Re: [Emc-users] EMC Supported Boards and more
> Jon Elson wrote: > Well, I tried to get Art to support, or help ME support my PPMC > line of servo controllers under Machx. He declined to do > anything on it, after sounding enthusiastic for a short while. . I don't want to take this to far off the topic of EMC, but Art has released a SDK for writing 'plug-ins' that has been used to do the galil, ncPOd and a few input devices. If you really want to support your device, and if its possible under the limits of windows, then you now have the needed tools to do it. I know thats not 'open', but its about as close as windows gets. ron ginger - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] EMC Supported Boards and more
Len Shelton wrote: >>> Can't quite see the logic in not supporting "smart" cards though > > I don't see a need to move to a smart card, unless you are working with a > not-so-smart OS, like Windows. More advanced Trajectory types is one benefit.Not sure what EMC2 supports, as I have not used it to run a machine yet. I can't even comment on it. > >>> Mach's going that way slowly... > > No - Mach jumped in bed with Gecko. When I asked about whether there was an > API for other hardware manufacturers to build devices like the G100, I was > moderated off the list. Not sure which list you are talking about, but I seriously doubt any opinons would make either group kick someone out. Also in bed with Galil, The NC-Pod people, and soon DaltaTau? I think it's more like they are trying to take it further, sometimes trying to do it a little too fast ;) I'll use whatever I feel is going to suit my needs, I have some issues with Mach, and I'm sure I'll find some with EMC2. But at the end of the day I'll try to not be a zealot of either cause. Wayne... -- --- Wayne M Weedon Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fdos Design Poole UK Tel +44-1202-677025Fax +44-1202-770515 Mobile: 07774 439915 Specialists in small batch & Production Mechanical/Electrical Engineering --- - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] EMC Supported Boards and more
>> Can't quite see the logic in not supporting "smart" cards though I don't see a need to move to a smart card, unless you are working with a not-so-smart OS, like Windows. >> Mach's going that way slowly... No - Mach jumped in bed with Gecko. When I asked about whether there was an API for other hardware manufacturers to build devices like the G100, I was moderated off the list. That's my point of view, FWIW. >Len - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] EMC Supported Boards and more
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > My advice on how to proceed. First study a bit about EMC2 by downloading and > building a PC with the Live CDROM. Start up emc2 and look around a bit at > the Hardware Abstraction Layer. That install also gives you a couple of > manuals that you can have a look at for further info. Second is to get > yourself hooked into the comm networks, lists and ircs. Third remember that > "we" are a collection of unpaid folk who are working here for mutual benefit. > If all what you want to do is make chips using EMC2, you might consider > hiring a consultant. If you choose the consultant path, a note here to that > effect should get several interested folk. Well I do intend to install the live cd on another machine and give it a go. Although I use my machines to make my living (1 man band), the retrofitting is "the" hobby, been doing it since my 1st retrofit of my other Hardinge lathe back in the late 90's that was with ahha software. Since then I've played with and used Mach which I find pretty good, but it's always good to try something different! Consultants! Hmm that would take the fun out of it, and I'd probably lose interest and go out and buy a machine with a fanuc on it! I've had machines with Fanuc, Mitsubishi and Siemens controls, funny how they were all ripped out, when I could of just spent the money to get them going again! Again no fun in it. I like the fact I can repair my own machines. I can see there will be a benefit in performance by using "real" analogue drives over step/dir drives. Is my assumption correct? Can't quite see the logic in not supporting "smart" cards though, Mach's going that way slowly, and only time will tell how good the implementation is.The Industry in general have moved in that direction. But I see a lot of support for common buses (e.g CANbus) in the industry too. Wayne -- --- Wayne M Weedon Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fdos Design Poole UK Tel +44-1202-677025Fax +44-1202-770515 Mobile: 07774 439915 Specialists in small batch & Production Mechanical/Electrical Engineering --- - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] EMC Supported Boards and more
