Re: Taiwan and China approvals?
Hello Mark, Which statements in particular are you looking for? There are a number of legal documents (a few of the Korean ones are available in English, albeit "unofficial" translations) dealing with certification requirements for both these countries, depending on the type of product in question. Please feel free to contact me off-line to discuss specifics and details. Best Regards, Chun Kim - Original Message - From: Gill, Mark To: Chun Kim ; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 4:19 AM Subject: RE: Taiwan and China approvals? Hello Chun - Could you identify the legal documents from the governments for Korea and China that have these statements? I would be interested in understanding a bit further. Thanks. Regards, Mark F. Gill Sr. Engineer C-MAC Design Corporation, A Solectron Company 4222 Emperor Blvd, Suite 300 RTP, NC 27703 P: (919)-474-3569 markg...@solectron.com -Original Message- From: Chun Kim [mailto:c...@approvalspecialists.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 7:53 PM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: Re: Taiwan and China approvals? Hello Patrick and Group, By 'optical networking type products', I'm assuming your equipment incorporates OC-3 thru OC-192 type interfaces. Korea: Telecom products, including those that incorporate optical interfaces, require telecom type approval and certification by the RRL (Radio Research Laboratory). By definition, telecom type approval requires Telecom, EMC and Safety testing to be performed by an accredited lab (please note all accredited labs reside in Korea, with the exception of the ones accredited by virtue of an MRA - i.e. Canada). Telecom testing on optical interfaces is fairly limited. EMC is essentially the Korean translation of CISPR 22 and CISPR 24 standards. Safety is based on IEC 60950. For purposes of the MIC/RRL certification process, ALL 3 disciplines must be carried out by an accredited lab. IT products not falling under the scope of telecom type approval must still be submitted for EMC testing and approval. Testing is limited to emissions and immunity (standards above) and the same test lab accreditation rules apply. There is a separate safety scheme known as K-Mark, where overseas labs may hold accreditation by virtue of a private (non-government) MoU type arrangement. These are for the most part unrelated to the MIC/RRL schemes. And based on your product description, I don't believe your product falls under the scope of K-Mark certification (unless you include an AC/DC adaptor, which does require K-Mark). China: Optical networking equipment typically falls under the scope of MII (Ministry of Information Industry) administered Network Access License scheme. This is essentially the Chinese type approval process. Local in-country testing is required (including extensive protocol and functional testing) for the NAL procedure. The former CCIB and CCEE safety schemes were recently rolled into one combined process known as the Compulsory Safety Certification Scheme, or CCC Mark. Optical networking products do not typically apply under the CCC. The scope of IT and Telecom equipment is currently limited to products such as : PCs, AC/DC adaptors, Servers, Copiers, Scanners, Phones and Phone Systems, Facsimiles, Modems, DSL Modems, GSM and CDMA handsets and terminals, ISDN Terminals, etc. However, as with Korea, an AC/DC adaptor will require CCC approval. We can provide more detailed requirements, costs and process information if you would like to contact us off-line and forward technical specifications. Best Regards, Chun Kim The Approval Specialists www.approvalspecialists.com - Original Message - From: pfitzgib...@attbi.com To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 12:12 AM Subject: Taiwan and China approvals? Greetings everybody! My boss just asked me what the procedure and timeframe for getting into Korea and China was. (Imagine my distress ;-). For optical networking type products (no TNV ports) where all of our Safety, NEBS and EU (386, 019, 753, etc...) tesing is complete, does anyone know what to submit (and to whom) and how long this might take for China or Korea? more background - Luckily our CB report is from a Korea certified lab, but our emissions and immunity were from non-global (but EU CAB & NRTL status) labs that don't have Korean authorization. I've also done some looking into the new China CCC procedure. We're not specifically addressed in the catalogue. Does this mean we can just import our system? Any help on any of these points would be greatly appreciated! Thanks in advance, Patrick Fitzgibbon ---
RE: Taiwan and China approvals?
