Re: [Emc-users] Lathe spindle bearing problems

2014-11-28 Thread Robert Malterer
Morning: I retired from the screw machine world some 15 yrs. ago.  The 
grease we used in the spindles was a Kluber brand sinthetic grease.  Very 
spendy, very good though.  The spindles that the grease was used in would go 
from 0 to 10,000 RPM and back to 0 approx. twice a minute, 24 hrs. per day, 
5 days a week and had operated over 10 yrs. without any service to the 
spindles up to my retirement.  These machines were Star brand swiss style 
screw machines.  I know that all the other brands also used the same grease 
in their spindles.  I remember having to service the spindle from another 
larger machine after a power glitch and servo failure and my boss 
complaining about the cost of a tube of grease.
It is very common to remove the bearing cup by welding and at my time of 
retirement maintaince had a series of non conductive sleeves they would 
slide in to prevent spatter and a arc from leaving a buger on the ID. 
Before I left MN for AZ I stopped buy the local auto repair shop and they 
proudly showed me the better part of a 5 gallon pail full of bearing races 
that had been removed with the welding technique.
Seeya
Bob Malterer

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From: Marius Liebenberg mar...@mastercut.co.za
To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2014 9:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Lathe spindle bearing problems


A puller like that would be nice to have but I am afraid that there is
 no gap or any protrusion of the bearing race to grip on.
 On 2014-11-27 22:49, Marcus Bowman wrote:
 On 27 Nov 2014, at 20:21, Marius Liebenberg wrote:

 I will do the weld bead tomorrow and hopefully it will come out without
 too much trouble.
 It's a counsel of perfection, I guess, at this stage, but I would use a 
 puller fitted with very thin lips at right angles to the legs. These are 
 designed to remove bearings from blind holes in car engines or gearboxes. 
 The little lips are hardened and when you tighten the puller it squeezes 
 the lips in behind the bearing, by wedging it into the radius in the 
 outer casing of the bearing (the bit you have stuck in there at the 
 moment). A GOOD QUALITY puller works well, and can get enough grip to 
 ease the bearing off the bottom of the hole and get it out. I have done 
 this once or twice and it is a good solution. My friend has a selection 
 of good pullers for all sorts of awkward jobs like this.

 At this stage, unless you know someone with a puller like this, welding 
 is probably your only other option.

 Marcus




 On 2014-11-27 19:30, Ed wrote:
 On 11/27/2014 10:52 AM, Marius Liebenberg wrote:
 So a little bigger tap with a little bigger mallet did the job. The
 front bearing fell apart and is badly worn.
 Now the seat is stuck inside the headstock
 To take out a bearing cup I use an arc welder and run a bead of weld
 around the inside of the cup, let it cool down, extract with fingers or
 tap the housing with your mallet. It can be done by heating with an
 oxy-acet torch but you must be fast in, fast heat and fast out. Arc
 works MUCH better.


 and the bearing piece is
 stuck to the shaft and I have no idea how to get it out.

 The bearing race on the shaft is probably best removed by carefully
 grinding through the race in a couple of spots and cracking it with a
 chisel.

 Ed.



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Re: [Emc-users] . Re: LCNC VS Machinekit JWP (Niemand Sonst)

2014-11-28 Thread Chris Morley


 Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 18:06:04 +
 From: cncbas...@gmail.com
 To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
 Subject: Re: [Emc-users] . Re: LCNC VS Machinekit JWP (Niemand Sonst)
 
 ok am i correct that Machinekit does Jog while paused ( or whatever
 everyone wants to call it ) if thats the case then Linuxcnc for me must go
 out in the trash bin ... and i must go and use machinekit , i dont have an
 alternative for customers .
 
 it's no good arguing if it's needed or not
 workarounds are for Windows People ,
 
 
 
 On 26 November 2014 at 17:48, Niemand Sonst nie...@web.de wrote:
 

for completeness:
https://github.com/mhaberler/asciidoc-sandbox/wiki/Jog-while-paused-support

Seems they have it and consider it stop gap.
The dro's zero at pause and then show distance to go from the pause point.
Moves axes not joints.
Uses HAL pins for jogging not regular GUI or handwheels.

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Re: [Emc-users] . Re: LCNC VS Machinekit JWP (Niemand Sonst)

2014-11-28 Thread David Armstrong
thanks Chris

still seems to be a mess and a hack , rather than a clean implementation ,
so
i'll take it as unclean code , and not working at this stage

i'm unclear as to the reason of as you say the dro's zero , i would expect
them if my logic is correct  to track the correct distances
with perhaps a in memory dro for the distances traveled whilst in pause ,
unless the dro's are manually reset , as were the dro's reset then picking
up the paused position after jog or any movement would not be possible
to say pick up the point at pause , and continue ...


