Re: [Emc-users] Can I rigid tap with a BOTTOMING tap?

2011-03-25 Thread Dave Caroline
Depends if it is a machine tap, hand taps dont have the spiral to
clear the chips,
worse would be tolerance of the hole bottom depth, A, dont hit it. B,
leave space for chips
Use a machine tap that clears chips back up the flutes.


Dave Caroline

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Re: [Emc-users] Can I rigid tap with a BOTTOMING tap?

2011-03-25 Thread Roland Jollivet
Why not use a thread mill?

I was wondering about them, in that instead of taps, one could fashion their
own mini fly cutter from HSS for thread milling. It will take a lot longer
to cut the thread, but for hobby CNC milling time is not usually a problem.

Regards
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Re: [Emc-users] Can I rigid tap with a BOTTOMING tap?

2011-03-25 Thread Steve Blackmore
On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 07:46:02 +, you wrote:

Depends if it is a machine tap, hand taps dont have the spiral to
clear the chips,
worse would be tolerance of the hole bottom depth, A, dont hit it. B,
leave space for chips
Use a machine tap that clears chips back up the flutes.

Just to add to Dave's message

There are three major types of machine taps

Spiral Flute - as referred to by Dave with those provisos, the spiral
flute although they clear much of the chips back up the hole still need
some end clearance.

Spiral Point - for through holes

Roll form taps - no chips to clear :) You can tap much nearer the bottom
of a blind hole, the only thing to be careful of is using the correct
tapping drill and some lube/coolant.

Steve Blackmore
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Re: [Emc-users] What options do I have for a small CNC lathe project

2011-03-25 Thread andy pugh
On 25 March 2011 03:26, Jon Elson el...@pico-systems.com wrote:

 Many typical CNC lathes are much less flexible than a typical manual
 lathe.

The best choices may be the various training lathes which were
factory conversions of manual machines.
(Google for Harrison T280 for an example) or this Boxford on eBay:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/BOXFORD-ACL-CNC-LATHE-/150580147903

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[Emc-users] Square corners With G41/G42

2011-03-25 Thread Les Newell
I have a question about G41/G42 tool radius compensation. Normally when 
you have an outside corner while using radius comp, an arc gets added 
around the corner. While this is the best technique for milling/routing 
and turning it isn't ideal for plasma/flame/waterjet cutting. With jet 
cutting the jet exit point trails behind the entry point. In a straight 
line this does not matter but when you go around a corner the trailing 
exit point tends to cut the corner. If the corner is squared off this 
gives more opportunity for the jet to catch up making the corner sharper.

Is this possible in EMC?

Les

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Re: [Emc-users] Square corners With G41/G42

2011-03-25 Thread Alex Joni
Not currently, this would probably come from CAM for best results.
I've seen some CAM systems that allow adding outside loops for sharpest 
corners (so you go past the endpoint, then do a loop in the scrap material, 
and enter the endpoint with the new cutting direction).

Regards,
Alex

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Subject: [Emc-users] Square corners With G41/G42


I have a question about G41/G42 tool radius compensation. Normally when
 you have an outside corner while using radius comp, an arc gets added
 around the corner. While this is the best technique for milling/routing
 and turning it isn't ideal for plasma/flame/waterjet cutting. With jet
 cutting the jet exit point trails behind the entry point. In a straight
 line this does not matter but when you go around a corner the trailing
 exit point tends to cut the corner. If the corner is squared off this
 gives more opportunity for the jet to catch up making the corner sharper.

 Is this possible in EMC?

 Les



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Re: [Emc-users] What options do I have for a small CNC lathe project

2011-03-25 Thread John Thornton
One option and I'm still considering it for my Samson lathe is to build 
a small X Z table to clamp onto the ways for CNC work and be able to use 
the manual tooling for long work. This seems more feasible the more I 
think about it and once I get my lathe over to my new shop I think I'll 
give it a go.

