Re: [Emc-users] Best write up ever?
2013/8/28 Ed Nisley ed.08.nis...@pobox.com On 08/27/2013 06:11 PM, Sven Wesley wrote: Amazingly well written. If ripping someone's blog posts in their entirety counts as flattery, then I'm honored by their LinuxCNC Touch Probe writeups: items 1, 3, and 4 in that section seemed *very* familiar. [grin] Compare: http://www.vdwalle.com/Norte/EMC2%20%20Ugliest%20Tool%20Length%20Probe%20Station.htm with: http://softsolder.com/2010/04/14/emc2-ugliest-tool-length-probe-station-ever/ On the other paw, link rot being what it is, that's a good way to ensure they've got the information where they need it, when they need it. A citation in keeping with the Creative Commons license for my blog content would have been a nice touch, though... You should contact them and point out that the pages are stolen. But link rot is a dead link. That's not the same. I think on the other hand they could afford to add a link (not rotten) to your page. -- Learn the latest--Visual Studio 2012, SharePoint 2013, SQL 2012, more! Discover the easy way to master current and previous Microsoft technologies and advance your career. Get an incredible 1,500+ hours of step-by-step tutorial videos with LearnDevNow. Subscribe today and save! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=58040911iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Best write up ever?
Compare: http://www.vdwalle.com/Norte/EMC2%20%20Ugliest%20Tool%20Length%20Probe%20Station.htm with: http://softsolder.com/2010/04/14/emc2-ugliest-tool-length-probe-station-ever/ On the other paw, link rot being what it is, that's a good way to ensure they've got the information where they need it, when they need it. A citation in keeping with the Creative Commons license for my blog content would have been a nice touch, though... hah, entire jogwheel-page copied from my blog also: http://www.vdwalle.com/Norte/Jogging%20EMC2.html Anders -- Learn the latest--Visual Studio 2012, SharePoint 2013, SQL 2012, more! Discover the easy way to master current and previous Microsoft technologies and advance your career. Get an incredible 1,500+ hours of step-by-step tutorial videos with LearnDevNow. Subscribe today and save! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=58040911iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Best write up ever?
On 28 August 2013 09:52, Anders Wallin anders.e.e.wal...@gmail.com wrote: hah, entire jogwheel-page copied from my blog also: http://www.vdwalle.com/Norte/Jogging%20EMC2.html And several pages are exact copies of the LinuxCNC Wiki. I am not sure how I feel about it, we do claim to embrace Open Source after all. -- atp If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto -- Learn the latest--Visual Studio 2012, SharePoint 2013, SQL 2012, more! Discover the easy way to master current and previous Microsoft technologies and advance your career. Get an incredible 1,500+ hours of step-by-step tutorial videos with LearnDevNow. Subscribe today and save! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=58040911iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Best write up ever?
As I see that page he has fully documented the build by copying all the references in to one place, I bet we all do something similar when we print pages out to use on a build/retrofit and keep them in a folder. His mistake in the open source world is missing the attributions. Dave On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 10:07 AM, andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com wrote: On 28 August 2013 09:52, Anders Wallin anders.e.e.wal...@gmail.com wrote: hah, entire jogwheel-page copied from my blog also: http://www.vdwalle.com/Norte/Jogging%20EMC2.html And several pages are exact copies of the LinuxCNC Wiki. I am not sure how I feel about it, we do claim to embrace Open Source after all. -- atp If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto -- Learn the latest--Visual Studio 2012, SharePoint 2013, SQL 2012, more! Discover the easy way to master current and previous Microsoft technologies and advance your career. Get an incredible 1,500+ hours of step-by-step tutorial videos with LearnDevNow. Subscribe today and save! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=58040911iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Learn the latest--Visual Studio 2012, SharePoint 2013, SQL 2012, more! Discover the easy way to master current and previous Microsoft technologies and advance your career. Get an incredible 1,500+ hours of step-by-step tutorial videos with LearnDevNow. Subscribe today and save! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=58040911iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Best write up ever?
2013/8/28 Dave Caroline dave.thearchiv...@gmail.com As I see that page he has fully documented the build by copying all the references in to one place, I bet we all do something similar when we print pages out to use on a build/retrofit and keep them in a folder. His mistake in the open source world is missing the attributions. Dave That's how I see it too. The attribution or real references are a small effort that gives great effect. -- Learn the latest--Visual Studio 2012, SharePoint 2013, SQL 2012, more! Discover the easy way to master current and previous Microsoft technologies and advance your career. Get an incredible 1,500+ hours of step-by-step tutorial videos with LearnDevNow. Subscribe today and save! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=58040911iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Best write up ever?
