Re: [Emc-users] Motor Resolvers

2014-11-21 Thread Marius Liebenberg
Hi Rene
Very interesting work you have done there. Which one of the hardware 
options is used in the video demonstration?

On 2014-11-21 03:56, Rene Hopf wrote:
 On 20 Nov 2014, at 19:14, andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 20 November 2014 17:56, Kirk Wallace kwall...@wallacecompany.com wrote:
 I seem to recall, to get fast PWM, I had to use Timer1 and not use the
 Arduino PWM library. I wonder if the resolver decoder might be improved
 in a similar fashion? I haven't had the time to study Andy's code, but
 it may already be optimized.
 It is all driven by interrupts and direct register writes, it doesn't
 use any Arduino libraries at all, not for PWM generation, not for
 analogue reading and not even for computing the arctan.
 (it uses an integer-only algorithm and a lookup table)

 http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/uploads/Resolver.pde
 My servo amp has a very good resolver interface, featuring 10kHz excitation 
 with driver(8Vpp signal, to reduce noise), lowpass filter, and 12 bit 
 resolution.
 included are eagle files, spice simulation, and code.
 It could be used to make a converter to other interfaces, or you can just use 
 the whole project to drive your servos.
 It has even got a hal implementation to configure things at runtime.

 https://github.com/rene-dev/stmbl

 Rene



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Re: [Emc-users] Motor Resolvers

2014-11-21 Thread Rene Hopf
IRAMX-drv-v2 as a driver board, and res with the stm32f4discovery.
The video is only at 160V.
If we met in Stuttgart, it is the same hardware, running at higher voltage, and 
improved software.
I am currently developing new hardware.

Rene

 On 21 Nov 2014, at 09:39, Marius Liebenberg mar...@mastercut.co.za wrote:
 
 Hi Rene
 Very interesting work you have done there. Which one of the hardware 
 options is used in the video demonstration?
 
 On 2014-11-21 03:56, Rene Hopf wrote:
 On 20 Nov 2014, at 19:14, andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 On 20 November 2014 17:56, Kirk Wallace kwall...@wallacecompany.com wrote:
 I seem to recall, to get fast PWM, I had to use Timer1 and not use the
 Arduino PWM library. I wonder if the resolver decoder might be improved
 in a similar fashion? I haven't had the time to study Andy's code, but
 it may already be optimized.
 It is all driven by interrupts and direct register writes, it doesn't
 use any Arduino libraries at all, not for PWM generation, not for
 analogue reading and not even for computing the arctan.
 (it uses an integer-only algorithm and a lookup table)
 
 http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/uploads/Resolver.pde
 My servo amp has a very good resolver interface, featuring 10kHz excitation 
 with driver(8Vpp signal, to reduce noise), lowpass filter, and 12 bit 
 resolution.
 included are eagle files, spice simulation, and code.
 It could be used to make a converter to other interfaces, or you can just 
 use the whole project to drive your servos.
 It has even got a hal implementation to configure things at runtime.
 
 https://github.com/rene-dev/stmbl
 
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[Emc-users] LCNC 2.6.4 (Release) - Replace Bundled Mesaflash utility?

2014-11-21 Thread Ted Hyde
Greets -
I've been playing with the Wheezy/2.6.4 release on the Live ISO and 
intended to move it over to an older 2.4 machine while upgrading 
hardware in the process. (old system: Mesa 7i43)
The target machine will have a Mesa 7i90 via EPP. The included samples 
do not run, unfortunately.
Peter assisted somewhat, in that there is a typo in the 7i90.ini file 
where the board name needs to have a capital I, but that only gets us 
partway.

The version of Mesaflash utility bundled with the install is 3.0.0-July 
which has the '--list' option still available. When executed via script 
or CLI,  it throws a Segmentation Fault.

Downloading the current ver 3.0.0 that does NOT have the '--list' 
option (time to change the version numbers, isn't it?) builds and 
executes, and successfully finds the 7i90 board attached.

Apt, however still believes the old version is current, so even 
removing and force reloading the package won't update it. LCNC insists 
on using the old version when it finds it, and balks when it was 
force-removed. I saw an old thread on gmane about this, but it didn't 
appear to get resolved.

I realize this is a more generic Linux question overall to some extents, 
but it's specific to the LCNC build:  it's not how does one make the 
package, but WHERE should it be extracted to, made from and made to, so 
that LCNC uses it?

The loading of the hm2_7i90 driver appears to depend on running 
mesaflash (according to dmesg), so there's no moving forward it seems 
until I can resolve this.

Thanks,
Ted.

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Re: [Emc-users] Motor Resolvers

2014-11-21 Thread Marius Liebenberg
What are you changing on the hardware?

On 2014-11-21 13:06, Rene Hopf wrote:
 IRAMX-drv-v2 as a driver board, and res with the stm32f4discovery.
 The video is only at 160V.
 If we met in Stuttgart, it is the same hardware, running at higher voltage, 
 and improved software.
 I am currently developing new hardware.

 Rene

 On 21 Nov 2014, at 09:39, Marius Liebenberg mar...@mastercut.co.za wrote:

 Hi Rene
 Very interesting work you have done there. Which one of the hardware
 options is used in the video demonstration?

 On 2014-11-21 03:56, Rene Hopf wrote:
 On 20 Nov 2014, at 19:14, andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 20 November 2014 17:56, Kirk Wallace kwall...@wallacecompany.com 
 wrote:
 I seem to recall, to get fast PWM, I had to use Timer1 and not use the
 Arduino PWM library. I wonder if the resolver decoder might be improved
 in a similar fashion? I haven't had the time to study Andy's code, but
 it may already be optimized.
 It is all driven by interrupts and direct register writes, it doesn't
 use any Arduino libraries at all, not for PWM generation, not for
 analogue reading and not even for computing the arctan.
 (it uses an integer-only algorithm and a lookup table)

 http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/uploads/Resolver.pde
 My servo amp has a very good resolver interface, featuring 10kHz excitation 
 with driver(8Vpp signal, to reduce noise), lowpass filter, and 12 bit 
 resolution.
 included are eagle files, spice simulation, and code.
 It could be used to make a converter to other interfaces, or you can just 
 use the whole project to drive your servos.
 It has even got a hal implementation to configure things at runtime.

 https://github.com/rene-dev/stmbl

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Re: [Emc-users] Screw Mapping

2014-11-21 Thread andy pugh
On 18 November 2014 12:12, Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote:
 I see the man page for lincurve has been simplified since I last tried to
 use it for spindle speed corrections on my lathe in 2013.

Better?

http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/html/man/man9/lincurve.9.html


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Re: [Emc-users] i guess i need a new motherboard for new linuxcnc

2014-11-21 Thread Ricardo Moscoloni
Couldnt agree more with PCW. i have this (j1800n-d2p), working with a 5i25.
http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=4895#ov
very decent board, have a pp, and despite some problems with the bios (F1
version doesnt work), upgrading to F2 solved the problem, mine is working
on debian wheezy (couldnt do in precise), have to tweak some bios items,
like disable usb3 support, to have usb working.
Use this boards with a pico power supply and a 16gb dom ssd (thanks andy!),
and you have a compact and eficient main control unit.
For non linux guys like me, setting folder sharing and vnc was a pain, i
have a guide to do it, if someone need it.
regards
rck




2014-11-20 14:55 GMT-02:00 Peter C. Wallace p...@mesanet.com:

 On Thu, 20 Nov 2014, andy pugh wrote:

  Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2014 16:50:23 +
  From: andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com
  Reply-To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)
  emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
  To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
 
  Subject: Re: [Emc-users] i guess i need a new motherboard for new
 linuxcnc
 
  On 20 November 2014 16:37, Peter C. Wallace p...@mesanet.com wrote:
 
  Thats one of the many J1800,J1900,J2900 motherboards that have
 displaced the
  older D525 and D2550,D2800 based motherboards in the low power X86 range
 
  I wonder if this one would be any good? It looks like single 12V
  power, which is a big plus.
  http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157495
 
  I think I see a parallel port header.
 
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 Yep, if you zoom in you can see a 26 pin header labeled LPT1


 
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[Emc-users] Question for larger machine users of LCNC

2014-11-21 Thread Jeff Johnson
This is a question for people using LCNC on larger machine tools. We have
been patiently waiting for jog while paused and it does not look like we are
getting it anytime soon. My question is how are others working around this?
For instance I am working on a job machining gears with hardened teeth and
we have to remove .250 form one face, roughing insert lasts about 2/3 of the
way through the roughing program and we have to rotate the insert. Feed hold
leaves us in a position too close to the part to change the insert. Our only
solution is to exit program and move tool away to rotate insert and restart
program from the beginning and cut air  until we get back into the cut. We
try to run from line but even if we call constant surface feed in our MDI
spindle start the spindle runs at the cap RPM. 

