Re: Section from "What's New in Fedora 28 Workstation?" article for Fedora Magazine

2018-04-24 Thread Link Dupont 
I've created a Gitlab issue to track the status of drafting this
article.

https://gitlab.gnome.org/Community/Engagement/Social-Media-and-PR/issue
s/14

On Mon, 2018-04-23 at 21:56 -0700, Link Dupont wrote:
> Thanks for your feedback everyone! I spent some time rewriting the
> article, and it has expanded into a much larger piece. I will
> probably
> be writing this as a separate article, or at least as a part of a
> larger article about GNOME.
> 
> Considering the size, I drafted it in a wiki page instead of a paste
> in
> an email.
> 
> https://wiki.gnome.org/LinkDupont/FilesDesktopIcons
> 
> I feel like the larger format was necessary to explain the scenario
> in
> more detail.
> 
> On Mon, 2018-04-23 at 07:10 -0700, Link Dupont wrote:
> > Thank you, that makes a ton of sense. I'll see what I can create
> > for
> > a
> > second draft.
> > 
> > Link
> > 
> > On Mon, 2018-04-23 at 09:42 +0100, Allan Day wrote:
> > > Thanks for reaching out about this, Link. I know from experience
> > > that
> > > writing about contentious decisions can be tricky to get right.
> > > 
> > > Liam R. E. Quin  wrote:
> > > ...
> > > > Remember that the only people made happy by removing features
> > > > generally
> > > > are developers...
> > > 
> > > I agree with Liam here. Introducing features that users
> > > appreciate
> > > as
> > > "technical debt" is only going to irritate them.
> > > 
> > > My suggestion would be to:
> > > 
> > >   1. Start with a more positive, user-centered, narrative: how
> > > the
> > > Nautilus developers are working to improve the experience for
> > > users.
> > > What they've done recently to do that, what they're planning to
> > > do.
> > >   2. The current draft makes the removal sound like an
> > > implementation
> > > failure rather than a technical design question. I think it's
> > > important to explain it in terms of the intrinsic nature of icons
> > > on
> > > the desktop - it's a very different file browsing experience.
> > >   3. Stress that the Nautilus developers do care about those who
> > > use
> > > icons on the desktop. Emphasise that alternatives have been
> > > considered. Argue that the people using those alternatives is a
> > > better
> > > option for them and for everyone as the code base moves forward.
> > > 
> > > Allan
> > 
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Meeting Minutes - 04/24/2018

2018-04-24 Thread Oliver Propst 
== Attendees ==
* Nuritzi
* Neil
* Oliver
* Michael
* Rosanna
* Link
* Jose Pedro Rodriguez

== Roles ==
* Chair: Nuritzi
* Secretary: Michael
* PM: LInk (GitLab issues) and Oliver (Wiki & ML)

== Agenda ==
 * GUADEC 2019 Call for bids timing (Nuritzi)
 * GNOME in Peru update (Nuritzi)
 * Newcomer tasks for Engagement team on GitLab (Nuritzi)
 * Engagement blog items (Nuritzi)
 * GUADEC 2017 newcomers activities ideas (Nuritzi)
*  fossnorth 2018 (oliverp)

== Notes ==

=== GUADEC CfB ===
* Questions about timing
  * Announcement last week
  * Deadline is may 6
  * Currently also posting 2018 CfP
* Will waiting to announce the call for bids cause a problem?
  * Deadline will be only a week after the announcement if we do
  * Putting the call  out early was meant to give people more time to put
bids together
* Calls for bids and calls for papers attract different audiences
  * Concern is that those difference audiences will be confused between the
two

Suggestion: Include discussion of CfB in the CfP posts
ACTION: Nuritzi to publish CfB post: TODO
ACTION: Nuritzi to reach out to Lyon team to re-bid: TODO

=== GNOME in Peru ===
* Julita is in the USA for a time
* Still people interested in promoting GNOME in Peru
* FLISOL coming up, 17 events in Peru
  * Requested up to $500 to fund those events (swag items + shipping)
* Up to the marketing funds holder
* Questions about doing this as a pre-payment
  * Just need them to send receipts afterwards to show how the money
was spent
  * Trying to arrange for 2 presentations via video conference as these
events
* Want to setup a swag center in Peru to support the local community
  * Stickers sent to Jose Antonio Rey in Lima for local redistribution
* Not enough time to get those out for FLISOL

DECIDED: Approved $500 for FLISOL events in peru
ACTION: Nuritzi to get Transferwise info from the FLISOL organizers to send
them the money: TODO

=== SWAG centers ===
* Carlos needs somebody who can go with him to the post offices
  * Wants to know if anybody else in Europe wants to be a swag center
  * Oliver might be willing, needs to know what would be required
* Concern about Sweden not being very central
* People are requesting swag both via email and GitLab, should concentrate
that one just one
ACTION: Nuritzi to reach out to Bastian about being a swag center: TODO

=== Engagement newcomer tasks ===
* Some people have joined recently wanting to do things, but didn't know
what to do
  * Suggestion: We could have them contribute social media posts or draft
texts for requested posts, or review draft text
  * Suggestion: Tag gitlab tasks as 'newcomer-friendly' on the Engagement
issue board
  * Suggestion: Find newcomer-friendly web development tasks for them to
contribute to


