Re: [PSES] Crossed-out wheeled bin symbol
Hi Scott, If you look at the Recast WEEE directive 2012/19/EU annex IX, you will see that the crossed-out wheeled bin symbol does not have a black bar below the symbol. http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=OJ:L:2012:197:0038:0071:EN:PDF Note: If you look at the WEEE directive in a PDF provided by Europa, you will see that they put a small thin horizontal line at the end of the main directive and at the end of each annex. For annex IX, the crossed-out wheeled bin symbol is at the end of the annex, but the symbol uses bold lines. The later small thin horizontal line marking the end of the annex should not be confused as being a part of the crossed-out wheeled bin symbol. Monrad Note: /The statements and opinions expressed here are my own and do not necessarily represent those of any company I work for/. http://www.oracle.com On 9/12/2014 9:52 AM, Scott Xe wrote: Dear All, I have learnt that in near future, the black bar below the crossed-out wheeled bin symbol will be removed similar to the one used in battery directive. Have anyone heard the same? Thanks and regards, Scott On 12 Sep, 2014, at 10:56 pm, Denis Ryskamp denis_rysk...@trimble.com mailto:denis_rysk...@trimble.com wrote: *Gary:* ** *Needed:* *1)**A unique identification of the producer*(Brand name, registration number,…..)** *2)**The crossed-out wheeled bin in accordance with Directive* *3)**Put on market after 13 august 2005 shall be identified by at least one of the following:* */a)/**/Date of manufacture/put on market, in uncoded text per ISO 8601 or other coded text, for which the code shall be made available for treatment facilities./* *b)**/Additional mark used in conjunction with the crossed-out wheeled bin (underline) The directive has the dimensional proportions. Height of the bin itself is 4mm minimum./* *The crossed out wheeled bin symbol to be displayed in a visible, legible and indelible form on the product itself, near Producer ID, except for in exceptional cases where this is not possible because of the size or function of the product. If the symbol cannot be applied to the product due to product size or function, then the marking shall be printed on the packaging, in the instructions for use, and in the warranty.* The directive has the dimensional proportions. Height of the bin itself is 4mm minimum. *From:*Gary McInturff [mailto:gary.mcintu...@esterline.com] *Sent:*Friday, September 12, 2014 10:30 AM *To:*EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG *Subject:*[PSES] Visible - legible Does anyone have a standards definition of visible – legible? In this particular instance it’s for the WEEE symbol for an ITE product. I don’t see a reference to the definition here. Anybody else? Is it a fixed height say 4mm, or is there some reference to readable from 1 meter (another non-definition because readable isn’t defined), *Gary McInturff* *Reliability/Compliance Engineer* ** ** ** *Esterline Interface Technologies* /Featuring/ /ADVANCED INPUT, GAMESMAN,/ /and LRE MEDICAL products/ 600 W. Wilbur Avenue Coeur d’Alene, ID 83815-9496 Toll Free: 800-444-5923 X1XXX Tel: (208) 635-8 Fax: (208) 635-8 www.esterline.com/interfacetechnologies http://www.esterline.com/interfacetechnologies /Technology, Innovation, Performance…/ Information in or attached to this e-mail message may be subject to export control restrictions of the International Traffic in Arms Regulations (ITAR) (22 CFR pts. 120-130) or the Export Administration Regulations (EAR) (15 CFR pts. 730-774). Before exporting this information outside the United States or releasing it to a foreign person in the United States, you need to determine whether a license under the EAR or the ITAR is required to do so. If you have any questions about this obligation, please contact me. // - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at:http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site athttp://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website:http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions:http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules:http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net mailto:emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org mailto:mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org mailto:j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com mailto:dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from
Re: [PSES] Crossed-out wheeled bin symbol