 

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Re: [Emc-users] Question for larger machine users of LCNC

2014-11-21 Thread pc
Perhaps you could tweak the program with a clearance move and optional stop at 
the expected insert change points?


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Subject: [Emc-users] Question for larger machine users of LCNC

This is a question for people using LCNC on larger machine tools. We have
been patiently waiting for jog while paused and it does not look like we are
getting it anytime soon. My question is how are others working around this?
For instance I am working on a job machining gears with hardened teeth and
we have to remove .250 form one face, roughing insert lasts about 2/3 of the
way through the roughing program and we have to rotate the insert. Feed hold
leaves us in a position too close to the part to change the insert. Our only
solution is to exit program and move tool away to rotate insert and restart
program from the beginning and cut air  until we get back into the cut. We
try to run from line but even if we call constant surface feed in our MDI
spindle start the spindle runs at the cap RPM. 

 

Jeff Johnson

john...@superiorroll.com

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734-279-1831

 

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Re: [Emc-users] Question for larger machine users of LCNC

2014-11-21 Thread John Kasunich
This doesn't directly answer your question about jog-while-paused, but I'm
curious about the specific use case you describe.

How do you decide when to change the insert?  Do you wait until it chips
or starts cutting poorly?  Or do you always change it at the same point
because you know it won't last all the way through?

If you wait for it to chip or stop cutting properly, it seems to me that it 
isn't
good enough to simply pause, jog away, change the insert, jog back, and
resume.  Don't you have to actually back up in the program a bit and
re-machine the area that was improperly cut?

On the other hand, if you have decided to always change the insert at the
2/3 mark just to be safe, then can't you simply program the change in the
g-code?  At the end of a pass, rapid over to a safe spot, stop the spindle,
and do the change.  Then start the next pass.




On Fri, Nov 21, 2014, at 09:40 AM, Jeff Johnson wrote:
 This is a question for people using LCNC on larger machine tools. We have
 been patiently waiting for jog while paused and it does not look like we are
 getting it anytime soon. My question is how are others working around this?
 For instance I am working on a job machining gears with hardened teeth and
 we have to remove .250 form one face, roughing insert lasts about 2/3 of the
 way through the roughing program and we have to rotate the insert. Feed hold
 leaves us in a position too close to the part to change the insert. Our only
 solution is to exit program and move tool away to rotate insert and restart
 program from the beginning and cut air  until we get back into the cut. We
 try to run from line but even if we call constant surface feed in our MDI
 spindle start the spindle runs at the cap RPM. 
 
  
 
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 734-279-1831
 
  
 
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Re: [Emc-users] Screw Mapping

2014-11-21 Thread John Kasunich
Typo:

The maximum number if (x,y) points supported is 16.

Should be number OF (x,y) points.



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 On 18 November 2014 12:12, Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote:
  I see the man page for lincurve has been simplified since I last tried to
  use it for spindle speed corrections on my lathe in 2013.
 
 Better?
 
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Re: [Emc-users] Question for larger machine users of LCNC

2014-11-21 Thread Ed
On 11/21/2014 08:40 AM, Jeff Johnson wrote:
 This is a question for people using LCNC on larger machine tools. We have
 been patiently waiting for jog while paused and it does not look like we are
 getting it anytime soon. My question is how are others working around this?
 For instance I am working on a job machining gears with hardened teeth and
 we have to remove .250 form one face, roughing insert lasts about 2/3 of the
 way through the roughing program and we have to rotate the insert. Feed hold
 leaves us in a position too close to the part to change the insert. Our only
 solution is to exit program and move tool away to rotate insert and restart
 program from the beginning and cut air  until we get back into the cut. We
 try to run from line but even if we call constant surface feed in our MDI
 spindle start the spindle runs at the cap RPM.



If it is a consistent amount and predictable wear, one QD solution is 
to program to rough to half the amount, stop spindle, move tool, M1 to 
pause, change insert, S to restart, move tool back and restart cut.

On a similar note, I have a lathe with a 6T Fanuc control. It will let 
you pause, move tool, do whatever, and restart cut, The caveat is that 
the tool has to be moved back to the EXACT position that you moved it 
from at pause.

Ed.


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Re: [Emc-users] LCNC 2.6.4 (Release) - Replace Bundled Mesaflash utility?

2014-11-21 Thread Peter C. Wallace
On Fri, 21 Nov 2014, Ted Hyde wrote:

 Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2014 07:26:21 -0500
 From: Ted Hyde laser...@gmail.com
 Reply-To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)
 emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
 To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
 Subject: [Emc-users] LCNC 2.6.4 (Release) - Replace Bundled Mesaflash utility?
 
 Greets -
 I've been playing with the Wheezy/2.6.4 release on the Live ISO and
 intended to move it over to an older 2.4 machine while upgrading
 hardware in the process. (old system: Mesa 7i43)
 The target machine will have a Mesa 7i90 via EPP. The included samples
 do not run, unfortunately.
 Peter assisted somewhat, in that there is a typo in the 7i90.ini file
 where the board name needs to have a capital I, but that only gets us
 partway.


The typo I found was a capital 'I' in the BOARD= line
This seems to have been fixed in the latest ISO




 The version of Mesaflash utility bundled with the install is 3.0.0-July
 which has the '--list' option still available. When executed via script
 or CLI,  it throws a Segmentation Fault.

 Downloading the current ver 3.0.0 that does NOT have the '--list'
 option (time to change the version numbers, isn't it?) builds and
 executes, and successfully finds the 7i90 board attached.

 Apt, however still believes the old version is current, so even
 removing and force reloading the package won't update it. LCNC insists
 on using the old version when it finds it, and balks when it was
 force-removed. I saw an old thread on gmane about this, but it didn't
 appear to get resolved.

 I realize this is a more generic Linux question overall to some extents,
 but it's specific to the LCNC build:  it's not how does one make the
 package, but WHERE should it be extracted to, made from and made to, so
 that LCNC uses it?

 The loading of the hm2_7i90 driver appears to depend on running
 mesaflash (according to dmesg), so there's no moving forward it seems
 until I can resolve this.


The driver does not depend on mesaflash, and works for me with the included
hm2-servo/7i90.ini file (after I fixed the typo)


What exact error message do you get?



 Thanks,
 Ted.

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Re: [Emc-users] Question for larger machine users of LCNC

2014-11-21 Thread andy pugh
On 21 November 2014 14:40, Jeff Johnson john...@superiorroll.com wrote:

 This is a question for people using LCNC on larger machine tools. We have
 been patiently waiting for jog while paused and it does not look like we are
 getting it anytime soon.

I can think if a workaround, though it isn't especially nice, and a
working jog-while-paused would be better.

A PyVCP / GladeVCP or physical button could be added that feeds in an
offset to the commmanded X and Z positions.

In HAL this would be AND-ed with halui.program.is-paused  so that the
button is only active when the machine is paused, then it would
operate a mux2 compionent that passes either 0 or the chosen retract
through a Limit3 component and then to two offset components
interposed between axis.0.motor-position-cmd and pid.0.command and
between axis.2.motor-position-cmd and pid.2.command.

So, when the machine is paused it is possible to press a HAL button
that offsets the tool away from the work. This would only work for
typical right-to-left cutting, where a positive offset in X and Y is
what is needed.

Of course adoption of one of the jog-while-paused options that have
been coded would be a better solution.

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Re: [Emc-users] Question for larger machine users of LCNC

2014-11-21 Thread Lee Lancaster
You could place some tool change spots using block delete around where tool
changes commonly occur.  When the tooling starts to sound bad just toggle
block delete on and change your tooling.  Restart program and toggle BD off.
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Re: [Emc-users] Question for larger machine users of LCNC

2014-11-21 Thread Pete Matos
Honestly while I am sure there are ways to workaround that particular
problem I have had many situations where a jog while paused feature would
have come in very very handy. It is really something sorely missing from
LinuxCNC. Hell even being able to just stop the spindle or turn off the
coolant would be nice to check progress let alone being able to move tool
away and inspect the work during a program. This is something that would be
very useful in a multitude of operational situations. Peace

Pete


On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 10:03 AM, andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 21 November 2014 14:40, Jeff Johnson john...@superiorroll.com wrote:

  This is a question for people using LCNC on larger machine tools. We have
  been patiently waiting for jog while paused and it does not look like we
 are
  getting it anytime soon.

