Re: [Emc-users] Announcing the LinuxCNC 2.6 branch
Am 04.04.2014 14:46, schrieb Gene Heskett: yeah, and I've been looking for the any key for 30 years. Haven't found a new keyboard with one of them yet. Cheers, Gene Gene, The Any Key is on the PC case outside, right beside the small red lamp, sometimes labelled R. Pressing will always bring you forward. Peter -- Put Bad Developers to Shame Dominate Development with Jenkins Continuous Integration Continuously Automate Build, Test Deployment Start a new project now. Try Jenkins in the cloud. http://p.sf.net/sfu/13600_Cloudbees_APR ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Announcing the LinuxCNC 2.6 branch
On Monday 07 April 2014 05:36:49 Peter Blodow did opine: Am 04.04.2014 14:46, schrieb Gene Heskett: yeah, and I've been looking for the any key for 30 years. Haven't found a new keyboard with one of them yet. Cheers, Gene Gene, The Any Key is on the PC case outside, right beside the small red lamp, sometimes labelled R. Pressing will always bring you forward. Peter ;-) Cheers, Gene -- There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Genes Web page http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene -- Put Bad Developers to Shame Dominate Development with Jenkins Continuous Integration Continuously Automate Build, Test Deployment Start a new project now. Try Jenkins in the cloud. http://p.sf.net/sfu/13600_Cloudbees_APR ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Announcing the LinuxCNC 2.6 branch
On 4 April 2014 05:56, Marius Liebenberg mar...@mastercut.co.za wrote: I would have put the likes of yourself into the guru class not what I do :) Well, I have a shared git repository on my Mac exported through NFS / avahi and auto-mounted by the several different Linux boxes. I WoL the box I want to update, check out the required branch and compile natively. But I don't think that is the approach that the typical user wants to use. :-) -- atp If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http://www.ifixit.com/Manifest -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Announcing the LinuxCNC 2.6 branch
Quoth Sebastian Kuzminsky. Who made decision about not including ubc and when? As release manager, I did. It was a few days before i made the 2.6 branch announcement. Where are the emails that invite developers to irc meeting to vote this? There were none - as release manager i made the decision. As a counterbalance to the brickbats flying around, I'd just like to say thanks for putting your head over the top and making a decision. Even if it doesn't have everything people want in it (when would it?), the mere fact that there is a new release is a positive thing for many people's perception of LinuxCNC. -- Regards, Russell | Russell Brown | MAIL: russ...@lls.com PHONE: 01780 471800 | | Lady Lodge Systems | WWW Work: http://www.lls.com | | Peterborough, England | WWW Play: http://www.ruffle.me.uk | -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Announcing the LinuxCNC 2.6 branch
On 4 Apr 2014, at 10:17, andy pugh wrote: On 4 April 2014 05:56, Marius Liebenberg mar...@mastercut.co.za wrote: I would have put the likes of yourself into the guru class not what I do :) Well, I have a shared git repository on my Mac exported through NFS / avahi and auto-mounted by the several different Linux boxes. I WoL the box I want to update, check out the required branch and compile natively. But I don't think that is the approach that the typical user wants to use. :-) You're right. Following the Mac philosophy, the user needs to be able to go to a single, easily found, place, and double click on an icon or filename, and the file should download then install itself. In fact, if there was a double-click installation of Ubuntu 12 and LinuxCNC that would be even better (but a few extra clicks or a bit of keyboarding for entry of personal or configuration details during installation would be acceptable). Anything more than that, and I'm guessing the average non-guru user will pass it by and find some other package that says it installs easily. Marcus -- atp If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http://www.ifixit.com/Manifest -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Announcing the LinuxCNC 2.6 branch
On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 11:07 PM, Dave Cole linuxcncro...@gmail.com wrote: Andy, I think you are being nice regarding Unity. Someone smoked too much of something and then continued to code anyway when they did Unity. Synaptic Manager does not come along with 12.04, I had to install it. (A glaring ommision ) Dave, The Synaptic package manager doesn't come bundled with Ubuntu v13.10 either. I'm running it here on my desktop machine at work. Most definitely a glaring omission. Mark -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Announcing the LinuxCNC 2.6 branch
I had mentioned in a previous email - the new 'package manager' in 12.04 and newer is 'ubuntu software center' It seems to have the similar functionality as synaptic. (search for stuff, add repositories..) http://imagebin.org/303764 (atleast it has done everything I have asked) sam On 04/04/2014 04:53 AM, Mark Wendt wrote: On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 11:07 PM, Dave Cole linuxcncro...@gmail.com wrote: Andy, I think you are being nice regarding Unity. Someone smoked too much of something and then continued to code anyway when they did Unity. Synaptic Manager does not come along with 12.04, I had to install it. (A glaring ommision ) Dave, The Synaptic package manager doesn't come bundled with Ubuntu v13.10 either. I'm running it here on my desktop machine at work. Most definitely a glaring omission. Mark -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Announcing the LinuxCNC 2.6 branch
On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 7:56 AM, sam sokolik sa...@empirescreen.com wrote: I had mentioned in a previous email - the new 'package manager' in 12.04 and newer is 'ubuntu software center' It seems to have the similar functionality as synaptic. (search for stuff, add repositories..) http://imagebin.org/303764 (atleast it has done everything I have asked) sam Sam, Did you do an upgrade to 14.04, or a straight install? Mark -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Announcing the LinuxCNC 2.6 branch
I splurged and bought my first SSD and did a fresh install of 14.04. sam On 4/4/2014 7:07 AM, Mark Wendt wrote: On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 7:56 AM, sam sokolik sa...@empirescreen.com wrote: I had mentioned in a previous email - the new 'package manager' in 12.04 and newer is 'ubuntu software center' It seems to have the similar functionality as synaptic. (search for stuff, add repositories..) http://imagebin.org/303764 (atleast it has done everything I have asked) sam Sam, Did you do an upgrade to 14.04, or a straight install? Mark -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Announcing the LinuxCNC 2.6 branch
- Even if it doesn't have everything people want in it (when would - it?) NEVER - the more it can do the more dreams of what it could do - Anything more than that, and I'm guessing the average - non-guru user will pass it by and find some other package - that says it installs easily. then gripe and whine the 'easy' button won't do what you need? :) I have an 'ifm' button on the bottom of my keyboard. It's F'in' Magic - uh - it hasn't worked yet. just sayin -- Addressee is the intended audience. If you are not the addressee then my consent is not given for you to read this email furthermore it is my wish you would close this without saving or reading, and cease and desist from saving or opening my private correspondence. Thank you for honoring my wish. -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Announcing the LinuxCNC 2.6 branch
On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 8:14 AM, sam sokolik sa...@empirescreen.com wrote: I splurged and bought my first SSD and did a fresh install of 14.04. sam Ah, okay. I've done upgrades in the past and had issues during the upgrade. just curious to see if you'd done it and had any. Thanks, Mark -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Announcing the LinuxCNC 2.6 branch