John

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 I am thinking about getting a CNC lathe to replace my 6913 clausing. Just
 thinking.

 What options do I have to not exceed the footprint of the Clausing? I would
 say, I can fit something in the footprint of 50x80 inches.

 It should be something that I can power from single phase (20 HP spindles
 are out).

 I would like to also buy something with a busted control, and retrofit with
 EMC2.

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Re: [Emc-users] What options do I have for a small CNC lathe project

2011-03-25 Thread andy pugh
On 25 March 2011 10:26, John Thornton bjt...@gmail.com wrote:
 One option and I'm still considering it for my Samson lathe is to build
 a small X Z table to clamp onto the ways for CNC work and be able to use
 the manual tooling for long work.

CNC-converting the Z of a manual lathe is trivial (and if you put the
servo on the tailstock end, non intrusive). If you replace the
leadscrew with a ballsrew with a fast enough lead then the power feeds
will still work (assuming they are on a separate shaft). Alternatively
you could make the nut demountable and park it at one end.. I doubt
you would _ever_ thread cut manually so losing that option seems a
non-issue.

I admit that motorizing the X is harder, and does rather assume that
you can find/make space for a ballnut. One option there is to mount a
ballnut off the back of the slide if there is not enough space under
the slide. (This wasn't an option for me as the milling column was in
the way). You can then put the thrust-bearings in a modified handwheel
housing, and probably a belt-drive for a servo too.
I used _some_ of these ideas on my lathe
(http://www.cnczone.com/forums/mini_lathe/63621-mini_lathe_cross_slide_ballscrew-2.html
) as I was keen to retain manual use.

I have never used it manually, as the lathe macros make CNC use so
much easier than manual use.

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Re: [Emc-users] What options do I have for a small CNC lathe project

2011-03-25 Thread Roland Jollivet
I think that most people try to get too big a ballscrew into the X for
retro-fits. Go for a far smaller option, and there should be enough space.
If you use a manual lathe often, you'll be surprised at how little force is
required to feed the X, even on heavy cuts, considering too, that it's a
square/trapezoidal thread.

Regards
Roland



On 25 March 2011 12:41, andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 25 March 2011 10:26, John Thornton bjt...@gmail.com wrote:
  One option and I'm still considering it for my Samson lathe is to build
  a small X Z table to clamp onto the ways for CNC work and be able to use
  the manual tooling for long work.

 CNC-converting the Z of a manual lathe is trivial (and if you put the
 servo on the tailstock end, non intrusive). If you replace the
 leadscrew with a ballsrew with a fast enough lead then the power feeds
 will still work (assuming they are on a separate shaft). Alternatively
 you could make the nut demountable and park it at one end.. I doubt
 you would _ever_ thread cut manually so losing that option seems a
 non-issue.

 I admit that motorizing the X is harder, and does rather assume that
 you can find/make space for a ballnut. One option there is to mount a
 ballnut off the back of the slide if there is not enough space under
 the slide. (This wasn't an option for me as the milling column was in
 the way). You can then put the thrust-bearings in a modified handwheel
 housing, and probably a belt-drive for a servo too.
 I used _some_ of these ideas on my lathe
 (
 http://www.cnczone.com/forums/mini_lathe/63621-mini_lathe_cross_slide_ballscrew-2.html
 ) as I was keen to retain manual use.

 I have never used it manually, as the lathe macros make CNC use so
 much easier than manual use.

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Re: [Emc-users] Can I rigid tap with a BOTTOMING tap?

2011-03-25 Thread Marshland Engineering
You can tap with a bottom tap. It all depends on the pilot hole. If you make it 
a bit larger, the bottom tap will work. 

Sometimes when you have a deep threaded hole, (depth  3D) there will be enough 
material left to hold the screw.

If it is not deep, start with the first tape and finish with a bottom.  

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[Emc-users] OT: MPG format

2011-03-25 Thread Roland Jollivet
Hi All

I'm looking at manufacturing low cost OEM MPG's and just wanted to field
opinion on the wheel.