 I can think if a workaround, though it isn't especially nice, and a
 working jog-while-paused would be better.

 A PyVCP / GladeVCP or physical button could be added that feeds in an
 offset to the commmanded X and Z positions.

 In HAL this would be AND-ed with halui.program.is-paused  so that the
 button is only active when the machine is paused, then it would
 operate a mux2 compionent that passes either 0 or the chosen retract
 through a Limit3 component and then to two offset components
 interposed between axis.0.motor-position-cmd and pid.0.command and
 between axis.2.motor-position-cmd and pid.2.command.

 So, when the machine is paused it is possible to press a HAL button
 that offsets the tool away from the work. This would only work for
 typical right-to-left cutting, where a positive offset in X and Y is
 what is needed.

 Of course adoption of one of the jog-while-paused options that have
 been coded would be a better solution.

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[Emc-users] . Re: Question for larger machine users of LCNC

2014-11-21 Thread Jeff Johnson
John Kasunick wrote

 

This doesn't directly answer your question about jog-while-paused, but I'm

curious about the specific use case you describe.

 

How do you decide when to change the insert?  Do you wait until it chips

or starts cutting poorly?  Or do you always change it at the same point

because you know it won't last all the way through?

 

We let the insert go as long as possible usually..ceramic inserts will start
to notch on the interrupted cut (60-62 Rc) if we can make it all of the way
through we will and let the finish tool clean it up. 

 

If you wait for it to chip or stop cutting properly, it seems to me that it
isn't

good enough to simply pause, jog away, change the insert, jog back, and

resume.  Don't you have to actually back up in the program a bit and

re-machine the area that was improperly cut?

 

Not really on roughing cuts. We always use a fresh tool on finish cuts to
make sure any sins get covered up.  

 

 

On the other hand, if you have decided to always change the insert at the

2/3 mark just to be safe, then can't you simply program the change in the

g-code?  At the end of a pass, rapid over to a safe spot, stop the spindle,

and do the change.  Then start the next pass.

 

See above... not always the case. In a production situation this would work
in our case we are running 8 pieces of this particular job and that is a lot
for us. 

 

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Re: [Emc-users] Question for larger machine users of LCNC

2014-11-21 Thread Chris Morley

Block delete can't be changed while the program is running :(

Honestly I don't think he was asking for a workaround. He is asking for utility.

Unfortunately the developers that could do this don't see the need nor are 
intrigued by the technical issues to overcome. Or are working on a fork :)
If the developers are not interested it's not going to get done.
I wouldn't hold my breath for jog while paused.

Chris M

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To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: [Emc-users] Question for larger machine users of LCNC
Date: Fri, Nov 21, 2014 7:07 AM


You could place some tool change spots using block delete around where tool
changes commonly occur.  When the tooling starts to sound bad just toggle
block delete on and change your tooling.  Restart program and toggle BD off.
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Re: [Emc-users] question for users of LCNC on larger machine tools

2014-11-21 Thread Jeff Johnson
We have also tried invoking G96 and starting our spindle in MDI and then run
from line but for some reason it just runs at the commanded s rpm in our
case we are trying to run 800 surface feet but we are getting 800 RPM
instead. When the G96 is invoked from the program everything works just
fine. 

 

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Re: [Emc-users] Question for larger machine users of LCNC

2014-11-21 Thread Dave Caroline
If this is in an ocode loop just write in a start offset n teeth so
you dont need to cut air on the restart just rotate till offset and
continue.

Dave Caroline

On 21/11/2014, Chris Morley chrisinnana...@hotmail.com wrote:

 Block delete can't be changed while the program is running :(

 Honestly I don't think he was asking for a workaround. He is asking for
 utility.

 Unfortunately the developers that could do this don't see the need nor are
 intrigued by the technical issues to overcome. Or are working on a fork :)
 If the developers are not interested it's not going to get done.
 I wouldn't hold my breath for jog while paused.

 Chris M

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 To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
 Subject: [Emc-users] Question for larger machine users of LCNC
 Date: Fri, Nov 21, 2014 7:07 AM


 You could place some tool change spots using block delete around where tool
 changes commonly occur.  When the tooling starts to sound bad just toggle
 block delete on and change your tooling.  Restart program and toggle BD
 off.
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Re: [Emc-users] Question for larger machine users of LCNC

2014-11-21 Thread andy pugh
On 21 November 2014 15:18, Chris Morley chrisinnana...@hotmail.com wrote:
 Unfortunately the developers that could do this don't see the need nor are 
 intrigued by the technical issues to overcome. Or are working on a fork :)

Well, there is that: https://github.com/machinekit/machinekit/pull/109

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[Emc-users] Question for larger machine users of LCNC

2014-11-21 Thread David Dyke
Message: 5
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2014 09:40:04 -0500
From: Jeff Johnson john...@superiorroll.com
Subject: [Emc-users] Question for larger machine users of LCNC
To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
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This is a question for people using LCNC on larger machine tools. We have
been patiently waiting for jog while paused and it does not look like we are
getting it anytime soon. My question is how are others working around this?
For instance I am working on a job machining gears with hardened teeth and
we have to remove .250 form one face, roughing insert lasts about 2/3 of the
way through the roughing program and we have to rotate the insert. Feed hold
leaves us in a position too close to the part to change the insert. Our only
solution is to exit program and move tool away to rotate insert and restart
program from the beginning and cut air  until we get back into the cut. We
try to run from line but even if we call constant surface feed in our MDI
spindle start the spindle runs at the cap RPM.

I too, am unable to run from line with my lathe and have CSS work correctly.

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Re: [Emc-users] Question for larger machine users of LCNC

2014-11-21 Thread Jeff Johnson
 

From: Ed ate...@mwt.net mailto:ate...@mwt.net 

Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Question for larger machine users of LCNC

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On 11/21/2014 08:40 AM, Jeff Johnson wrote:

 This is a question for people using LCNC on larger machine tools. We have

 been patiently waiting for jog while paused and it does not look like we
are

 getting it anytime soon. My question is how are others working around
this?

 For instance I am working on a job machining gears with hardened teeth and

 we have to remove .250 form one face, roughing insert lasts about 2/3 of
the

 way through the roughing program and we have to rotate the insert. Feed
hold

 leaves us in a position too close to the part to change the insert. Our
only

 solution is to exit program and move tool away to rotate insert and
restart

 program from the beginning and cut air  until we get back into the cut. We

 try to run from line but even if we call constant surface feed in our MDI

 spindle start the spindle runs at the cap RPM.

 

 

 

If it is a consistent amount and predictable wear, one QD solution is 

to program to rough to half the amount, stop spindle, move tool, M1 to 

pause, change insert, S to restart, move tool back and restart cut.

 

On a similar note, I have a lathe with a 6T Fanuc control. It will let 

you pause, move tool, do whatever, and restart cut, The caveat is that 

the tool has to be moved back to the EXACT position that you moved it 

from at pause.

 

Ed.

 

Every control (Cincinnati, Heidenhain, Fagor)  we have in the shop has this
ability except LCNC I have 9 Turning centers and 6 CNC mills.   I understand
free comes at a cost LOL...I currently have three Turning centers running
LCNC and a vertical machining center in process of getting LCNC  and I just
bought a couple of VTL's  with Fanuc 6T controls that will be retrofitted
with something. I am running big work and insert and or cutter failures are
common. Constant and predictable just does not come to light in our job shop
environment I am sure it would in a production situation and I would gladly
program around it. I am grateful to have found this software and glad we
took the time tackle the learning curve as we are better off for it but as I
said earlier there is a cost to pay and in our case this is one of them.

 

Even if we could call up our spindle parameters in MDI and run from line
(being very careful) it would be much better but as I pointed out in another
post the G96 is for some reason ignored from MDI even though the flag does
come up.

 

 

Jeff Johnson

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Re: [Emc-users] Question for larger machine users of LCNC

2014-11-21 Thread dave

On 11/21/2014 06:40 AM, Jeff Johnson wrote:
 This is a question for people using LCNC on larger machine tools. We have
 been patiently waiting for jog while paused and it does not look like we are
 getting it anytime soon. My question is how are others working around this?
 For instance I am working on a job machining gears with hardened teeth and
 we have to remove .250 form one face, roughing insert lasts about 2/3 of the
 way through the roughing program and we have to rotate the insert. Feed hold
 leaves us in a position too close to the part to change the insert. Our only
 solution is to exit program and move tool away to rotate insert and restart
 program from the beginning and cut air  until we get back into the cut. We
 try to run from line but even if we call constant surface feed in our MDI
 spindle start the spindle runs at the cap RPM.