On Friday 04 April 2014 08:45:04 Stuart Stevenson did opine: - Even if it doesn't have everything people want in it (when would - it?) NEVER - the more it can do the more dreams of what it could do - Anything more than that, and I'm guessing the average - non-guru user will pass it by and find some other package - that says it installs easily. then gripe and whine the 'easy' button won't do what you need? :) I have an 'ifm' button on the bottom of my keyboard. It's F'in' Magic - uh - it hasn't worked yet. just sayin yeah, and I've been looking for the any key for 30 years. Haven't found a new keyboard with one of them yet. Cheers, Gene -- There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Genes Web page http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Announcing the LinuxCNC 2.6 branch
On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 8:46 AM, Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote: On Friday 04 April 2014 08:45:04 Stuart Stevenson did opine: - Even if it doesn't have everything people want in it (when would - it?) NEVER - the more it can do the more dreams of what it could do - Anything more than that, and I'm guessing the average - non-guru user will pass it by and find some other package - that says it installs easily. then gripe and whine the 'easy' button won't do what you need? :) I have an 'ifm' button on the bottom of my keyboard. It's F'in' Magic - uh - it hasn't worked yet. just sayin yeah, and I've been looking for the any key for 30 years. Haven't found a new keyboard with one of them yet. Cheers, Gene Here ya go Gene: http://freethumbs.dreamstime.com/24/big/free_244054.jpg Mark -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Announcing the LinuxCNC 2.6 branch
On Friday 04 April 2014 09:08:48 Mark Wendt did opine: On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 8:46 AM, Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote: On Friday 04 April 2014 08:45:04 Stuart Stevenson did opine: - Even if it doesn't have everything people want in it (when would - it?) NEVER - the more it can do the more dreams of what it could do - Anything more than that, and I'm guessing the average - non-guru user will pass it by and find some other package - that says it installs easily. then gripe and whine the 'easy' button won't do what you need? :) I have an 'ifm' button on the bottom of my keyboard. It's F'in' Magic - uh - it hasn't worked yet. just sayin yeah, and I've been looking for the any key for 30 years. Haven't found a new keyboard with one of them yet. Cheers, Gene Here ya go Gene: http://freethumbs.dreamstime.com/24/big/free_244054.jpg Mark Chuckle, clearly someone with entirely too much time on their hands. :) But I'd bet it still prints a d when pressed. ;P) Cheers, Gene -- There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Genes Web page http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Announcing the LinuxCNC 2.6 branch
IMO, the new 12.04 software center has some big usability problems compared to the Synaptic Mgr. Synaptic package manager is clearly a different package which can be loaded via the software center, then you can ignore the software center and get back to work! :-) I shuddered when I saw the software center as it reminds me of Window 8. I'm adapting to Unity, but they fixed some things that were not broken. :-( Dave On 4/4/2014 6:56 AM, sam sokolik wrote: I had mentioned in a previous email - the new 'package manager' in 12.04 and newer is 'ubuntu software center' It seems to have the similar functionality as synaptic. (search for stuff, add repositories..) http://imagebin.org/303764 (atleast it has done everything I have asked) sam On 04/04/2014 04:53 AM, Mark Wendt wrote: On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 11:07 PM, Dave Cole linuxcncro...@gmail.com wrote: Andy, I think you are being nice regarding Unity. Someone smoked too much of something and then continued to code anyway when they did Unity. Synaptic Manager does not come along with 12.04, I had to install it. (A glaring ommision ) Dave, The Synaptic package manager doesn't come bundled with Ubuntu v13.10 either. I'm running it here on my desktop machine at work. Most definitely a glaring omission. Mark -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Announcing the LinuxCNC 2.6 branch
You're right. Following the Mac philosophy, the user needs to be able to go to a single, easily found, place, and double click on an icon or filename, and the file should download then install itself. In fact, if there was a double-click installation of Ubuntu 12 and LinuxCNC that would be even better (but a few extra clicks or a bit of keyboarding for entry of personal or configuration details during installation would be acceptable). Anything more than that, and I'm guessing the average non-guru user will pass it by and find some other package that says it installs easily. Marcus I understand that everyone wants things to be easy to use. But if a single click install is the requirement for a CNC application, the user will be woefully disappointing when the CNC cards and components don't just plug and play. Which is more than a little ironic since there is almost nothing in the machine tool world that just happens with a single click. Dave -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Announcing the LinuxCNC 2.6 branch
On Fri, Apr 4, 2014, at 10:49 AM, Dave Cole wrote: I understand that everyone wants things to be easy to use. But if a single click install is the requirement for a CNC application, the user will be woefully disappointing when the CNC cards and components don't just plug and play. Which is more than a little ironic since there is almost nothing in the machine tool world that just happens with a single click. Dave A single click is the sound of a 1/8 carbide end mill breaking. -- John Kasunich jmkasun...@fastmail.fm -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Announcing the LinuxCNC 2.6 branch
On 4/4/2014 8:59 AM, John Kasunich wrote: On Fri, Apr 4, 2014, at 10:49 AM, Dave Cole wrote: I understand that everyone wants things to be easy to use. But if a single click install is the requirement for a CNC application, the user will be woefully disappointing when the CNC cards and components don't just plug and play. Which is more than a little ironic since there is almost nothing in the machine tool world that just happens with a single click. Dave A single click is the sound of a 1/8 carbide end mill breaking. Well other than that! ;-) -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Announcing the LinuxCNC 2.6 branch
The company i used to work for used to have a cnc with a plopper button. The boss would often come over and say plop a hole here and plop a slot there. But i never found it?:-\ On 04/04/14 13:17, Stuart Stevenson wrote: - Even if it doesn't have everything people want in it (when would - it?) NEVER - the more it can do the more dreams of what it could do - Anything more than that, and I'm guessing the average - non-guru user will pass it by and find some other package - that says it installs easily. then gripe and whine the 'easy' button won't do what you need? :) I have an 'ifm' button on the bottom of my keyboard. It's F'in' Magic - uh - it hasn't worked yet. just sayin -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Announcing the LinuxCNC 2.6 branch
W dniu 03.04.2014 22:26, Philipp Burch pisze: I understand, 7i80 support requires realtime ethernet, which requires rt-preempt or xenomai. I'm optimistic that the LinuxCNC developer community will continue to work on adding support for these realtime systems, and that when it's ready we will make another release that includes this support. Why is rt-preempt or Xenomai required for realtime ethernet? I'm running a machine with a homebrew board connected over a realtime UDP connection for a few months now without any problems. LinuxCNC handles the user frontend (AXIS with a custom panel), G-Code processing, and so on and talks to the board through a HAL module. This module is based mainly on the code from the RT-8p8c project (https://code.google.com/p/rt-8p8c/) and therefore uses RTnet (http://www.rtnet.org/) for the underlying stuff. I'm not using RTnet's TDMA facilities but standard UDP packets, as the PC has a dedicated NIC with only a straight cable to the board (which I'd recommend anyways, do not let a switch ruin the deterministic latency). The installation is just plain (X)Ubuntu 12.04 (10.04 does work as well, but I needed some of the newer packages for other things) with the LinuxCNC installation. No custom kernel or anything like this. Anyways, I probably just talk of a different thing than you. Regards, Philipp Mesanet hm2 driver is so complicated and along with linuxcnc architecture it needs functionality present only in userspace realtime layer on rtai, xenomai or rt-preempt. Probably there is a way to eliminate this need for hm2 driver so realtime ethernet could be totally independent from realtime layer, but it will be ready in few weeks. -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Announcing the LinuxCNC 2.6 branch