Gentle persons, (contributed by K. Reed) Please let's not get carried away, many people have contributed enormous time and effort and have done so silently. To take the trouble and write all the information of a retrofit into a single site is a lot of work but for many of us on the fringes it is really valuable information in a single place. I'm sure that most contributors will simply get a warm and fuzzy feeling when they see some of their work being used and be happy with that. While attributions are nice and a courtesy (necessary) we need to remember that the person who wrote these pages is not English speaking and I am sure that he would gladly acknowledge the origins but given that most of this was done over a period of time I am sure he forgot (like some of us do) where he found it all. Groeten, Bellisimo! -Original Message- From: Sven Wesley [mailto:svenne.d...@gmail.com] Sent: 28 August 2013 10:28 AM To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Best write up ever? 2013/8/28 Ed Nisley ed.08.nis...@pobox.com On 08/27/2013 06:11 PM, Sven Wesley wrote: Amazingly well written. If ripping someone's blog posts in their entirety counts as flattery, then I'm honored by their LinuxCNC Touch Probe writeups: items 1, 3, and 4 in that section seemed *very* familiar. [grin] Compare: http://www.vdwalle.com/Norte/EMC2%20%20Ugliest%20Tool%20Length%20Probe %20Station.htm with: http://softsolder.com/2010/04/14/emc2-ugliest-tool-length-probe-statio n-ever/ On the other paw, link rot being what it is, that's a good way to ensure they've got the information where they need it, when they need it. A citation in keeping with the Creative Commons license for my blog content would have been a nice touch, though... You should contact them and point out that the pages are stolen. But link rot is a dead link. That's not the same. I think on the other hand they could afford to add a link (not rotten) to your page. -- Learn the latest--Visual Studio 2012, SharePoint 2013, SQL 2012, more! Discover the easy way to master current and previous Microsoft technologies and advance your career. Get an incredible 1,500+ hours of step-by-step tutorial videos with LearnDevNow. Subscribe today and save! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=58040911iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Learn the latest--Visual Studio 2012, SharePoint 2013, SQL 2012, more! Discover the easy way to master current and previous Microsoft technologies and advance your career. Get an incredible 1,500+ hours of step-by-step tutorial videos with LearnDevNow. Subscribe today and save! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=58040911iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Best write up ever?
On 08/28/2013 04:27 AM, Sven Wesley wrote: But link rot is a dead link. That's what I mean: if they'd just put a link to the pages they ripped, when those pages go away, they've got link rot. Although I'm not planning to Go Away any time soon, they don't know that, which means ripping the content is the only way to keep the information around for their use. Not mad, slightly flattered, and pleased that they found my writeups useful... -- Ed softsolder.com -- Learn the latest--Visual Studio 2012, SharePoint 2013, SQL 2012, more! Discover the easy way to master current and previous Microsoft technologies and advance your career. Get an incredible 1,500+ hours of step-by-step tutorial videos with LearnDevNow. Subscribe today and save! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=58040911iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Best write up ever?
On 08/28/2013 05:07 AM, andy pugh wrote: we do claim to embrace Open Source after all. Or, perhaps, Free Software. The license terms differ significantly between the Open and Free models, but I know what you mean: standing on the shoulders of giants and all that. Me? I'm about a millimeter tall on that scale. In any case, though, the license terms make the concepts work properly. The good thing about the CC-BY-NC-SA license I use is that it keeps the information out there and lets you use it with attribution, but I'll admit I don't put that linky inside every source page: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/3.0/us/ Eh, you should see what spammers do with my text... [sigh] -- Ed softsolder.com -- Learn the latest--Visual Studio 2012, SharePoint 2013, SQL 2012, more! Discover the easy way to master current and previous Microsoft technologies and advance your career. Get an incredible 1,500+ hours of step-by-step tutorial videos with LearnDevNow. Subscribe today and save! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=58040911iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Best write up ever?
On Wednesday 28 August 2013 11:52:07 andy pugh did opine: On 28 August 2013 09:52, Anders Wallin anders.e.e.wal...@gmail.com wrote: hah, entire jogwheel-page copied from my blog also: http://www.vdwalle.com/Norte/Jogging%20EMC2.html And several pages are exact copies of the LinuxCNC Wiki. I am not sure how I feel about it, we do claim to embrace Open Source after all. True, Andy, but there is still copyright law in most locales, and the law here explicitly says to enforce it or lose it. Demand, in no uncertain terms, that such borrowed material either carries the original copyright notice and credits by borrowing the piece in its entirety which should include the applicable license, or be taken down. IMO every one of you with a dog/blog in this fight needs to do that. I think the law more than gives you folks the rights to do so. And linuxcnc will grow in stature when you do enforce the license you used. You will get the attention of some that perceive this as a bunch of amateurs whose code is not worth considering for professional quality work. I happen to dis-agree, but I'm still just an old fart using a toothpick to help row this boat. Cheers, Gene -- There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) My web page: http://coyoteden.dyndns-free.com:85/gene is up! My views http://www.armchairpatriot.com/What%20Has%20America%20Become.shtml Call on God, but row away from the rocks. -- Indian proverb A pen in the hand of this president is far more dangerous than 200 million guns in the hands of law-abiding citizens. -- Learn the latest--Visual Studio 2012, SharePoint 2013, SQL 2012, more! Discover the easy way to master current and previous Microsoft technologies and advance your career. Get an incredible 1,500+ hours of step-by-step tutorial videos with LearnDevNow. Subscribe today and save! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=58040911iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Best write up ever?