Dave





On 28 November 2014 at 09:35, Chris Morley chrisinnana...@hotmail.com
wrote:



  Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 18:06:04 +
  From: cncbas...@gmail.com
  To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
  Subject: Re: [Emc-users] . Re: LCNC VS Machinekit JWP (Niemand Sonst)
 
  ok am i correct that Machinekit does Jog while paused ( or whatever
  everyone wants to call it ) if thats the case then Linuxcnc for me must
 go
  out in the trash bin ... and i must go and use machinekit , i dont have
 an
  alternative for customers .
 
  it's no good arguing if it's needed or not
  workarounds are for Windows People ,
 
 
 
  On 26 November 2014 at 17:48, Niemand Sonst nie...@web.de wrote:
 

 for completeness:
 https://github.com/mhaberler/asciidoc-sandbox/wiki/Jog-while-paused-support

 Seems they have it and consider it stop gap.
 The dro's zero at pause and then show distance to go from the pause point.
 Moves axes not joints.
 Uses HAL pins for jogging not regular GUI or handwheels.

 Chris M


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Re: [Emc-users] Coolant filtering

2014-11-28 Thread Marshland Engineering
There seems to be a lot of effort to filter the cutting fluid. My machines run
up to 10 hours a day and I only use my settling tank. No Filters. I change the
cutting fluid every 6-8 months or so and wash out the settling tank and start
again. 

I have found some filters cause the cutting fluid to aerate and then foam
which was a real headache. 


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Re: [Emc-users] Coolant filtering

2014-11-28 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2014-11-28 12:28 GMT+02:00 Marshland Engineering marshl...@marshland.co.nz:
 There seems to be a lot of effort to filter the cutting fluid. My machines run
 up to 10 hours a day and I only use my settling tank. No Filters. I change the
 cutting fluid every 6-8 months or so and wash out the settling tank and start
 again.


Small screen to catch big stuff and a bucket as a settling tank seems
to be working fine, thanks for the tips to everyone.

Now it seems that windshield washing fluid pump is not happy about
running more than 20 minutes nonstop - it is overheating.

Can anyone suggest some cheap alternatives? AFAIK some use fish tank
pumps, but something that would be able to handle 7 m long tube will
cost more than 50 eur, so I am willing to do some experiments.

Viesturs

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Re: [Emc-users] . Re: LCNC VS Machinekit JWP (Niemand Sonst)

2014-11-28 Thread andy pugh
On 28 November 2014 at 09:35, Chris Morley chrisinnana...@hotmail.com wrote:
 Uses HAL pins for jogging not regular GUI or handwheels.

A small and simple HAL component that mirrors the halui jogwheel
interface and translates jogwheel counts and axis selections when
paused into offsets would make either the HAL offset component _or_
the Machinekit pins look exactly like a true jog-while-paused on
jogwheel-controlled machines.

Devs and integrators would know it to be a hack, but to the operator
it would look OK.

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Re: [Emc-users] . Re: LCNC VS Machinekit JWP (Niemand Sonst)

2014-11-28 Thread andy pugh
On 28 November 2014 at 10:03, David Armstrong cncbas...@gmail.com wrote:
 i'm unclear as to the reason of as you say the dro's zero ,

It may be because the machinekit jog-while-paused stashes the existing
motion queue and creates a new one, then restores the old one at the
end.
(This is probably the right approach).

I have not looked at the code in any detail, but from discussions I
think part of what makes this harder than might be expected is that
jogging is handled in a different way to normal motions (incremental
jogs are just short feeds, and continuous jogs are straight feeds all
the way to the soft-limits that get aborted, but I suspect that
jogwheel jogs are rather more difficult to fit into a motion-queue
context) and there are other GUI-specific quirks on top.

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Re: [Emc-users] . Re: LCNC VS Machinekit JWP (Niemand Sonst)

2014-11-28 Thread David Armstrong
yea i was thinking possibly that might be true .
i'll make a new repro and see if i can pull this
as i'm having problems patching my very modified local repro  and see
exactly what happens



On 28 November 2014 at 10:58, andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 28 November 2014 at 10:03, David Armstrong cncbas...@gmail.com wrote:
  i'm unclear as to the reason of as you say the dro's zero ,

 It may be because the machinekit jog-while-paused stashes the existing
 motion queue and creates a new one, then restores the old one at the
 end.
 (This is probably the right approach).

