Re: [Emc-users] Arduino as MPG and DRO for EMC
On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 11:18:10AM -0400, Colin Kingsbury wrote: In performance terms, the Arduino is definitely not the leader of the pack, but I've been in IT long enough to know the value of a large installed base. For one thing, a lot of people already have the boards laying around, which knocks $30 off the cost right there, and for anyone who wants to hack theirs, there's a ton of tutorials and resources out there to help them. And if nothing else, I am trying to keep the cost of this as far under $100 as I can. The avr processor family is more than adequate for human interfacing, a single axis controller, or a tool changer, as I expect you're finding. The 20 MHz parts are even overkill for some of these tasks. I don't see any Xmega macros in the latest Eagle Atmel component library. (I'll have to check up on device availability, and make one, one evening.) With up to three hardware quadrature decoders, and fancy PWM hardware, it is tempting to put a cpu and at least one H-bridge on a board, if only to gain familiarity with the newer sub-family. There seems to be widespread [AVR|Arduino] familiarity amongst EMC2 users, so there may be scope for cooperative development of useful modules. (Ah, but are we all using the GNU toolchain? ;-) Erik -- Beautiful is writing same markup. Internet Explorer 9 supports standards for HTML5, CSS3, SVG 1.1, ECMAScript5, and DOM L2 L3. Spend less time writing and rewriting code and more time creating great experiences on the web. Be a part of the beta today. http://p.sf.net/sfu/beautyoftheweb ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Arduino as MPG and DRO for EMC
On 14 October 2010 09:59, Erik Christiansen dva...@internode.on.net wrote: There seems to be widespread [AVR|Arduino] familiarity amongst EMC2 users, so there may be scope for cooperative development of useful modules. (Ah, but are we all using the GNU toolchain? ;-) Not me, I use the standard Arduino tools on my Mac. I have managed to persuade an Arduino to drive a Resolver-feedback 300V 3-phase BLDC servo (with no hall sensors) though. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyeJfNg3NfQ -- atp -- Beautiful is writing same markup. Internet Explorer 9 supports standards for HTML5, CSS3, SVG 1.1, ECMAScript5, and DOM L2 L3. Spend less time writing and rewriting code and more time creating great experiences on the web. Be a part of the beta today. http://p.sf.net/sfu/beautyoftheweb ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Arduino as MPG and DRO for EMC
2010/10/14 Andy Pugh a...@andypugh.fsnet.co.uk Not me, I use the standard Arduino tools on my Mac. I have managed to persuade an Arduino to drive a Resolver-feedback 300V 3-phase BLDC servo (with no hall sensors) though. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyeJfNg3NfQ Pretty awesome I would say! Nice work you guys have done. I have a bunch of Arduino's at home, they are clever little pieces and I'm still amazed by the things people tend to put together with these cards. Not very CNC'ish, but I'm doing a controller for a VP37 Bosch diesel pump, Arduino of course. :) -- Beautiful is writing same markup. Internet Explorer 9 supports standards for HTML5, CSS3, SVG 1.1, ECMAScript5, and DOM L2 L3. Spend less time writing and rewriting code and more time creating great experiences on the web. Be a part of the beta today. http://p.sf.net/sfu/beautyoftheweb ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Arduino as MPG and DRO for EMC
Le jeudi 14 octobre 2010 à 14:26 +0200, Sven Wesley a écrit : Not very CNC'ish, but I'm doing a controller for a VP37 Bosch diesel pump, Arduino of course. :) - hey, this souds VERY interresting to me. I planned long time ago to do my own VP pump controller, but never had time to... -- Beautiful is writing same markup. Internet Explorer 9 supports standards for HTML5, CSS3, SVG 1.1, ECMAScript5, and DOM L2 L3. Spend less time writing and rewriting code and more time creating great experiences on the web. Be a part of the beta today. http://p.sf.net/sfu/beautyoftheweb ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Arduino as MPG and DRO for EMC