Hi Wayne On Sat, 31 Mar 2007 15:24:54 +0100, "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" said: >Hi all. > >Been looking a little into EMC2 and in the next week will be able to >compare it to the software I currently use on the VMC (mach). > >I do really want to get away from Parallel ports and maybe even step/dir >drives. I try not to use steppers under any circumstances. > >My biggest major project is my Hardinge HXL-S CNC lathe which has been a >long battle to get as far as I have got with limited time available. I >also have two gang tooled lathes in the queue. > >Anyways, had a quick look at the boards supported by EMC2 and it does >seem that they are all passive devices ie not motion controllers per se >as say a DeltaTau or Galil card would be. But rather convenient i/o cards. We tend to think in terms of "dumb" io as opposed to "smart" cards. Dumb io passes signals directly through to the PC where smart io tends to process stuff on the card. The Galil or DeltaTau boards are "smart" to our way of thinking because they take a high level set of signals and produce motion from them. >Do they offer performance advantages over the parallel port other than >the additional i/o available? If by the term "they" you are referring to dumb cards, they offer the advantage of many more signals than you can get from a single parport. There is no speed advantage of say a mesa or vital or ... over a parport because the speed can be handled by emc's thread timing. >Is it likely that EMC2 will support so called intelligent motion >controllers? I don't know any reason we would want to. We use the PC to handle motion planning and such that the intelligent boards do. If we were to build an EMC for galil for example it would be little more than an interpreter and some sort of task/canon reader that translated it's input into the galil language. >Any intention to support external PLC's over modbus? Again our thinking has been, "why spend the money for an external processor when the PC can also handle these tasks. That's why we have a logic processor working in the emc environment itself. >What would the experienced emc2 guys here suggest as far as the type I >should use for the lathe above as an example? > >Currently it has new servo motors (brushed) and drives (step/dir input) >but the machine also needs a load more i/o for the other systems on the >machine. It has a 1024 lpr encoder on the spindle which I would like to > exploit rather than just an index signal. We chose Pico stuff for the last lathe I worked on. It was simply a matter of price for the combination of real servo drives, real feedback to the PC and just a bit of "smarts" on the Pico interface cards. It should easily handle the setup you have described here. Oh and did I mention that it produces a fully closed loop servo system! >I know how I would do it with Mach, but emc2 is not quite the same ;) That is a truth! Pico tried to get their drives and interface cards supported by Mach but to date they have been unsuccessful. My advice on how to proceed. First study a bit about EMC2 by downloading and building a PC with the Live CDROM. Start up emc2 and look around a bit at the Hardware Abstraction Layer. That install also gives you a couple of manuals that you can have a look at for further info. Second is to get yourself hooked into the comm networks, lists and ircs. Third remember that "we" are a collection of unpaid folk who are working here for mutual benefit. If all what you want to do is make chips using EMC2, you might consider hiring a consultant. If you choose the consultant path, a note here to that effect should get several interested folk. Rayh - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
[Emc-users] EMC Supported Boards and more
Hi all. Been looking a little into EMC2 and in the next week will be able to compare it to the software I currently use on the VMC (mach). I do really want to get away from Parallel ports and maybe even step/dir drives. I try not to use steppers under any circumstances. My biggest major project is my Hardinge HXL-S CNC lathe which has been a long battle to get as far as I have got with limited time available. I also have two gang tooled lathes in the queue. Anyways, had a quick look at the boards supported by EMC2 and it does seem that they are all passive devices ie not motion controllers per se as say a DeltaTau or Galil card would be. But rather convenient i/o cards. Do they offer performance advantages over the parallel port other than the additional i/o available? Is it likely that EMC2 will support so called intelligent motion controllers? Any intention to support external PLC's over modbus? What would the experienced emc2 guys here suggest as far as the type I should use for the lathe above as an example? Currently it has new servo motors (brushed) and drives (step/dir input) but the machine also needs a load more i/o for the other systems on the machine. It has a 1024 lpr encoder on the spindle which I would like to exploit rather than just an index signal. I know how I would do it with Mach, but emc2 is not quite the same ;) Regards Wayne. -- --- Wayne M Weedon Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fdos Design Poole UK Tel +44-1202-677025Fax +44-1202-770515 Mobile: 07774 439915 Specialists in small batch & Production Mechanical/Electrical Engineering --- - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