Some have a knob on them, while others have a few indents in the wheel.
Personally I see the indent as preferable, as in not getting bumped/bent,
but just wanted to see if there was some consensus or convincing arguments
for either.
Since this list has the brightest people around, I thought it's the best
place to ask ;-)

Yes, best option is to provide both.

Regards
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Re: [Emc-users] OT: MPG format

2011-03-25 Thread Mark Wendt
The knob comes in real handy when making large moves on the machine, 
while the indents, or other knurled edges give a nice, tactile feel 
when making small, movements.  I've got both on my MPG, and I like 
having both for the reasons stated.

Mark

On 03/25/2011 07:15 AM, Roland Jollivet wrote:
 Hi All

 I'm looking at manufacturing low cost OEM MPG's and just wanted to field
 opinion on the wheel.

 Some have a knob on them, while others have a few indents in the wheel.
 Personally I see the indent as preferable, as in not getting bumped/bent,
 but just wanted to see if there was some consensus or convincing arguments
 for either.
 Since this list has the brightest people around, I thought it's the best
 place to ask ;-)

 Yes, best option is to provide both.

 Regards
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Re: [Emc-users] OT: MPG format

2011-03-25 Thread John Thornton
I ain't very bright but I prefer the little knob + straight knurls on 
the side and positive stops between pulses. My BP Disovery 308 is a 
smooth spinning one and smaller in diameter than normal and I don't like 
it as much as the rest of them that have the little stops which I assume 
is a spring loaded ball or something.

John

Roland Jollivet wrote:
 Hi All

 I'm looking at manufacturing low cost OEM MPG's and just wanted to field
 opinion on the wheel.

 Some have a knob on them, while others have a few indents in the wheel.
 Personally I see the indent as preferable, as in not getting bumped/bent,
 but just wanted to see if there was some consensus or convincing arguments
 for either.
 Since this list has the brightest people around, I thought it's the best
 place to ask ;-)

 Yes, best option is to provide both.

 Regards
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Re: [Emc-users] OT: MPG format

2011-03-25 Thread Roland Jollivet
Oops, no, I meant large indents.

And not to confuse things, my understanding is;
detent is the click you feel between steps
indent is a 1/2in cavity for the tip of the finger
knurl is the serrations at the edge of the wheel
and knobs is the little nob mounted on the wheel that you grip with two
fingers.

My query, fundamentally, is the option between the knob, or the indent.

Simply as visual examples, this has knurls and a knob;
http://www.iowacitylist.com/Tools-/Fanuc-manual-pulse-generator-mpg-A860-0201-T002.HTM

This one has indents;
http://cgi.ebay.com/OEM-Akai-MPC-2000-Jog-Shuttle-Wheel-/170619464585?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item27b9b66b89


Regards
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On 25 March 2011 13:22, Mark Wendt mark.we...@nrl.navy.mil wrote:

 The knob comes in real handy when making large moves on the machine,
 while the indents, or other knurled edges give a nice, tactile feel
 when making small, movements.  I've got both on my MPG, and I like
 having both for the reasons stated.

 Mark

 On 03/25/2011 07:15 AM, Roland Jollivet wrote:
  Hi All
 
  I'm looking at manufacturing low cost OEM MPG's and just wanted to field
  opinion on the wheel.
 
  Some have a knob on them, while others have a few indents in the wheel.
  Personally I see the indent as preferable, as in not getting bumped/bent,
  but just wanted to see if there was some consensus or convincing
 arguments
  for either.
  Since this list has the brightest people around, I thought it's the best
  place to ask ;-)
 
  Yes, best option is to provide both.
 
  Regards
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Re: [Emc-users] OT: MPG format

2011-03-25 Thread Mark Wendt
Either way, the knob for me.

Mark

On 03/25/2011 08:06 AM, Roland Jollivet wrote:
 Oops, no, I meant large indents.

