Re: WEEE statements in user manuals?

[John Woodgate]

In message <496f8d24.5050...@ptcnh.net>, dated Thu, 15 Jan 2009, Scott 
Douglas  writes:

>So that's kind of like design validation by the customer, right? Build 
>it, ship it, let the customer figure out what works and how? I know a 
>few companies that work like that, why not the EU Commission?

Because those companies can't put you in jail if you figure wrongly, you 
just get the BSOD. (;-)
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Re: WEEE statements in user manuals?

[Scott Douglas]

So that's kind of like design validation by the customer, right? Build 
it, ship it, let the customer figure out what works and how? I know a 
few companies that work like that, why not the EU Commission?

Scott Douglas

John Woodgate wrote:
> In message 
> , 
> dated Thu, 15 Jan 2009, Daniel Roman  writes:
>
>> And while the Directive applies to household and professional 
>> equipment, Article 10 states in part ?Member States shall ensure that 
>> users of electrical and electronic equipment in private households 
>> are given the necessary information&? so does that mean B2B or 
>> professional equipment does not require user instructions because it 
>> is assumed non-household users will already know the proper way to 
>> recycle the equipment?
>
> Not uniquely, the WEEE Directive is a mess at the detail level. So 
> don't ask!
>
> This mess in accordance with the Commission policy of introducing 
> Directives half-baked, if they can't be fully-baked within some 
> arbitrary time-scale, and sorting out the problems later - a policy 
> that used to exasperate M Thatcher.
>
> The Automotive Products Directive is another example.

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RE: WEEE statements in user manuals?

[James, Chris]

A business should be cognizant of it’s legal obligation regarding the
disposal of all its waste so yes. For WEEE they may have taken on the
obligation for disposal when they purchased the EEE or they may have retained
the right to take-back by the supplier. 

 

 



From: Daniel Roman [mailto:dan.ro...@dialogic.com] 
Sent: 15 January 2009 17:45
To: James, Chris; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: RE: WEEE statements in user manuals?

 

And while the Directive applies to household and professional equipment,
Article 10 states in part “Member States shall ensure that users of
electrical and electronic equipment in private households are given the
necessary information…” so does that mean B2B or professional equipment
does not require user instructions because it is assumed non-household users
will already know the proper way to recycle the equipment?

 

Dan

 

From: James, Chris [mailto:c...@dolby.co.uk] 
Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 12:08 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] WEEE statements in user manuals?

 

The implementation of the directive is down to the “producer” within the
individual member state in accordance with member state legislation. Article
10 of the directive is the base requirement
http://www.epeat.net/Docs/EU%20WEEE%20Directive.pdf

 

 

Some mfrs whether or not they have legal entities within members states may
have taken a “view” to print a standard multi-lingual WEEE “statement”
in the user manual as a cover-all.

 

  

 

Chris 



From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Dave Heald
Sent: 15 January 2009 16:48
To: emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject: WEEE statements in user manuals?

 

All,

  I've seen various implementations of WEEE statements in user manuals.

Some contain 20+ language translations of a short statement regarding how to
recycle your product, while others have just a passing mention in a single
language (I presume the entire manual is translated in this case but haven't
had the necessary time to research this).

 

I admit that it's entirely possible that I overlooked a requirement in the
directive, but can anyone provide insight into why certain companies feel that
it is necessary to include the 20+ translations in print?

 

This has puzzled me for a while and I am trying to resolve the issue.

 

Thanks in advance!

-Dave Heald

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Re: WEEE statements in user manuals?

[John Woodgate]

In message 
, dated 
Thu, 15 Jan 2009, Daniel Roman  writes:

>And while the Directive applies to household and professional 
>equipment, Article 10 states in part ?Member States shall ensure that 
>users of electrical and electronic equipment in private households are 
>given the necessary information&? so does that mean B2B or professional 
>equipment does not require user instructions because it is assumed 
>non-household users will already know the proper way to recycle the 
>equipment?

Not uniquely, the WEEE Directive is a mess at the detail level. So don't 
ask!

This mess in accordance with the Commission policy of introducing 
Directives half-baked, if they can't be fully-baked within some 
arbitrary time-scale, and sorting out the problems later - a policy that 
used to exasperate M Thatcher.

The Automotive Products Directive is another example.
-- 
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Things can always get better. But that's not the only option.
John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK

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RE: WEEE statements in user manuals?

[Daniel Roman]

And while the Directive applies to household and professional equipment,
Article 10 states in part “Member States shall ensure that users of
electrical and electronic equipment in private households are given the
necessary information…” so does that mean B2B or professional equipment
does not require user instructions because it is assumed non-household users
will already know the proper way to recycle the equipment?

