Re: [Emc-users] Does replying to old threads go straight to the spam bin?

[Gene Heskett]

On Sunday 11 November 2012 11:11:07 Kent A. Reed did opine:

> On 11/11/2012 1:14 AM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Sunday 11 November 2012 01:12:07 Jon Elson did opine:
> >> On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 3:41 PM, Jason Burton
> >> 
> >> 
> >> wrote:
>  The archive shows them as marked as spam.
> >> 
> >> If your sig line contains a URL, or there is one included in the
> >> message body to reference
> >> an external web page, that will often trigger the "marked as spam"
> >> condition.  (At
> >> least, those are the rules Yahoo groups seems to use.)
> >> 
> >> Jon
> > 
> > Which is an odd statement considering that the _only_ links in the sig
> > or footer of Jasons msgs, were put there by this mail server. See
> > below for the example.
> 
> True, Gene, but Jon was just citing Yahoo groups as an example (besides,
> the sourceforge server checks the email *before* it adds the crap that
> allows us to use these lists free of charge). We don't know the details
> of the sourceforge list server.
> 
> Jason - you are using gmail.com as your mail host just as I am. You
> should know that many spammers use gmail.com and many other mail
> handlers aren't very happy with it. Case in point, I'm looking at the
> headers of your original message and I see the following (inserted by
> sourceforge; this is just the first few lines)
> 
> > X-Spam-Report: Spam Filtering performed by mx.sourceforge.net.
> > 
> > See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details.
> > -1.5 SPF_CHECK_PASS SPF reports sender host as permitted sender for
> > sender-domain
> > 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail
> > provider (lathebuilder[at]gmail.com)
> 
> More than once, I've had temporary trouble communicating with this list
> from my gmail account. It was much worse with my old ISP-provided
> account. It got blackballed which is why I had to switch to gmail.
> 
> If your messages are being rejected by the list server, you should be
> receiving explanatory responses in your mailbox as I have.
> 
> Regards,
> Kent
> 
I have a gmail account (who doesn't) but have largely migrated off it, 
mainly because there is no echo to indicate that my messages even get to a 
list, so it, unless someone replies, always looks as if my message was 
dumped.  I want that echo to prove to me the messages were delivered TO the 
list by getting that posting back as a receipt. So I use gmail very little 
anymore.  And I have never used my IPS's email server as their max pw 
length is 5 characters.  'scuse me!  Bunch of arrogant nincompoops IMO. I 
have a longer, but still probably quickly crackable pw at my former place 
of employment, an account that will be active for me till I pass.  Its on 
big iron as lots of video is moved thru it, so my text traffic, verbose as 
it is at times, doesn't bother that qmail server a bit.

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Re: [Emc-users] Does replying to old threads go straight to the spam bin?

[Jon Elson]

On 11/11/2012 12:14 AM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Sunday 11 November 2012 01:12:07 Jon Elson did opine:
>
>>
>> If your sig line contains a URL, or there is one included in the message
>> body to reference
>> an external web page, that will often trigger the "marked as spam"
>> condition.  (At
>> least, those are the rules Yahoo groups seems to use.)
>>
>> Jon
>>
> Which is an odd statement considering that the _only_ links in the sig or
> footer of Jasons msgs, were put there by this mail server. See below for
> the example.
>
Yes, every mailing list server has their own set of rules for how to tag 
spam, and they
change them from time to time.  I'm a moderator of the Atlas/Craftsman Yahoo
group and I have never fully understood how their rules work.  Some messages
have plain URLs in them, and I assume that is why.  Others have no URL,
so I'm guessing they contain some keyword that Yahoo is using to ID spam
that week.  I have to OK all suspected spam to clear it for posting, so 
I get to
make the final discrimination.  And, most of what they tag is OK.

Jon

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Re: [Emc-users] Does replying to old threads go straight to the spam bin?