   

 Jeff Johnson

 john...@superiorroll.com

 Superior Roll  Turning

 734-279-1831

   Hi Jeff,
 It might be easier to fix the run from line than get the jog while 
paused.
 Arriving at the  proper setting for start from line is a matter of 
scanning
 all the code up to the restart and setting the parameters 
correctly. I did this for tkemc years ago but naturally the code has 
disappeared and I'm not at all
 certain I could recreate it. Basically it has to do with setting 
all the codes before
 the restart that are modal.  eg. build a small program that used 
gcode to set
 the parameters, stream all the remaining code to a temp file. Cat 
the parameter
 gcode to the front of the tmp file and run as a program. Not 
exactly elegant but
 it does work.
 Hope you didn't get too bored reading this.

 As for axis I have no idea what their internal approach is.

 Dave
  
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Re: [Emc-users] Question for larger machine users of LCNC

2014-11-21 Thread Pete Matos
I had heard that machinkit has the jog while paused or was going to be
using it.  Nice to see so much work going into it from a couple dedicated
guys thank you.   Was just talking to my friend Art and apparently even the
 turboCNC he uses  has jog while paused. As I recall the HAAS machines we
ran at work had the feature.  It really is something very very useful in a
lot of different situations. I know it was kinda buggy in Mach3 when I used
it, well more than kinda but it was there and if you knew how to use it you
could get it to work for you.

On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 10:39 AM, andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 21 November 2014 15:18, Chris Morley chrisinnana...@hotmail.com
 wrote:
  Unfortunately the developers that could do this don't see the need nor
 are intrigued by the technical issues to overcome. Or are working on a fork
 :)

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Re: [Emc-users] Question for larger machine users of LCNC

2014-11-21 Thread Eric Keller
On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 11:00 AM, Pete Matos petefro...@gmail.com wrote:

 I had heard that machinkit has the jog while paused or was going to be
 using it.  Nice to see so much work going into it from a couple dedicated
 guys thank you.   Was just talking to my friend Art and apparently even the
  turboCNC he uses  has jog while paused. As I recall the HAAS machines we
 ran at work had the feature.  It really is something very very useful in a
 lot of different situations.


Just out of curiosity, I assume in most controls you have to manually
ensure that the tool returns to the workpiece in a way that doesn't cause a
crash.  Or does it just record the jog path and reverse it?
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Re: [Emc-users] LCNC 2.6.4 (Release) - Replace Bundled Mesaflash utility?

2014-11-21 Thread Ted Hyde
Peter -
dmesg dump at: http://pastebin.com/2uZJV2Gi

but the core is an inconsistent Module Descriptor

What led me to believe Mesaflash was important is that when I had it 
installed, and prior a force removal, it would load just after the 
RTAI[math] section and give two lines of segmentation faults. Seemed 
logical at the time that perhaps it was trying to perform some form of 
lookup (like probe_parport). May have just been coincidental.

Additionally, the sample files don't include a 'loadrt epp' reference, 
per the man pages - is this necessary?

Thanks,
Ted.
On 11/21/2014 10:10 AM, emc-users-requ...@lists.sourceforge.net wrote:
 Message: 4
 Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2014 07:01:12 -0800 (PST)
 From: Peter C. Wallacep...@mesanet.com
 Subject: Re: [Emc-users] LCNC 2.6.4 (Release) - Replace Bundled
   Mesaflash utility?
 To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)
   emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
 Message-ID:pine.neb.4.64.1411210602010.11...@freeby.mesanet.com
 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed

 On Fri, 21 Nov 2014, Ted Hyde wrote:

 Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2014 07:26:21 -0500
 From: Ted Hydelaser...@gmail.com
 Reply-To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)
  emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
 To:emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
 Subject: [Emc-users] LCNC 2.6.4 (Release) - Replace Bundled Mesaflash 
 utility?
 
 Greets -
 I've been playing with the Wheezy/2.6.4 release on the Live ISO and
 intended to move it over to an older 2.4 machine while upgrading
 hardware in the process. (old system: Mesa 7i43)
 The target machine will have a Mesa 7i90 via EPP. The included samples
 do not run, unfortunately.
 Peter assisted somewhat, in that there is a typo in the 7i90.ini file
 where the board name needs to have a capital I, but that only gets us
 partway.
 The typo I found was a capital 'I' in the BOARD= line
 This seems to have been fixed in the latest ISO



 
 The version of Mesaflash utility bundled with the install is 3.0.0-July
 which has the '--list' option still available. When executed via script
 or CLI,  it throws a Segmentation Fault.
 
 Downloading the current ver 3.0.0 that does NOT have the '--list'
 option (time to change the version numbers, isn't it?) builds and
 executes, and successfully finds the 7i90 board attached.
 
 Apt, however still believes the old version is current, so even
 removing and force reloading the package won't update it. LCNC insists
 on using the old version when it finds it, and balks when it was
 force-removed. I saw an old thread on gmane about this, but it didn't
 appear to get resolved.
 
 I realize this is a more generic Linux question overall to some extents,
 but it's specific to the LCNC build:  it's not how does one make the
 package, but WHERE should it be extracted to, made from and made to, so
 that LCNC uses it?
 
 The loading of the hm2_7i90 driver appears to depend on running
 mesaflash (according to dmesg), so there's no moving forward it seems
 until I can resolve this.
 The driver does not depend on mesaflash, and works for me with the included
 hm2-servo/7i90.ini file (after I fixed the typo)


 What exact error message do you get?




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Re: [Emc-users] Question for larger machine users of LCNC

2014-11-21 Thread Pete Matos
As I recall we usually would jog away, take care of whatever needed
addressing and then kinda jog near to where it was before but never
precisely where it was before and hit go and it would take care of the
rest.  I honestly don't remember exactly how it worked just that it worked
and we used it an awful lot in a job shop environment.  here is a page I
found on the HAAS setup and how it works...

http://atyourservice.haascnc.com/expert-tip/run-stop-jog-continue/

On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 11:12 AM, Eric Keller eekel...@psu.edu wrote:

 On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 11:00 AM, Pete Matos petefro...@gmail.com wrote:

  I had heard that machinkit has the jog while paused or was going to be
  using it.  Nice to see so much work going into it from a couple dedicated
  guys thank you.   Was just talking to my friend Art and apparently even
 the
   turboCNC he uses  has jog while paused. As I recall the HAAS machines we
  ran at work had the feature.  It really is something very very useful in
 a
  lot of different situations.
 

 Just out of curiosity, I assume in most controls you have to manually
 ensure that the tool returns to the workpiece in a way that doesn't cause a
 crash.  Or does it just record the jog path and reverse it?

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Re: [Emc-users] LCNC 2.6.4 (Release) - Replace Bundled Mesaflash utility?

2014-11-21 Thread Peter C. Wallace
  On Fri, 21 Nov 2014, Ted Hyde wrote:

 Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2014 11:27:13 -0500
 From: Ted Hyde laser...@gmail.com
 Reply-To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)
 emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
 To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
 Subject: Re: [Emc-users] LCNC 2.6.4 (Release) - Replace Bundled Mesaflash
 utility?
 
 Peter -
 dmesg dump at: http://pastebin.com/2uZJV2Gi

 but the core is an inconsistent Module Descriptor


OK this is a bit file error, Can you re-flash the 7I90 with a standard bitfile 
and try again?


 What led me to believe Mesaflash was important is that when I had it
 installed, and prior a force removal, it would load just after the
 RTAI[math] section and give two lines of segmentation faults. Seemed
 logical at the time that perhaps it was trying to perform some form of
 lookup (like probe_parport). May have just been coincidental.

 Additionally, the sample files don't include a 'loadrt epp' reference,
 per the man pages - is this necessary?