One functionality I would like to see is an integrated repository manager within LinuxCNC itself. That way, people could point to repositories for designs and downloads. Granted, a different use case than for the application itself, which has to use the software repository manager provided by the operating system. Charles Buckley On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 8:44 AM, Dave Cole linuxcncro...@gmail.com wrote: IMO, the new 12.04 software center has some big usability problems compared to the Synaptic Mgr. Synaptic package manager is clearly a different package which can be loaded via the software center, then you can ignore the software center and get back to work! :-) I shuddered when I saw the software center as it reminds me of Window 8. I'm adapting to Unity, but they fixed some things that were not broken. :-( Dave On 4/4/2014 6:56 AM, sam sokolik wrote: I had mentioned in a previous email - the new 'package manager' in 12.04 and newer is 'ubuntu software center' It seems to have the similar functionality as synaptic. (search for stuff, add repositories..) http://imagebin.org/303764 (atleast it has done everything I have asked) sam On 04/04/2014 04:53 AM, Mark Wendt wrote: On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 11:07 PM, Dave Cole linuxcncro...@gmail.com wrote: Andy, I think you are being nice regarding Unity. Someone smoked too much of something and then continued to code anyway when they did Unity. Synaptic Manager does not come along with 12.04, I had to install it. (A glaring ommision ) Dave, The Synaptic package manager doesn't come bundled with Ubuntu v13.10 either. I'm running it here on my desktop machine at work. Most definitely a glaring omission. Mark -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Announcing the LinuxCNC 2.6 branch
On 04/04/2014 04:18 AM, Russell Brown wrote: As a counterbalance to the brickbats flying around, I'd just like to say thanks for putting your head over the top and making a decision. Even if it doesn't have everything people want in it (when would it?), the mere fact that there is a new release is a positive thing for many people's perception of LinuxCNC. I have to second or third Russell's comments. Linuxcnc works as is. Sure, I would like several things changed, improved or created, but I know that I am not a developer and not even a tester. Just a user of the software. Thanks guys. Ed. -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Announcing the LinuxCNC 2.6 branch
On Wed, 02 Apr 2014 00:50:06 -0600, you wrote: I am pleased to announce the creation of a branch for stabilizing and releasing LinuxCNC 2.6. This marks the beginning of the 2.6 release process. Look for a 2.6.0~pre1 pre-release in the near future. The 2.6 branch does not contain either of the two big, hotly anticipated merge candidates, joints-axes and unified-build-candidate. It is my (unpopular) opinion that both of these branches require additional work to be release-ready, and i don't want to hold up the 2.6 release any longer. It's been two years since 2.5.0 and that's way too long. There are good features that are ready to release today, so I want to get those out to users while we finish up the next round of features for the next release. What good features are those Seb? Steve Blackmore -- -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Announcing the LinuxCNC 2.6 branch
I am very disheartened to read this. The fact that the new Trajectory planner/ubc work, will not be included . Exactly what is the 2.6 branch bringing to the table at this point?? As someone has already stated,why can it not be a case of switch the new TP on/off in the ini. It is the only way it will get tested properly. Or is it a case of the guys have put all the hard work in,And it will be shelved again!! I now remember why i turned away from Emc a good few year ago. -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Announcing the LinuxCNC 2.6 branch
On 3 April 2014 12:30, Mark Tucker m...@rmtucker.f2s.com wrote: Exactly what is the 2.6 branch bringing to the table at this point?? As someone has already stated,why can it not be a case of switch the new TP on/off in the ini. It is the only way it will get tested properly. If there was an inner circle that made this decision, then I wasn't part of it. But: Something as big as a new TP would always be expected to live in the master branch for a while where adventurous users could experiment with it and shake out the bugs. The Released versions are meant to be tested and known-good. 2.6 will introduce the things introduced to Master since the 2.5 release (which was 31st March 2012, quite a long time ago). This includes things such as G-code remapping (including Python access to interp state), a couple of new GUIs (gscreen and gmoccapy) and some more HAL components. I think there was a list somewhere, it is more than you might guess, but less than was expected. -- atp If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Announcing the LinuxCNC 2.6 branch
On 3 Apr 2014, at 13:17, andy pugh wrote: On 3 April 2014 12:30, Mark Tucker m...@rmtucker.f2s.com wrote: Exactly what is the 2.6 branch bringing to the table at this point?? As someone has already stated,why can it not be a case of switch the new TP on/off in the ini. It is the only way it will get tested properly. If there was an inner circle that made this decision, then I wasn't part of it. But: Something as big as a new TP would always be expected to live in the master branch for a while where adventurous users could experiment with it and shake out the bugs. The Released versions are meant to be tested and known-good. 2.6 will introduce the things introduced to Master since the 2.5 release (which was 31st March 2012, quite a long time ago). This includes things such as G-code remapping (including Python access to interp state), a couple of new GUIs (gscreen and gmoccapy) and some more HAL components. I think there was a list somewhere, it is more than you might guess, but less than was expected. For me, the most important part of what is proposed is that it seems as though it will provide a straightforward way to achieve an installation compatible with Ubuntu 12, without having to tweak, tease or persuade LinuxCNC. That, on its own, would be enough to qualify as a worthwhile incremental release. The larger changes would be very welcome, of course, but can wait for a subsequent release (from my own personal point of view - and reflecting my own perceived priorities). Marcus -- atp If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Announcing the LinuxCNC 2.6 branch
On 4/3/2014 7:17 AM, andy pugh wrote: On 3 April 2014 12:30, Mark Tucker m...@rmtucker.f2s.com wrote: Exactly what is the 2.6 branch bringing to the table at this point?? As someone has already stated,why can it not be a case of switch the new TP on/off in the ini. It is the only way it will get tested properly. If there was an inner circle that made this decision, then I wasn't part of it. But: Something as big as a new TP would always be expected to live in the master branch for a while where adventurous users could experiment with it and shake out the bugs. The Released versions are meant to be tested and known-good. 2.6 will introduce the things introduced to Master since the 2.5 release (which was 31st March 2012, quite a long time ago). This includes things such as G-code remapping (including Python access to interp state), a couple of new GUIs (gscreen and gmoccapy) and some more HAL components. I think there was a list somewhere, it is more than you might guess, but less than was expected. I agree, the new TP should definitely be in master as an option. I guess the big question for me is how soon will 2.7 be released that includes UB ? If it is a few months, that is a lot different than a few years. And yes, I know putting this all together is a lot of work and I truly appreciate that. :-) Dave -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Announcing the LinuxCNC 2.6 branch
