[Emc-users] Z axix direction problem
Hi I have problem with interpretation of G code. Basic problem is with Z axis. I set G55 right on the face of part. Start with G54, than G55 X0 Y0 Z0 When machine reads Z 0.1 (positive) volume machine moves from G55 plane away from home. When machine reads Z -0.3(negative) volume machine moves from G55 plane to the direction of home. My program created with CAM based that positive volume will move machine closer to home and negative volume moves machine away from home position. Did I explain problem? If so where is the solution? Thanks Aram -- This SF.net email is sponsored by: SourcForge Community SourceForge wants to tell your story. http://p.sf.net/sfu/sf-spreadtheword ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] matching servo motor to axis
On Jan 23, 2009, at 7:27 PM, Glenn R. Edwards wrote: > Hi Dave, > > Here's one from Galil, a pretty trusted supplier of motion > systems. Of > course, using one of these usually leads you to a motor the vendor > recommends, but you can look at the specs and then buy one similar > from > anyone. > > http://www.galilmc.com/learning/motorsizer.php > > Glenn Thanks Glenn. Apparently that part of their site is down since I get no response on either a linux system or a Mac. Will try later and see if they get it fixed. :-) Dave > > -Original Message- > From: emc-users-boun...@lists.sourceforge.net > [mailto:emc-users-boun...@lists.sourceforge.net] On Behalf Of Dave > Engvall > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 3:57 PM > To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) > Subject: [Emc-users] matching servo motor to axis > > Hi all, > > Does anyone know of a good worksheet for working thru the design > parameters > for a servo drive. > > eg. given: > servo motor of a given torque and speed; gear reduction ball > screw dia and > pitch desired accel and velocity weight of the axis coeff of > friction for > the slides and probably things I've not thought of. > > With a good set of specs it ought to be possible to calculate ... > yes this will work ... or it is beyond > the given parameters. > > TIA > > Dave > > > -- > -- > -- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: > SourcForge Community > SourceForge wants to tell your story. > http://p.sf.net/sfu/sf-spreadtheword > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > > > -- > > This SF.net email is sponsored by: > SourcForge Community > SourceForge wants to tell your story. > http://p.sf.net/sfu/sf-spreadtheword > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- This SF.net email is sponsored by: SourcForge Community SourceForge wants to tell your story. http://p.sf.net/sfu/sf-spreadtheword ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Replacing Mach 3 by EMC? Performace?
writes: snip... > The reason Id like to change the soft CNC is that Mach 3 slows down the > machine dramatically on complex fine cuts with a large number of short G1 > movements. Can I expect an improvement of the cutting speed by utilizing > EMC? I think it depends on how good the tool path look ahead is. What can > I expect from EMC running on a standard PC (3 Ghz Core 2 Duo, 2GB RAM, 2 > PCI LPT cards)? > > I hope you can comment on my quite unspecific questions. > > Greetings > Flo Hi Flo, I just finished converting a 3 ton knee mill to emc2 using the Mesa 5i20/7i33 cards and new Advanced Motion servo amps. I kept the original brush servos and converted them to optical (encoders 2000 ppr). I have been generating complex toolpaths in CAM and I saw the speeds slow a bit when I hit lots of little line segments, but I was still getting max 30 ipm. So I started to use the G64 command (example: G64 P0.0015) and I immediately got a huge jump in attainable cutting speeds; as much as 100 ipm, which is a lot more than I need. I have not yet experimented with adjusting the segment tolerance settings in CAM yet, but I can turn on arcs in my CAM package which helps with the cutting speed, but the output ngc file seems to have a mix arcs and line segments in a way that I cannot control (as far I know...). Still, I have more speed than I can use, and very good accuracy. After reading and evaluating Mach3 vs. Emc2 for a year, I decided to go with Emc2 mainly because with encoders, Emc2 always knows where the joints are and displays there positions, even when you turn off or estop the servo amps. This allows you to pause or estop the machine if I don't like what its doing, and then correct the issue (even re-load the edited toolpath) - and resume where I left off without losing position or accuracy. I am very happy with it. Tom -- This SF.net email is sponsored by: SourcForge Community SourceForge wants to tell your story. http://p.sf.net/sfu/sf-spreadtheword ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Replacing Mach 3 by EMC? Performace?