Dont think so


 Thanks,
 Ted.
 On 11/21/2014 10:10 AM, emc-users-requ...@lists.sourceforge.net wrote:
 Message: 4
 Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2014 07:01:12 -0800 (PST)
 From: Peter C. Wallacep...@mesanet.com
 Subject: Re: [Emc-users] LCNC 2.6.4 (Release) - Replace Bundled
  Mesaflash utility?
 To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)
  emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
 Message-ID:pine.neb.4.64.1411210602010.11...@freeby.mesanet.com
 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed

 On Fri, 21 Nov 2014, Ted Hyde wrote:

 Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2014 07:26:21 -0500
 From: Ted Hydelaser...@gmail.com
 Reply-To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)
 emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
 To:emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
 Subject: [Emc-users] LCNC 2.6.4 (Release) - Replace Bundled Mesaflash 
 utility?

 Greets -
 I've been playing with the Wheezy/2.6.4 release on the Live ISO and
 intended to move it over to an older 2.4 machine while upgrading
 hardware in the process. (old system: Mesa 7i43)
 The target machine will have a Mesa 7i90 via EPP. The included samples
 do not run, unfortunately.
 Peter assisted somewhat, in that there is a typo in the 7i90.ini file
 where the board name needs to have a capital I, but that only gets us
 partway.
 The typo I found was a capital 'I' in the BOARD= line
 This seems to have been fixed in the latest ISO




 The version of Mesaflash utility bundled with the install is 3.0.0-July
 which has the '--list' option still available. When executed via script
 or CLI,  it throws a Segmentation Fault.

 Downloading the current ver 3.0.0 that does NOT have the '--list'
 option (time to change the version numbers, isn't it?) builds and
 executes, and successfully finds the 7i90 board attached.

 Apt, however still believes the old version is current, so even
 removing and force reloading the package won't update it. LCNC insists
 on using the old version when it finds it, and balks when it was
 force-removed. I saw an old thread on gmane about this, but it didn't
 appear to get resolved.

 I realize this is a more generic Linux question overall to some extents,
 but it's specific to the LCNC build:  it's not how does one make the
 package, but WHERE should it be extracted to, made from and made to, so
 that LCNC uses it?

 The loading of the hm2_7i90 driver appears to depend on running
 mesaflash (according to dmesg), so there's no moving forward it seems
 until I can resolve this.
 The driver does not depend on mesaflash, and works for me with the included
 hm2-servo/7i90.ini file (after I fixed the typo)


 What exact error message do you get?




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Re: [Emc-users] i guess i need a new motherboard for new linuxcnc

2014-11-21 Thread Peter C. Wallace
On Fri, 21 Nov 2014, Ricardo Moscoloni wrote:

 Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2014 11:31:59 -0200
 From: Ricardo Moscoloni rmoscol...@gmail.com
 Reply-To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)
 emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
 To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
 Subject: Re: [Emc-users] i guess i need a new motherboard for new linuxcnc
 
 Couldnt agree more with PCW. i have this (j1800n-d2p), working with a 5i25.
 http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=4895#ov
 very decent board, have a pp, and despite some problems with the bios (F1
 version doesnt work), upgrading to F2 solved the problem, mine is working
 on debian wheezy (couldnt do in precise), have to tweak some bios items,
 like disable usb3 support, to have usb working.
 Use this boards with a pico power supply and a 16gb dom ssd (thanks andy!),
 and you have a compact and eficient main control unit.
 For non linux guys like me, setting folder sharing and vnc was a pain, i
 have a guide to do it, if someone need it.
 regards
 rck


The latest wheezy ISO has a updated RTAI kernel to fix the USB issue

Thanks are due to Brian More (sp?) for finding the USB patch
and Sebastian K and Cradek for updating the ISO





 2014-11-20 14:55 GMT-02:00 Peter C. Wallace p...@mesanet.com:

 On Thu, 20 Nov 2014, andy pugh wrote:

 Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2014 16:50:23 +
 From: andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com
 Reply-To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)
 emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
 To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net

 Subject: Re: [Emc-users] i guess i need a new motherboard for new
 linuxcnc

 On 20 November 2014 16:37, Peter C. Wallace p...@mesanet.com wrote:

 Thats one of the many J1800,J1900,J2900 motherboards that have
 displaced the
 older D525 and D2550,D2800 based motherboards in the low power X86 range

 I wonder if this one would be any good? It looks like single 12V
 power, which is a big plus.
 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157495

 I think I see a parallel port header.

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Re: [Emc-users] Question for larger machine users of LCNC

2014-11-21 Thread Rick Lair
All the machines in our shop (Cincinnati Milacron, Fagor, Hermle, just 
to name a few) that are able to perform a jog move during a 
paused/feedhold state, take a straight and direct path back to where the 
pause was enabled, at whatever the maximum jog speed rate is.

In saying this, we acknowledge that if we are say, cutting a bore in a 
part on a turning center, hit feedhold during a program, retract out, 
and jog up, replace or rotate the cutting insert, that you ABSOLUTELY 
HAVE TO jog back down to a point at or below where the cut was being 
made, or the obvious happens, you buy a new piece of material, and work 
on the machine for the next 2 shifts to replace broken taper pins, and 
realign the turret and whatever else broke in the mayhem.



Thanks


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Re: [Emc-users] Question for larger machine users of LCNC

2014-11-21 Thread Pete Matos
I am surprised to hear it RAPIDS back to the paused position. It would seem
a slow move would be much safer or at a fraction of the commanded speed or
something.


On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 12:47 PM, Rick Lair r...@superiorroll.com wrote:

 All the machines in our shop (Cincinnati Milacron, Fagor, Hermle, just
 to name a few) that are able to perform a jog move during a
 paused/feedhold state, take a straight and direct path back to where the
 pause was enabled, at whatever the maximum jog speed rate is.

 In saying this, we acknowledge that if we are say, cutting a bore in a
 part on a turning center, hit feedhold during a program, retract out,
 and jog up, replace or rotate the cutting insert, that you ABSOLUTELY
 HAVE TO jog back down to a point at or below where the cut was being
 made, or the obvious happens, you buy a new piece of material, and work
 on the machine for the next 2 shifts to replace broken taper pins, and
 realign the turret and whatever else broke in the mayhem.



 Thanks


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Re: [Emc-users] Question for larger machine users of LCNC

2014-11-21 Thread Rick Lair
Not at a rapid rate, at the maximum jog rate, 50-60 ipm, not the 400-600 
ipm for the rapids.

Thanks

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Re: [Emc-users] Question for larger machine users of LCNC

2014-11-21 Thread Pete Matos
If you read that HAAS control description of how their Run, stop, jog,
continue works it seems to be pretty logical to me. It simply requires the
OP to after he has jogged to wherever he need to jog back to a position
CLOSE to where the pause happened initially and then hit a key and the
machine then takes over jogging at 5% speed to the original position.  This
seems like a good idea and easier to get the machine to do.  You will note
that it does not allow for TLO changes which while important are not super
critical in my view and apparently theirs too. The changing of an insert
while typically not perfect should not change the offset that much and I
guess it is understood that you would not want to do this on a critical
dimension of a finish pass.  It would sure be nice tho.  Either way just
having the ability to raise the millhead and turn the spindle and coolant
on and off to take a quick measurement or inspect progress would be a big
deal for me.  Peace

Pete


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 Not at a rapid rate, at the maximum jog rate, 50-60 ipm, not the 400-600
 ipm for the rapids.

 Thanks

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[Emc-users] conv_s32_u32.0--??

2014-11-21 Thread a k
Hi

I have question about code to identify G0 and G1.

Here is code that put in.



###

###

loadrt mux_generic config=bb7

loadrt conv_s32_u32



addf conv_s32_u32.0 servo-thread

addf mux_gen.00 servo-thread



setp hm2_5i20.0.GPIO.040.is.output true

setp hm2_5i20.0.GPIO.040.invert_output true



net mode-signed motion.motion-type = conv_s32_u32.0.in

net mode-unsigned conv_s32u32.out = mux_gen.00.sel-int

net mode-out mux_gen.00.out = hm2_5i20.0.GPIO.040.out





setp mux_gen.00.in-bit-01  0   ## rapid feed

setp mux_gen.00.in-bit-02  1   ## straight feed

setp mux_gen.00.in-bit-03  1   ## arc feed

setp mux_gen.00.in-bit-04  0   ## toolchange

setp mux_gen.00.in-bit-05  0   ## probing

setp mux_gen.00.in-bit-06  0   ## index rotary





###



and error ---Function ---conv_s32_u32.0-- not found



and line to which it referring is here

addf conv_s32_u32.0 servo-thread



is something wrong here?

Is there similar working sample to compare it ?



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Re: [Emc-users] conv_s32_u32.0--??

