Re: [PSES] CISPR 32
Hi David,
I believe 'Wired Network Ports' are cables like Ethernet etc, that are over 3m
in length when used. There is also fibre-optic leads with metal shield and
antenna ports.
My opinion is HDMI and RS-232 cables would fall outside that scope for
Conducted Emissions testing for CISPR 32, as they are Signal and Control cables
respectively.
Rob.
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CISPR 32 defines analogue/digital data port as signal/control port (3.1.30),
antenna port (3.1.3), wired network port (3.1.32), broadcast receiver tuner
port (3.1.8), or optical fibre port (3.1.25) with metallic shielding and/or
metallic strain relief member(s).
Definition 3.1.30 signal/control port: port intended for the interconnection of
components of an EUT, or between an EUT and local AE and used in accordance
with relevant functional specifications (for example for the maximum length of
cable connected to it). Note 1 to entry: Examples include RS-232, Universal
Serial Bus (USB), High-Definition Multimedia Interface (HDMI), IEEE Standard
1394 ("Fire Wire").
Tables A.11, A.12, A.13 do not mention signal/control ports.
Does this mean that HDMI cables or RS-232 cables are exempt from conducted
emissions test?.
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Re: [PSES] CISPR 32 adoption
Maybe I'm missing something, and I'm certainly no statistician, but on page 11, it states, A manufacturer, knowing the typical standard deviation of RFI measurements on his products, can – using the 80%/80% rule - estimate the required margin to the limit already with a single prototype. Without performing RFI measurements on a reasonable large sample of product, how could a manufacture determine the standard deviation? Without that number, the application of the 80/80 rule seems to have little usefulness. ___ Ralph McDiarmid | Schneider Electric | Solar Business | CANADA | Regulatory Compliance Engineering From: John Woodgate j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG, Date: 01/17/2015 10:12 AM Subject: Re: [PSES] CISPR 32 adoption In message 000a01d0327b$23017a50$69046ef0$@ieee.org, dated Sat, 17 Jan 2015, Richard Nute ri...@ieee.org writes: Thank you for getting your access fixed and for providing the paper. I suspect many do not know about Frank's statistical calculations. -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. With best wishes. See www.jmwa.demon.co.uk When I turn my back on the sun, it's to look for a rainbow John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas sdoug...@ieee.org Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com __ This email has been scanned by the Symantec Email Security.cloud service. __ - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas sdoug...@ieee.org Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] CISPR 32 adoption
In message OF632FC821.D7AF2A0F-ON88257DF2.00726988-88257DF2.007367B6@US.Schneider-E lectric.com, dated Fri, 20 Feb 2015, ralph.mcdiar...@schneider-electric.com writes: A manufacturer, knowing the typical standard deviation of RFI measurements on his products, can – using the 80%/80% rule - estimate the required margin to the limit already with a single prototype. Without performing RFI measurements on a reasonable large sample of product, how could a manufacture determine the standard deviation? Without that number, the application of the 80/80 rule seems to have little usefulness. The answer is in the text you quoted; 'A manufacturer, knowing the *typical* standard deviation of RFI measurements on his products..'. For example, if you have been making refrigerators for a few years, you know that the SD is about, say, 4 dB. Unless your new refrigerator is of totally different design, it too, will show an SD of about 4 dB. -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. With best wishes. See www.jmwa.demon.co.uk When I turn my back on the sun, it's to look for a rainbow John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas sdoug...@ieee.org Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] CISPR 32 adoption
In message 000a01d0327b$23017a50$69046ef0$@ieee.org, dated Sat, 17 Jan 2015, Richard Nute ri...@ieee.org writes: Thank you for getting your access fixed and for providing the paper. I suspect many do not know about Frank's statistical calculations. -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. With best wishes. See www.jmwa.demon.co.uk When I turn my back on the sun, it's to look for a rainbow John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas sdoug...@ieee.org Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] CISPR 32 adoption
In message 003701d031c0$75888ef0$6099acd0$@ieee.org, dated Fri, 16 Jan 2015, Richard Nute ri...@ieee.org writes: For attachments, see instructions below the dotted line. After I was advised to contact Thomas Smith at IEEE, he has fixed the problem with my access. The paper on the 80/80 rule is at: http://oc.ieee.org/usercontent/1/2/298710001/2/Illustrations%2Bto%2B80-8 0%2Brule_2014-12-01.pdf I did test the URL and it worked for me. Thanks to Frank Deter for making the paper available. -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. With best wishes. See www.jmwa.demon.co.uk When I turn my back on the sun, it's to look for a rainbow John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas sdoug...@ieee.org Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] CISPR 32 adoption