Am confused over this. Cannot determine if thin line is a PDF 'artifact', or if that is the new image for the EEE mark. The HTML files for the directive links to a blank image: http://eur-lex.europa.eu/resource.html?uri=CELEX:32012L0019.ENG.xhtml.L_2012197EN.01006602.tif.jpg Anyone have a better source? Brian From: Monrad Monsen [mailto:monrad.mon...@oracle.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 10:55 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Crossed-out wheeled bin symbol Hi Scott, If you look at the Recast WEEE directive 2012/19/EU annex IX, you will see that the crossed-out wheeled bin symbol does not have a black bar below the symbol. http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=OJ:L:2012:197:0038:0071:EN:PDF Note: If you look at the WEEE directive in a PDF provided by Europa, you will see that they put a small thin horizontal line at the end of the main directive and at the end of each annex. For annex IX, the crossed-out wheeled bin symbol is at the end of the annex, but the symbol uses bold lines. The later small thin horizontal line marking the end of the annex should not be confused as being a part of the crossed-out wheeled bin symbol. Monrad Note: The statements and opinions expressed here are my own and do not necessarily represent those of any company I work for. On 9/12/2014 9:52 AM, Scott Xe wrote: Dear All, I have learnt that in near future, the black bar below the crossed-out wheeled bin symbol will be removed similar to the one used in battery directive. Have anyone heard the same? Thanks and regards, Scott On 12 Sep, 2014, at 10:56 pm, Denis Ryskamp denis_rysk...@trimble.com wrote: Gary: Needed: 1) A unique identification of the producer (Brand name, registration number,...) 2) The crossed-out wheeled bin in accordance with Directive 3) Put on market after 13 august 2005 shall be identified by at least one of the following: a) Date of manufacture/put on market, in uncoded text per ISO 8601 or other coded text, for which the code shall be made available for treatment facilities. b) Additional mark used in conjunction with the crossed-out wheeled bin (underline) The directive has the dimensional proportions. Height of the bin itself is 4mm minimum. The crossed out wheeled bin symbol to be displayed in a visible, legible and indelible form on the product itself, near Producer ID, except for in exceptional cases where this is not possible because of the size or function of the product. If the symbol cannot be applied to the product due to product size or function, then the marking shall be printed on the packaging, in the instructions for use, and in the warranty. The directive has the dimensional proportions. Height of the bin itself is 4mm minimum. From: Gary McInturff [mailto:gary.mcintu...@esterline.com] Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 10:30 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] Visible - legible Does anyone have a standards definition of visible - legible? In this particular instance it's for the WEEE symbol for an ITE product. I don't see a reference to the definition here. Anybody else? Is it a fixed height say 4mm, or is there some reference to readable from 1 meter (another non-definition because readable isn't defined), Gary McInturff Reliability/Compliance Engineer Esterline Interface Technologies Featuring ADVANCED INPUT, GAMESMAN, and LRE MEDICAL products 600 W. Wilbur Avenue Coeur d'Alene, ID 83815-9496 Toll Free: 800-444-5923 X1XXX Tel: (208) 635-8 Fax: (208) 635-8 www.esterline.com/interfacetechnologies Technology, Innovation, Performance. Information in or attached to this e-mail message may be subject to export control restrictions of the International Traffic in Arms Regulations (ITAR) (22 CFR pts. 120-130) or the Export Administration Regulations (EAR) (15 CFR pts. 730-774). Before exporting this information outside the United States or releasing it to a foreign person in the United States, you need to determine whether a license under the EAR or the ITAR is required to do so. If you have any questions about this obligation, please contact me. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell
Re: [PSES] Crossed-out wheeled bin symbol
