Re: [Emc-users] looking for inexpensive modular encoder
On 7/16/2015 2:02 AM, Erik Christiansen wrote: On 15.07.15 08:44, Gene Heskett wrote: I'll put chromium back in to see if that works. Yes it works. So what the heck is blocking iceweasel? At the risk of being indelicate, I'd guess That's alimentary, Watson. My problems with iceweasel have only been with flashplayer, but this stuff does seem to be going steadily backwards. Apple declared Flash to be insecure and obsolete, so Adobe ended development of it on mobile systems and it's looking like they'll be killing it off soon for desktop systems sometime soon. Macromedia never should have sold out to Adobe. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -- Don't Limit Your Business. Reach for the Cloud. GigeNET's Cloud Solutions provide you with the tools and support that you need to offload your IT needs and focus on growing your business. Configured For All Businesses. Start Your Cloud Today. https://www.gigenetcloud.com/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] looking for inexpensive modular encoder
On Thursday 16 July 2015 04:02:43 Erik Christiansen wrote: On 15.07.15 08:44, Gene Heskett wrote: I'll put chromium back in to see if that works. Yes it works. So what the heck is blocking iceweasel? At the risk of being indelicate, I'd guess That's alimentary, Watson. ;-) My problems with iceweasel have only been with flashplayer, but this stuff does seem to be going steadily backwards. Erik I couldn't agree more. Cheers, Gene Heskett -- There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Genes Web page http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene -- Don't Limit Your Business. Reach for the Cloud. GigeNET's Cloud Solutions provide you with the tools and support that you need to offload your IT needs and focus on growing your business. Configured For All Businesses. Start Your Cloud Today. https://www.gigenetcloud.com/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] looking for inexpensive modular encoder
On 16.07.15 02:09, Gregg Eshelman wrote: On 7/16/2015 2:02 AM, Erik Christiansen wrote: My problems with iceweasel have only been with flashplayer, but this stuff does seem to be going steadily backwards. Apple declared Flash to be insecure and obsolete, so Adobe ended development of it on mobile systems and it's looking like they'll be killing it off soon for desktop systems sometime soon. Yes, that's flagged, AIUI. I'm having to click on a Use it anyway button on Debian 7.8.0, newly installed. So. yes, it looks precipitously downhill from here. Macromedia never should have sold out to Adobe. Yebbut, what on earth do we use when flashplayer won't cut it any more? Erik -- Don't Limit Your Business. Reach for the Cloud. GigeNET's Cloud Solutions provide you with the tools and support that you need to offload your IT needs and focus on growing your business. Configured For All Businesses. Start Your Cloud Today. https://www.gigenetcloud.com/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] looking for inexpensive modular encoder
On 15.07.15 08:44, Gene Heskett wrote: I'll put chromium back in to see if that works. Yes it works. So what the heck is blocking iceweasel? At the risk of being indelicate, I'd guess That's alimentary, Watson. My problems with iceweasel have only been with flashplayer, but this stuff does seem to be going steadily backwards. Erik -- Don't Limit Your Business. Reach for the Cloud. GigeNET's Cloud Solutions provide you with the tools and support that you need to offload your IT needs and focus on growing your business. Configured For All Businesses. Start Your Cloud Today. https://www.gigenetcloud.com/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] looking for inexpensive modular encoder
On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 6:39 AM, Erik Christiansen dva...@internode.on.net wrote: Yebbut, what on earth do we use when flashplayer won't cut it any more? HTML5 replaces Flash for the most part. -- Don't Limit Your Business. Reach for the Cloud. GigeNET's Cloud Solutions provide you with the tools and support that you need to offload your IT needs and focus on growing your business. Configured For All Businesses. Start Your Cloud Today. https://www.gigenetcloud.com/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] looking for inexpensive modular encoder