Hi John: Thank you for getting your access fixed and for providing the paper. Best regards, Rich - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas sdoug...@ieee.org Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] CISPR 32 adoption
For attachments, see instructions below the dotted line. Alternatively, use Dropbox and send the URL. Or? -Original Message- From: John Woodgate [mailto:j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 10:53 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] CISPR 32 adoption But how can I make a PDF available to the list? If there is no way, I will put it on my web site. -- -- This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas sdoug...@ieee.org Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas sdoug...@ieee.org Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] CISPR 32 adoption
In message 003701d031c0$75888ef0$6099acd0$@ieee.org, dated Fri, 16 Jan 2015, Richard Nute ri...@ieee.org writes: For attachments, see instructions below the dotted line. DOH! As is **far too often the case with the IEEE web**, the site http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ claims that my account is suspended and the link to contact IEEE to complain does not work; it just refers back to the Error page. I have never found a link to complain about being rejected that works for me. What has the IEEE got against me? Alternatively, use Dropbox and send the URL. I don't like Dropbox for security. -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. With best wishes. See www.jmwa.demon.co.uk When I turn my back on the sun, it's to look for a rainbow John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas sdoug...@ieee.org Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] CISPR 32 adoption
Which is why some never bother to renew IEEE membership. After several years of membership, the IEEE 'lost' my data, yet still seems able to retain enough of my personal info to send email and snail mail about re-join. Maroons. Brian -Original Message- From: John Woodgate [mailto:j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk] Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 12:07 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] CISPR 32 adoption In message 003701d031c0$75888ef0$6099acd0$@ieee.org, dated Fri, 16 Jan 2015, Richard Nute ri...@ieee.org writes: For attachments, see instructions below the dotted line. DOH! As is **far too often the case with the IEEE web**, the site http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ claims that my account is suspended and the link to contact IEEE to complain does not work; it just refers back to the Error page. I have never found a link to complain about being rejected that works for me. What has the IEEE got against me? Alternatively, use Dropbox and send the URL. I don't like Dropbox for security. -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. With best wishes. See www.jmwa.demon.co.uk When I turn my back on the sun, it's to look for a rainbow John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas sdoug...@ieee.org Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas sdoug...@ieee.org Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] CISPR 32 adoption
In message gbytugwq6esuf...@jmwa.demon.co.uk, dated Fri, 9 Jan 2015, John Woodgate j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk writes: There is a very good PPT about this, a submission to a standards committee. I will ask the author if it can be redacted and released. I probably won't get an answer before Monday, of course. As I suspected, my friend Frank will co-operate. But how can I make a PDF available to the list? If there is no way, I will put it on my web site. -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. With best wishes. See www.jmwa.demon.co.uk When I turn my back on the sun, it's to look for a rainbow John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas sdoug...@ieee.org Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] CISPR 32 adoption
In message blupr02mb1166654cdc4de94b06d613bc1...@blupr02mb116.namprd02.prod.outlook .com, dated Fri, 9 Jan 2015, Brian Oconnell oconne...