Each Annex is terminated by a short horizontal line. The thin line is meant to be there, but it is not part of the symbol. Mick On 24/09/2014 20:31, Brian Oconnell wrote: Am confused over this. Cannot determine if thin line is a PDF 'artifact', or if that is the new image for the EEE mark. The HTML files for the directive links to a blank image: http://eur-lex.europa.eu/resource.html?uri=CELEX:32012L0019.ENG.xhtml.L_2012197EN.01006602.tif.jpg Anyone have a better source? Brian From: Monrad Monsen [mailto:monrad.mon...@oracle.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 10:55 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Crossed-out wheeled bin symbol Hi Scott, If you look at the Recast WEEE directive 2012/19/EU annex IX, you will see that the crossed-out wheeled bin symbol does not have a black bar below the symbol. http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=OJ:L:2012:197:0038:0071:EN:PDF Note: If you look at the WEEE directive in a PDF provided by Europa, you will see that they put a small thin horizontal line at the end of the main directive and at the end of each annex. For annex IX, the crossed-out wheeled bin symbol is at the end of the annex, but the symbol uses bold lines. The later small thin horizontal line marking the end of the annex should not be confused as being a part of the crossed-out wheeled bin symbol. Monrad Note: The statements and opinions expressed here are my own and do not necessarily represent those of any company I work for. On 9/12/2014 9:52 AM, Scott Xe wrote: Dear All, I have learnt that in near future, the black bar below the crossed-out wheeled bin symbol will be removed similar to the one used in battery directive. Have anyone heard the same? Thanks and regards, Scott On 12 Sep, 2014, at 10:56 pm, Denis Ryskamp denis_rysk...@trimble.com wrote: Gary: Needed: 1) A unique identification of the producer (Brand name, registration number,...) 2) The crossed-out wheeled bin in accordance with Directive 3) Put on market after 13 august 2005 shall be identified by at least one of the following: a) Date of manufacture/put on market, in uncoded text per ISO 8601 or other coded text, for which the code shall be made available for treatment facilities. b) Additional mark used in conjunction with the crossed-out wheeled bin (underline) The directive has the dimensional proportions. Height of the bin itself is 4mm minimum. The crossed out wheeled bin symbol to be displayed in a visible, legible and indelible form on the product itself, near Producer ID, except for in exceptional cases where this is not possible because of the size or function of the product. If the symbol cannot be applied to the product due to product size or function, then the marking shall be printed on the packaging, in the instructions for use, and in the warranty. The directive has the dimensional proportions. Height of the bin itself is 4mm minimum. From: Gary McInturff [mailto:gary.mcintu...@esterline.com] Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 10:30 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] Visible - legible Does anyone have a standards definition of visible - legible? In this particular instance it's for the WEEE symbol for an ITE product. I don't see a reference to the definition here. Anybody else? Is it a fixed height say 4mm, or is there some reference to readable from 1 meter (another non-definition because readable isn't defined), Gary McInturff Reliability/Compliance Engineer Esterline Interface Technologies Featuring ADVANCED INPUT, GAMESMAN, and LRE MEDICAL products 600 W. Wilbur Avenue Coeur d'Alene, ID 83815-9496 Toll Free: 800-444-5923 X1XXX Tel: (208) 635-8 Fax: (208) 635-8 www.esterline.com/interfacetechnologies Technology, Innovation, Performance. Information in or attached to this e-mail message may be subject to export control restrictions of the International Traffic in Arms Regulations (ITAR) (22 CFR pts. 120-130) or the Export Administration Regulations (EAR) (15 CFR pts. 730-774). Before exporting this information outside the United States or releasing it to a foreign person in the United States, you need to determine whether a license under the EAR or the ITAR is required to do so. If you have any questions about this obligation, please contact me. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including
Re: [PSES] Crossed-out wheeled bin symbol