2014-11-21 Thread Peter C. Wallace
On Fri, 21 Nov 2014, a k wrote:

 Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2014 11:42:03 -0800
 From: a k pccncmach...@gmail.com
 Reply-To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)
 emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
 To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
 Subject: [Emc-users] conv_s32_u32.0--??
 
 Hi

 I have question about code to identify G0 and G1.

 Here is code that put in.



 ###

 ###

 loadrt mux_generic config=bb7

 loadrt conv_s32_u32



 addf conv_s32_u32.0 servo-thread

this should be

addf conv_s32_u32 servo-thread

There is an error in the manual page for conv_s32_u32



 addf mux_gen.00 servo-thread



 setp hm2_5i20.0.GPIO.040.is.output true

 setp hm2_5i20.0.GPIO.040.invert_output true



 net mode-signed motion.motion-type = conv_s32_u32.0.in

 net mode-unsigned conv_s32u32.out = mux_gen.00.sel-int

 net mode-out mux_gen.00.out = hm2_5i20.0.GPIO.040.out





 setp mux_gen.00.in-bit-01  0   ## rapid feed

 setp mux_gen.00.in-bit-02  1   ## straight feed

 setp mux_gen.00.in-bit-03  1   ## arc feed

 setp mux_gen.00.in-bit-04  0   ## toolchange

 setp mux_gen.00.in-bit-05  0   ## probing

 setp mux_gen.00.in-bit-06  0   ## index rotary





 ###



 and error ---Function ---conv_s32_u32.0-- not found



 and line to which it referring is here

 addf conv_s32_u32.0 servo-thread



 is something wrong here?

 Is there similar working sample to compare it ?



 Thank

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Re: [Emc-users] Question for larger machine users of LCNC

2014-11-21 Thread Rick Lair
I would have to agree with that from HAAS, it sounds like a pretty good 
description of what needs to happen.



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Re: [Emc-users] conv_s32_u32.0--??

2014-11-21 Thread andy pugh
The underscores should (nearly) all be hyphens

halcmd: loadrt conv_u32_s32
halcmd: loadrt mux_generic config=bb7
halcmd: show pin
Component Pins:
 4  u32   IN 0x  conv-u32-s32.0.in
 4  s32   OUT 0  conv-u32-s32.0.out
 4  bit   OUT FALSE  conv-u32-s32.0.out-of-range
 5  u32   IN 0x  mux-gen.00.debounce-us
 5  bit   IN  FALSE  mux-gen.00.in-bit-00
 5  bit   IN  FALSE  mux-gen.00.in-bit-01
 5  bit   IN  FALSE  mux-gen.00.in-bit-02
 5  bit   IN  FALSE  mux-gen.00.in-bit-03
 5  bit   IN  FALSE  mux-gen.00.in-bit-04
 5  bit   IN  FALSE  mux-gen.00.in-bit-05
 5  bit   IN  FALSE  mux-gen.00.in-bit-06
 5  bit   OUT FALSE  mux-gen.00.out-bit
 5  u32   IN 0x  mux-gen.00.sel-int
 5  bit   IN  FALSE  mux-gen.00.suppress-no-input


halcmd: show funct
Exported Functions:
Owner   CodeAddr  Arg   FP   Users  Name
 4  f848a000  f8a430b8  NO   0   conv-u32-s32.0
 5  f84ee210  f8a430d8  NO   0   mux-gen.00


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[Emc-users] was larger machines now jog while paused

2014-11-21 Thread Jeff Johnson
Pete Wrote

 

If you read that HAAS control description of how their Run, stop, jog,

continue works it seems to be pretty logical to me. It simply requires the

OP to after he has jogged to wherever he need to jog back to a position

CLOSE to where the pause happened initially and then hit a key and the

machine then takes over jogging at 5% speed to the original position.  This

seems like a good idea and easier to get the machine to do.  You will note

that it does not allow for TLO changes which while important are not super

critical in my view and apparently theirs too. The changing of an insert

while typically not perfect should not change the offset that much and I

guess it is understood that you would not want to do this on a critical

dimension of a finish pass.  It would sure be nice tho.  Either way just

having the ability to raise the millhead and turn the spindle and coolant

on and off to take a quick measurement or inspect progress would be a big

deal for me.  Peace

 

Pete

 

 

Most of our controls have the ability to feed override the jog speed. There
has been a move to get away from this in lcnc and this is an example why we
still want the option. Heading back into a cut you can have control over
that speed.

 

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Re: [Emc-users] was larger machines now jog while paused

2014-11-21 Thread Pete Matos
Jeff,
 Yeah I cannot imagine why you would NOT want a feed override or a
spindle override slider. I use mine all the time to either carefully run
thru a program at slower speed,  check the approach of a toolpath to the
workpiece, or just to optimize a feed or speed that has already been
programmed to get a better finish etc. etc.

I think on some level much of this trepidation comes from worrying
about inexperienced users crashing due to these features. I completely
understand their concerns but perhaps some of these more advanced features
could be added yet disabled in the software if you want so you can let new
users run more safe settings.  The reality is that many people like us are
trying to run commercial machines with LinuxCNC and are looking for MORE
features not less.  I realize that the software is free and dependent upon
programmer types to work on it at their will and leisure. I wish I knew how
to do it or I would attempt it myself. I am NOT a programmer type as anyone
who knows me can attest LOL.  Unfortunately. Peace

Pete


On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 3:56 PM, Jeff Johnson john...@superiorroll.com
wrote:

 Pete Wrote



 If you read that HAAS control description of how their Run, stop, jog,

 continue works it seems to be pretty logical to me. It simply requires the

 OP to after he has jogged to wherever he need to jog back to a position

 CLOSE to where the pause happened initially and then hit a key and the

 machine then takes over jogging at 5% speed to the original position.  This

 seems like a good idea and easier to get the machine to do.  You will note

 that it does not allow for TLO changes which while important are not super

 critical in my view and apparently theirs too. The changing of an insert

 while typically not perfect should not change the offset that much and I

 guess it is understood that you would not want to do this on a critical

 dimension of a finish pass.  It would sure be nice tho.  Either way just

 having the ability to raise the millhead and turn the spindle and coolant

 on and off to take a quick measurement or inspect progress would be a big

 deal for me.  Peace



 Pete





 Most of our controls have the ability to feed override the jog speed. There
 has been a move to get away from this in lcnc and this is an example why we
 still want the option. Heading back into a cut you can have control over
 that speed.



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 john...@superiorroll.com

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Re: [Emc-users] was larger machines now jog while paused

2014-11-21 Thread andy pugh
On 21 November 2014 20:56, Jeff Johnson john...@superiorroll.com wrote:
 Pete Wrote

 If you read that HAAS control description of how their Run, stop, jog,
 continue works it seems to be pretty logical to me. It simply requires the
 OP to after he has jogged to wherever he need to jog back to a position
 CLOSE to where the pause happened initially and then hit a key and the
 machine then takes over jogging at 5% speed to the original position.

I have been experimenting with the JWP from Machinekit in LinuxCNC.

On the stock LinuxCNC 2.6.4 source in git I downloaded
https://github.com/mhaberler/machinekit/commit/6b0aaf39b81cc6507de41b5a74a6b0414744ea38.patch
And applied it with git am -3  6b0aaf39b81cc6507de41b5a74a6b0414744ea38.patch

Then recompiled.

Then in a lathe config, by setting the new hal-pins
motion.pause-offset-x 1
motion.pause-offset-x 1
motion.pause-jog-feed 1
motion.pause-offet-enable 1

I get the behaviour shown here:

http://youtu.be/mSx2zIUWVzQ

I suspect that this would work for you, though appreciate that what
you want is something in the released software.

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Re: [Emc-users] was larger machines now jog while paused

2014-11-21 Thread Pete Matos
Andy,
That is interesting, those retracts are they preprogrammed somwhow?
Did you jog those movements?  I don't understand what you are showing
there. Peace

Pete


On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 4:10 PM, andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 21 November 2014 20:56, Jeff Johnson john...@superiorroll.com wrote:
  Pete Wrote

  If you read that HAAS control description of how their Run, stop, jog,
  continue works it seems to be pretty logical to me. It simply requires
 the
  OP to after he has jogged to wherever he need to jog back to a position
  CLOSE to where the pause happened initially and then hit a key and the
  machine then takes over jogging at 5% speed to the original position.

 I have been experimenting with the JWP from Machinekit in LinuxCNC.