 And not to confuse things, my understanding is;
 detent is the click you feel between steps
 indent is a 1/2in cavity for the tip of the finger
 knurl is the serrations at the edge of the wheel
 and knobs is the little nob mounted on the wheel that you grip with two
 fingers.

 My query, fundamentally, is the option between the knob, or the indent.

 Simply as visual examples, this has knurls and a knob;
 http://www.iowacitylist.com/Tools-/Fanuc-manual-pulse-generator-mpg-A860-0201-T002.HTM

 This one has indents;
 http://cgi.ebay.com/OEM-Akai-MPC-2000-Jog-Shuttle-Wheel-/170619464585?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item27b9b66b89


 Regards
 Roland




 On 25 March 2011 13:22, Mark Wendtmark.we...@nrl.navy.mil  wrote:

 The knob comes in real handy when making large moves on the machine,
 while the indents, or other knurled edges give a nice, tactile feel
 when making small, movements.  I've got both on my MPG, and I like
 having both for the reasons stated.

 Mark

 On 03/25/2011 07:15 AM, Roland Jollivet wrote:
 Hi All

 I'm looking at manufacturing low cost OEM MPG's and just wanted to field
 opinion on the wheel.

 Some have a knob on them, while others have a few indents in the wheel.
 Personally I see the indent as preferable, as in not getting bumped/bent,
 but just wanted to see if there was some consensus or convincing
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 Since this list has the brightest people around, I thought it's the best
 place to ask ;-)

 Yes, best option is to provide both.

 Regards
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Re: [Emc-users] OT: MPG format

2011-03-25 Thread John Thornton
It's a knob for me like this one that spins as you rotate.

http://cgi.ebay.com/CNC-Handwheel-100-MPG-Rotary-Maunal-Pulse-Generator-/150581143315?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item230f55e713

John

Roland Jollivet wrote:
 Oops, no, I meant large indents.

 And not to confuse things, my understanding is;
 detent is the click you feel between steps
 indent is a 1/2in cavity for the tip of the finger
 knurl is the serrations at the edge of the wheel
 and knobs is the little nob mounted on the wheel that you grip with two
 fingers.

 My query, fundamentally, is the option between the knob, or the indent.

 Simply as visual examples, this has knurls and a knob;
 http://www.iowacitylist.com/Tools-/Fanuc-manual-pulse-generator-mpg-A860-0201-T002.HTM

 This one has indents;
 http://cgi.ebay.com/OEM-Akai-MPC-2000-Jog-Shuttle-Wheel-/170619464585?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item27b9b66b89


 Regards
 Roland




 On 25 March 2011 13:22, Mark Wendtmark.we...@nrl.navy.mil  wrote:


 The knob comes in real handy when making large moves on the machine,
 while the indents, or other knurled edges give a nice, tactile feel
 when making small, movements.  I've got both on my MPG, and I like
 having both for the reasons stated.

 Mark

 On 03/25/2011 07:15 AM, Roland Jollivet wrote:
  
 Hi All

 I'm looking at manufacturing low cost OEM MPG's and just wanted to field
 opinion on the wheel.

 Some have a knob on them, while others have a few indents in the wheel.
 Personally I see the indent as preferable, as in not getting bumped/bent,
 but just wanted to see if there was some consensus or convincing

 arguments
  
 for either.
 Since this list has the brightest people around, I thought it's the best
 place to ask ;-)

 Yes, best option is to provide both.

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Re: [Emc-users] Can I rigid tap with a BOTTOMING tap?

2011-03-25 Thread andy pugh
On 25 March 2011 11:10, Marshland Engineering marshl...@marshland.co.nz wrote:

 If it is not deep, start with the first tape and finish with a bottom.

This was discussed a few weeks ago, and I think it was decided that
2-hit rigid tapping was possible, but setting up the taps in the
toolholders would be challenging.