 I have not looked at the code in any detail, but from discussions I
 think part of what makes this harder than might be expected is that
 jogging is handled in a different way to normal motions (incremental
 jogs are just short feeds, and continuous jogs are straight feeds all
 the way to the soft-limits that get aborted, but I suspect that
 jogwheel jogs are rather more difficult to fit into a motion-queue
 context) and there are other GUI-specific quirks on top.

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Re: [Emc-users] Lathe spindle bearing problems

2014-11-28 Thread Marius Liebenberg
Hi Robert
Thanks for the grease tip. I would have fitted normal wheel bearing 
grease. I will see if I can find what you suggested over here or at 
least something similar.

On 2014-11-28 10:51, Robert Malterer wrote:
 Morning: I retired from the screw machine world some 15 yrs. ago.  The
 grease we used in the spindles was a Kluber brand sinthetic grease.  Very
 spendy, very good though.  The spindles that the grease was used in would go
 from 0 to 10,000 RPM and back to 0 approx. twice a minute, 24 hrs. per day,
 5 days a week and had operated over 10 yrs. without any service to the
 spindles up to my retirement.  These machines were Star brand swiss style
 screw machines.  I know that all the other brands also used the same grease
 in their spindles.  I remember having to service the spindle from another
 larger machine after a power glitch and servo failure and my boss
 complaining about the cost of a tube of grease.
 It is very common to remove the bearing cup by welding and at my time of
 retirement maintaince had a series of non conductive sleeves they would
 slide in to prevent spatter and a arc from leaving a buger on the ID.
 Before I left MN for AZ I stopped buy the local auto repair shop and they
 proudly showed me the better part of a 5 gallon pail full of bearing races
 that had been removed with the welding technique.
 Seeya
 Bob Malterer

 - Original Message -
 From: Marius Liebenberg mar...@mastercut.co.za
 To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
 Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2014 9:13 PM
 Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Lathe spindle bearing problems


 A puller like that would be nice to have but I am afraid that there is
 no gap or any protrusion of the bearing race to grip on.
 On 2014-11-27 22:49, Marcus Bowman wrote:
 On 27 Nov 2014, at 20:21, Marius Liebenberg wrote:

 I will do the weld bead tomorrow and hopefully it will come out without
 too much trouble.
 It's a counsel of perfection, I guess, at this stage, but I would use a
 puller fitted with very thin lips at right angles to the legs. These are
 designed to remove bearings from blind holes in car engines or gearboxes.
 The little lips are hardened and when you tighten the puller it squeezes
 the lips in behind the bearing, by wedging it into the radius in the
 outer casing of the bearing (the bit you have stuck in there at the
 moment). A GOOD QUALITY puller works well, and can get enough grip to
 ease the bearing off the bottom of the hole and get it out. I have done
 this once or twice and it is a good solution. My friend has a selection
 of good pullers for all sorts of awkward jobs like this.

 At this stage, unless you know someone with a puller like this, welding
 is probably your only other option.

 Marcus




 On 2014-11-27 19:30, Ed wrote:
 On 11/27/2014 10:52 AM, Marius Liebenberg wrote:
 So a little bigger tap with a little bigger mallet did the job. The
 front bearing fell apart and is badly worn.
 Now the seat is stuck inside the headstock
 To take out a bearing cup I use an arc welder and run a bead of weld
 around the inside of the cup, let it cool down, extract with fingers or
 tap the housing with your mallet. It can be done by heating with an
 oxy-acet torch but you must be fast in, fast heat and fast out. Arc
 works MUCH better.


 and the bearing piece is
 stuck to the shaft and I have no idea how to get it out.

 The bearing race on the shaft is probably best removed by carefully
 grinding through the race in a couple of spots and cracking it with a
 chisel.

 Ed.



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Re: [Emc-users] Coolant filtering

2014-11-28 Thread andy pugh
On 28 November 2014 at 10:41, Viesturs Lācis viesturs.la...@gmail.com wrote:
 Can anyone suggest some cheap alternatives? AFAIK some use fish tank
 pumps, but something that would be able to handle 7 m long tube will
 cost more than 50 eur, so I am willing to do some experiments.

At 3x the price of the fish-tank pump you can have an actual coolant system:
http://www.rdgtools.co.uk/cgi-bin/sh01.pl?WD=coolantPN=VERTEX-COOLANT-PUMP-SET---24O-VOLTS---1647%2ehtml#SID=314
http://www.arceurotrade.co.uk/Catalogue/Machines-Accessories/Lathe-Accessories/Coolant-Accessories#16-Litre-Coolant-System-090-080-00090



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Re: [Emc-users] Coolant filtering

2014-11-28 Thread John Thornton

On 11/28/2014 6:48 AM, andy pugh wrote:
 http://www.arceurotrade.co.uk/Catalogue/Machines-Accessories/Lathe-Accessories/Coolant-Accessories#16-Litre-Coolant-System-090-080-00090
  

That's the exact same pump and tank that I have on my band saw... 
different color and label.

