[-empyre-] The New Aesthetic - questions and conclusions
Since my last received post was on the 13th (and I apologize for not driving the conversation harder), I am a little dismayed at the dead air. Therefore i would like to aks a few questions to hopefully drive a closing discussion about NA this month, and get ready for October. The first is whether the New Aesthetic is empty to the point where it does not drive a substantial discussion. In image board terms, is it a movement that consists mainly of a Oh, this looks cool, so I'll just leave it here mentality, or does it represent an ephemerality of culture where movements are as ephemeral as the medium? Also, I want to ask where people see NA going, if anywhere. Will that be dependednt on the development of technologies, or human reflections upon them? I am off to SLSA; I will eb monitoring from there. Best, Patrick. ___ empyre forum empyre@lists.cofa.unsw.edu.au http://www.subtle.net/empyre
Re: [-empyre-] The New Aesthetic - questions and conclusions
Has the discussion also addressed the reaction of theorists and curators to the phenomenon surrounding the NA artefact? Why is it largely defensive, land grabbing, and sometimes aggressive against James Bridle? It might even be considered to *be the phenomenon* and of interest on its own terms. I state that as someone now removed from the arts scene and watching from the outside and these issues seem to be the most interesting as an 'outside observer'. Sorry if I missed that part of the conversation if it is been had already. I just pip in out of Empyre to check in and haven't read the archives for this conversation in detail. adam On 09/28/2012 03:25 PM, Lichty, Patrick wrote: Since my last received post was on the 13th (and I apologize for not driving the conversation harder), I am a little dismayed at the dead air. Therefore i would like to aks a few questions to hopefully drive a closing discussion about NA this month, and get ready for October. The first is whether the New Aesthetic is empty to the point where it does not drive a substantial discussion. In image board terms, is it a movement that consists mainly of a Oh, this looks cool, so I'll just leave it here mentality, or does it represent an ephemerality of culture where movements are as ephemeral as the medium? Also, I want to ask where people see NA going, if anywhere. Will that be dependednt on the development of technologies, or human reflections upon them? I am off to SLSA; I will eb monitoring from there. Best, Patrick. ___ empyre forum empyre@lists.cofa.unsw.edu.au http://www.subtle.net/empyre -- -- Adam Hyde Founder, FLOSS Manuals Project Manager, Booki Book Sprint Facilitator mobile :+ 49 177 4935122 identi.ca : @eset booki.flossmanuals.net : @adam http://www.flossmanuals.net http://www.booki.cc http://www.booksprints.net ___ empyre forum empyre@lists.cofa.unsw.edu.au http://www.subtle.net/empyre
Re: [-empyre-] The New Aesthetic - questions and conclusions
A curator here in New York is trying to reconstitute the early pre- web artist bbs's such as ArtNetWeb, thing bbs and rhizome. He wants to also use the original machines and have the archives available on the web for research. He's also asking for very early internet works that depend on netscape 1.0. Seems to me, there is now an effort to understand the New Aesthetics and begin to sort out it's starting points. I would say that right at the beginning when everyone in the 90's started picking up computers and using the web there were several definable strains of aesthetics. here's a partial list, 3D objects and worlds, chat and social software, surveillance and privacy, web sites (as publications or interactive works), sound art, video on the web and digital video. Digital photography is in there but it seems to be wrapped up in the other forms. Then there is interactive art, human and machine interface, open source and hacking community. Let's not forget the computer vision crowd, virtual world and online theater. This keeps on being added to and refined. For example the first online 3D code was VRML that sort of petered out and is now wrapped into Augmented Reality. Anyway all these aesthetic currents are constantly evolving and are very exciting as a new language. It is just then beginning of an ontology so we don't know where it might lead. We do know that the modernist/ post-modernist discourse is pretty much played out and really boring. On Sep 28, 2012, at 9:25 AM, Lichty, Patrick wrote: Also, I want to ask where people see NA going, if anywhere. Will that be dependednt on the development of technologies, or human reflections upon them? ___ empyre forum empyre@lists.cofa.unsw.edu.au http://www.subtle.net/empyre
Re: [-empyre-] The New Aesthetic - questions and conclusions
I think NA so far is more acknowledgement than movement, more curation than active construction. What would it take to transform NA from passive to active force? Or does it make more sense to look for activist forces to emerge? Jon Lebkowsky Polycot Associates http://polycotassociates.com (Sent from my iPhone) On Sep 28, 2012, at 8:25 AM, Lichty, Patrick plic...@colum.edu wrote: Since my last received post was on the 13th (and I apologize for not driving the conversation harder), I am a little dismayed at the dead air. Therefore i would like to aks a few questions to hopefully drive a closing discussion about NA this month, and get ready for October. The first is whether the New Aesthetic is empty to the point where it does not drive a substantial discussion. In image board terms, is it a movement that consists mainly of a Oh, this looks cool, so I'll just leave it here mentality, or does it represent an ephemerality of culture where movements are as ephemeral as the medium? Also, I want to ask where people see NA going, if anywhere. Will that be dependednt on the development of technologies, or human reflections upon them? I am off to SLSA; I will eb monitoring from there. Best, Patrick. ___ empyre forum empyre@lists.cofa.unsw.edu.au http://www.subtle.net/empyre ___ empyre forum empyre@lists.cofa.unsw.edu.au http://www.subtle.net/empyre