As much as we all want the big features, not one of us who use and test the Master branch on a regular basis has seen any of these for general use or testing. I for one cannot wait to get the new TP but I will not use it in any installation before it has been tested by myself and a lot of other users. Unfortunately there are many lurkers and lesser informed people out there that spread rumours about things that are not to be. I had a tensed discussion with an unsuspecting user two days ago that insisted that the new TP will be in the release. So I will support the merger of these major features into the master branch as soon as possible so we can start testing :) But I also support the notion that untested stuff does not go for release until tested. On 2014-04-02 08:50, Sebastian Kuzminsky wrote: I am pleased to announce the creation of a branch for stabilizing and releasing LinuxCNC 2.6. This marks the beginning of the 2.6 release process. Look for a 2.6.0~pre1 pre-release in the near future. The 2.6 branch does not contain either of the two big, hotly anticipated merge candidates, joints-axes and unified-build-candidate. It is my (unpopular) opinion that both of these branches require additional work to be release-ready, and i don't want to hold up the 2.6 release any longer. It's been two years since 2.5.0 and that's way too long. There are good features that are ready to release today, so I want to get those out to users while we finish up the next round of features for the next release. Both branches are candidates for a future 2.7 release (as is Robert Ellenberg's new trajectory planner). I intend for the 2.7 release cycle to be much shorter than 2.6 was, and i intend to keep working with everyone's help to make ready the features in the pipeline for 2.7. But for now I ask for everyone's help in getting 2.6 out. Breaking with tradition, the 2.6 branch is called, simply, 2.6. Bug fixes are welcome in 2.6 (or in v2.5_branch if appropriate), as are new components and drivers, but commits that potentially destabilize existing functionality should be reviewed before being pushed to the release branch. The 2.6 release is targeting the following platforms: Realtime (RTAI): Ubuntu Lucid (32-bit, Linux 2.6.32) Ubuntu Precise (32-bit, Linux 3.4) Debian Wheezy (32-bit, Linux 3.4) Simulation: Ubuntu Lucid Ubuntu Precise Debian Wheezy Ubuntu Hardy (RTAI and simulation) is not currently supported because of a build dependency of the new xhc-hb04 driver. If there is user desire for 2.6 on Hardy we can disable that driver on Hardy (while still shipping that driver on the newer platforms). Work remaining/request for help: Testing - especially be on the lookout for any needed config changes Squashing of bugs (https://sf.net/p/emc/bugs/milestone/2.6/) Building of new Live CDs (for both Precise and Wheezy) Proof-reading the docs -- Regards /Groete Marius D. Liebenberg +27 82 698 3251 +27 12 743 6064 QQ 1767394877 -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Announcing the LinuxCNC 2.6 branch
On 4/2/14 15:56 , Michał Geszkiewicz wrote: Hi Seb, Hi Michal, Few questions: Who made decision about not including ubc and when? As release manager, I did. It was a few days before i made the 2.6 branch announcement. Where are the emails that invite developers to irc meeting to vote this? There were none - as release manager i made the decision. Why voting about need to integrate ubc before 2.6 from irc meeting http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Meeting201306 was ignored? The vote was not ignored. The vote was a general agreement that UB was a desirable feature that we should try to get into 2.6. Several of us worked on that branch (and on our infrastructure) to move it towards a state where we would feel comfortable merging UB for the 2.6 release. This work is ongoing, but it is my (unpopular) opinion that UB is not currently ready for release. I know the exclusion of UB for 2.6 is a disappointment for everyone. It's a big disappointment for me too, as one of the folks who have worked to include it. In retrospect we should have probably branched 2.6 back in July, but i was hopeful back then that we were close to merging UB and i wanted to wait for it... Why you ignoring mhaberler when he pointed out that all noted ubc issues was fixed? I didn't reply because i have a history of not having effective communication with Michael Haberler when the conversation is that emotional. I did not know about the commits he's referencing. Saying the issue is fixed because there's a commit in this other branch over here is a bit disingenuous. I dont follow all of Michael Haberler's branches. We have a branch that we were trying to get ready to merge, unified-build-candidate-3, that's where bug fixes for that branch belong. If the fixes had been made on the shared branch we were all trying to make release-ready, then i would have known about them, i would have known that the other developers were still making forward progress towards merge readiness, i could have closed the open bug tickets on the bug tracker, and we'd have been closer to merging UB for 2.6. Why are you ignoring fastest than ever rising group of users with small budget who want to use linuxcnc with stuff like beagleboard, raspberrypi with 3d printing?. I'm not ignoring them, on the contrary i've worked for a long time to try to include support for ARM platforms in LinuxCNC. I intend to continue to work towards this goal. I and lots of my friends have Beagle Bones and are looking forward to better support for them in LinuxCNC. What i do not want to do is hold up the 2.6 release any more while this work progresses. 2.6 is not the final release of LinuxCNC (i hope!). Additionally realtime ethernet is what could make linuxcnc project competitive with industrial cnc controllers. and it's only possible with ubc code. I understand, 7i80 support requires realtime ethernet, which requires rt-preempt or xenomai. I'm optimistic that the LinuxCNC developer community will continue to work on adding support for these realtime systems, and that when it's ready we will make another release that includes this support. -- Sebastian Kuzminsky -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Announcing the LinuxCNC 2.6 branch
On Thu, 03 Apr 2014 15:45:15 +0200, you wrote: As much as we all want the big features, not one of us who use and test the Master branch on a regular basis has seen any of these for general use or testing. I for one cannot wait to get the new TP but I will not use it in any installation before it has been tested by myself and a lot of other users. Unfortunately there are many lurkers and lesser informed people out there that spread rumours about things that are not to be. I had a tensed discussion with an unsuspecting user two days ago that insisted that the new TP will be in the release. So I will support the merger of these major features into the master branch as soon as possible so we can start testing :) But I also support the notion that untested stuff does not go for release until tested. It will NEVER get tested sufficiently hiding away in something you have to jump through hoops to get. I was very vociferous about broken CV / TP years ago, nothing happened - now as it's been fixed it sits languishing in some place only the adept can get at. I suspect a lot of other prospective users wont bother testing either because, like me, they are a machinist, not a Linux guru. Nothings changed, decision's all down to one or two guys who seem to go out of their way to delay, prevaricate and dream up excuses why we shouldn't rather than why we should. Steve Blackmore -- -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Announcing the LinuxCNC 2.6 branch