[Kent A. Reed]

On 11/11/2012 1:14 AM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Sunday 11 November 2012 01:12:07 Jon Elson did opine:
>
>> On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 3:41 PM, Jason Burton 
>>
>> wrote:
 The archive shows them as marked as spam.
>> If your sig line contains a URL, or there is one included in the message
>> body to reference
>> an external web page, that will often trigger the "marked as spam"
>> condition.  (At
>> least, those are the rules Yahoo groups seems to use.)
>>
>> Jon
>>
> Which is an odd statement considering that the _only_ links in the sig or
> footer of Jasons msgs, were put there by this mail server. See below for
> the example.
>

True, Gene, but Jon was just citing Yahoo groups as an example (besides, 
the sourceforge server checks the email *before* it adds the crap that 
allows us to use these lists free of charge). We don't know the details 
of the sourceforge list server.

Jason - you are using gmail.com as your mail host just as I am. You 
should know that many spammers use gmail.com and many other mail 
handlers aren't very happy with it. Case in point, I'm looking at the 
headers of your original message and I see the following (inserted by 
sourceforge; this is just the first few lines)

> X-Spam-Report: Spam Filtering performed by mx.sourceforge.net.
>   See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details.
>   -1.5 SPF_CHECK_PASS SPF reports sender host as permitted sender for
>   sender-domain
>   0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider
>   (lathebuilder[at]gmail.com)

More than once, I've had temporary trouble communicating with this list 
from my gmail account. It was much worse with my old ISP-provided 
account. It got blackballed which is why I had to switch to gmail.

If your messages are being rejected by the list server, you should be 
receiving explanatory responses in your mailbox as I have.

Regards,
Kent


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Re: [Emc-users] Does replying to old threads go straight to the spam bin?

[Gene Heskett]

On Sunday 11 November 2012 01:12:07 Jon Elson did opine:

> On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 3:41 PM, Jason Burton 
> 
> wrote:
> >> The archive shows them as marked as spam.
> 
> If your sig line contains a URL, or there is one included in the message
> body to reference
> an external web page, that will often trigger the "marked as spam"
> condition.  (At
> least, those are the rules Yahoo groups seems to use.)
> 
> Jon
> 
Which is an odd statement considering that the _only_ links in the sig or 
footer of Jasons msgs, were put there by this mail server. See below for 
the example.
> 
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Re: [Emc-users] Does replying to old threads go straight to the spam bin?

[Jon Elson]

On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 3:41 PM, Jason Burton  
wrote:
>> The archive shows them as marked as spam.
>>
>>
If your sig line contains a URL, or there is one included in the message 
body to reference
an external web page, that will often trigger the "marked as spam" 
condition.  (At
least, those are the rules Yahoo groups seems to use.)

Jon

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Re: [Emc-users] Does replying to old threads go straight to the spam bin?

[Gene Heskett]

On Saturday 10 November 2012 19:37:20 Jason Burton did opine:

> Now I am mildly confused.  Looking straight at the sourceforge archive I
> see no additional replies to my message (found a robot control on
> Ebay...from earlier today).  The bottom of the page on sourceforge also
> says "1 message has been excluded from this view by a project
> administrator."
> 
> Of course, I'm not calling you a liar but rather calling my mail/list
> readers into question.
> 
> Best,
> Jason
> 
I have no clue what the other poster meant when he said 16 replies.

2 things Jason, it appears you aren't using a mailer that threads, and from 
you, I only have 3 msgs in the last 2 weeks or so.  If you are continuing a 
message thread, please reply to a message in that thread as opposed to 
starting a new one with a new subject line, AND trim the original msg to 
just that which continues the "conversation".  That makes it difficult for 
any of our email agents to track who said what.

> On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 4:32 PM, Jack Coats  wrote:
> > Yep, along with the 16 replies to it.
> > 
> > ><> ... Jack
> > 
> > On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 4:03 PM, Jason Burton 
> > 
> > wrote:
> > > Thanks. Did the reply to my 100 watt servo amp thread go through?
> > > 
> > > Best,
> > > Jason
> > > 
> > >  On Nov 10, 2012 3:55 PM, "Jack Coats"  wrote:
> > >> Not here.
> > >> 
> > >> ><> ... Jack
> > >> 
> > >> On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 3:41 PM, Jason Burton
> > >> 
> > >> 
> > >> wrote:
> > >> > Several times I've replied to what seem like recent enough topics
> > >> > to
> > 
> > no
> > 
> > >> > avail.
> > >> > 
> > >> > The archive shows them as marked as spam.
> > >> > 
> > >> > Just trying to understand the correct protocol.
> > 

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Re: [Emc-users] Does replying to old threads go straight to the spam bin?