JT

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Re: [Emc-users] Coolant filtering

2014-11-28 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2014-11-28 14:55 GMT+02:00 John Thornton bjt...@gmail.com:

 On 11/28/2014 6:48 AM, andy pugh wrote:
 http://www.arceurotrade.co.uk/Catalogue/Machines-Accessories/Lathe-Accessories/Coolant-Accessories#16-Litre-Coolant-System-090-080-00090

 That's the exact same pump and tank that I have on my band saw...
 different color and label.


Andy, thank you for the link! I was thinking about getting a kit like
that, because overall cost of my experiments might exceed pricetag of
such device. The problem was that I couldn't find any.

John, what is your opinion about it? Do I need to add some filters on
return hose?

Viesturs

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Re: [Emc-users] Coolant filtering

2014-11-28 Thread pc
Be careful with filters, especially on return lines. If a filter on the 
pressure side starts to clog you just loose coolant flow which doesn't hurt the 
pump, but if it's in a return line you may find coolant overflowing from your 
machine. 


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Sent: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 15:28:33 +0200
Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Coolant filtering

2014-11-28 14:55 GMT+02:00 John Thornton bjt...@gmail.com:

 On 11/28/2014 6:48 AM, andy pugh wrote:
 http://www.arceurotrade.co.uk/Catalogue/Machines-Accessories/Lathe-Accessories/Coolant-Accessories#16-Litre-Coolant-System-090-080-00090

 That's the exact same pump and tank that I have on my band saw...
 different color and label.


Andy, thank you for the link! I was thinking about getting a kit like
that, because overall cost of my experiments might exceed pricetag of
such device. The problem was that I couldn't find any.

John, what is your opinion about it? Do I need to add some filters on
return hose?

Viesturs

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[Emc-users] Mux_generic

2014-11-28 Thread Eric H. Johnson
Andy et al,

Is mux_generic in the current binaries? I am getting can't find module.

Thanks,
Eric



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Re: [Emc-users] Coolant filtering

2014-11-28 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2014-11-28 15:42 GMT+02:00  p...@wpnet.us:
 Be careful with filters, especially on return lines. If a filter on the 
 pressure side starts to clog you just loose coolant flow which doesn't hurt 
 the pump, but if it's in a return line you may find coolant overflowing from 
 your machine.


Yeah, I already had this lesson earlier this morning :)

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Re: [Emc-users] Mux_generic

2014-11-28 Thread Sebastian Kuzminsky
On 11/28/2014 06:47 AM, Eric H. Johnson wrote:
 Andy et al,
 
 Is mux_generic in the current binaries? I am getting can't find module.

It's in 2.6.0 and later.


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Re: [Emc-users] Lathe spindle bearing problems

2014-11-28 Thread Kirk Wallace
On 11/28/2014 03:38 AM, Marius Liebenberg wrote:
 Hi Robert
 Thanks for the grease tip. I would have fitted normal wheel bearing
 grease. I will see if I can find what you suggested over here or at
 least something similar.

In my opinion, grease should not be a first choice. Oil can lubricate 
just as well or better, and carries away heat and dirt. Grease holds 
heat and dirt requiring the bearing to be beefed up to compensate for 
the increased heat and wear. Timken, Torrington, Fafnir, whatever, used 
to have a very good design guide online, with a section for machine tool 
applications.


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Re: [Emc-users] Lathe spindle bearing problems

2014-11-28 Thread andy pugh
On 28 November 2014 at 15:50, Kirk Wallace kwall...@wallacecompany.com wrote:
 In my opinion, grease should not be a first choice. Oil can lubricate
 just as well or better, and carries away heat and dirt

Oil will fall out. These bearings are mounted in the faces of an
open-fronted box, and there are no seals as such either.

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Re: [Emc-users] Lathe spindle bearing problems

2014-11-28 Thread Kirk Wallace
On 11/28/2014 07:59 AM, andy pugh wrote:
 On 28 November 2014 at 15:50, Kirk Wallace kwall...@wallacecompany.com 
 wrote:
 In my opinion, grease should not be a first choice. Oil can lubricate
 just as well or better, and carries away heat and dirt

 Oil will fall out. These bearings are mounted in the faces of an
 open-fronted box, and there are no seals as such either.


Sounds like a faulty design to me.