Hello Chun - Could you identify the legal documents from the governments for Korea and China that have these statements? I would be interested in understanding a bit further. Thanks. Regards, Mark F. Gill Sr. Engineer C-MAC Design Corporation, A Solectron Company 4222 Emperor Blvd, Suite 300 RTP, NC 27703 P: (919)-474-3569 markg...@solectron.com -Original Message- From: Chun Kim [mailto:c...@approvalspecialists.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 7:53 PM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: Re: Taiwan and China approvals? Hello Patrick and Group, By 'optical networking type products', I'm assuming your equipment incorporates OC-3 thru OC-192 type interfaces. Korea: Telecom products, including those that incorporate optical interfaces, require telecom type approval and certification by the RRL (Radio Research Laboratory). By definition, telecom type approval requires Telecom, EMC and Safety testing to be performed by an accredited lab (please note all accredited labs reside in Korea, with the exception of the ones accredited by virtue of an MRA - i.e. Canada). Telecom testing on optical interfaces is fairly limited. EMC is essentially the Korean translation of CISPR 22 and CISPR 24 standards. Safety is based on IEC 60950. For purposes of the MIC/RRL certification process, ALL 3 disciplines must be carried out by an accredited lab. IT products not falling under the scope of telecom type approval must still be submitted for EMC testing and approval. Testing is limited to emissions and immunity (standards above) and the same test lab accreditation rules apply. There is a separate safety scheme known as K-Mark, where overseas labs may hold accreditation by virtue of a private (non-government) MoU type arrangement. These are for the most part unrelated to the MIC/RRL schemes. And based on your product description, I don't believe your product falls under the scope of K-Mark certification (unless you include an AC/DC adaptor, which does require K-Mark). China: Optical networking equipment typically falls under the scope of MII (Ministry of Information Industry) administered Network Access License scheme. This is essentially the Chinese type approval process. Local in-country testing is required (including extensive protocol and functional testing) for the NAL procedure. The former CCIB and CCEE safety schemes were recently rolled into one combined process known as the Compulsory Safety Certification Scheme, or CCC Mark. Optical networking products do not typically apply under the CCC. The scope of IT and Telecom equipment is currently limited to products such as : PCs, AC/DC adaptors, Servers, Copiers, Scanners, Phones and Phone Systems, Facsimiles, Modems, DSL Modems, GSM and CDMA handsets and terminals, ISDN Terminals, etc. However, as with Korea, an AC/DC adaptor will require CCC approval. We can provide more detailed requirements, costs and process information if you would like to contact us off-line and forward technical specifications. Best Regards, Chun Kim The Approval Specialists www.approvalspecialists.com <http://www.approvalspecialists.com> - Original Message - From: pfitzgib...@attbi.com <mailto:pfitzgib...@attbi.com> To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org <mailto:emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org> Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 12:12 AM Subject: Taiwan and China approvals? Greetings everybody! My boss just asked me what the procedure and timeframe for getting into Korea and China was. (Imagine my distress ;-). For optical networking type products (no TNV ports) where all of our Safety, NEBS and EU (386, 019, 753, etc...) tesing is complete, does anyone know what to submit (and to whom) and how long this might take for China or Korea? more background - Luckily our CB report is from a Korea certified lab, but our emissions and immunity were from non-global (but EU CAB & NRTL status) labs that don't have Korean authorization. I've also done some looking into the new China CCC procedure. We're not specifically addressed in the catalogue. Does this mean we can just import our system? Any help on any of these points would be greatly appreciated! Thanks in advance, Patrick Fitzgibbon --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ <http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/> To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org <mailto:majord...@ieee.org> with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com <mailto:emc-p...@hypercom.com> Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com <mailto:davehe...@attbi.com> For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute:
Re: Taiwan and China approvals?
Patrick, I just came back from China with several China Approvals/Licenses/Certificates for our clients. Hope this reply is not too late. To have a rough idea of what approvals are currently required to access China market, including CCC, NAL/NAI, Type Approval, and Sales Permit, visit http://www.siemic.com/china-approvals.htm Should you have any questions, feel free to contact me off-line. Thanks Leslie pfitzgib...@attbi.com wrote: Greetings everybody! My boss just asked me what the procedure and timeframe for getting into Korea and China was. (Imagine my distress ;-). For optical networking type products (no TNV ports) where all of our Safety, NEBS and EU (386, 019, 753, etc...) tesing is complete, does anyone know what to submit (and to whom) and how long this might take for China or Korea? more background - Luckily our CB report is from a Korea certified lab, but our emissions and immunity were from non-global (but EU CAB & NRTL status) labs that don't have Korean authorization. I've also done some looking into the new China CCC procedure. We're not specifically addressed in the catalogue. Does this mean we can just import our system? Any help on any of these points would be greatly appreciated! Thanks in advance, Patrick Fitzgibbon --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on "browse" and then "emc-pstc mailing list" - Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes
RE: Taiwan and China approvals?