On 14 October 2010 13:26, Sven Wesley svenne.d...@gmail.com wrote: Not very CNC'ish, but I'm doing a controller for a VP37 Bosch diesel pump, Arduino of course. :) I think I would be looking at an EEC IV for that. http://kvitek.com/ford/ -- atp -- Beautiful is writing same markup. Internet Explorer 9 supports standards for HTML5, CSS3, SVG 1.1, ECMAScript5, and DOM L2 L3. Spend less time writing and rewriting code and more time creating great experiences on the web. Be a part of the beta today. http://p.sf.net/sfu/beautyoftheweb ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Arduino as MPG and DRO for EMC
Le jeudi 14 octobre 2010 à 13:46 +0100, Andy Pugh a écrit : On 14 October 2010 13:26, Sven Wesley svenne.d...@gmail.com wrote: Not very CNC'ish, but I'm doing a controller for a VP37 Bosch diesel pump, Arduino of course. :) I think I would be looking at an EEC IV for that. http://kvitek.com/ford/ looks like EEC is the MCU for gasoline engine control, not diesel. some basical routines may be similar, but the injection control is totally different. (at least for old VP pumps ) -- Beautiful is writing same markup. Internet Explorer 9 supports standards for HTML5, CSS3, SVG 1.1, ECMAScript5, and DOM L2 L3. Spend less time writing and rewriting code and more time creating great experiences on the web. Be a part of the beta today. http://p.sf.net/sfu/beautyoftheweb ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Arduino as MPG and DRO for EMC
2010/10/14 yann jautard brico...@free.fr Le jeudi 14 octobre 2010 à 13:46 +0100, Andy Pugh a écrit : On 14 October 2010 13:26, Sven Wesley svenne.d...@gmail.com wrote: Not very CNC'ish, but I'm doing a controller for a VP37 Bosch diesel pump, Arduino of course. :) I think I would be looking at an EEC IV for that. http://kvitek.com/ford/ looks like EEC is the MCU for gasoline engine control, not diesel. some basical routines may be similar, but the injection control is totally different. (at least for old VP pumps ) Off topic, but yes, the routines for manipulating a diesel system is way more simple than a gasoline EFI. For gas cars I've been using Megasquirt which is open and really rich in functionality. My project only aims for the Bosch pump. On the other hand a lot of diesel engines uses them. -- Beautiful is writing same markup. Internet Explorer 9 supports standards for HTML5, CSS3, SVG 1.1, ECMAScript5, and DOM L2 L3. Spend less time writing and rewriting code and more time creating great experiences on the web. Be a part of the beta today. http://p.sf.net/sfu/beautyoftheweb ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Arduino as MPG and DRO for EMC
On 14 October 2010 14:07, yann jautard brico...@free.fr wrote: I think I would be looking at an EEC IV for that. http://kvitek.com/ford/ looks like EEC is the MCU for gasoline engine control, not diesel. some basical routines may be similar, but the injection control is totally different. (at least for old VP pumps ) I was meaning that it could be used as a general purpose rugged computing device. It has a lot of short-circuit proof outputs, PWM generators, CAN interfaces etc etc already built in. It is readily programmable in C. We have used them as data-loggers in modern (2011 model year) diesel cars with some success, there is even a company that uses them for this on a commercial basis. ( http://avtk.com/ ) Plus, I keep seeing them in the scrap bin at work. -- atp -- Beautiful is writing same markup. Internet Explorer 9 supports standards for HTML5, CSS3, SVG 1.1, ECMAScript5, and DOM L2 L3. Spend less time writing and rewriting code and more time creating great experiences on the web. Be a part of the beta today. http://p.sf.net/sfu/beautyoftheweb ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Arduino as MPG and DRO for EMC
On 14 October 2010 14:26, Sven Wesley svenne.d...@gmail.com wrote: Off topic, but yes, the routines for manipulating a diesel system is way more simple than a gasoline EFI. That rather depends in the diesel... A common-rail, multi-injection, variable-geometry turbo, variable EGR (with cooler bypass), Cat and DPF-equipped diesel is a lot more complicated than a gasoline engine. I agree that if all you have is electronically variable cut-off on a mechanical pump then it is simpler, though. (I program diesel ECUs for Ford) -- atp -- Beautiful is writing same markup. Internet Explorer 9 supports standards for HTML5, CSS3, SVG 1.1, ECMAScript5, and DOM L2 L3. Spend less time writing and rewriting code and more time creating great experiences on the web. Be a part of the beta today. http://p.sf.net/sfu/beautyoftheweb ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Arduino as MPG and DRO for EMC