I found the links I was thinking about earlier:
http://timken.com/en-us/products/Documents/Super-Precision-Bearings-for-Machine-Tool-Applications-Catalog.pdf

http://timken.com/en-us/products/Documents/Timken-Engineering-Manual.pdf

http://timken.com/en-us/products/Pages/Catalogs.aspx

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Re: [Emc-users] Lathe spindle bearing problems

2014-11-28 Thread Andy Pugh



 On 28 Nov 2014, at 16:09, Kirk Wallace kwall...@wallacecompany.com wrote:
 
 Sounds like a faulty design to me.

Without a doubt, which is why the bearings failed. 

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[Emc-users] Notes on PWM and FETs

2014-11-28 Thread Kirk Wallace
Here is the start of my notes on playing with PWM and FETS.

http://www.wallacecompany.com/machine_shop/LinuxCNC/pwm_fet/pwm_fet.html

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Re: [Emc-users] Coolant filtering

2014-11-28 Thread Jon Elson
On 11/28/2014 04:41 AM, Viesturs Lācis wrote:
 Now it seems that windshield washing fluid pump is not 
 happy about running more than 20 minutes nonstop - it is 
 overheating. Can anyone suggest some cheap alternatives? 
 AFAIK some use fish tank pumps, but something that would 
 be able to handle 7 m long tube will cost more than 50 
 eur, so I am willing to do some experiments.
I use a Little Giant condensate return pump. It is designed 
to collect condensed moisture from
air conditioners and condensing furnaces and pump it up to a 
drain. I bought the pump
decades ago on eBay. I just have the bare pump unit, in my 
own sump, not the complete
boxed-up system with float switch and etc. See
http://www.ebay.com/itm/LITTLE-GIANT-CP1-115-Pump-Coolant-Plastic-/381014562435?pt=BI_Pumpshash=item58b63cd683
for something that looks a bit like the one I use.

The motor just sits above the fluid and is driven by a 
vertical shaft. This has no seals and is not
hermetically sealed, so really easy to clean the pump section.

Jon

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Re: [Emc-users] Coolant filtering

2014-11-28 Thread TJoseph Powderly
On 11/28/2014 11:31 AM, Jon Elson wrote:
 On 11/28/2014 04:41 AM, Viesturs Lācis wrote:
 Now it seems that windshield washing fluid pump is not
 happy about running more than 20 minutes nonstop - it is
 overheating. Can anyone suggest some cheap alternatives?
 AFAIK some use fish tank pumps, but something that would
 be able to handle 7 m long tube will cost more than 50
 eur, so I am willing to do some experiments.
 I use a Little Giant condensate return pump. It is designed
 to collect condensed moisture from
 air conditioners and condensing furnaces and pump it up to a
 drain. I bought the pump
 decades ago on eBay. I just have the bare pump unit, in my
 own sump, not the complete
 boxed-up system with float switch and etc. See
 http://www.ebay.com/itm/LITTLE-GIANT-CP1-115-Pump-Coolant-Plastic-/381014562435?pt=BI_Pumpshash=item58b63cd683
 for something that looks a bit like the one I use.

 The motor just sits above the fluid and is driven by a
 vertical shaft. This has no seals and is not
 hermetically sealed, so really easy to clean the pump section.

 Jon

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Little giants can be rebuilt cuz you can get all the parts
and they have diff models impervious to diff fluids
good resource to know abolut
I use 'em as aux flush devices in EDM
so parafinics are fine too
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Re: [Emc-users] Notes on PWM and FETs

2014-11-28 Thread John Kasunich
May I make a suggestion?

Use an optocoupler that is designed to drive MOSFET/IGBT gates.

The Avago HCPL3150 is an industry standard, I've used them many times:
http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/HCPL-3150-500E/516-1584-1-ND/768375
or the very similar but cheaper VO3150 from Vishay:
http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/VO3150A/VO3150A-ND/2096253

The opto-coupler/resistor arrangement you have works only for the smallest
power devices, and only at relatively low voltages, currents, and switching
speeds.

FETs have significant gate to source capacitance, and if the driver doesn't
charge or discharge that capacitance quickly, the result is very slow switching
and a lot of switching loss due to the fact that the device spends a lot of time
in an intermediate state between fully on and fully off.

The devices also have a lot of gate to drain capacitance, which couples the
large drain voltage back to the gate (Miller effect).  That slows switching down
even more, and under the wrong circumstances can lead to oscillation.

The second set of scope waveforms is rather scary.  The turn-off transition
is not clean - the device switches on and off many times.  At 40V and a few
amps you can get away with it for a while.  At higher power that could be
instant death for the FET.

Gate-driver optos have two major advantages.