On 15.07.15 00:47, Gene Heskett wrote: On Tuesday 14 July 2015 23:34:25 Pete Matos wrote: http://www.cui.com/catalog/components/encoders/incremental/modular will these work? I'd like to look at this stuff Pete, but my iceweasel, when I click on save link as, does not download the pdf, but the html wrapper code. Is this an iceweasel screwup, or the web site's mimetyping? That seems to be correct, it is text/html. But no .pdf is forthcoming. Tried it with iceweasel on Debian 7.8.0 just now: Went to one of the products on that page, i.e.: http://www.cui.com/product/components/encoders/incremental/modular/amt11-series There I clicked on the (top right) PDF datasheet clicky-whatsit. Downloading took a long time for its small size, but an Open Menu - Save Page in iceweasel then promptly saved the pdf in the Downloads directory. Mebbe it's your 30°C which doesn't suit an iceweasel, Gene. :) (It's the 98% humidity which is the keep-off-the-mower parameter, though. We don't much mind 40°C (104°F) here in Oz, but there's no humidity to speak of then, except for the water you splash on ya shirt to stay functional if you're doing anything resembling work.) Erik -- At the moment Greenland is rising in some places by three centimeters per year, but the speed is accelerating. If the whole icelayer disappears, Greenland will rise by about one kilometer. - My translation of a paragraph in http://jyllands-posten.dk/nyviden/article4775333.ece -- Don't Limit Your Business. Reach for the Cloud. GigeNET's Cloud Solutions provide you with the tools and support that you need to offload your IT needs and focus on growing your business. Configured For All Businesses. Start Your Cloud Today. https://www.gigenetcloud.com/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] looking for inexpensive modular encoder
On 07/14/2015 10:34 PM, Pete Matos wrote: http://www.cui.com/catalog/components/encoders/incremental/modular will these work? They do work, but have a significant lag under acceleration. This lag can be up to 5 ms, then the velocity overshoots badly so that the position can catch up. Take a look at : http://pico-systems.com/images/compare_encoders.png and http://pico-systems.com/images/compare_encoder2.png In these traces, the red line is the CUI encoder, and the white line is a HEDS optical encoder, set to appropriate gains so the traces match. One picture seems to show the lag better, the other seems to show the different peak velocities better. Anyway, it makes servo tuning a bit difficult with this behavior. Jon -- Don't Limit Your Business. Reach for the Cloud. GigeNET's Cloud Solutions provide you with the tools and support that you need to offload your IT needs and focus on growing your business. Configured For All Businesses. Start Your Cloud Today. https://www.gigenetcloud.com/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] looking for inexpensive modular encoder
So you have a few spares on the shelf! ;-) Dave On 7/15/2015 11:21 AM, Ken Strauss wrote: The site says Minimum order quantity: 280 . I don't have that many mills! -Original Message- From: andy pugh [mailto:bodge...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 10:46 AM To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) Subject: Re: [Emc-users] looking for inexpensive modular encoder On 14 July 2015 at 18:37, Jon Elson el...@pico-systems.com wrote: Thanks for any pointers, http://www.newark.com/avago-technologies/aeat-6012-a06/rotary-encoder- 12000rpm/dp/51M7114?ost=AEAT-6012 Is absolute and serial output (which is actually ideal for a brushless motor). The Avago website is blocked from work, so I can't check if they do the same thing in ABZ. -- atp If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto -- Don't Limit Your Business. Reach for the Cloud. GigeNET's Cloud Solutions provide you with the tools and support that you need to offload your IT needs and focus on growing your business. Configured For All Businesses. Start Your Cloud Today. https://www.gigenetcloud.com/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Don't Limit Your Business. Reach for the Cloud. GigeNET's Cloud Solutions provide you with the tools and support that you need to offload your IT needs and focus on growing your business. Configured For All Businesses. Start Your Cloud Today. https://www.gigenetcloud.com/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -- Don't Limit Your Business. Reach for the Cloud. GigeNET's Cloud Solutions provide you with the tools and support that you need to offload your IT needs and focus on growing your business. Configured For All Businesses. Start Your Cloud Today. https://www.gigenetcloud.com/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] looking for inexpensive modular encoder
On 15 July 2015 at 17:21, Ken Strauss ken.stra...@sympatico.ca wrote: The site says Minimum order quantity: 280 . So it does. That's what I get from trying to US-ify a link. This is where I started off from: http://uk.farnell.com/avago-technologies/aeat-6010-a06/encoder-magnetic-10bit-12000rpm/dp/2467467 Where the price is £17 and minimum order is 1. -- atp If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto -- Don't Limit Your Business. Reach for the Cloud. GigeNET's Cloud Solutions provide you with the tools and support that you need to offload your IT needs and focus on growing your business. Configured For All Businesses. Start Your Cloud Today. https://www.gigenetcloud.com/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] looking for inexpensive modular encoder