The bar underneath the wheeled bin is still required - it is used to indicate that the product was placed on the market after 13 August 2005. WEEE recast Directive 2012/19/EU Article 14 'Information for users' clause 4 states, in part: 4. With a view to minimising the disposal of WEEE as unsorted municipal waste and to facilitating its separate collection, Member States shall ensure that producers appropriately mark - preferably in accordance with the European standard EN 50419 (1) - EEE placed on the market with the symbol shown in Annex IX. In exceptional cases, where this is necessary because of the size or the function of the product, the symbol shall be printed on the packaging, on the instructions for use and on the warranty of the EEE. In addition, Directive 2012/19/EU Article 15 'Information for treatment facilities' clause 2 states: 2. In order to enable the date upon which the EEE was placed on the market to be determined unequivocally, Member States shall ensure that a mark on the EEE specifies that the latter was placed on the market after 13 August 2005. Preferably, the European Standard EN 50419 shall be applied for this purpose. EN 50419:2005 states: 4.2 Design of the marking The additional marking referred to in 4.1 b) 2) shall consist of a solid bar, the height of which equals h and the width of which equals 1,2 a. The height (h) of the bar shall be the greater of 0,3 a or 1 mm. The bar shall only be used in conjunction with the crossed-out wheeled bin. The bar shall not contain any text or any kind of additional information. The dimensional relationship shown in Figure 1 shall be maintained. William T. (Tom) Sykes -Original Message- From: Brian Oconnell [mailto:oconne...@tamuracorp.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 3:32 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Crossed-out wheeled bin symbol Am confused over this. Cannot determine if thin line is a PDF 'artifact', or if that is the new image for the EEE mark. The HTML files for the directive links to a blank image: http://eur-lex.europa.eu/resource.html?uri=CELEX:32012L0019.ENG.xhtml.L_2012197EN.01006602.tif.jpg Anyone have a better source? Brian From: Monrad Monsen [mailto:monrad.mon...@oracle.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 10:55 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Crossed-out wheeled bin symbol Hi Scott, If you look at the Recast WEEE directive 2012/19/EU annex IX, you will see that the crossed-out wheeled bin symbol does not have a black bar below the symbol. http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=OJ:L:2012:197:0038:0071:EN:PDF Note: If you look at the WEEE directive in a PDF provided by Europa, you will see that they put a small thin horizontal line at the end of the main directive and at the end of each annex. For annex IX, the crossed-out wheeled bin symbol is at the end of the annex, but the symbol uses bold lines. The later small thin horizontal line marking the end of the annex should not be confused as being a part of the crossed-out wheeled bin symbol. Monrad Note: The statements and opinions expressed here are my own and do not necessarily represent those of any company I work for. On 9/12/2014 9:52 AM, Scott Xe wrote: Dear All, I have learnt that in near future, the black bar below the crossed-out wheeled bin symbol will be removed similar to the one used in battery directive. Have anyone heard the same? Thanks and regards, Scott On 12 Sep, 2014, at 10:56 pm, Denis Ryskamp denis_rysk...@trimble.com wrote: Gary: Needed: 1) A unique identification of the producer (Brand name, registration number,...) 2) The crossed-out wheeled bin in accordance with Directive 3) Put on market after 13 august 2005 shall be identified by at least one of the following: a) Date of manufacture/put on market, in uncoded text per ISO 8601 or other coded text, for which the code shall be made available for treatment facilities. b) Additional mark used in conjunction with the crossed-out wheeled bin (underline) The directive has the dimensional proportions. Height of the bin itself is 4mm minimum. The crossed out wheeled bin symbol to be displayed in a visible, legible and indelible form on the product itself, near Producer ID, except for in exceptional cases where this is not possible because of the size or function of the product. If the symbol cannot be applied to the product due to product size or function, then the marking shall be printed on the packaging, in the instructions for use, and in the warranty. The directive has the dimensional proportions. Height of the bin itself is 4mm minimum. From: Gary McInturff [mailto:gary.mcintu...@esterline.com] Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 10:30 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] Visible - legible Does anyone have a standards definition of visible - legible? In this particular instance
Re: [PSES] Crossed-out wheeled bin symbol