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[Emc-users] Installation problem and solution :)

2011-03-25 Thread Tony Zampini
Hi guys,

I wanted to share a solution to a problem I had while
trying to install the 10.04 LiveCD to a new clean hard drive.

First, I downloaded the ISO file and verified the MD5 checksum.
I then burned the LiveCD ISO image to a CD.

The problem came when I tried to boot from the LiveCD. The
behavior was sporadic. Sometimes it would boot fine, whereas
othertimes it would hang, and still other times it would boot,
but I'd get dialog box error messages toward the end of the boot
process. These error messages were related to GNOME - FastSwitchingApplet, or 
something similar. Sometimes, I
would get 3 of these errors, other times, more than 6.

I have a rather old 8X CD rom drive, and it seemed like it
took a long time to complete the boot - like 15 minutes.

So I sought another approach. Using this program:
http://sourceforge.net/projects/unetbootin/files/UNetbootin/Custom/unetbootin-eeeubuntu-windows-276.exe/download
I was able to burn the ISO image to a USB Flash drive.

Now, after configuring my PC's BIOS to boot from a USB drive, I proceeded
with the install, and all went well.

I hope this helps others.

BTW, do any of you Linux/GNOME gurus know what the above errors mean?

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Re: [Emc-users] OT: MPG format

2011-03-25 Thread Peter Blodow
If I only knew what a MPG is - in Germany it means Max Planck 
Gesellschaft which is one of the world's best research institutes...
Peter Blodow




Roland Jollivet schrieb:
 Hi All

 I'm looking at manufacturing low cost OEM MPG's and just wanted to field
 opinion on the wheel.

 Some have a knob on them, while others have a few indents in the wheel.
 Personally I see the indent as preferable, as in not getting bumped/bent,
 but just wanted to see if there was some consensus or convincing arguments
 for either.
 Since this list has the brightest people around, I thought it's the best
 place to ask ;-)

 Yes, best option is to provide both.

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Re: [Emc-users] OT: MPG format

2011-03-25 Thread Colin K
Roland,

You might be interested in some of the work I've done on this:
http://ckcnc.wordpress.com/2011/02/13/we-have-a-winner/

I solved the problem by adding a 25-key keypad, so there's both an MPG and
buttons for continuous feed of any axis. I think the continuous feed is very
useful for using the mill in pseudo-manual mode.

I've experimented with a variety of encoders for the MPG, and I definitely
prefer detents. So far, my favorite of the bunch is a Grayhill 32-count
encoder, which retails for $26 at the usual places going down to I think
half that in quantities of 100. It's an optical encoder so the output is
very clean and reliable. I've also experimented with some mechanical ones
that cost closer to $3 each, but they are less reliable; that is, if you
move them slowly, one click = one pulse, but if you start rotating them at a
steady rate, 10 clicks might equal 5 or 8 pulses. This was with no effort to
smooth the signal in any way, so YMMV.

The hardest part for me has been the keypad. The approach I've done in the
video linked above actually feels nicer in the hand than it looks, and while
not NEMA-rated, should hold up well for ordinary usage. But it's fussy to
fabricate and have it not look, well, homemade. Membrane keypads would
simplify this greatly, but at non-trivial cost, and without the benefit of
allowing end-users to make their own custom keypads.

On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 7:15 AM, Roland Jollivet
roland.jolli...@gmail.comwrote:

 Hi All

 I'm looking at manufacturing low cost OEM MPG's and just wanted to field
 opinion on the wheel.

 Some have a knob on them, while others have a few indents in the wheel.
 Personally I see the indent as preferable, as in not getting bumped/bent,
 but just wanted to see if there was some consensus or convincing arguments
 for either.
 Since this list has the brightest people around, I thought it's the best
 place to ask ;-)

 Yes, best option is to provide both.