I forgot to mention I had those AMT encoders on my RF45 cnc mill. I must say that they seemed to work very well. Most remarably once I had built some nice aluminum enclosures for the encoders and had the wires running thru surgical tubing to protect them in the full flood coolant environment. well one day I removed the screwed on cover to adjust the encoder count which is adjustable on these and I failed to properly seal the enclosure. The X axis started acting funny and I did not realize why until I opened up that cover again only to find the encoder was taking a bath in coolant (GASP!!) I took it out, cleaned and blew compressed air across it for awhile, and ordered another one. In the mean time once it was fully dry I tried it again to see if the problem went away. It did indeed go away and the axis worked as it did when new.. I received the new encoder a few days later and went ahead and replaced it anyways but the machine ran for almost a week daily with the encoder that went swimming... just saying!! LOL Pete On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 11:35 AM, andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com wrote: On 15 July 2015 at 17:21, Ken Strauss ken.stra...@sympatico.ca wrote: The site says Minimum order quantity: 280 . So it does. That's what I get from trying to US-ify a link. This is where I started off from: http://uk.farnell.com/avago-technologies/aeat-6010-a06/encoder-magnetic-10bit-12000rpm/dp/2467467 Where the price is £17 and minimum order is 1. -- atp If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto -- Don't Limit Your Business. Reach for the Cloud. GigeNET's Cloud Solutions provide you with the tools and support that you need to offload your IT needs and focus on growing your business. Configured For All Businesses. Start Your Cloud Today. https://www.gigenetcloud.com/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Pete Matos A and N Precision and Fabrication Maryville, Tennessee 865-236-8996 -- Don't Limit Your Business. Reach for the Cloud. GigeNET's Cloud Solutions provide you with the tools and support that you need to offload your IT needs and focus on growing your business. Configured For All Businesses. Start Your Cloud Today. https://www.gigenetcloud.com/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] looking for inexpensive modular encoder
On 14 July 2015 at 18:37, Jon Elson el...@pico-systems.com wrote: Thanks for any pointers, http://www.newark.com/avago-technologies/aeat-6012-a06/rotary-encoder-12000rpm/dp/51M7114?ost=AEAT-6012 Is absolute and serial output (which is actually ideal for a brushless motor). The Avago website is blocked from work, so I can't check if they do the same thing in ABZ. -- atp If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto -- Don't Limit Your Business. Reach for the Cloud. GigeNET's Cloud Solutions provide you with the tools and support that you need to offload your IT needs and focus on growing your business. Configured For All Businesses. Start Your Cloud Today. https://www.gigenetcloud.com/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] looking for inexpensive modular encoder
The site says Minimum order quantity: 280 . I don't have that many mills! -Original Message- From: andy pugh [mailto:bodge...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 10:46 AM To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) Subject: Re: [Emc-users] looking for inexpensive modular encoder On 14 July 2015 at 18:37, Jon Elson el...@pico-systems.com wrote: Thanks for any pointers, http://www.newark.com/avago-technologies/aeat-6012-a06/rotary-encoder- 12000rpm/dp/51M7114?ost=AEAT-6012 Is absolute and serial output (which is actually ideal for a brushless motor). The Avago website is blocked from work, so I can't check if they do the same thing in ABZ. -- atp If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto -- Don't Limit Your Business. Reach for the Cloud. GigeNET's Cloud Solutions provide you with the tools and support that you need to offload your IT needs and focus on growing your business. Configured For All Businesses. Start Your Cloud Today. https://www.gigenetcloud.com/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Don't Limit Your Business. Reach for the Cloud. GigeNET's Cloud Solutions provide you with the tools and support that you need to offload your IT needs and focus on growing your business. Configured For All Businesses. Start Your Cloud Today. https://www.gigenetcloud.com/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] looking for inexpensive modular encoder