[andy pugh]

On 10 November 2012 23:59, Jason Burton  wrote:
> Now I am mildly confused.  Looking straight at the sourceforge archive I
> see no additional replies to my message

Entire threads seem to bypass that archive.
However, there have been no replies since you said you had found an
OEM controller. (There wasn't a huge amount to say)
Also bear in mind that gmail tends not to show you your own replies to
mailing lists.

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Re: [Emc-users] Does replying to old threads go straight to the spam bin?

[Jason Burton]

Now I am mildly confused.  Looking straight at the sourceforge archive I
see no additional replies to my message (found a robot control on
Ebay...from earlier today).  The bottom of the page on sourceforge also
says "1 message has been excluded from this view by a project
administrator."

Of course, I'm not calling you a liar but rather calling my mail/list
readers into question.

Best,
Jason

On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 4:32 PM, Jack Coats  wrote:

> Yep, along with the 16 replies to it.
> ><> ... Jack
>
> On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 4:03 PM, Jason Burton 
> wrote:
> > Thanks. Did the reply to my 100 watt servo amp thread go through?
> >
> > Best,
> > Jason
> >  On Nov 10, 2012 3:55 PM, "Jack Coats"  wrote:
> >
> >> Not here.
> >> ><> ... Jack
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 3:41 PM, Jason Burton 
> >> wrote:
> >> > Several times I've replied to what seem like recent enough topics to
> no
> >> > avail.
> >> >
> >> > The archive shows them as marked as spam.
> >> >
> >> > Just trying to understand the correct protocol.
>
>
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Re: [Emc-users] Does replying to old threads go straight to the spam bin?

[Jack Coats]

Yep, along with the 16 replies to it.
><> ... Jack

On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 4:03 PM, Jason Burton  wrote:
> Thanks. Did the reply to my 100 watt servo amp thread go through?
>
> Best,
> Jason
>  On Nov 10, 2012 3:55 PM, "Jack Coats"  wrote:
>
>> Not here.
>> ><> ... Jack
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 3:41 PM, Jason Burton 
>> wrote:
>> > Several times I've replied to what seem like recent enough topics to no
>> > avail.
>> >
>> > The archive shows them as marked as spam.
>> >
>> > Just trying to understand the correct protocol.

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Re: [Emc-users] Does replying to old threads go straight to the spam bin?

[Gene Heskett]

On Saturday 10 November 2012 17:25:53 Jason Burton did opine:

> Thanks. Did the reply to my 100 watt servo amp thread go through?
> 
> Best,
> Jason
> 
Yes, I got it just Fine, Jason.

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Re: [Emc-users] Does replying to old threads go straight to the spam bin?

[Jason Burton]

Thanks. Did the reply to my 100 watt servo amp thread go through?

Best,
Jason
 On Nov 10, 2012 3:55 PM, "Jack Coats"  wrote:

> Not here.
> ><> ... Jack
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 3:41 PM, Jason Burton 
> wrote:
> > Several times I've replied to what seem like recent enough topics to no
> > avail.
> >
> > The archive shows them as marked as spam.
> >
> > Just trying to understand the correct protocol.
> >
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Re: [Emc-users] Does replying to old threads go straight to the spam bin?

[Gene Heskett]

On Saturday 10 November 2012 16:58:24 Jason Burton did opine:

> Several times I've replied to what seem like recent enough topics to no
> avail.
> 
> The archive shows them as marked as spam.
> 
> Just trying to understand the correct protocol.

Not spammish here, SA rated this at -2.3 in fact, so whail away on the 
keyboard & say something. :)

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Re: [Emc-users] Does replying to old threads go straight to the spam bin?

[Jack Coats]

Not here.
><> ... Jack


On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 3:41 PM, Jason Burton  wrote:
> Several times I've replied to what seem like recent enough topics to no
> avail.
>
> The archive shows them as marked as spam.
>
> Just trying to understand the correct protocol.
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[Emc-users] Does replying to old threads go straight to the spam bin?

[Jason Burton]

Several times I've replied to what seem like recent enough topics to no
avail.

The archive shows them as marked as spam.

Just trying to understand the correct protocol.
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