Re: [Emc-users] database Q?
On 4/2/2012 11:12 PM, gene heskett wrote: In documenting all the wiring around linuxcnc for the lathe, I had started a libreoffice-base session and had about half of the C1G wiring all laid out so it would be in a format I could easily use to complete the .hal file configuration. But of course in starting and stopping linuxcnc so many times while I verified that what I wrote was correct, the^)*%#@ system went away on me and I had to hit the hdwe reset to reboot it. The latest version of LO-Base had been running for perhaps 1.5 hours at that point, so if it did do an automatic save, it had yonks to do it in and I should have been able to do a full recovery as I hadn't made a new entry in 45 minutes or more due to chasing down a broken wire that stopped the Z motor steps from getting through. Which it did attempt, but the only thing it could recover was the filename.odt. About 3kb of mostly binary that did not even include the column heading text. Not even the empty form view could be recovered when it tried, and no errors were reported when it tried so I had assumed it was successful until I tried to view it drew a blank. ... Does this so-called database program have an auto-save and I didn't have it turned on because on is not the default? Shame on LO-Base in that event. Gene: I've never used the Base (eg, database) component of OpenOffice/LibreOffice, but for other OpenOffice3/LibreOffice3 components, from the toolbar I can choose Tools...Options...Load/Save...General and see a list of options including a checkbox for turning on Save Autorecovery information every xx minutes. On both my Ubuntu 10.04 (OpenOffice) and Ubuntu 11.10 (LibreOffice) systems, this box is checked by default and xx is 15 (e.g, the save occurs every 15 minutes).. I have no clue if Autorecovery applies to the database component or, if it does apply, how well it stands up to a crowbar event. ... Cheers, Gene Good luck. I know from personal experience how frustrating it is to do a lot of work and see it evaporate before reaping the result (I've heard a great, earthy Bavarian farmer joke that applies). Regards, Kent -- Better than sec? Nothing is better than sec when it comes to monitoring Big Data applications. Try Boundary one-second resolution app monitoring today. Free. http://p.sf.net/sfu/Boundary-dev2dev ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] database Q?
Kent, I would sure like to hear that joke! Greetings from Bavaria Peter (sorry, a little off topic...) Kent A. Reed schrieb: Good luck. I know from personal experience how frustrating it is to do a lot of work and see it evaporate before reaping the result (I've heard a great, earthy Bavarian farmer joke that applies). Regards, Kent -- Better than sec? Nothing is better than sec when it comes to monitoring Big Data applications. Try Boundary one-second resolution app monitoring today. Free. http://p.sf.net/sfu/Boundary-dev2dev ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] database Q?
On Tuesday, April 03, 2012 03:32:09 AM Kent A. Reed did opine: On 4/2/2012 11:12 PM, gene heskett wrote: In documenting all the wiring around linuxcnc for the lathe, I had started a libreoffice-base session and had about half of the C1G wiring all laid out so it would be in a format I could easily use to complete the .hal file configuration. But of course in starting and stopping linuxcnc so many times while I verified that what I wrote was correct, the^)*%#@ system went away on me and I had to hit the hdwe reset to reboot it. The latest version of LO-Base had been running for perhaps 1.5 hours at that point, so if it did do an automatic save, it had yonks to do it in and I should have been able to do a full recovery as I hadn't made a new entry in 45 minutes or more due to chasing down a broken wire that stopped the Z motor steps from getting through. Which it did attempt, but the only thing it could recover was the filename.odt. About 3kb of mostly binary that did not even include the column heading text. Not even the empty form view could be recovered when it tried, and no errors were reported when it tried so I had assumed it was successful until I tried to view it drew a blank. ... Does this so-called database program have an auto-save and I didn't have it turned on because on is not the default? Shame on LO-Base in that event. Gene: I've never used the Base (eg, database) component of OpenOffice/LibreOffice, but for other OpenOffice3/LibreOffice3 components, from the toolbar I can choose Tools...Options...Load/Save...General and see a list of options including a checkbox for turning on Save Autorecovery information every xx minutes. On both my Ubuntu 10.04 (OpenOffice) and Ubuntu 11.10 (LibreOffice) systems, this box is checked by default and xx is 15 (e.g, the save occurs every 15 minutes).. For some reason known only to the authors, it defaults to off, both for that and the making of a backup copy. And it was well hidden exactly where you said, but that wasn't where the help said it was, I had to google it. I have no clue if Autorecovery applies to the database component or, if it does apply, how well it stands up to a crowbar event. It should save the whole thing if it saves anything. ... Cheers, Gene Good luck. I know from personal experience how frustrating it is to do a lot of work and see it evaporate before reaping the result (I've heard a great, earthy Bavarian farmer joke that applies). Yes, I have a monologue of my own that takes about 5 minutes to