I'm not actually answering your question; but have you looked at the shaft encoders on Ebay recently? There were some $15 units the last time I looked. It might make sense to adapt to some of those? $43 seems like a lot of money for the modular units considering what is delivered. Dave On 7/14/2015 12:37 PM, Jon Elson wrote: hello, all, I've been selling some Automation tech brushless DC motors with encoders to go with my servo amps. Lately I've been using HEDS-5640#A06 encoders from Avnet, which are the highest resolution I can get with a 1/4 shaft. There used to be inexpensive alternates from US Digital and Renco, but these are now MORE expensive than the Avago HEDS units. I know about the CUI AMT series, but have a few quibbles about them due to mechanical fit and acceleration lag. Does anybody know of another source of these modular encoders that are less than $43 in small quantity? I might not even mind buying on Ali baba if somebody has a seller that supplies a good part with good service. When I say modular encoder, I'm thinking of a unit that has a plastic plate that is mounted to the motor end plate, then the encoder slides onto the motor shaft and snaps onto the plate, and the encoder disc is secured with a tiny hex wrench. Thanks for any pointers, Jon -- Don't Limit Your Business. Reach for the Cloud. GigeNET's Cloud Solutions provide you with the tools and support that you need to offload your IT needs and focus on growing your business. Configured For All Businesses. Start Your Cloud Today. https://www.gigenetcloud.com/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -- Don't Limit Your Business. Reach for the Cloud. GigeNET's Cloud Solutions provide you with the tools and support that you need to offload your IT needs and focus on growing your business. Configured For All Businesses. Start Your Cloud Today. https://www.gigenetcloud.com/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] looking for inexpensive modular encoder
On 07/14/2015 11:59 AM, Dave Cole wrote: I'm not actually answering your question; but have you looked at the shaft encoders on Ebay recently? There were some $15 units the last time I looked. It might make sense to adapt to some of those? $43 seems like a lot of money for the modular units considering what is delivered. I can't use eBay items in a product I sell on my web site. What I'm looking for is a 1000 cycle/rev encoder with index that fits on a 1/4 motor shaft. For some odd reason, the Avago part cannot be had in 1000 cycle/rev with the 1/4 shaft, although a number of other resolutions are available. Renco and US Digital used to have such items, but they are now over $74 each. CUI is definitely cheaper, but has a few features I don't like. Jon -- Don't Limit Your Business. Reach for the Cloud. GigeNET's Cloud Solutions provide you with the tools and support that you need to offload your IT needs and focus on growing your business. Configured For All Businesses. Start Your Cloud Today. https://www.gigenetcloud.com/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] looking for inexpensive modular encoder
http://www.cui.com/catalog/components/encoders/incremental/modular will these work? On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 11:22 PM, Jon Elson el...@pico-systems.com wrote: On 07/14/2015 09:45 PM, Kirk Wallace wrote: I used to be a fan of USD. I made my lathe encoders using their 2 disks and sensors and they are still working well. http://www.wallacecompany.com/cnc_lathe/HNC/1-1a.jpg I still like the idea of using disks and sensors and making the rest but it's not nearly as cheap as it used to be. 1 Disk, 1000 CPR = $9 @ 50 qty Sensor = $25 @ 50 qty Then come up with housings = $? Yes, this is the problem, housings. The HEDS are a nice little package, relatively dust-proof, just snaps together once you mount the mounting plate to the motor, I can put it on in about a minute per unit. I don't want to be making housings or any other special stuff. I sell these motor/encoder units just to help move along my servo amps. Jon -- Don't Limit Your Business. Reach for the Cloud. GigeNET's Cloud Solutions provide you with the tools and support that you need to offload your IT needs and focus on growing your business. Configured For All Businesses. Start Your Cloud Today. https://www.gigenetcloud.com/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Pete Matos A and N Precision and Fabrication Maryville, Tennessee 865-236-8996 -- Don't Limit Your Business. Reach for the Cloud. GigeNET's Cloud Solutions provide you with the tools and support that you need to offload your IT needs and focus on growing your business. Configured For All Businesses. Start Your Cloud Today. https://www.gigenetcloud.com/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] looking for inexpensive modular encoder
On 07/14/2015 06:41 PM, Jon Elson wrote: What I'm looking for is a 1000 cycle/rev encoder with index that fits on a 1/4 motor shaft. For some odd reason, the Avago part cannot be had in 1000 cycle/rev with the 1/4 shaft, although a number of other resolutions are available. Renco and US Digital used to have such items, but they are now over $74 each. I used to be a fan of USD. I made my lathe encoders using their 2 disks and sensors and they are still working well. http://www.wallacecompany.com/cnc_lathe/HNC/1-1a.jpg I still like the idea of using disks and sensors and making the rest but it's not nearly as cheap as it used to be. 1 Disk, 1000 CPR = $9 @ 50 qty Sensor = $25 @ 50 qty Then come up with housings = $? -- Kirk Wallace http://www.wallacecompany.com/machine_shop/ http://www.wallacecompany.com/E45/ -- Don't Limit Your Business. Reach for the Cloud. GigeNET's Cloud Solutions provide you with the tools and support that you need to offload your IT needs and focus on growing your business. Configured For All Businesses. Start Your Cloud Today. https://www.gigenetcloud.com/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] looking for inexpensive modular encoder