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Re: [Emc-users] OT: MPG format

2011-03-25 Thread Igor Chudov
manual pulse generator
also
Miles per Gallon

On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 9:34 AM, Peter Blodow p.blo...@dreki.de wrote:

 If I only knew what a MPG is - in Germany it means Max Planck
 Gesellschaft which is one of the world's best research institutes...
 Peter Blodow




 Roland Jollivet schrieb:
  Hi All
 
  I'm looking at manufacturing low cost OEM MPG's and just wanted to field
  opinion on the wheel.
 
  Some have a knob on them, while others have a few indents in the wheel.
  Personally I see the indent as preferable, as in not getting bumped/bent,
  but just wanted to see if there was some consensus or convincing
 arguments
  for either.
  Since this list has the brightest people around, I thought it's the best
  place to ask ;-)
 
  Yes, best option is to provide both.
 
  Regards
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Re: [Emc-users] OT: MPG format

2011-03-25 Thread Thomas Powderly
manuell pulsgeber
the oldest memories of the acronym are with German machines for me
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Re: [Emc-users] Can I rigid tap with a BOTTOMING tap?

2011-03-25 Thread Jon Elson
Roland Jollivet wrote:
 Why not use a thread mill?

 I was wondering about them, in that instead of taps, one could fashion their
 own mini fly cutter from HSS for thread milling. It will take a lot longer
 to cut the thread, but for hobby CNC milling time is not usually a problem.

   
For oddball threads, these are great.  I bought a small single-row 
threadmill years ago, and did some tests
with it.  It worked great, and produced a perfect thread the first 
time.  I have only used it a few times, as
for any production work it is much faster to obtain the right tap and 
thread quickly.  But for unusual thread
combinations or one-offs it is great.

Jon

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Re: [Emc-users] OT: MPG format

2011-03-25 Thread Kirk Wallace
On Fri, 2011-03-25 at 15:34 +0100, Peter Blodow wrote:
 If I only knew what a MPG is - in Germany it means Max Planck 
 Gesellschaft which is one of the world's best research institutes...
 Peter Blodow

It used to be good form to append the fully worded term to the acronym
with the first use of each acronym in a document, such as: I like knobs
on my MPG (Manual Pulse Generator) as many commercial MPG's have. It's
a little more work, but it comes down to whether one wants to be
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Re: [Emc-users] Square corners With G41/G42

2011-03-25 Thread Les Newell
Yes, corner looping makes a big difference but in tight nests corner 
loops can waste a lot of space. As a worst case, imagine cutting out an 
array of square parts. The corner loops would result in a big spacing 
between the parts. I am in the process of adding G41/42 support to 
SheetCam and was wondering how to handle this type of corner. Currently 
SheetCam generates the tool center line which means it has total control 
over the tool path but you can't use radius comp. With plasma and 
waterjet cutting the kerf width (cut width) varies quite a lot as the 
nozzle wears so radius comp is useful.

Les

On 25/03/2011 10:20, Alex Joni wrote:
 Not currently, this would probably come from CAM for best results.
 I've seen some CAM systems that allow adding outside loops for sharpest
 corners (so you go past the endpoint, then do a loop in the scrap material,
 and enter the endpoint with the new cutting direction).

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Re: [Emc-users] OT: MPG format

2011-03-25 Thread Roland Jollivet
My apologies. I do agree, and is actually a pet gripe on many technical
documents littered with acronyms. But when mails on this forum are littered
with stuff like;
#t-wid+ = [[#_t-len] * 0.5]   one assumes MPG (Manual Pulse
Generator) is understood. It's mentioned at least once a week.