fully recite, reserved for such events. It discusses the genealogy tree of the persons involved and makes a mule skinner look like a preacher. :( I reburnt the bios yesterday with the same Feb 7, 2012 version I'd already installed, and I think I'll see if there are any hints in dmesg that might point to a clue before I restart. Both of these D525MW boxes seem to be victims of whatever is causing this crash. I get the impression that its related to the X screen recovery when an app is closed, it goes (usually) to a black screen with a frozen mouse cursor, about 1 or 2 seconds after closing an application, and since its linuxcnc that gets started and stopped the most, the finger wants to point at it, but firefox and gvim have also been guilty. Sometimes it will continue and do a spontaneous reboot, but usually its just hung until I get a small tool to press the reset button, or hit the power button and cycle it. Whatever, its a 225% certified PIMA. Regards, Kent Cheers, Gene -- There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) My web page: http://coyoteden.dyndns-free.com:85/gene 'Mounting' is used for three things: climbing on a horse, linking in a hard disk unit in data systems, and, well, mounting during sex. -- Christa Keil -- Better than sec? Nothing is better than sec when it comes to monitoring Big Data applications. Try Boundary one-second resolution app monitoring today. Free. http://p.sf.net/sfu/Boundary-dev2dev ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] RELEASED: LinuxCNC 2.5.0
2012/4/2 John Prentice j...@castlewd.freeserve.co.uk: I am having trouble following the process in the link with Lucid. On the Reload step I get: the screen at www.castlewoodconsultants.com/Misc/Upgrade2-5Trouble.jpg Be sure you have typed the line exactly like deb http://linuxcnc.org/ lucid base linuxcnc2.5 I think you maybe don't have the spaces in the right spots? Indeed - exactly the trouble. Thanks I was trying to come up with a joke, related to LinuxCNC not willing to work on Your PC, because some Mach-related things are already there (at least icons on desktop say so), but You managed to solve the problem faster, so I will try some other time :)) Viesturs -- Better than sec? Nothing is better than sec when it comes to monitoring Big Data applications. Try Boundary one-second resolution app monitoring today. Free. http://p.sf.net/sfu/Boundary-dev2dev ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
[Emc-users] Downloading Release 2.5
Gentlemen, I would like to download the new release as a live CD with Lucid Lynx and LinuxCNC 2.5 as I did before with Hardy Heron and V. 2.3. When I go to the LinuxCNC.org download site I get offered the live CD ISO-file ubuntu-10.04-linuxcnc2-i386.iso, but I can't find confirmation that it really contains the new release of LinuxCNC. What is the contents of this ISO file, just Ubuntu or also LinuxCNC V. 2.5? As the download takes about 4-5 hours, here on the countryside, I thought it was a good idea to ask before... Peter Blodow _ _ -- Better than sec? Nothing is better than sec when it comes to monitoring Big Data applications. Try Boundary one-second resolution app monitoring today. Free. http://p.sf.net/sfu/Boundary-dev2dev ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] database Q?
On Mon, 2012-04-02 at 23:12 -0400, gene heskett wrote: so if it did do an automatic save Among the other things I set up with a new OO/LO installation: Tools - Options - Load/Save General - check Save AutoRecovery information every and set the timer for 10 minutes That dramatically improves the chances of recovering *something*, because if it's turned off, you're stuck with whatever's been manually saved. That might be nothing at all, as you've discovered. But, come now, you *know* recording data on a crash-test dummy box is Bad Technique. Case in point: this past weekend at a robot contest, an otherwise useless stack of shredded dead trees turned out to be absolutely vital... -- Ed http://softsolder.com -- Better than sec? Nothing is better than sec when it comes to monitoring Big Data applications. Try Boundary one-second resolution app monitoring today. Free. http://p.sf.net/sfu/Boundary-dev2dev ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] OT RELEASED: LinuxCNC 2.5.0
- Original Message - From: Viesturs Lacis viesturs.la...@gmail.com I think you maybe don't have the spaces in the right spots? Indeed - exactly the trouble. Thanks I was trying to come up with a joke, related to LinuxCNC not willing to work on Your PC, because some Mach-related things are already there (at least icons on desktop say so), but You managed to solve the problem faster, so I will try some other time :)) LOL. I was however confident that LinuxCNC, who is such an open and confident girl, would be OK with the occasional two-timing user. She has been giving me a hard time recently when I call her EMC2 by mistake. With a clean install even that should be behind us :=) John Prentice -- Better than sec? Nothing is better than sec when it comes to monitoring Big Data applications. Try Boundary one-second resolution app monitoring today. Free. http://p.sf.net/sfu/Boundary-dev2dev ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Downloading Release 2.5