@tamuracorp.com writes: As an EMC amateur, have believed that '80/80' rule is about production variations, so that an emissions failure on a single unit cannot be necessarily considered an issue (until further batch investigation). Correct; that's how it has been for the last several decades. So are you saying that they want to also codify the site's measurement and other uncertainties into the mix to enforce a margin that is more stringent than the standard's limits such that a single field failure would represent a regulatory violation/legal problem ? No; the legal eagles say that the Directive requires that EVERY marketed unit meet the Essential Requirements (ERs); they can't say 'meet the standard' because using standards isn't compulsory. So the subject becomes multi-faceted: - can a product meet the ERs without meeting the standard? - were the limits in the standards set, taking into account that the 80/80 rule 'lets through' some few non-compliant units (the proportion can be calculated)? - should the way the 80/80 rule is applied be changed so that manufacturers can't evade the issue by repeatedly challenging the authority's tests? - should the 80/80 rule just be moved into the Directive, or into the protocol manuals the market surveillance authorities use? If 100% conformity to the standard were required, every unit would have to go through the whole standard test procedure, at immense cost, of course. There is a very good PPT about this, a submission to a standards committee. I will ask the author if it can be redacted and released. I probably won't get an answer before Monday, of course. -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. With best wishes. See www.jmwa.demon.co.uk When I turn my back on the sun, it's to look for a rainbow John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas sdoug...@ieee.org Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] CISPR 32 adoption
In message blupr02mb1162390c6fb353ca7ba2677c1...@blupr02mb116.namprd02.prod.outlook .com, dated Fri, 9 Jan 2015, Brian Oconnell oconne...@tamuracorp.com writes: 2d ed of CISPR32 just published as FDIS, with a proposed publication date of March 2015. It still might not pass the vote. CENELEC is having palpitations about the EC ruling that the 80/80 rule is regulatory. Now try to explain to a lawyer that the Laws of Physics require it to be taken into account somewhere, and if it is regulatory it should be in the Directive. As the FCC (47CFR) references ANSI C63.4, and EU obsoletion of CISPR22/EN55022 seems to be years away (new EMCD not effective until April 2016), The new EMCD has nothing to do with when EN 55032 comes into mandatory effect. so will probably advise customers to not worry for at least three years. The risk is that Canada ICES003 will not continue with C63.4, and/or the Pacific rim states will go to CISPR 32 more sooner than later. Opinions ? Assumptions reasonable? Any country that applies CISPR 32 (not the EN) to imports stands to have it applied to its exports. -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. With best wishes. See www.jmwa.demon.co.uk When I turn my back on the sun, it's to look for a rainbow John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas sdoug...@ieee.org Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] CISPR 32 adoption
As an EMC amateur, have believed that '80/80' rule is about production variations, so that an emissions failure on a single unit cannot be necessarily considered an issue (until further batch investigation). So are you saying that they want to also codify the site's measurement and other uncertainties into the mix to enforce a margin that is more stringent than the standard's limits such that a single field failure would represent a regulatory violation/legal problem ? Brian -Original Message- From: John Woodgate [mailto:j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk] Sent: Friday, January 09, 2015 12:21 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] CISPR 32 adoption In message blupr02mb1162390c6fb353ca7ba2677c1...@blupr02mb116.namprd02.prod.outlook .com, dated Fri, 9 Jan 2015, Brian Oconnell oconne...@tamuracorp.com writes: 2d ed of CISPR32 just published as FDIS, with a proposed publication date of March 2015. It still might not pass the vote. CENELEC is having palpitations about the EC ruling that the 80/80 rule is regulatory. Now try to explain to a lawyer that the Laws of Physics require it to be taken into account somewhere, and if it is regulatory it should be in the Directive. As the FCC (47CFR) references ANSI C63.4, and EU obsoletion of CISPR22/EN55022 seems to be years away (new EMCD not effective until April 2016), The new EMCD has nothing to do with when EN 55032 comes into mandatory effect. so will probably advise customers to not worry for at least three years. The risk is that Canada ICES003 will not continue with C63.4, and/or the Pacific rim states will go to CISPR 32 more sooner than later. Opinions ? Assumptions reasonable? Any country that applies CISPR 32 (not the EN) to imports stands to have it applied to its exports. -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. With best wishes. See www.jmwa.demon.co.uk When I turn my back on the sun, it's to look for a rainbow John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas sdoug...@ieee.org Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] CISPR 32, colour bar with moving element (ITU-R BT.1729)