On 10/14/2010 9:37 AM, Andy Pugh wrote: On 14 October 2010 14:07, yann jautardbrico...@free.fr wrote: I think I would be looking at an EEC IV for that. http://kvitek.com/ford/ looks like EEC is the MCU for gasoline engine control, not diesel. some basical routines may be similar, but the injection control is totally different. (at least for old VP pumps ) I was meaning that it could be used as a general purpose rugged computing device. It has a lot of short-circuit proof outputs, PWM generators, CAN interfaces etc etc already built in. It is readily programmable in C. We have used them as data-loggers in modern (2011 model year) diesel cars with some success, there is even a company that uses them for this on a commercial basis. ( http://avtk.com/ ) Plus, I keep seeing them in the scrap bin at work. Any idea how expensive their software and devices are? That company is close to my parents house. Is there any open source support for the EEC IV ? Dave -- Beautiful is writing same markup. Internet Explorer 9 supports standards for HTML5, CSS3, SVG 1.1, ECMAScript5, and DOM L2 L3. Spend less time writing and rewriting code and more time creating great experiences on the web. Be a part of the beta today. http://p.sf.net/sfu/beautyoftheweb ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Arduino as MPG and DRO for EMC
On 14 October 2010 16:23, Dave e...@dc9.tzo.com wrote: Any idea how expensive their software and devices are? Probably Very and the software only really does logging. I had a look at the version we have here (before he left Ford and set up on his own) and it seems like all the IO is memory mapped and trivial to access (if you have the memory map) Is there any open source support for the EEC IV ? I have the impression that there is, perhaps start with that kvitek page? -- atp -- Beautiful is writing same markup. Internet Explorer 9 supports standards for HTML5, CSS3, SVG 1.1, ECMAScript5, and DOM L2 L3. Spend less time writing and rewriting code and more time creating great experiences on the web. Be a part of the beta today. http://p.sf.net/sfu/beautyoftheweb ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Arduino as MPG and DRO for EMC
On 10/14/2010 11:58 AM, Andy Pugh wrote: On 14 October 2010 16:23, Davee...@dc9.tzo.com wrote: Any idea how expensive their software and devices are? Probably Very and the software only really does logging. I had a look at the version we have here (before he left Ford and set up on his own) and it seems like all the IO is memory mapped and trivial to access (if you have the memory map) Is there any open source support for the EEC IV ? I have the impression that there is, perhaps start with that kvitek page? I missed the links on that Kvitek page.. thanks for pointing that out. I wonder how difficult debugging is with that software? Are all of the EEC IV's pretty much the same? Those can't be very expensive with all of the junked Ford cars around here. Any idea if that book on that web page is any good? Dave -- Beautiful is writing same markup. Internet Explorer 9 supports standards for HTML5, CSS3, SVG 1.1, ECMAScript5, and DOM L2 L3. Spend less time writing and rewriting code and more time creating great experiences on the web. Be a part of the beta today. http://p.sf.net/sfu/beautyoftheweb ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Arduino as MPG and DRO for EMC
On 14 October 2010 17:18, Dave e...@dc9.tzo.com wrote: I wonder how difficult debugging is with that software? Are all of the EEC IV's pretty much the same? Those can't be very expensive with all of the junked Ford cars around here. Any idea if that book on that web page is any good? I have no real idea about any of those questions, but eBay has a few. The ones we were using looked like this: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/FORD-SIERRA-1992-K-2-0-GLS-5-DOOR-EEC-IV-MODULE-/200529720188 -- atp -- Beautiful is writing same markup. Internet Explorer 9 supports standards for HTML5, CSS3, SVG 1.1, ECMAScript5, and DOM L2 L3. Spend less time writing and rewriting code and more time creating great experiences on the web. Be a part of the beta today. http://p.sf.net/sfu/beautyoftheweb ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Arduino as MPG and DRO for EMC