- Original Message - From: Peter Blodow p.blo...@dreki.de Gentlemen, I would like to download the new release as a live CD with Lucid Lynx and LinuxCNC 2.5 as I did before with Hardy Heron and V. 2.3. When I go to the LinuxCNC.org download site I get offered the live CD ISO-file ubuntu-10.04-linuxcnc2-i386.iso, but I can't find confirmation that it really contains the new release of LinuxCNC. What is the contents of this ISO file, just Ubuntu or also LinuxCNC V. 2.5? That file is live CD for Ububtu Lucid Lynx and LinuxCNC 2.5 John Prentice -- Better than sec? Nothing is better than sec when it comes to monitoring Big Data applications. Try Boundary one-second resolution app monitoring today. Free. http://p.sf.net/sfu/Boundary-dev2dev ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Downloading Release 2.5
There isn't an ISO yet with 2.5. You will have to use what you have and update. sam On 4/3/2012 7:41 AM, Peter Blodow wrote: Gentlemen, I would like to download the new release as a live CD with Lucid Lynx and LinuxCNC 2.5 as I did before with Hardy Heron and V. 2.3. When I go to the LinuxCNC.org download site I get offered the live CD ISO-file ubuntu-10.04-linuxcnc2-i386.iso, but I can't find confirmation that it really contains the new release of LinuxCNC. What is the contents of this ISO file, just Ubuntu or also LinuxCNC V. 2.5? As the download takes about 4-5 hours, here on the countryside, I thought it was a good idea to ask before... Peter Blodow _ _ -- Better than sec? Nothing is better than sec when it comes to monitoring Big Data applications. Try Boundary one-second resolution app monitoring today. Free. http://p.sf.net/sfu/Boundary-dev2dev ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Better than sec? Nothing is better than sec when it comes to monitoring Big Data applications. Try Boundary one-second resolution app monitoring today. Free. http://p.sf.net/sfu/Boundary-dev2dev ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] database Q?
On Tuesday, April 03, 2012 09:06:45 AM Ed Nisley did opine: On Mon, 2012-04-02 at 23:12 -0400, gene heskett wrote: so if it did do an automatic save Among the other things I set up with a new OO/LO installation: Tools - Options - Load/Save General - check Save AutoRecovery information every and set the timer for 10 minutes 5 minutes, is even better. :) That dramatically improves the chances of recovering *something*, because if it's turned off, you're stuck with whatever's been manually saved. That might be nothing at all, as you've discovered. Adding to my frustration at the instant, which was also being fed by opening a box from JameCo and discovering they had sent the wrong parts for the 2nd time. That wasn't printable either unless you like to start fires with the printer... But, come now, you *know* recording data on a crash-test dummy box is Bad Technique. Case in point: this past weekend at a robot contest, an otherwise useless stack of shredded dead trees turned out to be absolutely vital... Cushioning the inevitable crash I assume... ;-) What I'd really like to find is why these boxes ARE crash test dummies. They run very well indeed, until you quit an app. At which point there seems to be a 5 to 10% possibility of the whole box going away about 1 second after the apps screen goes away, leaving a black screen frozen mouse cursor. Hit the reset or power buttons to recover. OTOH, if its X crashing, maybe I could try typing startx? I'll see if I can induce another such incident and try that just for SG. I have posted a small msg on the xorg list asking if the i915 driver might be the culprit, and how to instrument it to prove/disprove the hunch. That was about 3 hours ago, no reply yet. Thanks Ed. Cheers, Gene -- There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) My web page: http://coyoteden.dyndns-free.com:85/gene There is no statute of limitations on stupidity. -- Randomly produced by a computer program called Markov3. -- Better than sec? Nothing is better than sec when it comes to monitoring Big Data applications. Try Boundary one-second resolution app monitoring today. Free. http://p.sf.net/sfu/Boundary-dev2dev ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Downloading Release 2.5
Please disregard.. I seem to have missed a section of this conversation... On 4/3/2012 8:06 AM, sam sokolik wrote: There isn't an ISO yet with 2.5. You will have to use what you have and update. sam On 4/3/2012 7:41 AM, Peter Blodow wrote: Gentlemen, I would like to download the new release as a live CD with Lucid Lynx and LinuxCNC 2.5 as I did before with Hardy Heron and V. 2.3. When I go to the LinuxCNC.org download site I get offered the live CD ISO-file ubuntu-10.04-linuxcnc2-i386.iso, but I can't find confirmation that it really contains the new release of LinuxCNC. What is the contents of this ISO file, just Ubuntu or also LinuxCNC V. 2.5? As the download takes about 4-5 hours, here on the countryside, I thought it was a good idea to ask before... Peter Blodow _ _ -- Better than sec? Nothing is better than sec when it comes to monitoring Big Data applications. Try Boundary one-second resolution app monitoring today. Free. http://p.sf.net/sfu/Boundary-dev2dev ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Better than sec? Nothing is better than sec when it comes to monitoring Big Data applications. Try Boundary one-second resolution app monitoring today. Free. http://p.sf.net/sfu/Boundary-dev2dev ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Better than sec? Nothing is better than sec when it comes to monitoring Big Data applications. Try Boundary one-second resolution app monitoring today. Free. http://p.sf.net/sfu/Boundary-dev2dev ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] database Q?