Ok, thanks. Can conclude that no changes EEE mark, and the bar thickness for 'historical' delimiter remains at 30% bin dimension. Geez, was getting ready to get irate over yet another label change. Brian -Original Message- From: Sykes, William (Contractor) [mailto:william.sy...@stryker.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 2:18 PM To: Brian Oconnell; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: RE: [PSES] Crossed-out wheeled bin symbol The bar underneath the wheeled bin is still required - it is used to indicate that the product was placed on the market after 13 August 2005. WEEE recast Directive 2012/19/EU Article 14 'Information for users' clause 4 states, in part: 4. With a view to minimising the disposal of WEEE as unsorted municipal waste and to facilitating its separate collection, Member States shall ensure that producers appropriately mark - preferably in accordance with the European standard EN 50419 (1) - EEE placed on the market with the symbol shown in Annex IX. In exceptional cases, where this is necessary because of the size or the function of the product, the symbol shall be printed on the packaging, on the instructions for use and on the warranty of the EEE. In addition, Directive 2012/19/EU Article 15 'Information for treatment facilities' clause 2 states: 2. In order to enable the date upon which the EEE was placed on the market to be determined unequivocally, Member States shall ensure that a mark on the EEE specifies that the latter was placed on the market after 13 August 2005. Preferably, the European Standard EN 50419 shall be applied for this purpose. EN 50419:2005 states: 4.2 Design of the marking The additional marking referred to in 4.1 b) 2) shall consist of a solid bar, the height of which equals h and the width of which equals 1,2 a. The height (h) of the bar shall be the greater of 0,3 a or 1 mm. The bar shall only be used in conjunction with the crossed-out wheeled bin. The bar shall not contain any text or any kind of additional information. The dimensional relationship shown in Figure 1 shall be maintained. William T. (Tom) Sykes -Original Message- From: Brian Oconnell [mailto:oconne...@tamuracorp.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 3:32 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Crossed-out wheeled bin symbol Am confused over this. Cannot determine if thin line is a PDF 'artifact', or if that is the new image for the EEE mark. The HTML files for the directive links to a blank image: http://eur-lex.europa.eu/resource.html?uri=CELEX:32012L0019.ENG.xhtml.L_2012197EN.01006602.tif.jpg Anyone have a better source? Brian From: Monrad Monsen [mailto:monrad.mon...@oracle.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 10:55 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Crossed-out wheeled bin symbol Hi Scott, If you look at the Recast WEEE directive 2012/19/EU annex IX, you will see that the crossed-out wheeled bin symbol does not have a black bar below the symbol. http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=OJ:L:2012:197:0038:0071:EN:PDF Note: If you look at the WEEE directive in a PDF provided by Europa, you will see that they put a small thin horizontal line at the end of the main directive and at the end of each annex. For annex IX, the crossed-out wheeled bin symbol is at the end of the annex, but the symbol uses bold lines. The later small thin horizontal line marking the end of the annex should not be confused as being a part of the crossed-out wheeled bin symbol. Monrad Note: The statements and opinions expressed here are my own and do not necessarily represent those of any company I work for. On 9/12/2014 9:52 AM, Scott Xe wrote: Dear All, I have learnt that in near future, the black bar below the crossed-out wheeled bin symbol will be removed similar to the one used in battery directive. Have anyone heard the same? Thanks and regards, Scott On 12 Sep, 2014, at 10:56 pm, Denis Ryskamp denis_rysk...@trimble.com wrote: Gary: Needed: 1) A unique identification of the producer (Brand name, registration number,...) 2) The crossed-out wheeled bin in accordance with Directive 3) Put on market after 13 august 2005 shall be identified by at least one of the following: a) Date of manufacture/put on market, in uncoded text per ISO 8601 or other coded text, for which the code shall be made available for treatment facilities. b) Additional mark used in conjunction with the crossed-out wheeled bin (underline) The directive has the dimensional proportions. Height of the bin itself is 4mm minimum. The crossed out wheeled bin symbol to be displayed in a visible, legible and indelible form on the product itself, near Producer ID, except for in exceptional cases where this is not possible because of the size or function of the product. If the symbol cannot be applied to the product due to product size or function