On 3 April 2014 19:50, Steve Blackmore st...@pilotltd.net wrote: now as it's been fixed it sits languishing in some place only the adept can get at. It isn't _that_ hard to get the development branch. Configure the Synaptic Package manager to look at the buildbot then tell it to update. -- atp If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Announcing the LinuxCNC 2.6 branch
I have to agree here. The instructions to install is on the wiki and not hard to do. I have not used production release (2.5.3) for a long time. I only use and test on master. Once it is set up it is three commands and you running On 2014-04-03 21:08, andy pugh wrote: On 3 April 2014 19:50, Steve Blackmore st...@pilotltd.net wrote: now as it's been fixed it sits languishing in some place only the adept can get at. It isn't _that_ hard to get the development branch. Configure the Synaptic Package manager to look at the buildbot then tell it to update. -- Regards /Groete Marius D. Liebenberg +27 82 698 3251 +27 12 743 6064 QQ 1767394877 -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Announcing the LinuxCNC 2.6 branch
Well i tried that. It now continually tells me there is an update,then will not let me as there is something wrong with keys. I have to continually remove and re-install. A rather large pain. On 03/04/14 20:08, andy pugh wrote: On 3 April 2014 19:50, Steve Blackmore st...@pilotltd.net wrote: now as it's been fixed it sits languishing in some place only the adept can get at. It isn't _that_ hard to get the development branch. Configure the Synaptic Package manager to look at the buildbot then tell it to update. -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Announcing the LinuxCNC 2.6 branch
Mark Use the git method to install and compile the master branch. The wiki is very clear and easy to follow. I turn the auto update stuff off completely as it screws with my stuff all the time. I do a regular pull form the branch to stay up to date. If I installed a machine from master and it runs without hassles I just leave it at that. Have a look here http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Installing_LinuxCNC#Getting_the_source_with_git On 2014-04-03 21:20, Mark Tucker wrote: Well i tried that. It now continually tells me there is an update,then will not let me as there is something wrong with keys. I have to continually remove and re-install. A rather large pain. On 03/04/14 20:08, andy pugh wrote: On 3 April 2014 19:50, Steve Blackmore st...@pilotltd.net wrote: now as it's been fixed it sits languishing in some place only the adept can get at. It isn't _that_ hard to get the development branch. Configure the Synaptic Package manager to look at the buildbot then tell it to update. -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Regards /Groete Marius D. Liebenberg +27 82 698 3251 +27 12 743 6064 QQ 1767394877 -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Announcing the LinuxCNC 2.6 branch
On 3 April 2014 20:31, Marius Liebenberg mar...@mastercut.co.za wrote: Mark Use the git method to install and compile the master branch. I do think that falls into the Linux Guru category though. Setting up an alternative software source (which I haven't found any problems with) is only a small extension of the normal way of getting software. -- atp If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Announcing the LinuxCNC 2.6 branch
Marius You have missed the point. I also run master from the git repository. But master fom the buildbot does not work correctly for me (wrong keys when updating). Which means i had to install from git and as steve said only the linux adept can get it. It is a case of oh load that version from here,but if you want that particular part to work you have to load it from another place. Oh and that place is a git to get it from On 03/04/14 20:31, Marius Liebenberg wrote: Mark Use the git method to install and compile the master branch. The wiki is very clear and easy to follow. I turn the auto update stuff off completely as it screws with my stuff all the time. I do a regular pull form the branch to stay up to date. If I installed a machine from master and it runs without hassles I just leave it at that. Have a look here http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Installing_LinuxCNC#Getting_the_source_with_git On 2014-04-03 21:20, Mark Tucker wrote: Well i tried that. It now continually tells me there is an update,then will not let me as there is something wrong with keys. I have to continually remove and re-install. A rather large pain. On 03/04/14 20:08, andy pugh wrote: On 3 April 2014 19:50, Steve Blackmore st...@pilotltd.net wrote: now as it's been fixed it sits languishing in some place only the adept can get at. It isn't _that_ hard to get the development branch. Configure the Synaptic Package manager to look at the buildbot then tell it to update. -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Announcing the LinuxCNC 2.6 branch
Andy, You talking about doing it this way? http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/ (BTW, I found that by googling how to get linuxcnc master branch) Agreed. Doing git and compiling falls under linux guru. But even I can follow the above instructions. On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 4:01 PM, andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com wrote: On 3 April 2014 20:31, Marius Liebenberg mar...@mastercut.co.za wrote: Mark Use the git method to install and compile the master branch. I do think that falls into the Linux Guru category though. Setting up an alternative software source (which I haven't found any problems with) is only a small extension of the normal way of getting software. -- atp If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Announcing the LinuxCNC 2.6 branch
Mark, I sure identify with you on your frustration. The first time to attempt a download is fraught with horror. Ask your questions - someone will help with an answer - you will get there. Simple questions get simple answers. One subject/question at a time will get you there a lot quicker than attempting to see the bottom of the rabbit hole on the first day. BTDT - I have the t-shirt - in fact I have the entire wardrobe! :) thanks Stuart On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 3:07 PM, Mark Tucker m...@rmtucker.f2s.com wrote: Marius You have missed the point. I also run master from the git repository. But master fom the buildbot does not work correctly for me (wrong keys when updating). Which means i had to install from git and as steve said only the linux adept can get it. It is a case of oh load that version from here,but if you want that particular part to work you have to load it from another place. Oh and that place is a git to get it from On 03/04/14 20:31, Marius Liebenberg wrote: Mark Use the git method to install and compile the master branch. The wiki is very clear and easy to follow. I turn the auto update stuff off completely as it screws with my stuff all the time. I do a regular pull form the branch to stay up to date. If I installed a machine from master and it runs without hassles I just leave it at that. Have a look here http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Installing_LinuxCNC#Getting_the_source_with_git On 2014-04-03 21:20, Mark Tucker wrote: Well i tried that. It now continually tells me there is an update,then will not let me as there is something wrong with keys. I have to continually remove and re-install. A rather large pain. On 03/04/14 20:08, andy pugh wrote: On 3 April 2014 19:50, Steve Blackmore st...@pilotltd.net wrote: now as it's been fixed it sits languishing in some place only the adept can get at. It isn't _that_ hard to get the development branch. Configure the Synaptic Package manager to look at the buildbot then tell it to update. -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Addressee is the intended audience. If you are not the addressee then my consent is not given for you to read this email furthermore it is my wish you would close this without saving or reading, and cease and desist from saving or opening my private correspondence. Thank you for honoring my wish. -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Announcing the LinuxCNC 2.6 branch