1) They can source and sink much higher currents than the resistor arrangement.
The 3150 drives up to a half amp into and out of the gate.  (The slightly more
expensive 3120 drives two amps.)  This means much faster turn on and turn
off.  You control the actual speed by adding a single resistor between the 
driver
and the gate.  Unlike the pull-down resistor in the original circuit, there are 
no 
trade-offs dictating the resistor value.  If you want slow switching, you can
choose to use hundreds of ohms.  If you want fast switching, you can go as
low as twenty ohms or so (less than 10 ohms with the 3120).  The ideal resistor
depends on the size of the power device - bigger FETs need lower resistors.
For the large (1700V, 450A) IGBTs I use at work the gate resistor is only a 
couple ohms - we have a booster stage that allows up to 10 amps of gate 
current.  But a simple 3150 with a single resistor is typically all you need for
1200V IGBTs up to 50A or more.

2) They have undervoltage lockout.  FETs and IGBTs don't like to be turned on
half-way.  What happens if your 15V power supply comes up slower or goes down
faster than your 40V motor power supply?  On a large drive where the motor 
supply
is rectified line voltage, attempting to turn on the device when the control 
supply
is too low results in an instant explosion.  Gate-drive optos won't turn on 
until the
supply on the isolated side is above a threshold.  (See data sheet for exact 
value.)

I've been designing motor drives for 20+ years.  I can design a driver using 
discrete
parts and conventional opto-couplers.  But I haven't done that in years.  The 
gate-
drive optos do it at least as well as I can, in a fraction of the time and at a 
fraction
of the cost.  They let you ignore the nitty-gritty details of gate drive and 
move on
to more interesting things.



On Fri, Nov 28, 2014, at 12:29 PM, Kirk Wallace wrote:
 Here is the start of my notes on playing with PWM and FETS.
 
 http://www.wallacecompany.com/machine_shop/LinuxCNC/pwm_fet/pwm_fet.html
 
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Re: [Emc-users] Notes on PWM and FETs

2014-11-28 Thread Kirk Wallace
On 11/28/2014 10:17 AM, John Kasunich wrote:
 May I make a suggestion?

I post my work in order to get feedback. Thank you very much for your help.

My next step, which I have yet to post, added a TC4422 after the 
opto-isolator. That is what is in the next scope picture. The FET ran 
with barely a hint of heating while under a load (one hand on the FET 
the other trying to stall the motor, not recommended, do _not_ do as I 
do, folks). The HCPL3150 looks like it combines the bits I have. I'll 
have to get some on order.

The circuit only drives the motor in one direction and has no speed 
regulation, so isn't all that useful, but fun so far. I would like to 
work more on sensorless speed regulation, but my KBIC board already does 
this very well, and now that I'm not blowing out FETs anymore, I'd like 
to move on to BLDC motors.

One nice thing about this setup is that someone with a decent electronic 
parts bin can touch some important bits of LinuxCNC in short order.


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Re: [Emc-users] Notes on PWM and FETs

2014-11-28 Thread Sven Wesley
2014-11-28 19:56 GMT+01:00 Kirk Wallace kwall...@wallacecompany.com:

 On 11/28/2014 10:17 AM, John Kasunich wrote:
  May I make a suggestion?

 I post my work in order to get feedback. Thank you very much for your help.

 My next step, which I have yet to post, added a TC4422 after the
 opto-isolator. That is what is in the next scope picture. The FET ran
 with barely a hint of heating while under a load (one hand on the FET
 the other trying to stall the motor, not recommended, do _not_ do as I
 do, folks). The HCPL3150 looks like it combines the bits I have. I'll
 have to get some on order.



Would it work better with an IRZL44N? It's popular in the Arduino community
for its logic level input.
http://www.edaboard.com/thread245565.html
http://forum.arduino.cc/index.php?topic=11565.0

I use it in a home made engine ECU to PWM a fuel gate and it works very
well.

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Re: [Emc-users] Lathe spindle bearing problems

2014-11-28 Thread Marius Liebenberg

On 2014-11-28 18:27, Andy Pugh wrote:


 On 28 Nov 2014, at 16:09, Kirk Wallace kwall...@wallacecompany.com wrote:

 Sounds like a faulty design to me.
 Without a doubt, which is why the bearings failed.
And the fact that there was absolutely no form of lubrication on them to 
start with and the hardening of the bearings are very suspect. I had 
hardly cut anything with the lathe and the front bearing rollers were 
worn concave.

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Re: [Emc-users] conv_s32_u32.0--??