fr...@fs.tum.de wrote: > Hallo, > I new to EMC and before I start to work my self through the documentation > and try to get it running with my machine I’d like here your opinions: > > I’m looking for a solution to control a 4 axis CNC mill (3 axis router + > rotator axis). At the moment the mill is controlled using Mach 3 running > Windows XP. The mill is controlled by simple step and direction signals, > it is connect to the PC by using two LPT ports. So I think it should be > rather easy to setup EMC, right? > > The reason I’d like to change the soft CNC is that Mach 3 slows down the > machine dramatically on complex fine cuts with a large number of short G1 > movements. Can I expect an improvement of the cutting speed by utilizing > EMC? I think it depends on how good the tool path look ahead is. What can > I expect from EMC running on a standard PC (3 Ghz Core 2 Duo, 2GB RAM, 2 > PCI LPT cards)? > I did some testing last year to see how well EMC2 could handle a long string of very nearly co-linear short vectors. I've looked hard for the original message, but can't find it. But, I seem to recall that I got over 600 vectors per second when I had the right G61.1 setting, so that the allowance for divergence between the lines was sufficient to maintain the commanded feedrate. This was on a 600 MHz Pentium 3 with a "real" servo control, so there were no software step generation issues. The test program was a 2" diameter circle composed of 10,000 vectors. It executed in ~13 seconds. Jon -- This SF.net email is sponsored by: SourcForge Community SourceForge wants to tell your story. http://p.sf.net/sfu/sf-spreadtheword ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] matching servo motor to axis
Hi Dave, Here's one from Galil, a pretty trusted supplier of motion systems. Of course, using one of these usually leads you to a motor the vendor recommends, but you can look at the specs and then buy one similar from anyone. http://www.galilmc.com/learning/motorsizer.php Glenn -Original Message- From: emc-users-boun...@lists.sourceforge.net [mailto:emc-users-boun...@lists.sourceforge.net] On Behalf Of Dave Engvall Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 3:57 PM To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) Subject: [Emc-users] matching servo motor to axis Hi all, Does anyone know of a good worksheet for working thru the design parameters for a servo drive. eg. given: servo motor of a given torque and speed; gear reduction ball screw dia and pitch desired accel and velocity weight of the axis coeff of friction for the slides and probably things I've not thought of. With a good set of specs it ought to be possible to calculate ... yes this will work ... or it is beyond the given parameters. TIA Dave -- This SF.net email is sponsored by: SourcForge Community SourceForge wants to tell your story. http://p.sf.net/sfu/sf-spreadtheword ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- This SF.net email is sponsored by: SourcForge Community SourceForge wants to tell your story. http://p.sf.net/sfu/sf-spreadtheword ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Replacing Mach 3 by EMC? Performace?
writes: > > Hallo, > I new to EMC and before I start to work my self through the documentation > and try to get it running with my machine Id like here your opinions: > > Im looking for a solution to control a 4 axis CNC mill (3 axis router + > rotator axis). At the moment the mill is controlled using Mach 3 running > Windows XP. The mill is controlled by simple step and direction signals, > it is connect to the PC by using two LPT ports. So I think it should be > rather easy to setup EMC, right? > > The reason Id like to change the soft CNC is that Mach 3 slows down the > machine dramatically on complex fine cuts with a large number of short G1 > movements. Can I expect an improvement of the cutting speed by utilizing > EMC? I think it depends on how good the tool path look ahead is. What can > I expect from EMC running on a standard PC (3 Ghz Core 2 Duo, 2GB RAM, 2 > PCI LPT cards)? > > I hope you can comment on my quite unspecific questions. Flo, If you are using CAM to generate your G-code maximize the path tolerance to reduce the number of line segments. I do 3D contouring in VisualMill and can double the size of my G-code by specifying .001 tolerance. Unless you are machining with a very rigid state of the art machine you wil never see the difference. I run with a segment tolerance of .005. Also check to make sure that you are outputting circles intead of line segments. Roger -- This SF.net email is sponsored by: SourcForge Community SourceForge wants to tell your story. http://p.sf.net/sfu/sf-spreadtheword ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
[Emc-users] matching servo motor to axis
Hi all, Does anyone know of a good worksheet for working thru the design parameters for a servo drive. eg. given: servo motor of a given torque and speed; gear reduction ball screw dia and pitch desired accel and velocity weight of the axis coeff of friction for the slides and probably things I've not thought of. With a good set of specs it ought to be possible to calculate ... yes this will work ... or it is beyond the given parameters. TIA Dave -- This SF.net email is sponsored by: SourcForge Community SourceForge wants to tell your story. http://p.sf.net/sfu/sf-spreadtheword ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] 7i43 and pinout.
