Re: [Emc-users] CNC machining setup cards

[John Dammeyer]

> From: Karl Schmidt [mailto:k...@lrak.net]
> I got burned with electronic-CAD software - the software quit unless you
> signed up for their new expensive support
> package..
> 
> 
> I've been using FreeCAD - slowly getting better - steep learning curve,
but
> they can't pull the plug -- AND it runs on
> linux. The new adaptive clearing bit is nice. Working around bugs is part
of
> the deal.
> 
> 
> I think the only two packages that you can 'own' that run on linux are
synergy
> and perhaps Alibre CAM - haven't tried them.
> 
> 
There's no such thing as ALibreCAM anymore.  MecSoft pulled support and
stopped working with Alibre.  

I suspect because every new version of Alibre changes the AlibreCAD file
format so it can't be read by older versions.  Which means if you buy the
newest Alibre Atom for example and save a file it will be in Rev 26.  If I
want to load it with my Rev 25 I can't.

Compare that to the evil Microsoft and the ability to SaveAs a Word Document
in WORD 97 format from WORD 2010.

Now AlibreCAD Rev 26 can read Rev 25 files and save as Rev 26 but according
to Alibre if they didn't change the file format then no one would upgrade.

And no it doesn't run on Linux.I have FreeCAD on my WIN-10 system but I
find the user interface just as confusing as Fusion360.  Maybe we should
call it conFusion360.

And I still am able to use AlibreCAM (although not supposed to be able) on
my system with AlibreCAD.And yes, it still calls home for verification
that it's me.  
John




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Re: [Emc-users] CNC machining setup cards

[Karl Schmidt]

On 7/11/23 06:43PM, John Dammeyer wrote:



And the cost of the bait is very low compared to the number of fish they are catching 
with it.  Once you have several years of drawings (all essentially free) throwing an 
upgrade that now costs on ly a tiny bit, hardly anything,  but "Will enhance your 
user experience!"  is in the works.


There is still a big problem - the most expensive part of the software is your time learning to use it.  What if you get 
married to it, and they stop the free use deal? I'm still married to


I got burned with electronic-CAD software - the software quit unless you signed up for their new expensive support 
package..



I've been using FreeCAD - slowly getting better - steep learning curve, but they can't pull the plug -- AND it runs on 
linux. The new adaptive clearing bit is nice. Working around bugs is part of the deal.



I think the only two packages that you can 'own' that run on linux are synergy 
and perhaps Alibre CAM - haven't tried them.


--

Karl Schmidt  EMail k...@lrak.net
3209 West 9th Street  Ph (785) 841-3089
Lawrence, KS 66049

Today, the USA's only exports are propaganda and inflation.



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Re: [Emc-users] CNC machining setup cards

[Thaddeus Waldner]

I’m getting a lot of hanging with large sketches. I’ve had to force quit it 3-4 
times in two days of using it.

But yeah, performance on apple silicon is impressive. When it works.

Thaddeus Waldner
Newdale School
Elkton, SD 57026

From: Ron Buck 
Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2023 8:43:23 AM
To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) 
Subject: Re: [Emc-users] CNC machining setup cards

… chiming in on the native Apple Si version. The speed improvement is night and 
day difference. I’m on a M1 Max notebook and currently working with a large 
assembly imported from SW. Even small changes were getting slow enough to get 
up and stretch while it was thinking. No hint of even a pause so far with the 
insider release on anything.

Ron


> On Jul 12, 2023, at 4:08 AM, gene heskett  wrote:
>
> On 7/12/23 02:23, Chris Albertson wrote:
 On Jul 11, 2023, at 5:42 PM, gene heskett  wrote:
>>>
>>> ... I'll bet real money that OpenSCAD is easier to learn.
>> Openscad is certainly easy for some simple things but impossible for others. 
>>  Try making a cordless power tool in OpenScad.
>> But in Fusion a power tool is used as an intermediate-level tutorial 
>> project.  The screenshot below is something a person could learn to make 
>> after some weeks of study.  I doubt anyone would even attempt it in 
>> OpenScad.   Then assuming you do make the OpenScad model, could you make 
>> changes in real-time as the client pointed out changed he would like
> You have an excellent point there Chris, were I to attempt that today, I 
> would probably be several weeks writing it for linuxcnc as that looks much 
> easier to do in a subtractive format. Either way, I at my age, would find it 
> difficult to make customer requested mods. 60 years younger with my better 
> memory then it would have been much easier.
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Re: [Emc-users] CNC machining setup cards

[Ron Buck]

… chiming in on the native Apple Si version. The speed improvement is night and 
day difference. I’m on a M1 Max notebook and currently working with a large 
assembly imported from SW. Even small changes were getting slow enough to get 
up and stretch while it was thinking. No hint of even a pause so far with the 
insider release on anything.

Ron


> On Jul 12, 2023, at 4:08 AM, gene heskett  wrote:
> 
> On 7/12/23 02:23, Chris Albertson wrote:
 On Jul 11, 2023, at 5:42 PM, gene heskett  wrote:
>>> 
>>> ... I'll bet real money that OpenSCAD is easier to learn.
>> Openscad is certainly easy for some simple things but impossible for others. 
>>  Try making a cordless power tool in OpenScad.
>> But in Fusion a power tool is used as an intermediate-level tutorial 
>> project.  The screenshot below is something a person could learn to make 
>> after some weeks of study.  I doubt anyone would even attempt it in 
>> OpenScad.   Then assuming you do make the OpenScad model, could you make 
>> changes in real-time as the client pointed out changed he would like
> You have an excellent point there Chris, were I to attempt that today, I 
> would probably be several weeks writing it for linuxcnc as that looks much 
> easier to do in a subtractive format. Either way, I at my age, would find it 
> difficult to make customer requested mods. 60 years younger with my better 
> memory then it would have been much easier.
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> - Louis D. Brandeis
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Re: [Emc-users] CNC machining setup cards

[gene heskett]

On 7/12/23 02:23, Chris Albertson wrote:




On Jul 11, 2023, at 5:42 PM, gene heskett  wrote:

... I'll bet real money that OpenSCAD is easier to learn.


Openscad is certainly easy for some simple things but impossible for others.  
Try making a cordless power tool in OpenScad.

But in Fusion a power tool is used as an intermediate-level tutorial project.  
The screenshot below is something a person could learn to make after some weeks 
of study.  I doubt anyone would even attempt it in OpenScad.   Then assuming 
you do make the OpenScad model, could you make changes in real-time as the 
client pointed out changed he would like

You have an excellent point there Chris, were I to attempt that today, I 
would probably be several weeks writing it for linuxcnc as that looks 
much easier to do in a subtractive format. Either way, I at my age, 
would find it difficult to make customer requested mods. 60 years 
younger with my better memory then it would have been much easier.



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Cheers, Gene Heskett.
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 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis
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Re: [Emc-users] CNC machining setup cards

[Chris Albertson]

> On Jul 11, 2023, at 5:42 PM, gene heskett  wrote:
> 
> ... I'll bet real money that OpenSCAD is easier to learn. 

Openscad is certainly easy for some simple things but impossible for others.  
Try making a cordless power tool in OpenScad.

But in Fusion a power tool is used as an intermediate-level tutorial project.  
The screenshot below is something a person could learn to make after some weeks 
of study.  I doubt anyone would even attempt it in OpenScad.   Then assuming 
you do make the OpenScad model, could you make changes in real-time as the 
client pointed out changed he would like

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