On Wednesday 28 August 2013 12:15:01 Dave Caroline did opine: As I see that page he has fully documented the build by copying all the references in to one place, I bet we all do something similar when we print pages out to use on a build/retrofit and keep them in a folder. His mistake in the open source world is missing the attributions. Dave Something that should not be ignored, ever. On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 10:07 AM, andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com wrote: On 28 August 2013 09:52, Anders Wallin anders.e.e.wal...@gmail.com wrote: hah, entire jogwheel-page copied from my blog also: http://www.vdwalle.com/Norte/Jogging%20EMC2.html And several pages are exact copies of the LinuxCNC Wiki. I am not sure how I feel about it, we do claim to embrace Open Source after all. -- atp If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto -- Learn the latest--Visual Studio 2012, SharePoint 2013, SQL 2012, more! Discover the easy way to master current and previous Microsoft technologies and advance your career. Get an incredible 1,500+ hours of step-by-step tutorial videos with LearnDevNow. Subscribe today and save! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=58040911iu=/4140/ostg.c lktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Learn the latest--Visual Studio 2012, SharePoint 2013, SQL 2012, more! Discover the easy way to master current and previous Microsoft technologies and advance your career. Get an incredible 1,500+ hours of step-by-step tutorial videos with LearnDevNow. Subscribe today and save! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=58040911iu=/4140/ostg.clk trk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users Cheers, Gene -- There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) My web page: http://coyoteden.dyndns-free.com:85/gene is up! My views http://www.armchairpatriot.com/What%20Has%20America%20Become.shtml There's a way out of any cage. -- Captain Christopher Pike, The Menagerie (The Cage), stardate unknown. A pen in the hand of this president is far more dangerous than 200 million guns in the hands of law-abiding citizens. -- Learn the latest--Visual Studio 2012, SharePoint 2013, SQL 2012, more! Discover the easy way to master current and previous Microsoft technologies and advance your career. Get an incredible 1,500+ hours of step-by-step tutorial videos with LearnDevNow. Subscribe today and save! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=58040911iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Best write up ever?
Very well said, Gene. +++ Anyone who believes exponential growth can go on forever in a finite world is either a madman or an economist. -Kenneth Boulding, economist “How unfortunate that the Earth’s first intelligent social animal is a tribal carnivore” -E.O. Wilson, sociobiologist From: Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 11:13 AM Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Best write up ever? On Wednesday 28 August 2013 11:52:07 andy pugh did opine: On 28 August 2013 09:52, Anders Wallin anders.e.e.wal...@gmail.com wrote: hah, entire jogwheel-page copied from my blog also: http://www.vdwalle.com/Norte/Jogging%20EMC2.html And several pages are exact copies of the LinuxCNC Wiki. I am not sure how I feel about it, we do claim to embrace Open Source after all. True, Andy, but there is still copyright law in most locales, and the law here explicitly says to enforce it or lose it. Demand, in no uncertain terms, that such borrowed material either carries the original copyright notice and credits by borrowing the piece in its entirety which should include the applicable license, or be taken down. IMO every one of you with a dog/blog in this fight needs to do that. I think the law more than gives you folks the rights to do so. And linuxcnc will grow in stature when you do enforce the license you used. You will get the attention of some that perceive this as a bunch of amateurs whose code is not worth considering for professional quality work. I happen to dis-agree, but I'm still just an old fart using a toothpick to help row this boat. Cheers, Gene -- There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) My web page: http://coyoteden.dyndns-free.com:85/gene is up! My views http://www.armchairpatriot.com/What%20Has%20America%20Become.shtml Call on God, but row away from the rocks. -- Indian proverb A pen in the hand of this president is far more dangerous than 200 million guns in the hands of law-abiding citizens. -- Learn the latest--Visual Studio 2012, SharePoint 2013, SQL 2012, more! Discover the easy way to master current and previous Microsoft technologies and advance your career. Get an incredible 1,500+ hours of step-by-step tutorial videos with LearnDevNow. Subscribe today and save! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=58040911iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Learn the latest--Visual Studio 2012, SharePoint 2013, SQL 2012, more! Discover the easy way to master current and previous Microsoft technologies and advance your career. Get an incredible 1,500+ hours of step-by-step tutorial videos with LearnDevNow. Subscribe today and save! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=58040911iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Best write up ever?