On Fri, 23 Jan 2009, Sebastian Kuzminsky wrote:
>
> The driver prints the actual pinout at load-time whether or not
> debug_pin_descriptors is given. The pinout shows up in the dmesg.
>
> (debug_pin_descriptors only enables dumping the firmware's Pin
> Descriptors in all their hideous glory, this may be interesting to
> firmware hackers and driver writers but it's no good for users - users
> should get what they need from the always-on pinout logging.)
>
Oh, OK thats even better! :-)
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Re: [Emc-users] 7i43 and pinout.
Peter C. Wallace wrote: > On Fri, 23 Jan 2009, Richard Acosta wrote: > >> I'm now about to connect a linear encoder, but, i don't know how to >> connect it. >> I downloaded the three manuals available, and found about pwmgen >> connection but nothing about an encoder. >> >> How do i tell EMC2 which pins belong to encoders? >> In which file? > > There should be a .PIN file that matches the name of the firmware file you > are > using, say SVST4_6.PIN for example. I'm not sure off hand where this is in > the > EMC distribution but locate should find it. This file has the pinout > information for the matching bitfile. You can also set the > "debug_pin_descriptors" flag when launching hostmot2. (man hostmot2). Hi again Richard. The PIN files are in src/hal/drivers/mesa-hostmot2/firmware/7i43 if you're compiling from source using a CVS checkout. They're in /usr/share/doc/emc2/hostmot2/7i43 if you installed the 2.2.8 .deb. The driver prints the actual pinout at load-time whether or not debug_pin_descriptors is given. The pinout shows up in the dmesg. (debug_pin_descriptors only enables dumping the firmware's Pin Descriptors in all their hideous glory, this may be interesting to firmware hackers and driver writers but it's no good for users - users should get what they need from the always-on pinout logging.) -- Sebastian Kuzminsky sky is black / stars show me the way moon whispers how to keep my faith-- Korpiklaani -- This SF.net email is sponsored by: SourcForge Community SourceForge wants to tell your story. http://p.sf.net/sfu/sf-spreadtheword ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] 7i43 and pinout.
On Fri, 23 Jan 2009, Richard Acosta wrote:
> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 20:54:03 -0200
> From: Richard Acosta
> Reply-To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)"
>
> To: "emc >> \"Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)\""
>
> Subject: [Emc-users] 7i43 and pinout.
>
> Hello again, after a while i'm going back to put my hands on this project.
>
>
> I'm now about to connect a linear encoder, but, i don't know how to
> connect it.
> I downloaded the three manuals available, and found about pwmgen
> connection but nothing about an encoder.
>
> How do i tell EMC2 which pins belong to encoders?
> In which file?
There should be a .PIN file that matches the name of the firmware file you are
using, say SVST4_6.PIN for example. I'm not sure off hand where this is in the
EMC distribution but locate should find it. This file has the pinout
information for the matching bitfile. You can also set the
"debug_pin_descriptors" flag when launching hostmot2. (man hostmot2).
These .PIN files are also in our (Mesas) normal 7I43 distribution zip file
>
> Thanks!
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Re: [Emc-users] Replacing Mach 3 by EMC? Performace?