2014-11-28 Thread a k
hi
i did fix most of problem but one new how up
here is my code
#

#



loadrt mux_generic config=bb7

loadrt conv_s32_u32



addf conv-s32-u32.0 servo-thread

addf mux-gen.00 servo-thread



setp hm2_5i20.0.gpio.040.is.output true

setp hm2_5i20.0.gpio.040.invert_output true



net mode-signed motion.motion-type = conv-s32-u32.0.in

net mode-unsigned conv-s32-u32.out = mux-gen.00.sel-int

net mode-out mux-gen.00.out = hm2_5i20.0.gpio.040.out





setp mux-gen.00.in-bit-01 0   ## rapid feed

setp mux-gen.00.in-bit-02 1   ## straight feed

setp mux-gen.00.in-bit-03 1   ## arc feed

setp mux-gen.00.in-bit-04 0   ## toolchange

setp mux-gen.00.in-bit-05 0   ## probing

setp mux-gen.00.in-bit-06 0   ## index rotary


 ###


 and error is



Debug file information:

.

hm2-servo.hal:243: parameter or pin 'hm2_5i20.0.gpio.040.is.output' not
found

5118

  PID TTY  STAT   TIME COMMAND



Thank you
aram

On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 12:53 PM, Peter C. Wallace p...@mesanet.com wrote:


 This works (I was wrong about the manual. it is correct)

 loadrt  conv_s32_u32
 addf  conv-s32-u32.0 servo-thread

 available pins:

 conv-s32-u32.0.in
 conv-s32-u32.0.out
 conv-s32-u32.0.out-of-range

 available parameters:

 conv-s32-u32.0.clamp
 conv-s32-u32.0.time
 conv-s32-u32.0.tmax
 conv-s32-u32.0.tmax-increased

 Note that all names except the component name in the loadrt line use
 hyphens
 only the nam ein the loadrt line uses underlines

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Re: [Emc-users] conv_s32_u32.0--??

2014-11-28 Thread Peter C. Wallace
On Fri, 28 Nov 2014, a k wrote:

 Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 16:42:34 -0800
 From: a k pccncmach...@gmail.com
 Reply-To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)
 emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
 To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
 Subject: Re: [Emc-users] conv_s32_u32.0--??
 
 hi
 i did fix most of problem but one new how up
 here is my code
 #

 #

 

 loadrt mux_generic config=bb7

 loadrt conv_s32_u32



 addf conv-s32-u32.0 servo-thread

 addf mux-gen.00 servo-thread



 setp hm2_5i20.0.gpio.040.is.output true

 setp hm2_5i20.0.gpio.040.invert_output true



 net mode-signed motion.motion-type = conv-s32-u32.0.in

 net mode-unsigned conv-s32-u32.out = mux-gen.00.sel-int

 net mode-out mux-gen.00.out = hm2_5i20.0.gpio.040.out





 setp mux-gen.00.in-bit-01 0   ## rapid feed

 setp mux-gen.00.in-bit-02 1   ## straight feed

 setp mux-gen.00.in-bit-03 1   ## arc feed

 setp mux-gen.00.in-bit-04 0   ## toolchange

 setp mux-gen.00.in-bit-05 0   ## probing

 setp mux-gen.00.in-bit-06 0   ## index rotary


 ###


 and error is



 Debug file information:

 .

 hm2-servo.hal:243: parameter or pin 'hm2_5i20.0.gpio.040.is.output' not
 found

the parameter name is hm2_5i20.0.gpio.040.is_output


typing

man hostmot2

in a terminal window will display the manual page for the hostmot2 driver

if you scroll down to the General Purpose I/O section the is-output 
parameter is explained

another option is to look at the hm2 sample files for proper pin and parameter 
names


 5118

  PID TTY  STAT   TIME COMMAND



 Thank you
 aram

 On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 12:53 PM, Peter C. Wallace p...@mesanet.com wrote:


 This works (I was wrong about the manual. it is correct)

 loadrt  conv_s32_u32
 addf  conv-s32-u32.0 servo-thread

 available pins:

 conv-s32-u32.0.in
 conv-s32-u32.0.out
 conv-s32-u32.0.out-of-range

 available parameters:

 conv-s32-u32.0.clamp
 conv-s32-u32.0.time
 conv-s32-u32.0.tmax
 conv-s32-u32.0.tmax-increased

 Note that all names except the component name in the loadrt line use
 hyphens
 only the nam ein the loadrt line uses underlines

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Re: [Emc-users] Lathe spindle bearing problems

2014-11-28 Thread Stuart Stevenson
The bearings should have about a 20% fill. Don't fill the bearings full.
On Nov 28, 2014 3:34 PM, Marius Liebenberg mar...@mastercut.co.za wrote:


 On 2014-11-28 18:27, Andy Pugh wrote:
 
 
  On 28 Nov 2014, at 16:09, Kirk Wallace kwall...@wallacecompany.com
 wrote:
 
  Sounds like a faulty design to me.
  Without a doubt, which is why the bearings failed.
 And the fact that there was absolutely no form of lubrication on them to
 start with and the hardening of the bearings are very suspect. I had
 hardly cut anything with the lathe and the front bearing rollers were
 worn concave.