Hi everyone! On 04/03/2014 05:15 PM, Sebastian Kuzminsky wrote: On 4/2/14 15:56 , Michał Geszkiewicz wrote: Hi Seb, Hi Michal, [... some flaming ...] Additionally realtime ethernet is what could make linuxcnc project competitive with industrial cnc controllers. and it's only possible with ubc code. I understand, 7i80 support requires realtime ethernet, which requires rt-preempt or xenomai. I'm optimistic that the LinuxCNC developer community will continue to work on adding support for these realtime systems, and that when it's ready we will make another release that includes this support. Why is rt-preempt or Xenomai required for realtime ethernet? I'm running a machine with a homebrew board connected over a realtime UDP connection for a few months now without any problems. LinuxCNC handles the user frontend (AXIS with a custom panel), G-Code processing, and so on and talks to the board through a HAL module. This module is based mainly on the code from the RT-8p8c project (https://code.google.com/p/rt-8p8c/) and therefore uses RTnet (http://www.rtnet.org/) for the underlying stuff. I'm not using RTnet's TDMA facilities but standard UDP packets, as the PC has a dedicated NIC with only a straight cable to the board (which I'd recommend anyways, do not let a switch ruin the deterministic latency). The installation is just plain (X)Ubuntu 12.04 (10.04 does work as well, but I needed some of the newer packages for other things) with the LinuxCNC installation. No custom kernel or anything like this. Anyways, I probably just talk of a different thing than you. Regards, Philipp signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Announcing the LinuxCNC 2.6 branch
On 3 April 2014 21:09, Stephen Dubovsky smdubov...@gmail.com wrote: Andy, You talking about doing it this way? http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/ Yes, though you can add the same info to the package manager in the GUI. In Lucid you can find Synaptic from the Administration menu. In Precise this is probably most easily done (because Unity is just strange) by: Click Dash Home and look for Synaptic using the search box. (blame Canonical for that one, not LinuxCNC). (You might also need to install Synaptic from the Ubuntu Software Centre. I hadn't realised that) In the package manager select Settings - Repositories - other software and Add. Then paste the required line from buildbot.linuxcnc.org I just tried this and got a sim version on Precise-64. The RT version wouldn't install without the RT kernel. (itself available using: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxCNC_On_Ubuntu_Precise ) But that seems to require linux-guru work to set up the key. (You can use the deb line in the Package Manager gui, but it doesn't like that it is unsigned, and the GUI key manager wants a file) -- atp If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Announcing the LinuxCNC 2.6 branch
For those wanting to install LinuxCNC on Precise 12.04, search the old messages in the emc-users list for messages with this subject line: LinuxCNC on Ubuntu Precise 12.04 with RTAI Seb made the announcement of a way to install this months ago and it worked well except for a couple of issues that I ran into that I sent back to the list in an email.So whoever wants to install LinuxCNC on 12.04 can do it NOW. No excuses. Read the message string first, then do the install. I'm no Linux Guru (although a wannabe), but there is plenty of information out there on how to do a git pull and compile of the master. Andy, I think you are being nice regarding Unity. Someone smoked too much of something and then continued to code anyway when they did Unity. Synaptic Manager does not come along with 12.04, I had to install it. (A glaring ommision ) But that seems to require linux-guru work to set up the key. Already figured out. The how to is in the same message string that I mentioned above. This list is a huge wealth of information. (Thanks everyone! :-) Here is a hint on how to get by the fear of screwing up when it comes to LinuxCNC; Once you get something running, or you make significant progress, make a backup of your systems hard drive! That way if you fat finger a command and screw things up, you can revert to what you had before and not lose your work. If you are a Newbie, and fear DD (as I did originally) then pull the hard drive and use a Windows machine to image the hard drive contents to another drive. The windows program called R-Drive Image works fine to backup Linux disks. It is as easy to use as Acronis. A full image backup of LinuxCNC installed on 12.04 takes about 10 minutes.A restore takes about the same amount of time. Dave On 4/3/2014 4:45 PM, andy pugh wrote: On 3 April 2014 21:09, Stephen Dubovsky smdubov...@gmail.com wrote: Andy, You talking about doing it this way? http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/ Yes, though you can add the same info to the package manager in the GUI. In Lucid you can find Synaptic from the Administration menu. In Precise this is probably most easily done (because Unity is just strange) by: Click Dash Home and look for Synaptic using the search box. (blame Canonical for that one, not LinuxCNC). (You might also need to install Synaptic from the Ubuntu Software Centre. I hadn't realised that) In the package manager select Settings - Repositories - other software and Add. Then paste the required line from buildbot.linuxcnc.org I just tried this and got a sim version on Precise-64. The RT version wouldn't install without the RT kernel. (itself available using: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxCNC_On_Ubuntu_Precise ) But that seems to require linux-guru work to set up the key. (You can use the deb line in the Package Manager gui, but it doesn't like that it is unsigned, and the GUI key manager wants a file) -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Announcing the LinuxCNC 2.6 branch
I was not a linux person before I found linuxcnc (emc2 at the time). It was an unknown. (and I work in computers). After playing with linuxcnc for a while - I dual-booted my laptop between linuxcnc (ubuntu 6.04 iirc) and XP. Well - I started booting into windows less and less. I got the new laptop - installed the latest ubuntu LTS (12.04 at the time) dual booting between windows 7 and linux. Well - by that time - I rarely booted into windows. I thought unity was crap originally - but thought I would give it a go. I actually like it now.. (don't make fun). A lot of my testing is done on this laptop - I just got a SSD and decided to give 14.04lts a try. http://imagebin.org/303217 Didn't even install window nativly on the drive.. All linux. (I do have a few virtual machines that I use when needed..) http://imagebin.org/303503 So far (even though it isn't officially realeased until the middle of april) - I love it. This laptop - which alway ran way too hot - runs cool. Everything I have installed/transferred from 12.04 runs.. It too will be a good linuxcnc distro. It wasn't painful at all to install linuxcnc simulator on it. (which did suprise me - but all the work has made things easier..) (Hi - my name is sam - happy linuxcnc user) :) BTW - the unity 'synaptic package manager' is the ubuntu software center. (acts the same) sam On 04/03/2014 10:07 PM, Dave Cole wrote: For those wanting to install LinuxCNC on Precise 12.04, search the old messages in the emc-users list for messages with this subject line: LinuxCNC on Ubuntu Precise 12.04 with RTAI Seb made the announcement of a way to install this months ago and it worked well except for a couple of issues that I ran into that I sent back to the list in an email.So whoever wants to install LinuxCNC on 12.04 can do it NOW. No excuses. Read the message string first, then do the install. I'm no Linux Guru (although a wannabe), but there is plenty of information out there on how to do a git pull and compile of the master. Andy, I think you are being nice regarding Unity. Someone smoked too much of something and then continued to code anyway when they did Unity. Synaptic Manager does not come along with 12.04, I had to install it. (A glaring ommision ) But that seems to require linux-guru work to set up the key. Already figured out. The how to is in the same message string that I mentioned above. This list is a huge wealth of information. (Thanks everyone! :-) Here is a hint on how to get by the fear of screwing up when it comes to LinuxCNC; Once you get something running, or you make significant progress, make a backup of your systems hard drive! That way if you fat finger a command and screw things up, you can revert to what you had before and not lose your work. If you are a Newbie, and fear DD (as I did originally) then pull the hard drive and use a Windows machine to image the hard drive contents to another drive. The windows program called R-Drive Image works fine to backup Linux disks. It is as easy to use as Acronis. A full image backup of LinuxCNC installed on 12.04 takes about 10 minutes.A restore takes about the same amount of time. Dave On 4/3/2014 4:45 PM, andy pugh wrote: On 3 April 2014 21:09, Stephen Dubovsky smdubov...