 On the stock LinuxCNC 2.6.4 source in git I downloaded

 https://github.com/mhaberler/machinekit/commit/6b0aaf39b81cc6507de41b5a74a6b0414744ea38.patch
 And applied it with git am -3 
 6b0aaf39b81cc6507de41b5a74a6b0414744ea38.patch

 Then recompiled.

 Then in a lathe config, by setting the new hal-pins
 motion.pause-offset-x 1
 motion.pause-offset-x 1
 motion.pause-jog-feed 1
 motion.pause-offet-enable 1

 I get the behaviour shown here:

 http://youtu.be/mSx2zIUWVzQ

 I suspect that this would work for you, though appreciate that what
 you want is something in the released software.

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Re: [Emc-users] was larger machines now jog while paused

2014-11-21 Thread Pete Matos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wabcOH9YAA   If we could get this without
the extra buttons just using axis controls it would be very nice. Not sure
what is needed it seems he made a Glade VCP panel or something that allowed
him to show the controls easier maybe?  If all of that works as he shows is
it something that is working outside of linuxCNC controls to accomplish
this or does it actually interface the main system and the panel was just
to make it easier to show what is going on. Either way that looks very
impressive. Peace

Pete


On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 4:10 PM, andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 21 November 2014 20:56, Jeff Johnson john...@superiorroll.com wrote:
  Pete Wrote

  If you read that HAAS control description of how their Run, stop, jog,
  continue works it seems to be pretty logical to me. It simply requires
 the
  OP to after he has jogged to wherever he need to jog back to a position
  CLOSE to where the pause happened initially and then hit a key and the
  machine then takes over jogging at 5% speed to the original position.

 I have been experimenting with the JWP from Machinekit in LinuxCNC.

 On the stock LinuxCNC 2.6.4 source in git I downloaded

 https://github.com/mhaberler/machinekit/commit/6b0aaf39b81cc6507de41b5a74a6b0414744ea38.patch
 And applied it with git am -3 
 6b0aaf39b81cc6507de41b5a74a6b0414744ea38.patch

 Then recompiled.

 Then in a lathe config, by setting the new hal-pins
 motion.pause-offset-x 1
 motion.pause-offset-x 1
 motion.pause-jog-feed 1
 motion.pause-offet-enable 1

 I get the behaviour shown here:

 http://youtu.be/mSx2zIUWVzQ

 I suspect that this would work for you, though appreciate that what
 you want is something in the released software.

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Re: [Emc-users] was larger machines now jog while paused

2014-11-21 Thread andy pugh
On 21 November 2014 21:18, Pete Matos petefro...@gmail.com wrote:
 Andy,
 That is interesting, those retracts are they preprogrammed somwhow?
 Did you jog those movements?  I don't understand what you are showing
 there. Peace

 motion.pause-offset-x 1
 motion.pause-offset-x 1
 motion.pause-jog-feed 1
 motion.pause-offet-enable 1

Defines the retracts and offsets.

Actually it is almost identical to the result of using offset and
limit3 in HAL as I suggested earlier,  with the extra complexity of
recompiling from source.
I think that the patch has significant extra functionality that I
didn't explore.

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Re: [Emc-users] was larger machines now jog while paused

2014-11-21 Thread andy pugh
On 21 November 2014 21:24, andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com wrote:

 motion.pause-offset-x 1
 motion.pause-offset-x 1
 motion.pause-jog-feed 1
 motion.pause-offet-enable 1

 Defines the retracts and offsets.

Minus the obvious typos, of course ;-)


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Re: [Emc-users] was larger machines now jog while paused

2014-11-21 Thread Pete Matos
I really do not understand all the logistics of getting say that HAAS
movement to be utilized in LinuxCNC  and I am sure it is not easy but it
seems that it really the way it should be to me. I think as many times as
this discussion has come up since I have discovered LinuxCNC it would be
 something that is a higher priority. it seems like there are always people
suggesting lesser options rather than tackling the problem itself. I am
sorry I am not capable of doing it or else I would try. Peace

Pete


On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 4:25 PM, andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 21 November 2014 21:24, andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com wrote:

  motion.pause-offset-x 1
  motion.pause-offset-x 1
  motion.pause-jog-feed 1
  motion.pause-offet-enable 1
 
  Defines the retracts and offsets.

 Minus the obvious typos, of course ;-)


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Re: [Emc-users] conv_s32_u32.0--??

2014-11-21 Thread John Thornton
The man page seems to be correct to me it states:
Functions
conv-u32-s32.N

JT

On 11/21/2014 1:54 PM, Peter C. Wallace wrote:
 On Fri, 21 Nov 2014, a k wrote:

 Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2014 11:42:03 -0800
 From: a k pccncmach...@gmail.com
 Reply-To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)
  emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
 To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
 Subject: [Emc-users] conv_s32_u32.0--??

 Hi

 I have question about code to identify G0 and G1.

 Here is code that put in.



 ###

 ###

 loadrt mux_generic config=bb7

 loadrt conv_s32_u32



 addf conv_s32_u32.0 servo-thread
 this should be

 addf conv_s32_u32 servo-thread

 There is an error in the manual page for conv_s32_u32


 addf mux_gen.00 servo-thread



 setp hm2_5i20.0.GPIO.040.is.output true

 setp hm2_5i20.0.GPIO.040.invert_output true



 net mode-signed motion.motion-type = conv_s32_u32.0.in

 net mode-unsigned conv_s32u32.out = mux_gen.00.sel-int

 net mode-out mux_gen.00.out = hm2_5i20.0.GPIO.040.out





 setp mux_gen.00.in-bit-01  0   ## rapid feed

 setp mux_gen.00.in-bit-02  1   ## straight feed

 setp mux_gen.00.in-bit-03  1   ## arc feed

 setp mux_gen.00.in-bit-04  0   ## toolchange

 setp mux_gen.00.in-bit-05  0   ## probing

 setp mux_gen.00.in-bit-06  0   ## index rotary





 ###



 and error ---Function ---conv_s32_u32.0-- not found



 and line to which it referring is here

 addf conv_s32_u32.0 servo-thread



 is something wrong here?

 Is there similar working sample to compare it ?



 Thank

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Re: [Emc-users] conv_s32_u32.0--??

2014-11-21 Thread Peter C. Wallace
On Fri, 21 Nov 2014, John Thornton wrote:

 Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2014 16:05:21 -0600
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 Subject: Re: [Emc-users] conv_s32_u32.0--??
 
 The man page seems to be correct to me it states:
 Functions
 conv-u32-s32.N

Sorry the manual is correct, I dont know what I typed that worked


 JT

 On 11/21/2014 1:54 PM, Peter C. Wallace wrote:
 On Fri, 21 Nov 2014, a k wrote:

 Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2014 11:42:03 -0800
 From: a k pccncmach...@gmail.com
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 Subject: [Emc-users] conv_s32_u32.0--??

 Hi

 I have question about code to identify G0 and G1.

 Here is code that put in.



 ###

 ###

 loadrt mux_generic config=bb7

 loadrt conv_s32_u32



 addf conv_s32_u32.0 servo-thread
 this should be

 addf conv_s32_u32 servo-thread

 There is an error in the manual page for conv_s32_u32


 addf mux_gen.00 servo-thread



 setp hm2_5i20.0.GPIO.040.is.output true

 setp hm2_5i20.0.GPIO.040.invert_output true



 net mode-signed motion.motion-type = conv_s32_u32.0.in

 net mode-unsigned conv_s32u32.out = mux_gen.00.sel-int

 net mode-out mux_gen.00.out = hm2_5i20.0.GPIO.040.out





 setp mux_gen.00.in-bit-01  0   ## rapid feed

 setp mux_gen.00.in-bit-02  1   ## straight feed

 setp mux_gen.00.in-bit-03  1   ## arc feed

 setp mux_gen.00.in-bit-04  0   ## toolchange

 setp mux_gen.00.in-bit-05  0   ## probing

 setp mux_gen.00.in-bit-06  0   ## index rotary





 ###



 and error ---Function ---conv_s32_u32.0-- not found



 and line to which it referring is here

 addf conv_s32_u32.0 servo-thread



 is something wrong here?

 Is there similar working sample to compare it ?



 Thank

 aram
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Re: [Emc-users] Question for larger machine users of LCNC

2014-11-21 Thread Gregg Eshelman
On 11/21/2014 7:58 AM, Ed wrote:

 If it is a consistent amount and predictable wear, one QD solution is
 to program to rough to half the amount, stop spindle, move tool, M1 to
 pause, change insert, S to restart, move tool back and restart cut.