On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 5:12 AM, Andy Pugh a...@andypugh.fsnet.co.ukwrote: On 14 October 2010 09:59, Erik Christiansen dva...@internode.on.net wrote: There seems to be widespread [AVR|Arduino] familiarity amongst EMC2 users, so there may be scope for cooperative development of useful modules. (Ah, but are we all using the GNU toolchain? ;-) Not me, I use the standard Arduino tools on my Mac. FYI, Arduino does use the Gnu tools, it just hides them behind a nice set of macros that hide some of the complexities of C. -- Beautiful is writing same markup. Internet Explorer 9 supports standards for HTML5, CSS3, SVG 1.1, ECMAScript5, and DOM L2 L3. Spend less time writing and rewriting code and more time creating great experiences on the web. Be a part of the beta today. http://p.sf.net/sfu/beautyoftheweb ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Arduino as MPG and DRO for EMC
2010/10/14 Andy Pugh a...@andypugh.fsnet.co.uk On 14 October 2010 14:26, Sven Wesley svenne.d...@gmail.com wrote: Off topic, but yes, the routines for manipulating a diesel system is way more simple than a gasoline EFI. That rather depends in the diesel... A common-rail, multi-injection, variable-geometry turbo, variable EGR (with cooler bypass), Cat and DPF-equipped diesel is a lot more complicated than a gasoline engine. I agree that if all you have is electronically variable cut-off on a mechanical pump then it is simpler, though. (I program diesel ECUs for Ford) -- atp My project is not aiming to compete with a Common Rail, I want to be able to _replace_ a mechanical pump with a VP37 or replace the entire electronical control for a Bosch VP when swapping a TDI into another vehicle. The first generation TDI controllers from the 90's up to early 200x are really slow CPU's and an Ardo is way faster. I'm more or less copying the original EFI but with tuning capability. Sorry for the off topic - again. Did I mention a friend made a simple tool changer with an Ardo? :) -- Beautiful is writing same markup. Internet Explorer 9 supports standards for HTML5, CSS3, SVG 1.1, ECMAScript5, and DOM L2 L3. Spend less time writing and rewriting code and more time creating great experiences on the web. Be a part of the beta today. http://p.sf.net/sfu/beautyoftheweb ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
[Emc-users] In what the reason?
Hi everybody. I have such situation: PCI card I/O Sansoray + Servoamplifier AMC + servomotor Magmotor. All it can work well in a current of 1-2 weeks, then at any moment motor is suddenly overheated ( in time 5-10 min) and dies. I replaced 2 motors in a current of month. The servoamplifier and cables are serviceable, a supply voltage in norm. I will be grateful to all who has any ideas on this situation Thanks ,Andrey -- Beautiful is writing same markup. Internet Explorer 9 supports standards for HTML5, CSS3, SVG 1.1, ECMAScript5, and DOM L2 L3. Spend less time writing and rewriting code and more time creating great experiences on the web. Be a part of the beta today. http://p.sf.net/sfu/beautyoftheweb ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] In what the reason?
Is there any vibration when motor overheats? Are you using velocity mode? io On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 1:50 PM, Andrey stormbringe...@mail.ru wrote: Hi everybody. I have such situation: PCI card I/O Sansoray + Servoamplifier AMC + servomotor Magmotor. All it can work well in a current of 1-2 weeks, then at any moment motor is suddenly overheated ( in time 5-10 min) and dies. I replaced 2 motors in a current of month. The servoamplifier and cables are serviceable, a supply voltage in norm. I will be grateful to all who has any ideas on this situation Thanks ,Andrey -- Beautiful is writing same markup. Internet Explorer 9 supports standards for HTML5, CSS3, SVG 1.1, ECMAScript5, and DOM L2 L3. Spend less time writing and rewriting code and more time creating great experiences on the web. Be a part of the beta today. http://p.sf.net/sfu/beautyoftheweb ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Beautiful is writing same markup. Internet Explorer 9 supports standards for HTML5, CSS3, SVG 1.1, ECMAScript5, and DOM L2 L3. Spend less time writing and rewriting code and more time creating great experiences on the web. Be a part of the beta today. http://p.sf.net/sfu/beautyoftheweb ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] In what the reason?