Patrick Hi! Your subject states "Taiwan and China approvals" but your message specifies "Korea and China approvals". I asume it's Korea and China that you ar4e interested in. TUV Rheinland of North America is very helpful in obtaining approvals in the shotest possible time. Please contact TUV Rheinland of North America Inc at any of the two addresses below. Dan Sullivan Division Manager 12 Commerce Road Newtown, CT 06470 Tel: +1 (203) 426-0888 Ext. 121 Cell: (203) 722-5908 Fax: +1 (203) 426-4009 e-mail: dsulli...@us.tuv.com www.tuv.com OR: Jonathan T. Kotrba International Certification Manager 1945 Techny Road, Unit 4 Northbrook, IL 60062 847 562-9888 x32 847 562-0688 -Fax 847 682 8539 -Mobile Number e-mail: jkot...@us.tuv.com www.tuv.com Based on my experience: Korea: RRL EMC Registration is required. This is mandatory and requires EMI/EMS testing which is almost same as CE-EMC Directive. You must have a local representative, otherwise certification cannot be done. Be prepared to translate the manual (simplified version) to Korean. China: Check to see if you fall under the Compulsary Certification. If so, safety and emc testing must be conducted on Chinese soil. A CB Test report with CB Test Certificate is accepted.. Be prepared to translate the manual (simplified version) to Chinese and your factory(ies) audited by the Chinese authorities. Note: You may find that you are not in the catalogue and get stuck by Chinese customs because they will claim you have not classified the equipment correctly. Best to get a professional look at this and even better is to get a letter from the Chinese authoritries themselves. Again, for worldwide approvals TUV Rheinland would be of most help. Refer to their worldwide approvals website http://www.int-app.tuv.com/. However, a simple telephone call to any of the above persons will lead you a long way. This e-mail message may contain privileged or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not disclose, use, disseminate, distribute, copy or rely upon this message or attachment in any way. If you received this e-mail message in error, please return by forwarding the message and its attachments to the sender. PETER S. MERGUERIAN Technical Director I.T.L. (Product Testing) Ltd. 26 Hacharoshet St., POB 211 Or Yehuda 60251, Israel Tel: + 972-(0)3-5339022 Fax: + 972-(0)3-5339019 Mobile: + 972-(0)54-838175 http://www.itl.co.il http://www.i-spec.com -Original Message- From: pfitzgib...@attbi.com [mailto:pfitzgib...@attbi.com] Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 4:12 PM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: Taiwan and China approvals? Greetings everybody! My boss just asked me what the procedure and timeframe for getting into Korea and China was. (Imagine my distress ;-). For optical networking type products (no TNV ports) where all of our Safety, NEBS and EU (386, 019, 753, etc...) tesing is complete, does anyone know what to submit (and to whom) and how long this might take for China or Korea? more background - Luckily our CB report is from a Korea certified lab, but our emissions and immunity were from non-global (but EU CAB & NRTL status) labs that don't have Korean authorization. I've also done some looking into the new China CCC procedure. We're not specifically addressed in the catalogue. Does this mean we can just import our system? Any help on any of these points would be greatly appreciated! Thanks in advance, Patrick Fitzgibbon --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on "browse" and then "emc-pstc mailing list" --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/
Re: Taiwan and China approvals?