Hi Flo, I try not to say bad things about Mach, as one isn't supposed to say about any competitors. I'll try to say good things about emc2 though ;) I think (after trying some plasma cutting on Mach today for the first time) that emc2 should definately work better than that on a file with short segments. I don't exclude this machine to be horribly out of tune, but I saw cutting speeds of 3000 mm/min going down to maybe 3-400 mm/min on segments about 2-3mm long. I would assume it should do better than that. Anyways, get a LiveCD, try it yourself - if you don't have any complex things set up, then you can see what happens. Maybe even limit the config to just get your motors tuned up and try a dry run. Be sure to use G64 Pxx to set max deviation (I use something like G64 P0.1 for mm). This allows some corner cutting, to keep velocity high enough, with the loss of some precision. The more loss, the faster it goes. To find the right balance is up to you. Regards, Alex - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 22:16 Subject: [Emc-users] Replacing Mach 3 by EMC? Performace? Hallo, I new to EMC and before I start to work my self through the documentation and try to get it running with my machine I'd like here your opinions: I'm looking for a solution to control a 4 axis CNC mill (3 axis router + rotator axis). At the moment the mill is controlled using Mach 3 running Windows XP. The mill is controlled by simple step and direction signals, it is connect to the PC by using two LPT ports. So I think it should be rather easy to setup EMC, right? The reason I'd like to change the soft CNC is that Mach 3 slows down the machine dramatically on complex fine cuts with a large number of short G1 movements. Can I expect an improvement of the cutting speed by utilizing EMC? I think it depends on how good the tool path look ahead is. What can I expect from EMC running on a standard PC (3 Ghz Core 2 Duo, 2GB RAM, 2 PCI LPT cards)? I hope you can comment on my quite unspecific questions. Greetings Flo -- This SF.net email is sponsored by: SourcForge Community SourceForge wants to tell your story. http://p.sf.net/sfu/sf-spreadtheword ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- This SF.net email is sponsored by: SourcForge Community SourceForge wants to tell your story. http://p.sf.net/sfu/sf-spreadtheword ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
[Emc-users] 7i43 and pinout.
Hello again, after a while i'm going back to put my hands on this project. I'm now about to connect a linear encoder, but, i don't know how to connect it. I downloaded the three manuals available, and found about pwmgen connection but nothing about an encoder. How do i tell EMC2 which pins belong to encoders? In which file? Thanks! -- This SF.net email is sponsored by: SourcForge Community SourceForge wants to tell your story. http://p.sf.net/sfu/sf-spreadtheword ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Replacing Mach 3 by EMC? Performace?
You need to read read and read again. :) http://linuxcnc.org/docview/html/ You will want to do a latency test on the hardware (to make your hardware will decent realtime performance) http://www.linuxcnc.org/docview/html//config_stepconf.html#sec:Latency-Test That being said... You can test emc for performance by downloading the livecd here http://www.linuxcnc.org/content/view/21/4/lang,en/ and booting from it. It will not change anyting on your existing computer but will allow you to test emc2. There are a bunch of sim configs that will allow you to test gcode to see how it runs. (you might want to make a config though with your known max velocities and accelerations.) As far as how smooth it will run. Emc has a naive cam detector when using G64Px.xxx. This combines line segments that are within the Px.xxx tolerance. It really helps improve the speed of cutting. http://www.linuxcnc.org/docview/html//gcode_main.html#sub:G61,-G61.1,-G64: and http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?TrajectoryControl Give it a try. sam fr...@fs.tum.de wrote: > Hallo, > I new to EMC and before I start to work my self through the documentation > and try to get it running with my machine I’d like here your opinions: > > I’m looking for a solution to control a 4 axis CNC mill (3 axis router + > rotator axis). At the moment the mill is controlled using Mach 3 running > Windows XP. The mill is controlled by simple step and direction signals, > it is connect to the PC by using two LPT ports. So I think it should be > rather easy to setup EMC, right? > > The reason I’d like to change the soft CNC is that Mach 3 slows down the > machine dramatically on complex fine cuts with a large number of short G1 > movements. Can I expect an improvement of the cutting speed by utilizing > EMC? I think it depends on how good the tool path look ahead is. What can > I expect from EMC running on a standard PC (3 Ghz Core 2 Duo, 2GB RAM, 2 > PCI LPT cards)? > > I hope you can comment on my quite unspecific questions. > > Greetings > Flo > > > > -- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: > SourcForge Community > SourceForge wants to tell your story. > http://p.sf.net/sfu/sf-spreadtheword > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > > -- This SF.net email is sponsored by: SourcForge Community SourceForge wants to tell your story. http://p.sf.net/sfu/sf-spreadtheword ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
[Emc-users] Replacing Mach 3 by EMC? Performace?