Regards
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 On Fri, 2011-03-25 at 15:34 +0100, Peter Blodow wrote:
  If I only knew what a MPG is - in Germany it means Max Planck
  Gesellschaft which is one of the world's best research institutes...
  Peter Blodow

 It used to be good form to append the fully worded term to the acronym
 with the first use of each acronym in a document, such as: I like knobs
 on my MPG (Manual Pulse Generator) as many commercial MPG's have. It's
 a little more work, but it comes down to whether one wants to be
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Re: [Emc-users] OT: MPG format

2011-03-25 Thread Roland Jollivet
Hi Colin

The dials are normally graduated, and a spin of however much should move the
machine exactly that amount. Unless it's being used in a velocity mode,
where turning the wheel means move continuously, and stop means stop. (also
a debated topic (overrun))

However, I want to supply the encoder only, similarly, as illustrated below.
The terms 'jog wheel', MPG and pendant are often used in a mixed way.

http://www.directencoders.com/products/mpg30/mpg30.asp

But there are just too many configurations to start making the keypads too.
In fact, my preference is for the MPG to mounted on the swivel panel,
leaving a hand free, of which we often need a few more.

Regards
Roland



On 25 March 2011 16:39, Colin K cwk@gmail.com wrote:

 Roland,

 You might be interested in some of the work I've done on this:
 http://ckcnc.wordpress.com/2011/02/13/we-have-a-winner/

 I solved the problem by adding a 25-key keypad, so there's both an MPG and
 buttons for continuous feed of any axis. I think the continuous feed is
 very
 useful for using the mill in pseudo-manual mode.

 I've experimented with a variety of encoders for the MPG, and I definitely
 prefer detents. So far, my favorite of the bunch is a Grayhill 32-count
 encoder, which retails for $26 at the usual places going down to I think
 half that in quantities of 100. It's an optical encoder so the output is
 very clean and reliable. I've also experimented with some mechanical ones
 that cost closer to $3 each, but they are less reliable; that is, if you
 move them slowly, one click = one pulse, but if you start rotating them at
 a
 steady rate, 10 clicks might equal 5 or 8 pulses. This was with no effort
 to
 smooth the signal in any way, so YMMV.

 The hardest part for me has been the keypad. The approach I've done in the
 video linked above actually feels nicer in the hand than it looks, and
 while
 not NEMA-rated, should hold up well for ordinary usage. But it's fussy to
 fabricate and have it not look, well, homemade. Membrane keypads would
 simplify this greatly, but at non-trivial cost, and without the benefit of
 allowing end-users to make their own custom keypads.

 On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 7:15 AM, Roland Jollivet
 roland.jolli...@gmail.comwrote:

  Hi All
 
  I'm looking at manufacturing low cost OEM MPG's and just wanted to field
  opinion on the wheel.
 
  Some have a knob on them, while others have a few indents in the wheel.
  Personally I see the indent as preferable, as in not getting bumped/bent,
  but just wanted to see if there was some consensus or convincing
 arguments
  for either.
  Since this list has the brightest people around, I thought it's the best
  place to ask ;-)
 
  Yes, best option is to provide both.
 
  Regards
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Re: [Emc-users] Square corners With G41/G42

2011-03-25 Thread Stuart Stevenson
On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 11:18 AM, Les Newell les.new...@fastmail.co.ukwrote:

 Yes, corner looping makes a big difference but in tight nests corner
 loops can waste a lot of space. As a worst case, imagine cutting out an
 array of square parts. The corner loops would result in a big spacing
 between the parts. I am in the process of adding G41/42 support to
 SheetCam and was wondering how to handle this type of corner. Currently
 SheetCam generates the tool center line which means it has total control
 over the tool path but you can't use radius comp. With plasma and
 waterjet cutting the kerf width (cut width) varies quite a lot as the
 nozzle wears so radius comp is useful.

 Les

you can still use G40/G41/G42 with a tool centerline program
you would just use small numbers for the offset value

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Re: [Emc-users] OT: MPG format

2011-03-25 Thread gene heskett
On Friday, March 25, 2011 01:10:50 PM Roland Jollivet did opine:

 My apologies. I do agree, and is actually a pet gripe on many technical
 documents littered with acronyms. But when mails on this forum are
 littered with stuff like;
 #t-wid+ = [[#_t-len] * 0.5]   one assumes MPG (Manual Pulse
 Generator) is understood. It's mentioned at least once a week.
 