@gmail.com wrote: Andy, You talking about doing it this way? http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/ Yes, though you can add the same info to the package manager in the GUI. In Lucid you can find Synaptic from the Administration menu. In Precise this is probably most easily done (because Unity is just strange) by: Click Dash Home and look for Synaptic using the search box. (blame Canonical for that one, not LinuxCNC). (You might also need to install Synaptic from the Ubuntu Software Centre. I hadn't realised that) In the package manager select Settings - Repositories - other software and Add. Then paste the required line from buildbot.linuxcnc.org I just tried this and got a sim version on Precise-64. The RT version wouldn't install without the RT kernel. (itself available using: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxCNC_On_Ubuntu_Precise ) But that seems to require linux-guru work to set up the key. (You can use the deb line in the Package Manager gui, but it doesn't like that it is unsigned, and the GUI key manager wants a file) -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Announcing the LinuxCNC 2.6 branch
Mark I also only ever run from the master. I dont use the buildbot since I found it to be unreliable some time ago. It might have bee fixed by now but it is not my preferred method. I dont usually install from git unless it is a special case to test. Hence my request to Seb to get the new stuff into the master so that more of us can get to test it. But I do understand the guru issue although I think it is more of a problem because people are historically scared of linux. There's an old saying Nothing ventured nothing gained. It is not as hard as what you think once you get to know it. We are never to old to learn and learning is the only resistance to getting senile. :) On 2014-04-03 22:07, Mark Tucker wrote: Marius You have missed the point. I also run master from the git repository. But master fom the buildbot does not work correctly for me (wrong keys when updating). Which means i had to install from git and as steve said only the linux adept can get it. It is a case of oh load that version from here,but if you want that particular part to work you have to load it from another place. Oh and that place is a git to get it from On 03/04/14 20:31, Marius Liebenberg wrote: Mark Use the git method to install and compile the master branch. The wiki is very clear and easy to follow. I turn the auto update stuff off completely as it screws with my stuff all the time. I do a regular pull form the branch to stay up to date. If I installed a machine from master and it runs without hassles I just leave it at that. Have a look here http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Installing_LinuxCNC#Getting_the_source_with_git On 2014-04-03 21:20, Mark Tucker wrote: Well i tried that. It now continually tells me there is an update,then will not let me as there is something wrong with keys. I have to continually remove and re-install. A rather large pain. On 03/04/14 20:08, andy pugh wrote: On 3 April 2014 19:50, Steve Blackmore st...@pilotltd.net wrote: now as it's been fixed it sits languishing in some place only the adept can get at. It isn't _that_ hard to get the development branch. Configure the Synaptic Package manager to look at the buildbot then tell it to update. -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Regards /Groete Marius D. Liebenberg +27 82 698 3251 +27 12 743 6064 QQ 1767394877 -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Announcing the LinuxCNC 2.6 branch
I would have put the likes of yourself into the guru class not what I do :) On 2014-04-03 22:01, andy pugh wrote: On 3 April 2014 20:31, Marius Liebenberg mar...@mastercut.co.za wrote: Mark Use the git method to install and compile the master branch. I do think that falls into the Linux Guru category though. Setting up an alternative software source (which I haven't found any problems with) is only a small extension of the normal way of getting software. -- Regards /Groete Marius D. Liebenberg +27 82 698 3251 +27 12 743 6064 QQ 1767394877 -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
[Emc-users] Announcing the LinuxCNC 2.6 branch
I am pleased to announce the creation of a branch for stabilizing and releasing LinuxCNC 2.6. This marks the beginning of the 2.6 release process. Look for a 2.6.0~pre1 pre-release in the near future. The 2.6 branch does not contain either of the two big, hotly anticipated merge candidates, joints-axes and unified-build-candidate. It is my (unpopular) opinion that both of these branches require additional work to be release-ready, and i don't want to hold up the 2.6 release any longer. It's been two years since 2.5.0 and that's way too long. There are good features that are ready to release today, so I want to get those out to users while we finish up the next round of features for the next release. Both branches are candidates for a future 2.7 release (as is Robert Ellenberg's new trajectory planner). I intend for the 2.7 release cycle to be much shorter than 2.6 was, and i intend to keep working with everyone's help to make ready the features in the pipeline for 2.7. But for now I ask for everyone's help in getting 2.6 out. Breaking with tradition, the 2.6 branch is called, simply, 2.6. Bug fixes are welcome in 2.6 (or in v2.5_branch if appropriate), as are new components and drivers, but commits that potentially destabilize existing functionality should be reviewed before being pushed to the release branch. The 2.6 release is targeting the following platforms: Realtime (RTAI): Ubuntu Lucid (32-bit, Linux 2.6.32) Ubuntu Precise (32-bit, Linux 3.4) Debian Wheezy (32-bit, Linux 3.4) Simulation: Ubuntu Lucid Ubuntu Precise Debian Wheezy Ubuntu Hardy (RTAI and simulation) is not currently supported because of a build dependency of the new xhc-hb04 driver. If there is user desire for 2.6 on Hardy we can disable that driver on Hardy (while still shipping that driver on the newer platforms). Work remaining/request for help: Testing - especially be on the lookout for any needed config changes Squashing of bugs (https://sf.net/p/emc/bugs/milestone/2.6/) Building of new Live CDs (for both Precise and Wheezy) Proof-reading the docs -- Sebastian Kuzminsky -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Announcing the LinuxCNC 2.6 branch
Yay! This is a good decision. Just a stepping stone to 2.7. (which
won't be as long as 2.6 was)
I have seen all the sausage making - with the relatively few people
actively working on linuxcnc - big features/improvements are in the
works. (and this takes time) (but thing are coalescing..)
I just wish I could do more than play with {cough} I mean test linuxcnc.
Keep up the great work!
sam
On 04/02/2014 01:50 AM, Sebastian Kuzminsky wrote:
I am pleased to announce the creation of a branch for stabilizing and
releasing LinuxCNC 2.6. This marks the beginning of the 2.6 release
process. Look for a 2.6.0~pre1 pre-release in the near future.
The 2.6 branch does not contain either of the two big, hotly anticipated
merge candidates, joints-axes and unified-build-candidate. It is my
(unpopular) opinion that both of these branches require additional work
to be release-ready, and i don't want to hold up the 2.6 release any
longer. It's been two years since 2.5.0 and that's way too long. There
are good features that are ready to release today, so I want to get
those out to users while we finish up the next round of features for the
next release.