On Thursday, October 14, 2010 04:33:49 pm Andrey did opine: Hi everybody. I have such situation: PCI card I/O Sansoray + Servoamplifier AMC + servomotor Magmotor. All it can work well in a current of 1-2 weeks, then at any moment motor is suddenly overheated ( in time 5-10 min) and dies. I replaced 2 motors in a current of month. The servoamplifier and cables are serviceable, a supply voltage in norm. Were these two motors that failed both on the same servoamp? And do you have more than one axis so that you have a comparison? I will be grateful to all who has any ideas on this situation Thanks ,Andrey -- Beautiful is writing same markup. Internet Explorer 9 supports standards for HTML5, CSS3, SVG 1.1, ECMAScript5, and DOM L2 L3. Spend less time writing and rewriting code and more time creating great experiences on the web. Be a part of the beta today. http://p.sf.net/sfu/beautyoftheweb ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Cheers, Gene There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) I am ecstatic that some moron re-invented a 1995 windows fuckup. -- Alan Cox -- Beautiful is writing same markup. Internet Explorer 9 supports standards for HTML5, CSS3, SVG 1.1, ECMAScript5, and DOM L2 L3. Spend less time writing and rewriting code and more time creating great experiences on the web. Be a part of the beta today. http://p.sf.net/sfu/beautyoftheweb ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] In what the reason?
Hi Andrey What parts did you do when the motors died ? Did you use the same program? Or Was it the same kind of load or the same kind of movement? Maybe your amp is not propery matched to the motor and on some movements/loads emits way to much ampers? What kind of cooling do you have on the motor? /ulf Am 14.10.2010 20:50, schrieb Andrey: Hi everybody. I have such situation: PCI card I/O Sansoray + Servoamplifier AMC + servomotor Magmotor. All it can work well in a current of 1-2 weeks, then at any moment motor is suddenly overheated ( in time 5-10 min) and dies. I replaced 2 motors in a current of month. The servoamplifier and cables are serviceable, a supply voltage in norm. I will be grateful to all who has any ideas on this situation Thanks ,Andrey -- Download new Adobe(R) Flash(R) Builder(TM) 4 The new Adobe(R) Flex(R) 4 and Flash(R) Builder(TM) 4 (formerly Flex(R) Builder(TM)) enable the development of rich applications that run across multiple browsers and platforms. Download your free trials today! http://p.sf.net/sfu/adobe-dev2dev ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Arduino as MPG and DRO for EMC
Being a user of pic microcontrollers, I am a little curious about Arduino. I will have to look into what it is all about. Always enjoy the projects that people have! Will Baden Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 14:26:46 +0200 From: svenne.d...@gmail.com To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Arduino as MPG and DRO for EMC 2010/10/14 Andy Pugh a...@andypugh.fsnet.co.uk Not me, I use the standard Arduino tools on my Mac. I have managed to persuade an Arduino to drive a Resolver-feedback 300V 3-phase BLDC servo (with no hall sensors) though. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyeJfNg3NfQ Pretty awesome I would say! Nice work you guys have done. I have a bunch of Arduino's at home, they are clever little pieces and I'm still amazed by the things people tend to put together with these cards. Not very CNC'ish, but I'm doing a controller for a VP37 Bosch diesel pump, Arduino of course. :) -- Beautiful is writing same markup. Internet Explorer 9 supports standards for HTML5, CSS3, SVG 1.1, ECMAScript5, and DOM L2 L3. Spend less time writing and rewriting code and more time creating great experiences on the web. Be a part of the beta today. http://p.sf.net/sfu/beautyoftheweb ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Download new Adobe(R) Flash(R) Builder(TM) 4 The new Adobe(R) Flex(R) 4 and Flash(R) Builder(TM) 4 (formerly Flex(R) Builder(TM)) enable the development of rich applications that run across multiple browsers and platforms. Download your free trials today! http://p.sf.net/sfu/adobe-dev2dev ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] In what the reason?
Hi! All thanks for answers. I can make some explanatories to this problem. Milling mashine has 3 axes. The motor on axis Y Fails only. All of axes have identical servoamplifiers and motors. The motor on axis Y does not vibrate and does not rustle, all 3 axes have identical PID adjustments. Ulf, the death of the motor occurs on different executed programs. Amp is matched to the motor. Thanks, Andrey -- Download new Adobe(R) Flash(R) Builder(TM) 4 The new Adobe(R) Flex(R) 4 and Flash(R) Builder(TM) 4 (formerly Flex(R) Builder(TM)) enable the development of rich applications that run across multiple browsers and platforms. Download your free trials today! http://p.sf.net/sfu/adobe-dev2dev ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