Hallo, I new to EMC and before I start to work my self through the documentation and try to get it running with my machine Id like here your opinions: Im looking for a solution to control a 4 axis CNC mill (3 axis router + rotator axis). At the moment the mill is controlled using Mach 3 running Windows XP. The mill is controlled by simple step and direction signals, it is connect to the PC by using two LPT ports. So I think it should be rather easy to setup EMC, right? The reason Id like to change the soft CNC is that Mach 3 slows down the machine dramatically on complex fine cuts with a large number of short G1 movements. Can I expect an improvement of the cutting speed by utilizing EMC? I think it depends on how good the tool path look ahead is. What can I expect from EMC running on a standard PC (3 Ghz Core 2 Duo, 2GB RAM, 2 PCI LPT cards)? I hope you can comment on my quite unspecific questions. Greetings Flo -- This SF.net email is sponsored by: SourcForge Community SourceForge wants to tell your story. http://p.sf.net/sfu/sf-spreadtheword ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Quick question about the board ballots
Since they are all good; select or deselect by random number generator. Contrary to some uses of a rng you can't lose. ;-) D On Jan 23, 2009, at 10:45 AM, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Friday 23 January 2009, Dave Engvall wrote: >> Gene, >> Just think about it this way. There are NO bad choices. :-) >> Dave >> > Or no 'good choices' to remove either. Look, I know that a > committee soon has > too many argument to function, but couldn't we just go get 2 more > chairs? > > -- > Cheers, Gene > "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: > soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." > -Ed Howdershelt (Author) > Everyone has a purpose in life. Perhaps yours is watching television. > - David Letterman > > -- > > This SF.net email is sponsored by: > SourcForge Community > SourceForge wants to tell your story. > http://p.sf.net/sfu/sf-spreadtheword > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- This SF.net email is sponsored by: SourcForge Community SourceForge wants to tell your story. http://p.sf.net/sfu/sf-spreadtheword ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Quick question about the board ballots
On Friday 23 January 2009, Dave Engvall wrote: >Gene, >Just think about it this way. There are NO bad choices. :-) >Dave > Or no 'good choices' to remove either. Look, I know that a committee soon has too many argument to function, but couldn't we just go get 2 more chairs? -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Everyone has a purpose in life. Perhaps yours is watching television. - David Letterman -- This SF.net email is sponsored by: SourcForge Community SourceForge wants to tell your story. http://p.sf.net/sfu/sf-spreadtheword ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Quick question about the board ballots
On Jan 23, 2009, at Jan 23, 2009--8:22 AM, gene.hesk...@gmail.com wrote: > > My problem is that all the candidates are very good people, and I > just can't > bring myself to remove any of them. > > -- > Cheers, Gene Yeh, I thought about asking if we couldn't have seven directors. But there are so many people who contribute and have contributed, that a board couldn't function with all of them on it. Alan --- Alan Condit 1085 Tierra Ct. Woodburn, OR 97071 Email -- acon...@ipns.com Home-Office (503) 982-0906 -- This SF.net email is sponsored by: SourcForge Community SourceForge wants to tell your story. http://p.sf.net/sfu/sf-spreadtheword ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Rattling steppers losing steps
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Re: [Emc-users] Rattling steppers losing steps
It's worse than that -- in 2.2.x, stepconf will always use a mode called "doublestep", in which step pulse width is limited to 1/4 of the BASE_PERIOD by the hardware driver even though the GUI will appear to accept larger values. This is an unfortunate limitation, but the changes to stepconf to fix it are too invasive to be put in 2.2.x. For machines which require the step pulse width to be fairly wide, you're stuck hand-editing inifiles for the time being. By starting with the sample-configs "stepper" directory, you can add the appropriate "setp stepgen.#.steplen" settings to your pinout.hal file. Jeff -- This SF.net email is sponsored by: SourcForge Community SourceForge wants to tell your story. http://p.sf.net/sfu/sf-spreadtheword ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
[Emc-users] Rattling steppers losing steps