Hi Tom, I just found your posting of the ITU-R BT.1729 colour bar test pattern. This is great! Does this fully implement the ITU-R BT.1729 colour bar test pattern? ** BOUNCING BALL: I couldn't find anything in the standard that mentions a bouncing ball, but I like the feature and one could argue that this might catch some problems missed without it. ** ZONE 12 MOVING BAR: Page 6 of the standard states that Zone 12 contains a bar which moves horizontally from left to right and then starts again from the left. This is used for checking audio-video synchronization and to establish that the channel is active. The bar travels horizontally across its zone in 1 s. The audio sync signal is given when the bar passes the centreline. There is more description to the zone 12 in the standard, but the above quote is sufficient to say that I don't see anything moving in zone 12 of your application. Do you have plans to fix the zone 12? I am definitely looking for something I can use to test monitors for CISPR32 using the ITU-R BT.1729 colour bar test pattern. For all, the ITU-R BT.1729 standard is available online for free at: http://www.itu.int/dms_pubrec/itu-r/rec/bt/R-REC-BT.1729-0-200504-I!!PDF-E.pdf Thanks. Monrad http://www.oracle.com On 4/5/2014 1:51 AM, T.Sato wrote: Hello, We used to use scrolling-Hs test pattern for CISPR 22 and ANSI C63.4, but CISPR 32 requires ITU-R BT.1729 colour bar with small moving element for computer displays and similar devices. Now, I made web pages which will display the test pattern on web browsers. If you are interested, please try it, at: http://homepage3.nifty.com/tsato/scrolling-h/colorbar.html Regards, Tom - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] CISPR 32, colour bar with moving element (ITU-R BT.1729)
CISPR 32 requires the color bars with a moving element. What that moving element is isn't nailed down in the standard. The reason for the moving element is that we (CISPR SC I) are trying to harmonize CISPR 32 (emissions) and CISPR 35 (immunity) to the maximum extent possible. You need a moving element for immunity so you know that the image is no longer being updated if you fail an immunity test. A static image would not give you that information. Ghery S. Pettit From: monrad monsen [mailto:monrad.mon...@oracle.com] Sent: Friday, June 06, 2014 12:03 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] CISPR 32, colour bar with moving element (ITU-R BT.1729) Hi Tom, I just found your posting of the ITU-R BT.1729 colour bar test pattern. This is great! Does this fully implement the ITU-R BT.1729 colour bar test pattern? ** BOUNCING BALL: I couldn't find anything in the standard that mentions a bouncing ball, but I like the feature and one could argue that this might catch some problems missed without it. ** ZONE 12 MOVING BAR: Page 6 of the standard states that Zone 12 contains a bar which moves horizontally from left to right and then starts again from the left. This is used for checking audio-video synchronization and to establish that the channel is active. The bar travels horizontally across its zone in 1 s. The audio sync signal is given when the bar passes the centreline. There is more description to the zone 12 in the standard, but the above quote is sufficient to say that I don't see anything moving in zone 12 of your application. Do you have plans to fix the zone 12? I am definitely looking for something I can use to test monitors for CISPR32 using the ITU-R BT.1729 colour bar test pattern. For all, the ITU-R BT.1729 standard is available online for free at: http://www.itu.int/dms_pubrec/itu-r/rec/bt/R-REC-BT.1729-0-200504-I!!PDF-E.pdf Thanks. Monrad On 4/5/2014 1:51 AM, T.Sato wrote: Hello, We used to use scrolling-Hs test pattern for CISPR 22 and ANSI C63.4, but CISPR 32 requires ITU-R BT.1729 colour bar with small moving element for computer displays and similar devices. Now, I made web pages which will display the test pattern on web browsers. If you are interested, please try it, at: http://homepage3.nifty.com/tsato/scrolling-h/colorbar.html Regards, Tom - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.orgmailto:emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe)http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.netmailto:emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.orgmailto:mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.orgmailto:j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.commailto:dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] CISPR 32, colour bar with moving element (ITU-R BT.1729)
On Fri, 6 Jun 2014 13:03:18 -0600, monrad monsen monrad.mon...@oracle.com wrote: I just found your posting of the ITU-R BT.1729 colour bar test pattern. This is great! Does this fully implement the ITU-R BT.1729 colour bar test pattern? No, as I wrote These colorbars (test patterns) were derived from ITU-R BT.1729, but they are not accurate. in the BUGS section of the page. Especially, frequency and waveform of color sweeps are incorrect. left to right and then starts again from the left. This is used for checking audio-video synchronization and to establish that the channel is active. The bar travels horizontally across its zone in 1 s. The audio sync signal is given when the bar passes the centreline. There is more description to the zone 12 in the standard, but the above quote is sufficient to say that I don't see anything moving in zone 12 of your application. Do you have plans to fix the zone 12? No at least at this time, and I thought this Zone 12 is not important for CISPR 32/35, as we usually use 1 kHz monotone audio signal and will not check audio-video sync. However, I would appreciate if someone can help improve this test program, expecially those test patterns. Regards, Tom -- Tomonori Sato vef00...@nifty.ne.jp URL: http://homepage3.nifty.com/tsato/ On 4/5/2014 1:51 AM, T.Sato wrote: Hello, We used to use scrolling-Hs test pattern for CISPR 22 and ANSI C63.4, but CISPR 32 requires ITU-R BT.1729 colour bar with small moving element for computer displays and similar devices. Now, I made web pages which will display the test pattern on web browsers. If you are interested, please try it, at: http://homepage3.nifty.com/tsato/scrolling-h/colorbar.html Regards, Tom - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] CISPR 32/ CISPR 35