Den 28 aug 2013 18:19 skrev Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com: On Wednesday 28 August 2013 12:15:01 Dave Caroline did opine: ... His mistake in the open source world is missing the attributions. Dave Something that should not be ignored, ever. Ok, my view is pretty simple. If you post anything on the Internet it will be used/slashed/copied. If you can't afford a lawyer get used to it. How many of the copy rats cares about the license? Very few if not none. I watermarked images before but it took too much time, I write text on my tech blogs and I know they are being copied. What can I do about it? Not much, except not posting at all. I share because i believe in it so I will not stop. Do I post my content with a license? Not really, there's a note on the side that says you're free to link the images. i didn't change it when I skipped the water marking. I don't think that matters at all. If I post a code snippet or hardware related inventions I always go for the WTFPL license. Why? Because I'm probably not first doing and it _will_ be copied. On the other hand, if I copy a text I always link back or refer to the originating location and i try to tell the author as well. If the link goes rotten I have at least listed where it really came from. I agree that the author of the write up should have linked back or referred to the original author though. I didn't know that much was copied except for the LinuxCNC sites which is obviously copied, though there are some useful chapters written about the machine itself and there are few write ups about retro's. -- Learn the latest--Visual Studio 2012, SharePoint 2013, SQL 2012, more! Discover the easy way to master current and previous Microsoft technologies and advance your career. Get an incredible 1,500+ hours of step-by-step tutorial videos with LearnDevNow. Subscribe today and save! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=58040911iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Best write up ever?
On Wed, 8/28/13, Ed Nisley ed.08.nis...@pobox.com wrote: Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Best write up ever? To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Date: Wednesday, August 28, 2013, 6:40 AM On 08/28/2013 05:07 AM, andy pugh wrote: we do claim to embrace Open Source after all. Or, perhaps, Free Software. The license terms differ significantly between the Open and Free models, but I know what you mean: standing on the shoulders of giants and all that. Me? I'm about a millimeter tall on that scale. --- Whenever someone mentions standing on the shoulders of giants, it makes me think of this... http://www.schlockmercenary.com/2008-04-06 -- Learn the latest--Visual Studio 2012, SharePoint 2013, SQL 2012, more! Discover the easy way to master current and previous Microsoft technologies and advance your career. Get an incredible 1,500+ hours of step-by-step tutorial videos with LearnDevNow. Subscribe today and save! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=58040911iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Best write up ever?
Wow my little parallel port tester is famous... JT On 8/27/2013 5:11 PM, Sven Wesley wrote: I stumbled upon this web site. Amazingly well written. It was already added in the wiki but I've totally missed it. http://www.vdwalle.com/Norte/ /Sven -- Learn the latest--Visual Studio 2012, SharePoint 2013, SQL 2012, more! Discover the easy way to master current and previous Microsoft technologies and advance your career. Get an incredible 1,500+ hours of step-by-step tutorial videos with LearnDevNow. Subscribe today and save! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=58040911iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Learn the latest--Visual Studio 2012, SharePoint 2013, SQL 2012, more! Discover the easy way to master current and previous Microsoft technologies and advance your career. Get an incredible 1,500+ hours of step-by-step tutorial videos with LearnDevNow. Subscribe today and save! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=58040911iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Best write up ever?
On 08/27/2013 06:11 PM, Sven Wesley wrote: Amazingly well written. If ripping someone's blog posts in their entirety counts as flattery, then I'm honored by their LinuxCNC Touch Probe writeups: items 1, 3, and 4 in that section seemed *very* familiar. [grin] Compare: http://www.vdwalle.com/Norte/EMC2%20%20Ugliest%20Tool%20Length%20Probe%20Station.htm with: http://softsolder.com/2010/04/14/emc2-ugliest-tool-length-probe-station-ever/ On the other paw, link rot being what it is, that's a good way to ensure they've got the information where they need it, when they need it. A citation in keeping with the Creative Commons license for my blog content would have been a nice touch, though... -- Ed softsolder.com -- Learn the latest--Visual Studio 2012, SharePoint 2013, SQL 2012, more! Discover the easy way to master current and previous Microsoft technologies and advance your career. Get an incredible 1,500+ hours of step-by-step tutorial videos with LearnDevNow. Subscribe today and save! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=58040911iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