 

Dan

 

From: James, Chris [mailto:c...@dolby.co.uk] 
Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 12:08 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] WEEE statements in user manuals?

 

The implementation of the directive is down to the “producer” within the
individual member state in accordance with member state legislation. Article
10 of the directive is the base requirement
http://www.epeat.net/Docs/EU%20WEEE%20Directive.pdf

 

 

Some mfrs whether or not they have legal entities within members states may
have taken a “view” to print a standard multi-lingual WEEE “statement”
in the user manual as a cover-all.

 

  

 

Chris 



From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Dave Heald
Sent: 15 January 2009 16:48
To: emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject: WEEE statements in user manuals?

 

All,

  I've seen various implementations of WEEE statements in user manuals.

Some contain 20+ language translations of a short statement regarding how to
recycle your product, while others have just a passing mention in a single
language (I presume the entire manual is translated in this case but haven't
had the necessary time to research this).

 

I admit that it's entirely possible that I overlooked a requirement in the
directive, but can anyone provide insight into why certain companies feel that
it is necessary to include the 20+ translations in print?

 

This has puzzled me for a while and I am trying to resolve the issue.

 

Thanks in advance!

-Dave Heald

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Re: WEEE statements in user manuals?

[Lauren_Crane]

Certainly the multi-lingual approach is in line with explicit criteria other
directives and regulations such as RTTE, MD, REACH, CLP where communication to
an end user in a Member State is envisioned. 

In WEEE Art 10.4 Member States appear to be given the possibility of laying
down criteria for how producers/distributors convey info to recipients. So
each MS implementation of WEEE might speak to this point separately rather
than it appearing in the directive to the MS (i.e. the base directive). 


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Corporate Product EHS Lead
Applied Materials Inc.
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All, 
  I've seen various implementations of WEEE statements in user manuals. 
Some contain 20+ language translations of a short statement regarding how to
recycle your product, while others have just a passing mention in a single
language (I presume the entire manual is translated in this case but haven't
had the necessary time to research this). 
  
I admit that it's entirely possible that I overlooked a requirement in the
directive, but can anyone provide insight into why certain companies feel that
it is necessary to include the 20+ translations in print? 
  
This has puzzled me for a while and I am trying to resolve the issue. 
  
Thanks in advance! 
-Dave Heald 
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RE: WEEE statements in user manuals?

[James, Chris]

The implementation of the directive is down to the “producer” within the
individual member state in accordance with member state legislation. Article
10 of the directive is the base requirement
http://www.epeat.net/Docs/EU%20WEEE%20Directive.pdf

 

 

Some mfrs whether or not they have legal entities within members states may
have taken a “view” to print a standard multi-lingual WEEE “statement”
in the user manual as a cover-all.

 

  

 

Chris 



From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Dave Heald
Sent: 15 January 2009 16:48
To: emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject: WEEE statements in user manuals?

 

All,

  I've seen various implementations of WEEE statements in user manuals.

Some contain 20+ language translations of a short statement regarding how to
recycle your product, while others have just a passing mention in a single
language (I presume the entire manual is translated in this case but haven't
had the necessary time to research this).

 

I admit that it's entirely possible that I overlooked a requirement in the
directive, but can anyone provide insight into why certain companies feel that
it is necessary to include the 20+ translations in print?

 

This has puzzled me for a while and I am trying to resolve the issue.

 

Thanks in advance!

-Dave Heald

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RE: WEEE statements in user manuals?

[Barker, Neil]

David
 
There may be a number of reasons for this:-
 
1. To ensure that the disposal instructions can be understood in the countries
in which the product is marketed.
 
2. To include different contact details for the compliance schemes that the
manufacturer may belong in each of the different countries.
 
A great deal will depend on whether you are talking about consumer products or
business-to-business (B2B) products. The issue for the manufacturer is that
although he is responsible for disposal at end of life, he cannot actually
undertake that disposal unless he has a waste management licence, so needs to
have an appropriate waste management scheme established to fulfil his
responsibility.
 
Best regards
 

Neil Barker

Manager

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Subject: WEEE statements in user manuals?


All,
  I've seen various implementations of WEEE statements in user manuals.
Some contain 20+ language translations of a short statement regarding how to
recycle your product, while others have just a passing mention in a single
language (I presume the entire manual is translated in this case but haven't
had the necessary time to research this).
 
I admit that it's entirely possible that I overlooked a requirement in the
directive, but can anyone provide insight into why certain companies feel that
it is necessary to include the 20+ translations in print?
 
This has puzzled me for a while and I am trying to resolve the issue.
 
Thanks in advance!
-Dave Heald
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