CISPR 32 ultimately will replace CISPR 13 and CISPR 22. CISPR 35 doesn't yet exist, the vote on the FDIS failed in March. It will likely be a couple years before we get it straightened out. But, when it is finally published it will replace CISPR 20 and CISPR 24. Ghery S. Pettit From: itl-emc user group [mailto:itl...@itl.co.il] Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2014 9:10 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] FW: CISPR 32/ CISPR 35 HI, Just want a clarification. Do CISPR 32 and CISPR 35 replace CISPR 13 and CISPR 22; CISPR 20 and CISPR 24 respectively? Or are they for Multimedia Equipment only? Regards, David Shidlowsky | Technical Writer Address 1 Bat-Sheva St. POB 87, LOD 71100 Israel Tel 972-8-9186113 Fax 972-8-9153101 Mail e...@itl.co.il/dav...@itl.co.ilmailto:e...@itl.co.il/dav...@itl.co.il Web www.itl.co.ilhttp://www.itl.co.il/ Fill out Customer Satisfaction Surveyhttp://app.sqm.co.il/SitePages/Questionnaire.aspx Global Certifications You Can Trust - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.orgmailto:emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe)http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.netmailto:emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.orgmailto:mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.orgmailto:j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.commailto:dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] CISPR 32, colour bar with moving element
On Mon, 7 Apr 2014 13:15:08 +, Paasche, Dieter dieter.paas...@christiedigital.com wrote: Are there any news about what is FCC going to do? As it stand right now (and I do have an official answer) H patterns are required by the FCC. Which means by some international companies double testing, one with H patterns and one with color bar. ANSI C63.4-2009 requires scrolling H, and FCC is under way to transition from ANSI C63.4-2003 to C63.4-2009. So, I think USA will still go their own way. I have seen a worst case using H pattern, so I wonder if I can get away with just testing with the H pattern as it is also in the CISPR 32 table. CISPR 32 says Video ports shall output signals, and images shall be displayed, corresponding to the highest complexity level listed in Table B.1 that the EUT is capable of generating., so I think we shouldn't use scrolling H (level 2) when colour bar with moving element (level 4) can be used. Anyway, I think the difference of the display test pattern is relatively small problem. There are more burdensome differences in, for example, EUT setup, test method for 1 GHz and above. Regards, Tom -- Tomonori Sato vef00...@nifty.ne.jp URL: http://homepage3.nifty.com/tsato/ -Original Message- From: T.Sato [mailto:vef00...@nifty.ne.jp] Sent: 05 April 2014 08:51 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] CISPR 32, colour bar with moving element Hello, We used to use scrolling-Hs test pattern for CISPR 22 and ANSI C63.4, but CISPR 32 requires ITU-R BT.1729 colour bar with small moving element for computer displays and similar devices. Now, I made web pages which will display the test pattern on web browsers. If you are interested, please try it, at: http://homepage3.nifty.com/tsato/scrolling-h/colorbar.html Regards, Tom -- Tomonori Sato vef00...@nifty.ne.jp URL: http://homepage3.nifty.com/tsato/ - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on
Re: [PSES] CISPR 32, colour bar with moving element
Hello Tom, Very helpful (and clever), I shall gladly put these to use! Many thanks! James Pawson EchoStar Europe -Original Message- From: T.Sato [mailto:vef00...@nifty.ne.jp] Sent: 05 April 2014 08:51 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] CISPR 32, colour bar with moving element Hello, We used to use scrolling-Hs test pattern for CISPR 22 and ANSI C63.4, but CISPR 32 requires ITU-R BT.1729 colour bar with small moving element for computer displays and similar devices. Now, I made web pages which will display the test pattern on web browsers. If you are interested, please try it, at: http://homepage3.nifty.com/tsato/scrolling-h/colorbar.html Regards, Tom -- Tomonori Sato vef00...@nifty.ne.jp URL: http://homepage3.nifty.com/tsato/ - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] CISPR 32, colour bar with moving element