Re: [PSES] Crossed-out wheeled bin symbol
John, Thanks for your good advice on BD. I just learnt from ITS that the crossed-out wheeled bin symbol is no longer required to have a bar at the bottom like the one in BD in the latest directive and the EN 50419 is in the process to be amended. I did not find any revision in the latest WEEE. Have you heard anything about it? Regards, Scott On 27 Aug, 2014, at 4:36 am, John Woodgate j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk wrote: In message c67fe116-899f-4893-85a8-74a7658cf...@gmail.com, dated Wed, 27 Aug 2014, Scott Xe scott...@gmail.com writes: In WEEE Directive, it requires crossed-out wheeled bin symbol according to EN 50419 : 2006 on the product. This symbol looks very similar to the one required in Battery Directive 2006/66/EC. Unfortunately the battery directive does not provide the applicable standard so it is unsure if they are the same symbol or different. If different, how do we mark this symbol accurately on the battery? Use the EN 50419 symbol and in your product technical file explain that you used it because the BD doesn't cite a standard nor give full graphical details of the symbol. -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. With best wishes. See www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Quid faciamus nisi sit? John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] Crossed-out wheeled bin symbol
In message 7cdcfb8f-e74e-4101-8b29-0b3388c55...@gmail.com, dated Wed, 27 Aug 2014, Raymond Li scott...@gmail.com writes: I just learnt from ITS that the crossed-out wheeled bin symbol is no longer required to have a bar at the bottom like the one in BD in the latest directive and the EN 50419 is in the process to be amended. I did not find any revision in the latest WEEE. Have you heard anything about it? No, but Google finds this Chinese site that has the draft revision text. http://wenku.baidu.com/view/164052c689eb172ded63b769 The bar appears to be still there. -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. With best wishes. See www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Quid faciamus nisi sit? John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] Crossed-out wheeled bin symbol
John, I believe the draft was the EN 50419 : 2006. Thanks for sharing. Regards, Scott On 27 Aug, 2014, at 9:51 pm, John Woodgate j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk wrote: In message 7cdcfb8f-e74e-4101-8b29-0b3388c55...@gmail.com, dated Wed, 27 Aug 2014, Raymond Li scott...@gmail.com writes: I just learnt from ITS that the crossed-out wheeled bin symbol is no longer required to have a bar at the bottom like the one in BD in the latest directive and the EN 50419 is in the process to be amended. I did not find any revision in the latest WEEE. Have you heard anything about it? No, but Google finds this Chinese site that has the draft revision text. http://wenku.baidu.com/view/164052c689eb172ded63b769 The bar appears to be still there. -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. With best wishes. See www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Quid faciamus nisi sit? John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] Crossed-out wheeled bin symbol
In message a6a74265-c203-4719-b81a-01bef7f41...@gmail.com, dated Thu, 28 Aug 2014, Raymond Li scott...@gmail.com writes: I believe the draft was the EN 50419 : 2006. Thanks for sharing. Apologies: I read 2004 as 2014. -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. With best wishes. See www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Quid faciamus nisi sit? John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] Crossed-out wheeled bin symbol
In message c67fe116-899f-4893-85a8-74a7658cf...@gmail.com, dated Wed, 27 Aug 2014, Scott Xe scott...@gmail.com writes: In WEEE Directive, it requires crossed-out wheeled bin symbol according to EN 50419 : 2006 on the product. This symbol looks very similar to the one required in Battery Directive 2006/66/EC. Unfortunately the battery directive does not provide the applicable standard so it is unsure if they are the same symbol or different. If different, how do we mark this symbol accurately on the battery? Use the EN 50419 symbol and in your product technical file explain that you used it because the BD doesn't cite a standard nor give full graphical details of the symbol. -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. With best wishes. See www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Quid faciamus nisi sit? John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