On 03.04.12 09:23, gene heskett wrote: They run very well indeed, until you quit an app. At which point there seems to be a 5 to 10% possibility of the whole box going away about 1 second after the apps screen goes away, leaving a black screen frozen mouse cursor. Hit the reset or power buttons to recover. OTOH, if its X crashing, maybe I could try typing startx? I'll see if I can induce another such incident and try that just for SG. Is the host networked, Gene? Linux should not be seriously inconvenienced by an app crashing, and I usually ssh in, then kill gdm or similar. Then it's only necessary to restart X. Looking at an output of ps on this box, I see: root 745 1 0 15:03 ?00:00:00 gdm-binary root 841 745 0 15:03 ?00:00:00 /usr/lib/gdm/gdm-simple-slave --display-id /org/gnom e/DisplayManager/Display1 root 850 841 3 15:03 tty7 00:18:47 /usr/bin/X :0 -nr -verbose -auth /var/run/gdm/auth-f or-gdm-FK2czT/database -nolisten tcp vt7 If it's late at night, I'm not always completely scientific, and just whack these things till the jammed X goes away, then do a startx. (But gdm-binary has init (PID == 1) as parent, and is momma to the other guys, so that's the bullseye.) As for the cause - there are a lot of us using ubuntu and a recent edition of the X11 suite, with nary a problem, so a driver might be the culprit - it may not be too happy with your hardware? Is this with on-board graphics, and do you have another you could plug in? I can understand that the 5-10% rate of falling over would get on your wick! Erik P.S. I had mains power go once, in the middle of typing a post in vim within mutt. So I lost that one because mutt's tmp file was in /tmp, and was deleted on reboot. Changing the tmpdir fixed that. I think you might have been better off with vim. ;-) -- People disagree with me. I just ignore them. - Linus Torvalds, regarding the use of C++ for the Linux kernel -- Better than sec? Nothing is better than sec when it comes to monitoring Big Data applications. Try Boundary one-second resolution app monitoring today. Free. http://p.sf.net/sfu/Boundary-dev2dev ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Downloading Release 2.5
err, sure there is. the latest CD we have on linuxcnc.org : http://www.linuxcnc.org/iso/ubuntu-10.04-linuxcnc2-i386.iso it is also available on my EU mirror: http://dsplabs.upt.ro/~juve/emc/get.php?file=ubuntu-10.04-linuxcnc2-i386.iso (maybe that works faster for some people) it includes: - Ubuntu 10.04 (incl. latest updates) - LinuxCNC 2.5.0 (note the linuxcnc2 in the name, the linuxcnc1 contains LinuxCNC 2.4.x). Regards, Alex - Original Message - From: sam sokolik sa...@empirescreen.com To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 4:06 PM Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Downloading Release 2.5 There isn't an ISO yet with 2.5. You will have to use what you have and update. sam On 4/3/2012 7:41 AM, Peter Blodow wrote: Gentlemen, I would like to download the new release as a live CD with Lucid Lynx and LinuxCNC 2.5 as I did before with Hardy Heron and V. 2.3. When I go to the LinuxCNC.org download site I get offered the live CD ISO-file ubuntu-10.04-linuxcnc2-i386.iso, but I can't find confirmation that it really contains the new release of LinuxCNC. What is the contents of this ISO file, just Ubuntu or also LinuxCNC V. 2.5? As the download takes about 4-5 hours, here on the countryside, I thought it was a good idea to ask before... Peter Blodow _ _ -- Better than sec? Nothing is better than sec when it comes to monitoring Big Data applications. Try Boundary one-second resolution app monitoring today. Free. http://p.sf.net/sfu/Boundary-dev2dev ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Better than sec? Nothing is better than sec when it comes to monitoring Big Data applications. Try Boundary one-second resolution app monitoring today. Free. http://p.sf.net/sfu/Boundary-dev2dev ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Better than sec? Nothing is better than sec when it comes to monitoring Big Data applications. Try Boundary one-second resolution app monitoring today. Free. http://p.sf.net/sfu/Boundary-dev2dev ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] OT RELEASED: LinuxCNC 2.5.0