Hi, Are there any news about what is FCC going to do? As it stand right now (and I do have an official answer) H patterns are required by the FCC. Which means by some international companies double testing, one with H patterns and one with color bar. I have seen a worst case using H pattern, so I wonder if I can get away with just testing with the H pattern as it is also in the CISPR 32 table. Any suggestions? Dieter Paasche -Original Message- From: T.Sato [mailto:vef00...@nifty.ne.jp] Sent: 05 April 2014 08:51 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] CISPR 32, colour bar with moving element Hello, We used to use scrolling-Hs test pattern for CISPR 22 and ANSI C63.4, but CISPR 32 requires ITU-R BT.1729 colour bar with small moving element for computer displays and similar devices. Now, I made web pages which will display the test pattern on web browsers. If you are interested, please try it, at: http://homepage3.nifty.com/tsato/scrolling-h/colorbar.html Regards, Tom -- Tomonori Sato vef00...@nifty.ne.jp URL: http://homepage3.nifty.com/tsato/ - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] CISPR 32; CISPR 35
Hello David EN 55032:2012 is already listed in the RTTE directive list of harmonised standards dated 12th October 2013. My guess is that it will probably appear in the list for the EMCD when it is next updated. Chris Wordley From: itl-emc user group [mailto:itl...@itl.co.il] Sent: 12 November 2013 05:41 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] CISPR 32; CISPR 35 Hello, Does anyone have any idea/indication as to when CISPR 32 and CISPR 35 will be adopted by the EU and appear in the EMCD list of harmonised standards? Also I saw on the IEC website that Edition 2.0 of CISPR 32 is being prepared. Any ideas? Regards, David Shidlowsky | Technical Writer Address 1 Bat-Sheva St. POB 87, LOD 71100 Israel Tel 972-8-9186113 Fax 972-8-9153101 Mail e...@itl.co.il/dav...@itl.co.ilmailto:e...@itl.co.il/dav...@itl.co.il Web www.itl.co.ilhttp://www.itl.co.il/ Fill out Customer Satisfaction Surveyhttp://app.sqm.co.il/SitePages/Questionnaire.aspx Global Certifications You Can Trust - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.orgmailto:emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe)http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.netmailto:emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.orgmailto:mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.orgmailto:j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.commailto:dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] CISPR 32; CISPR 35
CISPR 35 hasn't been published yet. We're still waiting for the IEC central office to circulate the FDIS for vote. That will be a 2 month vote once that happens, so I wouldn't expect CISPR 35 to be published until sometime in February. 5 CDVs were circulated for vote on October 25 with voting closing on January 31, 2014 for CISPR 32. The ones that pass will be combined into a single FDIS for CISPR 32, Edition 2.0. It will be a while before CISPR 32 Edition 2.0 sees the light of day. Ghery S. Pettit From: itl-emc user group [mailto:itl...@itl.co.il] Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 9:41 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] CISPR 32; CISPR 35 Hello, Does anyone have any idea/indication as to when CISPR 32 and CISPR 35 will be adopted by the EU and appear in the EMCD list of harmonised standards? Also I saw on the IEC website that Edition 2.0 of CISPR 32 is being prepared. Any ideas? Regards, David Shidlowsky | Technical Writer Address 1 Bat-Sheva St. POB 87, LOD 71100 Israel Tel 972-8-9186113 Fax 972-8-9153101 Mail e...@itl.co.il/dav...@itl.co.ilmailto:e...@itl.co.il/dav...@itl.co.il Web www.itl.co.ilhttp://www.itl.co.il/ Fill out Customer Satisfaction Surveyhttp://app.sqm.co.il/SitePages/Questionnaire.aspx Global Certifications You Can Trust - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.orgmailto:emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe)http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.netmailto:emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.orgmailto:mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.orgmailto:j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.commailto:dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] CISPR 32
Grace, everyone There are two CISPR/I Review Reports, 435 and 436, that show that CISPR 13 and CISPR 22 will be withdrawn on 5 March 2017. This is the same date as the date of withdrawal of conflicting standards for EN 55032. So EN 55013 and EN 55022 will be withdrawn on that date also. EN 55032 was published last year. National implementations in Europe had to be published by 5 December 2012 but most were much earlier. BS EN 55032 was published in the UK in May 2012. EN 55032 will be listed in the next Official Journal lists for EMCD and RTTED which should appear shortly. Best wishes Brian Brian Jones EMC Consultant From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Grace Lin Sent: 11 July 2013 12:28 To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: CISPR 32 Dear Members, When will be the (proposed) date CISPR 32 replaces CISPR 13 and CISPR 22? The first edition of CISPR 32 was published last year. It seems EU has not adopted it (so does all other countries I believe). Thank you very much. Best regards, Grace Lin - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