 Regards
 Roland

Hey, that wasn't littering, it was a legit question I thought. ;)  Besides, 
I needed a fudge factor so it would start bigger than the end of the stick 
and cut a clean tenon with the side of the bit, so the math got a wee bit 
more complex than that, but I cut the first 4 yesterday, but not without 
contending with both bit and collete run out.  It turned out the mortises I 
dug were also tapered, getting tighter at the bottom, but I've a decent fit 
for gluing anyway.

 On 25 March 2011 18:03, Kirk Wallace kwall...@wallacecompany.com wrote:
  On Fri, 2011-03-25 at 15:34 +0100, Peter Blodow wrote:
   If I only knew what a MPG is - in Germany it means Max Planck
   Gesellschaft which is one of the world's best research institutes...
   Peter Blodow
  
  It used to be good form to append the fully worded term to the acronym
  with the first use of each acronym in a document, such as: I like
  knobs on my MPG (Manual Pulse Generator) as many commercial MPG's
  have. It's a little more work, but it comes down to whether one
  wants to be understood by the intended audience or not.
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Re: [Emc-users] Square corners With G41/G42

2011-03-25 Thread Les Newell
I have had a couple of customers try to use small offsets but they were 
never happy with the results.

Offsetting a center line path has two problems. First of all the lead in 
will be incorrect. EMC expects an explicit lead in move when using 
radius comp. If you don't provide this move then the first cutting move 
will be incorrect. The second problem is that SheetCam does not know 
about this offset so it does not allow for it. If the input geometry is 
very complex (usually artistic work) you can end up with a lot of very 
short moves. If you add offsets to these moves you can get gouging and 
overlapping paths. The likelihood of problems is not very high but it is 
there.

To be honest the square corners aren't a big issue. It would be a nice 
feature to have but very few if any other controllers allow for square 
corners.

Les


On 25/03/2011 17:17, Stuart Stevenson wrote:

 you can still use G40/G41/G42 with a tool centerline program
 you would just use small numbers for the offset value



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Re: [Emc-users] Problem with comp

2011-03-25 Thread Carsten Presser
 I would say, do not use global variables, do you need them to be global
 (outside function scope?)
No, i dont need them to be global.

I will try this hint as soon as my mill finishes its current job.



 On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 5:40 PM, Carsten Presserc...@rstenpresser.de  wrote:

 Hi,

 I tried to write my own small userspace comp:
 http://tinypaste.com/e78dc

 Compiling with sudo comp --install hal_mydro.comp runs fine without
 errors.

 However, when I load it with
 halcmd loadusr -W hal_mydro (as the same user that is running emc2)
 it crashes with a segfault.

 GDB-output is here:
 http://tinypaste.com/6172a5

 Any hints?

 Regards
 Carsten


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Re: [Emc-users] Square corners With G41/G42

2011-03-25 Thread Stuart Stevenson
in my shop we have used small offsets in EMC2 for a long time
we have had no issues of resulting incorrect geometry from entry or exit
motion

if you have artistic designs and generate tool centerline code with a lot of
small linear (and possibly circular) moves then EMC2 and its radiusing of
the outside and inside corners will be problematic at best and unworkable at
worst

if you change to part geometry code (offset by the tool radius) you will
have a different program but you will still encounter the same problems with
the cutter comp
the same amount of change ie .002 inch
 with centerline code total adjustment is -.002
 with geometry code total adjustment is still -.002 even though
the number for a 1/4 cutter is .123 instead of .125
both will not work for the same reason

EMC2 does not know or care how big the tool is or isn't

EMC2 calculates a radiused corner based upon code geometry and offset value

I ,too, would like to have the choice of using this feature or not
I have requested this option and argued this point more than one time (to no
avail YET) :)

I want 5 axis cutter comp - with this 'feature' enabled 5 axis cutter comp
is not workable - with this feature disabled then 5 axis cutter comp would
be possible

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