On 4/3/2012 8:58 AM, John Prentice wrote: - Original Message - From: Viesturs Lacisviesturs.la...@gmail.com I think you maybe don't have the spaces in the right spots? Indeed - exactly the trouble. Thanks I was trying to come up with a joke, related to LinuxCNC not willing to work on Your PC, because some Mach-related things are already there (at least icons on desktop say so), but You managed to solve the problem faster, so I will try some other time :)) LOL. I was however confident that LinuxCNC, who is such an open and confident girl, would be OK with the occasional two-timing user. She has been giving me a hard time recently when I call her EMC2 by mistake. With a clean install even that should be behind us :=) John Prentice I too have noticed that girls can sometime get very agitated when they are called by the wrong name.. At least the software doesn't slap back! Old habits are hard to break.. Linuxcnc ... Linuxcnc.. Linuxcnc... ;-) Dave -- Better than sec? Nothing is better than sec when it comes to monitoring Big Data applications. Try Boundary one-second resolution app monitoring today. Free. http://p.sf.net/sfu/Boundary-dev2dev ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
[Emc-users] Post from QCUIAG List
Just in case, I know there are some electronics people on this list [QCUIAG] so... I have been having a turn out lately and came across some old circuit boards which I was about to consign to the dump when I noticed that one had an A-D converter type ADC80AG-12 on it. A quick search revealed that it is still available and sells for around US$150. I have no use for this, and I would be happy to send it on to anyone on this list (preferably in the UK) who could make use of it. The board was functional before it was removed from its original instrument so I assume the chip is OK too. It is in a socket so will be easy to remove and I expect I can find some conductive foam to put it on. There are a variety of other chips in sockets, but I have no idea what they are. There are two 8323's and an AMI 8320, all in sockets too. Anyone interested, please get in touch (soon or they will go to the dump). Peter Peter Lloyd qc.ll...@btinternet.com -- Kirk Wallace http://www.wallacecompany.com/machine_shop/ http://www.wallacecompany.com/E45/index.html California, USA -- Better than sec? Nothing is better than sec when it comes to monitoring Big Data applications. Try Boundary one-second resolution app monitoring today. Free. http://p.sf.net/sfu/Boundary-dev2dev ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Downloading Release 2.5
Le 03/04/2012 15:59, Alex Joni a écrit : (..) http://www.linuxcnc.org/iso/ubuntu-10.04-linuxcnc2-i386.iso (...) it includes: - Ubuntu 10.04 (incl. latest updates) - LinuxCNC 2.5.0 (note the linuxcnc2 in the name, the linuxcnc1 contains LinuxCNC 2.4.x). so why not writing it down clearly in the iso name ? don't you think ubuntu-10.04-linuxcnc2.5.0-i386.iso would have been a more representative name ? anyway, lots of thanks for the work done :) -- Better than sec? Nothing is better than sec when it comes to monitoring Big Data applications. Try Boundary one-second resolution app monitoring today. Free. http://p.sf.net/sfu/Boundary-dev2dev ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Downloading Release 2.5
On Tue, Apr 03, 2012 at 05:58:06PM +0200, yann jautard wrote: so why not writing it down clearly in the iso name ? don't you think ubuntu-10.04-linuxcnc2.5.0-i386.iso would have been a more representative name ? Yes you are right, it would be more representative. But let me go on and fully answer your question. In my opinion the only purpose of the CD is that new installs have a configuration that allows updating to the latest version of linuxcnc and every other package with trivial ease by clicking OK when the update manager pops up. I have found that sometimes people mistakenly think that the best way to upgrade linuxcnc is to get a new iso and reinstall the whole operating system. This is time-consuming, very expensive in terms of bandwidth cost (linuxcnc package is 4MB, full OS is 700MB), error-prone in terms of getting a download and CD burn with the right checksums, and it wipes out their machine configurations and other settings that would be preserved just fine if they upgraded correctly. It changes a two-minute upgrade (five minutes for major release changes like 2.4 - 2.5) into hours of work. I further feel that if I put 2.5.0 in the name of the cd image, it reinforces this mistaken practice and users will watch for and expect a new cd image containing 2.5.1 etc etc. So to everyone currently running Lucid or Hardy and thinking about downloading the new CD, again let me point you to http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?UpdatingTo2.5 anyway, lots of thanks for the work done :) Welcome! -- Better than sec? Nothing is better than sec when it comes to monitoring Big Data applications. Try Boundary one-second resolution app monitoring today. Free. http://p.sf.net/sfu/Boundary-dev2dev ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Downloading Release 2.5