 
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Re: [Emc-users] Notes on PWM and FETs

2014-11-28 Thread Kirk Wallace
On 11/28/2014 09:29 AM, Kirk Wallace wrote:
 Here is the start of my notes on playing with PWM and FETS.

 http://www.wallacecompany.com/machine_shop/LinuxCNC/pwm_fet/pwm_fet.html


I posted my second circuit at the link above.

JK, I used your comment about using the gate resistor to adjust the gate 
speed. A small spike can be seen on the rising edge of the gate voltage, 
so I replaced the 22 Ohm resistor with a 68 Ohm and the rising edge now 
has a nice square corner. On the current sense trace, there seems to be 
a spike and ringing decay at the on and off events. The gain on that 
channel is turned up pretty high so I don't think the spike is large, 
but I could be wrong. The ramp will rise up just out of view at about 5 
Amps average on the motor supply meter. I have to use a rag on the 
pulley when I try to load the motor and I can only slow it down a bit.

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Re: [Emc-users] Notes on PWM and FETs

2014-11-28 Thread Kirk Wallace
On 11/28/2014 12:15 PM, Sven Wesley wrote:
... snip
 Would it work better with an IRZL44N? It's popular in the Arduino community
 for its logic level input.
 http://www.edaboard.com/thread245565.html
 http://forum.arduino.cc/index.php?topic=11565.0

 I use it in a home made engine ECU to PWM a fuel gate and it works very
 well.

The IRLZ34 is what I had in by parts box. In looking at the specs, both 
parts look similar. I did try using a 5 Volt signal from the parallel 
port pin to a series resistor to the gate, and it worked fine. It just 
ran warmer than the other methods I tried. I'm hoping to try running the 
motor at full voltage, 90 Volts, but I'll need to order new FETS and 
diodes for that.


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Re: [Emc-users] Lathe spindle bearing problems

2014-11-28 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 28 November 2014 16:31:58 Marius Liebenberg did opine
And Gene did reply:
 On 2014-11-28 18:27, Andy Pugh wrote:
  On 28 Nov 2014, at 16:09, Kirk Wallace kwall...@wallacecompany.com
  wrote:
  
  Sounds like a faulty design to me.
  
  Without a doubt, which is why the bearings failed.
 
 And the fact that there was absolutely no form of lubrication on them
 to start with and the hardening of the bearings are very suspect. I
 had hardly cut anything with the lathe and the front bearing rollers
 were worn concave.

I am assuming this is the same lathe Grizzly sells as its variable speed 
10x22?

No wonder its such an inviting price.  It even threw up a couple red flags 
so the card didn't get scanned and the shipping box never made it into my 
pickup the last time I visited the store at the Lycoming Mall in PA on my 
way by.  When we go up to Dee's nieces dairy farm to kill a few days, we 
only miss it about 30 miles as we go thru Westernport, home of the little 
league world series each year.


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Re: [Emc-users] conv_s32_u32.0--??

2014-11-28 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 28 November 2014 19:42:34 a k did opine
And Gene did reply:
 hi
 i did fix most of problem but one new how up
 here is my code
 #
 
 #
 
 
 
 loadrt mux_generic config=bb7
 
 loadrt conv_s32_u32
 
 
 
 addf conv-s32-u32.0 servo-thread
 
 addf mux-gen.00 servo-thread
 
 
 
 setp hm2_5i20.0.gpio.040.is.output true
 
 setp hm2_5i20.0.gpio.040.invert_output true
 
 
 
 net mode-signed motion.motion-type = conv-s32-u32.0.in
 
 net mode-unsigned conv-s32-u32.out = mux-gen.00.sel-int
 
 net mode-out mux-gen.00.out = hm2_5i20.0.gpio.040.out
 
 
 
 
 
 setp mux-gen.00.in-bit-01 0   ## rapid feed
 
 setp mux-gen.00.in-bit-02 1   ## straight feed
 
 setp mux-gen.00.in-bit-03 1   ## arc feed
 
 setp mux-gen.00.in-bit-04 0   ## toolchange
 
 setp mux-gen.00.in-bit-05 0   ## probing
 
 setp mux-gen.00.in-bit-06 0   ## index rotary
 
 
  ###
 
 
  and error is
 
 
 
 Debug file information:
 
 .
 
 hm2-servo.hal:243: parameter or pin 'hm2_5i20.0.gpio.040.is.output' not
 found

That is because it is not is.output, its is_output.  Bit me too. :(

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