Gentlemen, now that I've got so far that my little PCB drilling machine is all set up with EMC2, she seemingly feels very uneasy. Compared to my former setup, driver board and everything being unchanged, the steppers rattle and lose steps and show all signs of maladjustment. The problem could be that I can't reduce pulse speed to less than 10 kHz (5 ns max. in stepconfig, basic information page, step time and step space settings each). My driver board accepts only 5 kHz at max. There must be a file somewhere containing the information that reduces the nanosecond entry to 5 when I try to set it higher. Where can I change the max. settings of stepconfig, so I will be able to test slow puls rates? Thanks in advance Peter Blodow -- This SF.net email is sponsored by: SourcForge Community SourceForge wants to tell your story. http://p.sf.net/sfu/sf-spreadtheword ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Quick question about the board ballots
At 11:22 AM 1/23/2009, you wrote: >My problem is that all the candidates are very good people, and I just can't >bring myself to remove any of them. > >-- >Cheers, Gene >"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: > soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." >-Ed Howdershelt (Author) >No man is useless who has a friend, and if we are loved we are indispensable. > -- Robert Louis Stevenson I had the same problem! ;-( Mark -- This SF.net email is sponsored by: SourcForge Community SourceForge wants to tell your story. http://p.sf.net/sfu/sf-spreadtheword ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Quick question about the board ballots
Gene, Just think about it this way. There are NO bad choices. :-) Dave On Jan 23, 2009, at 8:22 AM, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Friday 23 January 2009, Michael Cornelius wrote: >> On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 12:49:54AM -0500, Stephen Wille Padnos wrote: >>> One question: are quoting marks (leading '>') allowed between >>> (and on) >>> the BEGIN and END lines? >>> >>> Most mail clients will add them - just wondering if it matters >> >> Good question. Sorry I forgot to mention it. >> >> Quoting characters are allowed, and will not affect the ballot. >> >> >> Michael >> > My problem is that all the candidates are very good people, and I > just can't > bring myself to remove any of them. > > -- > Cheers, Gene > "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: > soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." > -Ed Howdershelt (Author) > No man is useless who has a friend, and if we are loved we are > indispensable. > -- Robert Louis Stevenson > > -- > > This SF.net email is sponsored by: > SourcForge Community > SourceForge wants to tell your story. > http://p.sf.net/sfu/sf-spreadtheword > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- This SF.net email is sponsored by: SourcForge Community SourceForge wants to tell your story. http://p.sf.net/sfu/sf-spreadtheword ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Quick question about the board ballots
On Friday 23 January 2009, Michael Cornelius wrote: >On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 12:49:54AM -0500, Stephen Wille Padnos wrote: >> One question: are quoting marks (leading '>') allowed between (and on) >> the BEGIN and END lines? >> >> Most mail clients will add them - just wondering if it matters > >Good question. Sorry I forgot to mention it. > >Quoting characters are allowed, and will not affect the ballot. > > >Michael > My problem is that all the candidates are very good people, and I just can't bring myself to remove any of them. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) No man is useless who has a friend, and if we are loved we are indispensable. -- Robert Louis Stevenson -- This SF.net email is sponsored by: SourcForge Community SourceForge wants to tell your story. http://p.sf.net/sfu/sf-spreadtheword ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Quick question about the board ballots
On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 12:49:54AM -0500, Stephen Wille Padnos wrote: > One question: are quoting marks (leading '>') allowed between (and on) > the BEGIN and END lines? > > Most mail clients will add them - just wondering if it matters Good question. Sorry I forgot to mention it. Quoting characters are allowed, and will not affect the ballot. Michael -- This SF.net email is sponsored by: SourcForge Community SourceForge wants to tell your story. http://p.sf.net/sfu/sf-spreadtheword ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