Wouldn't that be a good idea to put this info on the download page instead of assuming people would do the sensible thing and not download the LiveCD if they have 2.4 installed? John On 4/3/2012 11:21 AM, Chris Radek wrote: On Tue, Apr 03, 2012 at 05:58:06PM +0200, yann jautard wrote: so why not writing it down clearly in the iso name ? don't you think ubuntu-10.04-linuxcnc2.5.0-i386.iso would have been a more representative name ? Yes you are right, it would be more representative. But let me go on and fully answer your question. In my opinion the only purpose of the CD is that new installs have a configuration that allows updating to the latest version of linuxcnc and every other package with trivial ease by clicking OK when the update manager pops up. I have found that sometimes people mistakenly think that the best way to upgrade linuxcnc is to get a new iso and reinstall the whole operating system. This is time-consuming, very expensive in terms of bandwidth cost (linuxcnc package is 4MB, full OS is 700MB), error-prone in terms of getting a download and CD burn with the right checksums, and it wipes out their machine configurations and other settings that would be preserved just fine if they upgraded correctly. It changes a two-minute upgrade (five minutes for major release changes like 2.4 - 2.5) into hours of work. I further feel that if I put 2.5.0 in the name of the cd image, it reinforces this mistaken practice and users will watch for and expect a new cd image containing 2.5.1 etc etc. So to everyone currently running Lucid or Hardy and thinking about downloading the new CD, again let me point you to http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?UpdatingTo2.5 anyway, lots of thanks for the work done :) Welcome! -- Better than sec? Nothing is better than sec when it comes to monitoring Big Data applications. Try Boundary one-second resolution app monitoring today. Free. http://p.sf.net/sfu/Boundary-dev2dev ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Better than sec? Nothing is better than sec when it comes to monitoring Big Data applications. Try Boundary one-second resolution app monitoring today. Free. http://p.sf.net/sfu/Boundary-dev2dev ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] database Q?
On Tuesday, April 03, 2012 12:38:42 PM Erik Christiansen did opine: On 03.04.12 09:23, gene heskett wrote: They run very well indeed, until you quit an app. At which point there seems to be a 5 to 10% possibility of the whole box going away about 1 second after the apps screen goes away, leaving a black screen frozen mouse cursor. Hit the reset or power buttons to recover. OTOH, if its X crashing, maybe I could try typing startx? I'll see if I can induce another such incident and try that just for SG. Is the host networked, Gene? Yes. Linux should not be seriously inconvenienced by an app crashing, and I usually ssh in, then kill gdm or similar. Then it's only necessary to restart X. Looking at an output of ps on this box, I see: root 745 1 0 15:03 ?00:00:00 gdm-binary root 841 745 0 15:03 ?00:00:00 /usr/lib/gdm/gdm-simple-slave --display-id /org/gnom e/DisplayManager/Display1 root 850 841 3 15:03 tty7 00:18:47 /usr/bin/X :0 -nr -verbose -auth /var/run/gdm/auth-f or-gdm-FK2czT/database -nolisten tcp vt7 If it's late at night, I'm not always completely scientific, and just whack these things till the jammed X goes away, then do a startx. (But gdm-binary has init (PID == 1) as parent, and is momma to the other guys, so that's the bullseye.) TBT I haven't tried to ssh into it when its in that state. I'll try it next time. The normal ssh session is ssh -Y, which I finally got fixed as I posted a day or so back. As for the cause - there are a lot of us using ubuntu and a recent edition of the X11 suite, with nary a problem, so a driver might be the culprit - it may not be too happy with your hardware? Is this with on-board graphics, and do you have another you could plug in? Hardware on these D525MW boards is fixed, video is i915 intel, built into the motherboard. No slot to plug in another video card. I can understand that the 5-10% rate of falling over would get on your wick! That is a nice way of saying it. ;) Erik P.S. I had mains power go once, in the middle of typing a post in vim within mutt. So I lost that one because mutt's tmp file was in /tmp, and was deleted on reboot. Changing the tmpdir fixed that. That is something that I wish I could disable. Heyu is hard coded, and goes away when cron cleans up in /tmp. So it turns on the Christmas lights, cron cleans up /var/tmp, heyu goes away till I notice the lights are on a day or 4 later. This box has a lot of duties, email is just one of many. I think you might have been better off with vim. ;-) Probably, but this morning I am doing it with a stick a pack of blue- line. I'll make it purty later, if I live till later. :( I was dumb I guess, I let the bios put in the optimized defaults, and now