Hello Patrick and Group, By 'optical networking type products', I'm assuming your equipment incorporates OC-3 thru OC-192 type interfaces. Korea: Telecom products, including those that incorporate optical interfaces, require telecom type approval and certification by the RRL (Radio Research Laboratory). By definition, telecom type approval requires Telecom, EMC and Safety testing to be performed by an accredited lab (please note all accredited labs reside in Korea, with the exception of the ones accredited by virtue of an MRA - i.e. Canada). Telecom testing on optical interfaces is fairly limited. EMC is essentially the Korean translation of CISPR 22 and CISPR 24 standards. Safety is based on IEC 60950. For purposes of the MIC/RRL certification process, ALL 3 disciplines must be carried out by an accredited lab. IT products not falling under the scope of telecom type approval must still be submitted for EMC testing and approval. Testing is limited to emissions and immunity (standards above) and the same test lab accreditation rules apply. There is a separate safety scheme known as K-Mark, where overseas labs may hold accreditation by virtue of a private (non-government) MoU type arrangement. These are for the most part unrelated to the MIC/RRL schemes. And based on your product description, I don't believe your product falls under the scope of K-Mark certification (unless you include an AC/DC adaptor, which does require K-Mark). China: Optical networking equipment typically falls under the scope of MII (Ministry of Information Industry) administered Network Access License scheme. This is essentially the Chinese type approval process. Local in-country testing is required (including extensive protocol and functional testing) for the NAL procedure. The former CCIB and CCEE safety schemes were recently rolled into one combined process known as the Compulsory Safety Certification Scheme, or CCC Mark. Optical networking products do not typically apply under the CCC. The scope of IT and Telecom equipment is currently limited to products such as : PCs, AC/DC adaptors, Servers, Copiers, Scanners, Phones and Phone Systems, Facsimiles, Modems, DSL Modems, GSM and CDMA handsets and terminals, ISDN Terminals, etc. However, as with Korea, an AC/DC adaptor will require CCC approval. We can provide more detailed requirements, costs and process information if you would like to contact us off-line and forward technical specifications. Best Regards, Chun Kim The Approval Specialists www.approvalspecialists.com - Original Message - From: pfitzgib...@attbi.com To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 12:12 AM Subject: Taiwan and China approvals? Greetings everybody! My boss just asked me what the procedure and timeframe for getting into Korea and China was. (Imagine my distress ;-). For optical networking type products (no TNV ports) where all of our Safety, NEBS and EU (386, 019, 753, etc...) tesing is complete, does anyone know what to submit (and to whom) and how long this might take for China or Korea? more background - Luckily our CB report is from a Korea certified lab, but our emissions and immunity were from non-global (but EU CAB & NRTL status) labs that don't have Korean authorization. I've also done some looking into the new China CCC procedure. We're not specifically addressed in the catalogue. Does this mean we can just import our system? Any help on any of these points would be greatly appreciated! Thanks in advance, Patrick Fitzgibbon --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on "browse" and then "emc-pstc mailing list"
RE: Taiwan and China approvals?
Patrick, The process to get a product into China is pretty complicated. We are a consultative agency with CCIB which allows us to short cut some of the bureaucratic issues. The short answer is that if your product is on the list of products that are required to have certification (and it looks like it is), then the time frame is 8-10 weeks from start to finish. If you have some specific questions, I would be happy to answer them off-line. Best regards, Jim Seippel mailto:jseip...@esimcom.com Director of Engineering Development & Technical Support SIMCOM International Holdings, Inc. -Original Message- From: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org [mailto:owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org] On Behalf Of pfitzgib...@attbi.com Sent: August 19, 2002 9:12 AM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: Taiwan and China approvals? Greetings everybody! My boss just asked me what the procedure and timeframe for getting into Korea and China was. (Imagine my distress ;-). For optical networking type products (no TNV ports) where all of our Safety, NEBS and EU (386, 019, 753, etc...) tesing is complete, does anyone know what to submit (and to whom) and how long this might take for China or Korea? more background - Luckily our CB report is from a Korea certified lab, but our emissions and immunity were from non-global (but EU CAB & NRTL status) labs that don't have Korean authorization. I've also done some looking into the new China CCC procedure. We're not specifically addressed in the catalogue. Does this mean we can just import our system? Any help on any of these points would be greatly appreciated! Thanks in advance, Patrick Fitzgibbon --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on "browse" and then "emc-pstc mailing list" --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on "browse" and then "emc-pstc mailing list"