 On a similar note, I have a lathe with a 6T Fanuc control. It will let
 you pause, move tool, do whatever, and restart cut, The caveat is that
 the tool has to be moved back to the EXACT position that you moved it
 from at pause.

Sounds like exactly what LCNC users want. (And everyone with a Torchmate 
plasma table!)

Would it be possible to have a predefined pause and move command set 
that could be inserted into the code on the fly, pop it in immediately 
after the current line being executed?

Hit the pause button, the code gets inserted to interrupt the machine. 
It stops the cut and moves to the location to service the tooling. Hit 
resume and it returns to the position to execute the next line of code, 
while the inserted commands get removed.

It wouldn't work so well for when the current line has the machine 
moving a long distance before the next line will execute, but for code 
that has a lot of short movements it could do the job.


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Re: [Emc-users] was larger machines now jog while paused

2014-11-21 Thread Dave Cole
On 11/21/2014 4:25 PM, andy pugh wrote:
 On 21 November 2014 21:24, andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com wrote:

 motion.pause-offset-x 1
 motion.pause-offset-x 1
 motion.pause-jog-feed 1
 motion.pause-offet-enable 1
 Defines the retracts and offsets.
 Minus the obvious typos, of course ;-)


Is there any reason why that patch could not be reviewed by the LinuxCNC 
devs and then pushed to master for further testing??

It seems like it would be very useful.  :-)

Maybe it could be included in 2.7 ?

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[Emc-users] Sign in issues

2014-11-21 Thread Allen
I hope this finds someone that can help.

I have my user name and password written down, the system doesn’t like 
them anymore!
I have tried to get a new password and asked for my user name as suggested.
I get no emails with either user name or password.

What now?

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Re: [Emc-users] was larger machines now jog while paused

2014-11-21 Thread andy pugh
On 22 November 2014 01:49, Dave Cole linuxcncro...@gmail.com wrote:
 Is there any reason why that patch could not be reviewed by the LinuxCNC
 devs and then pushed to master for further testing??

Looking at the patch, it is a big change.
But, it doesn't do a lot more than the offset-in-HAL approach does, in
fact it ends up looking very much the same.

Where it beats offset-in-HAL is that it works in axes rather than
joints. This is a big improvement for non-cartesian machines, less so
for anything using trivkins.

In some ways I like the patch because I have thought for a long time
that every axis should have an external offset input for special
purposes. (temperature compensations, that sort of thing).

It isn't jog-while-paused. It is a set of offset pins.

It could _look_ like jog-while paused, if something else manipulated
those pins in the right ways. For a trivkins machine, so could the HAL
offset approach.

It is easy to imagine a HAL component that offsets the joint
positions, and during pause watches the jog-wheels to change those
offsets. I might even write it to try out the idea.

The patch is a nice start, but in some was only serves to point out
that the really hard part might be persuading the system as a whole,
and especially the GUIs, to send jog commands to the JWP code in pause
mode.

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Re: [Emc-users] Motor Resolvers

2014-11-21 Thread el cringo
Hi,
i am working with Rene on this project.
For the next hardware version we are planning to support resolvers 
(3-8Vpp ref, 1-12Vpp sin/cos) and encoders/gms (ttl / 1Vpp / 11µA) with 
a single interface.
The current resolver only interface is a bit noisy (resolution: 
12-13bit/rev, accuracy: 9-10bit/rev after sw filtering) and does not 
work well with non-floating signals.
On the driver side we try to get rid of the ttl and analog parts whith a 
small controller for current / voltage measuring, pwm generation, break 
release, temperature control, ...

We hope to have it ready for the 31C3.

Nico

  What are you changing on the hardware?

 On 2014-11-21 13:06, Rene Hopf wrote:
 IRAMX-drv-v2 as a driver board, and res with the stm32f4discovery.
 The video is only at 160V.
 If we met in Stuttgart, it is the same hardware, running at higher voltage, 
 and improved software.
 I am currently developing new hardware.

 Rene

 On 21 Nov 2014, at 09:39, Marius Liebenberg mar...@mastercut.co.za wrote:

 Hi Rene
 Very interesting work you have done there. Which one of the hardware
 options is used in the video demonstration?

 On 2014-11-21 03:56, Rene Hopf wrote:
 On 20 Nov 2014, at 19:14, andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 20 November 2014 17:56, Kirk Wallace kwall...@wallacecompany.com 
 wrote:
 I seem to recall, to get fast PWM, I had to use Timer1 and not use the
 Arduino PWM library. I wonder if the resolver decoder might be improved
 in a similar fashion? I haven't had the time to study Andy's code, but
 it may already be optimized.
 It is all driven by interrupts and direct register writes, it doesn't
 use any Arduino libraries at all, not for PWM generation, not for
 analogue reading and not even for computing the arctan.
 (it uses an integer-only algorithm and a lookup table)

 http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/uploads/Resolver.pde
 My servo amp has a very good resolver interface, featuring 10kHz 
 excitation with driver(8Vpp signal, to reduce noise), lowpass filter, and 
 12 bit resolution.
 included are eagle files, spice simulation, and code.
 It could be used to make a converter to other interfaces, or you can just 
 use the whole project to drive your servos.
 It has even got a hal implementation to configure things at runtime.

 https://github.com/rene-dev/stmbl

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Re: [Emc-users] Screw Mapping

2014-11-21 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 21 November 2014 08:14:57 andy pugh did opine
And Gene did reply:
 On 18 November 2014 12:12, Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote:
  I see the man page for lincurve has been simplified since I last
  tried to use it for spindle speed corrections on my lathe in 2013.
 
 Better?
 
 http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/html/man/man9/lincurve.9.html

Much better Andy, thanks.

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Re: [Emc-users] was larger machines now jog while paused

2014-11-21 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 21 November 2014 16:10:26 andy pugh did opine
And Gene did reply:
 On 21 November 2014 20:56, Jeff Johnson john...@superiorroll.com 
wrote:
  Pete Wrote
  
  If you read that HAAS control description of how their Run, stop,
  jog, continue works it seems to be pretty logical to me. It simply
  requires the OP to after he has jogged to wherever he need to jog
  back to a position CLOSE to where the pause happened initially and
  then hit a key and the machine then takes over jogging at 5% speed
  to the original position.
 
 I have been experimenting with the JWP from Machinekit in LinuxCNC.
 
 On the stock LinuxCNC 2.6.4 source in git I downloaded
 https://github.com/mhaberler/machinekit/commit/6b0aaf39b81cc6507de41b5a
 74a6b0414744ea38.patch And applied it with git am -3 
 6b0aaf39b81cc6507de41b5a74a6b0414744ea38.patch
 
 Then recompiled.
 
 Then in a lathe config, by setting the new hal-pins
 motion.pause-offset-x 1
 motion.pause-offset-x 1

Looks like the above line should have said z, not x ;-)

 motion.pause-jog-feed 1
 motion.pause-offet-enable 1
 
 I get the behaviour shown here:
 
 http://youtu.be/mSx2zIUWVzQ
 
 I suspect that this would work for you, though appreciate that what
 you want is something in the released software.

That looks like it could be handier than sliced bread AND bottled beer.  I 
would vote for that going into LCNC in a heartbeat.

I can also see, for somebody really familiar with our gui's, a quad of 
buttons and an offset of that axis's display, one could then run the 
paused point in and out to achieve a setting that hopefully would clear 
the workpiece while moving in and out of the paused mode, from any place 
on or in the workpiece.  Obviously would need to be adjusted on a per part 
operation basis, and probably should be saved in position.txt too.

And just to save me at my years from loose nut behind the wheel mistakes, 
ramping the spindle slider back to 100% as it arrives back at the work 
position when unpaused would also be a nice touch as then it truly would 
be a 1 click resume.

Yeah, I know, folks in hell want ice water too.  But none of this is 
impossible now that its been done.

This subject comes up about 2x annually.  We wear it out and little or 
nothing is done.  This looks like a heck of a good start!

So, tell us why not?

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[Emc-users] Will a Dell Optiplex 755 work for LCNC?

2014-11-21 Thread Gregg Eshelman
I got it cheap, real cheap. Has 4 gig of PC5300 DDR2 and a Core 2 
Pentium 4. Also has a low profile PCIe x16 video card. It's small enough 
to be mounted inside the cavernous 1990 vintage control cabinet I 
stripped all the original electronics out of.

Most importantly it has a parallel port to which I can connect a Pico 
universal stepper controller.

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