the z motor is running like the latencies are in milliseconds the instant it starts to dither the pulses, and it will freeze up any time I set it to go faster than about 12 IPM. I can grab the motor and feel it running rougher than a corn sheller. Humm, go check, I'll bet that turned on hyperthreading again. Yup, sure did. So much for that silk purse from wallmart feature. Turning that off ought to be a jumper on the motherboard so it could be permanent! Cheers, Gene -- There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) My web page: http://coyoteden.dyndns-free.com:85/gene Houston, Tranquillity Base here. The Eagle has landed. -- Neil Armstrong -- Better than sec? Nothing is better than sec when it comes to monitoring Big Data applications. Try Boundary one-second resolution app monitoring today. Free. http://p.sf.net/sfu/Boundary-dev2dev ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Downloading Release 2.5
On Apr 3, 2012, at 10:21 , Chris Radek wrote: So to everyone currently running Lucid or Hardy and thinking about downloading the new CD, again let me point you to http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?UpdatingTo2.5 Users who are happy with their distro (Hardy or Lucid) and just want to upgrade from EMC 2.4 to LinuxCNC 2.5 should follow the quick and easy package upgrade instruction that Chris linked to above. Users on Hardy who want to upgrade to Lucid can use the Live CD to conveniently do so (and also get LinuxCNC 2.5 in the bargain). -- Sebastian Kuzminsky -- Better than sec? Nothing is better than sec when it comes to monitoring Big Data applications. Try Boundary one-second resolution app monitoring today. Free. http://p.sf.net/sfu/Boundary-dev2dev ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Downloading Release 2.5
Yes… The download instructions in general are pretty scattered and confusing. There are three different methods: upgrade an existing install, fresh install from LiveCD, and fresh install with Ubuntu CD followed by linuxcnc_install.sh. Each of these can be done with several different distros (Lucid and Hardy), and several different LinuxCNC versions, and for sim or realtime. And that's not yet considering the poweruser/developer stuff like the buildbot and the git repo, compile-from-source and run-in-place… This information is scattered across a couple of www.linuxcnc.org Download pages and several Wiki pages, plus the Getting Started document (in 5 languages!). The instructions could do a much better job describing these methods, how to choose and how to proceed... But I'm not the guy to be the editor-in-chief for this. On Apr 3, 2012, at 11:01 , John Thornton wrote: Wouldn't that be a good idea to put this info on the download page instead of assuming people would do the sensible thing and not download the LiveCD if they have 2.4 installed? John On 4/3/2012 11:21 AM, Chris Radek wrote: On Tue, Apr 03, 2012 at 05:58:06PM +0200, yann jautard wrote: so why not writing it down clearly in the iso name ? don't you think ubuntu-10.04-linuxcnc2.5.0-i386.iso would have been a more representative name ? Yes you are right, it would be more representative. But let me go on and fully answer your question. In my opinion the only purpose of the CD is that new installs have a configuration that allows updating to the latest version of linuxcnc and every other package with trivial ease by clicking OK when the update manager pops up. I have found that sometimes people mistakenly think that the best way to upgrade linuxcnc is to get a new iso and reinstall the whole operating system. This is time-consuming, very expensive in terms of bandwidth cost (linuxcnc package is 4MB, full OS is 700MB), error-prone in terms of getting a download and CD burn with the right checksums, and it wipes out their machine configurations and other settings that would be preserved just fine if they upgraded correctly. It changes a two-minute upgrade (five minutes for major release changes like 2.4 - 2.5) into hours of work. I further feel that if I put 2.5.0 in the name of the cd image, it reinforces this mistaken practice and users will watch for and expect a new cd image containing 2.5.1 etc etc. So to everyone currently running Lucid or Hardy and thinking about downloading the new CD, again let me point you to http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?UpdatingTo2.5 anyway, lots of thanks for the work done :) Welcome! -- Better than sec? Nothing is better than sec when it comes to monitoring Big Data applications. Try Boundary one-second resolution app monitoring today. Free. http://p.sf.net/sfu/Boundary-dev2dev ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Better than sec? Nothing is better than sec when it comes to monitoring Big Data applications. Try Boundary one-second resolution app monitoring today. Free. http://p.sf.net/sfu/Boundary-dev2dev ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Sebastian Kuzminsky -- Better than sec? Nothing is better than sec when it comes to monitoring Big Data applications. Try Boundary one-second resolution app monitoring today. Free. http://p.sf.net/sfu/Boundary-dev2dev ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Downloading Release 2.5