=== Engagement blog ===
* Oliver working on items for the blog
  * https://gitlab.gnome.org/Community/Engagement/Social-
Media-and-PR/issues/5
  * https://gitlab.gnome.org/Community/Engagement/Social-
Media-and-PR/issues/6
  * Would like somebody to review the texts before publishing
  * Suggestion: Ask newcomers to review
* Not sure how long that will take, do we want to wait for that to
happen or publish asap?
  * Nuritzi knows a newcomer who might be willing to review, but without
access to the WP-Admin she can't see the text
  * Suggestion: Write drafts in etherpad or the wiki so that more people
can review it
  * Engagement blog is maybe not an ideal place for long posts
* Suggestion: Reducing the size of posts to fit better on the
engagement blog
  * Suggestion: We should promote FLISOL events on the engagement blog
  * We should get more people writing on the blog in order to cover all the
desired topics
* Fedora magazine has a core group f editors who propose topics and
recruit writers (include how-to instructiosn for newcomers)
* https://fedoramagazine.org/writing-an-article-for-the-
fedora-magazine/
* Concern: Scope of Engagement blog is much narrower than Fedora
magazine
  * Suggested schedule:
  * Posting GUADEC CfB today
  * Post Pulse Audio next monday
  * Post China release parties next wednesday
ACTION: Oliver to copy draft text into an etherpad so it can be reviewed:
TODO
ACTION: Oliver to email , a newcomer who has expressed interest
in helping review posts: TODO
ACTION: Link to review engagement blog post about release parties in China:
TODO
ACTION: Oliver to propose a posting schedule for articles on the blog: TODO

=== GUADEC newcomer activities ===
* We've been trying to organize newcomers lunch on the first day to let
newcomers meet core contributors
* Suggestion: A buddy system (big-buddy/little-buddy)
* Suggestion: Assign lunch-groups with a small mix of people
* Suggestion: Scavenger hunt or Bingo where you find people who meet a
certain criteria
* Suggestion: Make it easier to know how to get to the venue
  * Document train/bus routes, tickets and stops
  * Organize groups of people arriving at the same time to travel

Re: Itsfoss.com offer to be a media partner, travel and when will the CFP be open.

2018-04-24 Thread shirish शिरीष 
On 21/04/2018, shirish शिरीष  wrote:



>
> For doing so, while itsfoss.com isn't asking for any monetary compensation,
> I am and have asked for a partial travel sponsorship/bursary which will
> help recover some of the travel expenses, that comes to around USD800 for one
> way economy ticket from India to Taiwan . I have kept a bit of overhead as
> flight ticket prices be tricky to negotiate and the month I'll be traveling
> is travel season as far as India is concerned.
>
> While I've not contributed to GNOME in any meaningful way apart from
> putting up few bugs, commenting etc. I have been a free software
> advocate for more than a decade.
>
> Disclaimer - I do use mate though as it reminds me of gnome 2.0 and
> somehow that has been forever etched in my heart. I do know the
> reasons why GNOME has taken the new route though.
>
> As shared above, I am based in India and would like to be part of GNOME Asia
> if possible to cover GNOME on the two days.
>
> I was part of Debconf 2016
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-sqZFAkGxk
>
> and have again put few proposals for debconf this year as well.
>
> https://debconf18.debconf.org/
>
> Here are list of my contributions in free software world so far -
>
> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?submitter=shirisha...@gmail.com
>
> Have coordinated, participated in workshops about debian all over
> India since a decade and more.
>
> https://flossexperiences.wordpress.com/tag/debian/
> https://flossexperiences.wordpress.com/tag/events/
> https://flossexperiences.wordpress.com/tag/debutsav/
> https://flossexperiences.wordpress.com/tag/debconfindia/
> https://flossexperiences.wordpress.com/tag/events/
>
> https://itsfoss.com/author/shirish/ (journalist here but more for newbie
> crowd) https://github.com/shirishag75 - upstream github contributions.(mostly
> tickets though of softwares I use) ,
>
> I have done few in mercurial and other VCS`s as well but nothing
> notable though.
>
> Another thing I wish to share. I had tried to hold a GNOME release party
> with couple of colleges in 2011 (GNOME 3.0) but was unable to hold due to
> the controversies surrounding the release (basically that it was a memory
> hog and lot of incompatible changes from GNOME 2.0)
>
> https://wiki.gnome.org/ThreePointZero/LaunchParty/India/Pune
>
> In the college's defense, most colleges don't really have a full-time
> sys-admin or even if they have, (s)he's not paid properly, nor are her(is) 
> needs
> for a proper hardware maintenance let alone have an  upgrade policy are there.
>
> I did distribute the buttons and swag at different events in and around Pune.
>
> And with the last few years, in most colleges VM's and containers are now a 
> standard way to operate things.

The thing is, most of the times the VM themselves are either
configured shoddily or the hardware specs. allocated to the colleges
labs. are not in tune with the requirements
of having a VM in the first place. Add to that most experiments are
now mandated to be done in the VM space to reduce sysadmin overhead.

>
> I dunno if the engagement-list is the best place or not to have these kind
> of  discussions, but at least can give a shout-out as to how things are here.
>

I do have another query  however,

I have looked at some potential topics for an RFP but dunno whether they would
be suitable for GNOME or not,  some may be more in the privacy userspace
while others may be more in usability area.

Is there possibility to connect with somebody once the CFP to open to fine-tune
or/and talk about topics I hop to propose in a secure manner.

I do understand that talking/discussing topics, their relevancy etc.
does not mean
that the talk itself would be approved but might just give me some idea on the
relevancy of what I propose or how I can change it to fit better with GNOME's
norms.

I do not know if such a resource exists.

> Looking forward to know more.
>

-- 
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  Shirish Agarwal  शिरीष अग्रवाल
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