT using 50 ohm coaxial cable). Is the EUT's antenna cable subject to surge test per table 2 of EN55024? Note 2 specifies only cables which connect to outdoor cables. This cable does that. Table 2's title is Immunity, signal ports and telecommunications ports I feel that an antenna fits under this category. If so (moving on from EN55024) How do I perform the test? Figures 13 and 14 in IEC61000-4-5 illustrates the test set up for shielded lines. However, there really only seems to be one EUT. I suspect I could consider the antenna as EUT 2 and the actual unit as EUT 1. In that case the testing is relatively straight forward. I consider that to be correct; the antenna is EUT 2. If this all sounds correct, then this is just a sanity check. If I'm incorrect or missed something...could you point me in the right direction. I think what you may have missed is that the IEC61000-4-5 surge test may not be appropriate for application to an antenna port. I would look at some ETSI immunity standards to see what tests are applied to antenna ports. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk After swimming across the Hellespont, I felt like a Hero. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server.
RE: Surge Applications
Dave, Everything seems reasonable and right to me. I would do it just as you have stated but I have never worked with a system of this sort (RF port and antenna). Dan Kinney Horner APG -Original Message- From: Spencer, David H [SMTP:david.spen...@usa.xerox.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 9:36 AM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: Surge Applications Using the following references: IEC 61000-4-5:1995 and EN55024:1998. I have to test a piece of ITE equipment which has an receive antenna (the antenna is connected to the EUT using 50 ohm coaxial cable). Is the EUT's antenna cable subject to surge test per table 2 of EN55024? Note 2 specifies only cables which connect to outdoor cables. This cable does that. Table 2's title is Immunity, signal ports and telecommunications ports I feel that an antenna fits under this category. If so (moving on from EN55024) How do I perform the test? Figures 13 and 14 in IEC61000-4-5 illustrates the test set up for shielded lines. However, there really only seems to be one EUT. I suspect I could consider the antenna as EUT 2 and the actual unit as EUT 1. In that case the testing is relatively straight forward. If this all sounds correct, then this is just a sanity check. If I'm incorrect or missed something...could you point me in the right direction. Thanks best regards David Spencer --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server.