Both branches are candidates for a future 2.7 release (as is Robert
Ellenberg's new trajectory planner). I intend for the 2.7 release cycle
to be much shorter than 2.6 was, and i intend to keep working with
everyone's help to make ready the features in the pipeline for 2.7. But
for now I ask for everyone's help in getting 2.6 out.
Breaking with tradition, the 2.6 branch is called, simply, 2.6. Bug
fixes are welcome in 2.6 (or in v2.5_branch if appropriate), as are new
components and drivers, but commits that potentially destabilize
existing functionality should be reviewed before being pushed to the
release branch.
The 2.6 release is targeting the following platforms:
Realtime (RTAI):
Ubuntu Lucid (32-bit, Linux 2.6.32)
Ubuntu Precise (32-bit, Linux 3.4)
Debian Wheezy (32-bit, Linux 3.4)
Simulation:
Ubuntu Lucid
Ubuntu Precise
Debian Wheezy
Ubuntu Hardy (RTAI and simulation) is not currently supported because of
a build dependency of the new xhc-hb04 driver. If there is user desire
for 2.6 on Hardy we can disable that driver on Hardy (while still
shipping that driver on the newer platforms).
Work remaining/request for help:
Testing - especially be on the lookout for any needed config changes
Squashing of bugs (https://sf.net/p/emc/bugs/milestone/2.6/)
Building of new Live CDs (for both Precise and Wheezy)
Proof-reading the docs
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Re: [Emc-users] Announcing the LinuxCNC 2.6 branch
With the large number of changes to the architecture, will there be a jump
to 3.0 after 2.7?
On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 4:25 AM, sam sokolik sa...@empirescreen.com wrote:
Yay! This is a good decision. Just a stepping stone to 2.7. (which
won't be as long as 2.6 was)
I have seen all the sausage making - with the relatively few people
actively working on linuxcnc - big features/improvements are in the
works. (and this takes time) (but thing are coalescing..)
I just wish I could do more than play with {cough} I mean test linuxcnc.
Keep up the great work!
sam
On 04/02/2014 01:50 AM, Sebastian Kuzminsky wrote:
I am pleased to announce the creation of a branch for stabilizing and
releasing LinuxCNC 2.6. This marks the beginning of the 2.6 release
process. Look for a 2.6.0~pre1 pre-release in the near future.
The 2.6 branch does not contain either of the two big, hotly anticipated
merge candidates, joints-axes and unified-build-candidate. It is my
(unpopular) opinion that both of these branches require additional work
to be release-ready, and i don't want to hold up the 2.6 release any
longer. It's been two years since 2.5.0 and that's way too long. There
are good features that are ready to release today, so I want to get
those out to users while we finish up the next round of features for the
next release.
Both branches are candidates for a future 2.7 release (as is Robert
Ellenberg's new trajectory planner). I intend for the 2.7 release cycle
to be much shorter than 2.6 was, and i intend to keep working with
everyone's help to make ready the features in the pipeline for 2.7. But
for now I ask for everyone's help in getting 2.6 out.
Breaking with tradition, the 2.6 branch is called, simply, 2.6. Bug
fixes are welcome in 2.6 (or in v2.5_branch if appropriate), as are new
components and drivers, but commits that potentially destabilize
existing functionality should be reviewed before being pushed to the
release branch.
The 2.6 release is targeting the following platforms:
Realtime (RTAI):
Ubuntu Lucid (32-bit, Linux 2.6.32)
Ubuntu Precise (32-bit, Linux 3.4)
Debian Wheezy (32-bit, Linux 3.4)
Simulation:
Ubuntu Lucid
Ubuntu Precise
Debian Wheezy
Ubuntu Hardy (RTAI and simulation) is not currently supported because of
a build dependency of the new xhc-hb04 driver. If there is user desire
for 2.6 on Hardy we can disable that driver on Hardy (while still
shipping that driver on the newer platforms).
Work remaining/request for help:
Testing - especially be on the lookout for any needed config changes
Squashing of bugs (https://sf.net/p/emc/bugs/milestone/2.6/)
Building of new Live CDs (for both Precise and Wheezy)
Proof-reading the docs
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Re: [Emc-users] Announcing the LinuxCNC 2.6 branch
Hi Seb, Few questions: Who made decision about not including ubc and when? Where are the emails that invite developers to irc meeting to vote this? Why voting about need to integrate ubc before 2.6 from irc meeting http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Meeting201306 was ignored? Why you ignoring mhaberler when he pointed out that all noted ubc issues was fixed? Why are you ignoring fastest than ever rising group of users with small budget who want to use linuxcnc with stuff like beagleboard, raspberrypi with 3d printing?. Additionally realtime ethernet is what could make linuxcnc project competitive with industrial cnc controllers. and it's only possible with ubc code. Michael W dniu 02.04.2014 08:50, Sebastian Kuzminsky pisze: I am pleased to announce the creation of a branch for stabilizing and releasing LinuxCNC 2.6. This marks the beginning of the 2.6 release process. Look for a 2.6.0~pre1 pre-release in the near future. The 2.6 branch does not contain either of the two big, hotly anticipated merge candidates, joints-axes and unified-build-candidate. It is my (unpopular) opinion that both of these branches require additional work to be release-ready, and i don't want to hold up the 2.6 release any longer. It's been two years since 2.5.0 and that's way too long. There are good features that are ready to release today, so I want to get those out to users while we finish up the next round of features for the next release. Both branches are candidates for a future 2.7 release (as is Robert Ellenberg's new trajectory planner). I intend for the 2.7 release cycle to be much shorter than 2.6 was, and i intend to keep working with everyone's help to make ready the features in the pipeline for 2.7. But for now I ask for everyone's help in getting 2.6 out. Breaking with tradition, the 2.6 branch is called, simply, 2.6. Bug fixes are welcome in 2.6 (or in v2.5_branch if appropriate), as are new components and drivers, but commits that potentially destabilize existing functionality should be reviewed before being pushed to the release branch. The 2.6 release is targeting the following platforms: Realtime (RTAI): Ubuntu Lucid (32-bit, Linux 2.6.32) Ubuntu Precise (32-bit, Linux 3.4) Debian Wheezy (32-bit, Linux 3.4) Simulation: Ubuntu Lucid Ubuntu Precise Debian Wheezy Ubuntu Hardy (RTAI and simulation) is not currently supported because of a build dependency of the new xhc-hb04 driver. If there is user desire for 2.6 on Hardy we can disable that driver on Hardy (while still shipping that driver on the newer platforms). Work remaining/request for help: Testing - especially be on the lookout for any needed config changes Squashing of bugs (https://sf.net/p/emc/bugs/milestone/2.6/) Building of new Live CDs (for both Precise and Wheezy) Proof-reading the docs -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