Danke Alex, that's what I wanted to know. I started the download and it took 4 hours 34 minutes at a speed of 45 kB/sec. How about naming files according to their contents, say: ubuntu-10.04-linuxcnc2.5.0-i386.iso? Peter Blodow Alex Joni schrieb: err, sure there is. the latest CD we have on linuxcnc.org : http://www.linuxcnc.org/iso/ubuntu-10.04-linuxcnc2-i386.iso it is also available on my EU mirror: http://dsplabs.upt.ro/~juve/emc/get.php?file=ubuntu-10.04-linuxcnc2-i386.iso (maybe that works faster for some people) it includes: - Ubuntu 10.04 (incl. latest updates) - LinuxCNC 2.5.0 (note the linuxcnc2 in the name, the linuxcnc1 contains LinuxCNC 2.4.x) Regards, Alex - Original Message - From: sam sokolik sa...@empirescreen.com To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 4:06 PM Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Downloading Release 2.5 There isn't an ISO yet with 2.5. You will have to use what you have and update. sam On 4/3/2012 7:41 AM, Peter Blodow wrote: Gentlemen, I would like to download the new release as a live CD with Lucid Lynx and LinuxCNC 2.5 as I did before with Hardy Heron and V. 2.3. When I go to the LinuxCNC.org download site I get offered the live CD ISO-file ubuntu-10.04-linuxcnc2-i386.iso, but I can't find confirmation that it really contains the new release of LinuxCNC. What is the contents of this ISO file, just Ubuntu or also LinuxCNC V. 2.5? As the download takes about 4-5 hours, here on the countryside, I thought it was a good idea to ask before... Peter Blodow -- Better than sec? Nothing is better than sec when it comes to monitoring Big Data applications. Try Boundary one-second resolution app monitoring today. Free. http://p.sf.net/sfu/Boundary-dev2dev ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Downloading Release 2.5 (by torrent)
For those who are interested in downloading the new ISO (not needed just to upgrade) a torrent link is available here: http://linuxtracker.org/index.php?page=torrent-detailsid=58c3d84f5124725969bbbc24b1c8cad291ebbcb4 Please remember to help seed after you have downloaded. Thanks! Kim -- Better than sec? Nothing is better than sec when it comes to monitoring Big Data applications. Try Boundary one-second resolution app monitoring today. Free. http://p.sf.net/sfu/Boundary-dev2dev ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
[Emc-users] 2.5.0 upgrade success!
Hi all, I just wanted to report to the group that I just upgraded from 2.4.3 to 2.5.0 according to Chris Radek's instructions, and it worked without a hitch. Very smooth upgrade. I also verified that Les Newell's manual tool change works on 2.5.0 Thanks to evereyone who worked on this upgrade. Tony - Original Message - From: Dave e...@dc9.tzo.com To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 11:28 AM Subject: Re: [Emc-users] OT RELEASED: LinuxCNC 2.5.0 On 4/3/2012 8:58 AM, John Prentice wrote: - Original Message - From: Viesturs Lacisviesturs.la...@gmail.com I think you maybe don't have the spaces in the right spots? Indeed - exactly the trouble. Thanks I was trying to come up with a joke, related to LinuxCNC not willing to work on Your PC, because some Mach-related things are already there (at least icons on desktop say so), but You managed to solve the problem faster, so I will try some other time :)) LOL. I was however confident that LinuxCNC, who is such an open and confident girl, would be OK with the occasional two-timing user. She has been giving me a hard time recently when I call her EMC2 by mistake. With a clean install even that should be behind us :=) John Prentice I too have noticed that girls can sometime get very agitated when they are called by the wrong name.. At least the software doesn't slap back! Old habits are hard to break.. Linuxcnc ... Linuxcnc.. Linuxcnc... ;-) Dave -- Better than sec? Nothing is better than sec when it comes to monitoring Big Data applications. Try Boundary one-second resolution app monitoring today. Free. http://p.sf.net/sfu/Boundary-dev2dev ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Better than sec? Nothing is better than sec when it comes to monitoring Big Data applications. Try Boundary one-second resolution app monitoring today. Free. http://p.sf.net/sfu/Boundary-dev2dev ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