On 07/14/2015 09:45 PM, Kirk Wallace wrote: I used to be a fan of USD. I made my lathe encoders using their 2 disks and sensors and they are still working well. http://www.wallacecompany.com/cnc_lathe/HNC/1-1a.jpg I still like the idea of using disks and sensors and making the rest but it's not nearly as cheap as it used to be. 1 Disk, 1000 CPR = $9 @ 50 qty Sensor = $25 @ 50 qty Then come up with housings = $? Yes, this is the problem, housings. The HEDS are a nice little package, relatively dust-proof, just snaps together once you mount the mounting plate to the motor, I can put it on in about a minute per unit. I don't want to be making housings or any other special stuff. I sell these motor/encoder units just to help move along my servo amps. Jon -- Don't Limit Your Business. Reach for the Cloud. GigeNET's Cloud Solutions provide you with the tools and support that you need to offload your IT needs and focus on growing your business. Configured For All Businesses. Start Your Cloud Today. https://www.gigenetcloud.com/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] looking for inexpensive modular encoder
On 7/14/2015 9:41 PM, Jon Elson wrote: On 07/14/2015 11:59 AM, Dave Cole wrote: I'm not actually answering your question; but have you looked at the shaft encoders on Ebay recently? There were some $15 units the last time I looked. It might make sense to adapt to some of those? $43 seems like a lot of money for the modular units considering what is delivered. I can't use eBay items in a product I sell on my web site. What I'm looking for is a 1000 cycle/rev encoder with index that fits on a 1/4 motor shaft. For some odd reason, the Avago part cannot be had in 1000 cycle/rev with the 1/4 shaft, although a number of other resolutions are available. Renco and US Digital used to have such items, but they are now over $74 each. CUI is definitely cheaper, but has a few features I don't like. Jon I don't know what happened to US Digital. Didn't they use to advertise a $25 encoder at one time? Many of those Chinese Ebay sellers sell product that is also available on Alibaba. My point is that if they can sell it for $15 for a shaft encoder you should be able to do as well or better via Alibaba. Dave --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -- Don't Limit Your Business. Reach for the Cloud. GigeNET's Cloud Solutions provide you with the tools and support that you need to offload your IT needs and focus on growing your business. Configured For All Businesses. Start Your Cloud Today. https://www.gigenetcloud.com/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] looking for inexpensive modular encoder
On Tuesday 14 July 2015 23:34:25 Pete Matos wrote: http://www.cui.com/catalog/components/encoders/incremental/modular will these work? I'd like to look at this stuff Pete, but my iceweasel, when I click on save link as, does not download the pdf, but the html wrapper code. Is this an iceweasel screwup, or the web site's mimetyping? That seems to be correct, it is text/html. But no .pdf is forthcoming. I just tried konquerer, and it cannot even load the link above. On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 11:22 PM, Jon Elson el...@pico-systems.com wrote: On 07/14/2015 09:45 PM, Kirk Wallace wrote: I used to be a fan of USD. I made my lathe encoders using their 2 disks and sensors and they are still working well. http://www.wallacecompany.com/cnc_lathe/HNC/1-1a.jpg I still like the idea of using disks and sensors and making the rest but it's not nearly as cheap as it used to be. 1 Disk, 1000 CPR = $9 @ 50 qty Sensor = $25 @ 50 qty Then come up with housings = $? Yes, this is the problem, housings. The HEDS are a nice little package, relatively dust-proof, just snaps together once you mount the mounting plate to the motor, I can put it on in about a minute per unit. I don't want to be making housings or any other special stuff. I sell these motor/encoder units just to help move along my servo amps. Jon -- Don't Limit Your Business. Reach for the Cloud. GigeNET's Cloud Solutions provide you with the tools and support that you need to offload your IT needs and focus on growing your business. Configured For All Businesses. Start Your Cloud Today. https://www.gigenetcloud.com/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users Cheers, Gene Heskett -- There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Genes Web page http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene -- Don't Limit Your Business. Reach for the Cloud. GigeNET's Cloud Solutions provide you with the tools and support that you need to offload your IT needs and focus on growing your business. Configured For All Businesses. Start Your Cloud Today. https://www.gigenetcloud.com/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users