Re: [Enigmail] gpg-agent and gnome keyring
Hi Patrick, all Am 2014-08-14 17:15, schrieb Patrick Brunschwig: On 14.08.14 13:41, Jogi Hofmüller wrote: After a recent upgrade to enigmail 1.7 (Debian/testing) I got annoyed by the gnome hijacked gpg-agent message and disabled the gpg part of gnome keyring. Now enigmail asks for my passphrase every time I read an encrypted mail and even twice when I send one, despite telling it that it should keep the passphrase in memory. Why? You should only get the message when you save the Enigmail prefrences. I figured that I schould only get it then, but I kept getting it every time I started Thunderbird/Icedove. The wording is also a bit strange because it suggests that something evil is going on (hijacked). Guess users that read it could get overly confused ... What's so bad about gnome keyring that all of a sudden enigmail doesn't want to work with it anymore? It worked fine until 1.7 appeared. How are others handling this? The only problem is that Enigmail cannot configure gnome-keyring, i.e. when you change the passphrase caching settings, Enigmail cannot reconfigure gnome-keyring (which works in gpg-agent). Uh, well, then I underline my opinion that the wording is too strong. Personally I would say that PGP is complicated enough and the new behavior of enigmail doesn't really make things easier ... Why don't you set up gpg-agent or re-activate gnome-keyring for gpg? I did set up gpg-agent now and will continue using it for a while. Still, this is a big hurdle for users not used to editing config files. Gnome (and other environments too I guess) is doing a pretty good job in making Linux usable for the masses. Why should crypto hang behind and make things overly complicated? Anyhow, just my thoughts on this recent experience. Regards, -- j.hofmüller aka Thesix -#!$@@@? http://thesix.mur.at/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ enigmail-users mailing list enigmail-users@enigmail.net To unsubscribe or make changes to your subscription click here: https://admin.hostpoint.ch/mailman/listinfo/enigmail-users_enigmail.net
Re: [Enigmail] gpg-agent and gnome keyring
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 17.08.14 11:37, Jogi Hofmüller wrote: Uh, well, then I underline my opinion that the wording is too strong. If you are you referring to this message: +The GNOME keyring manager hijacked the GnuPG agent.; +GnuPG will not work proberly - please configure that +tool to not interfere with the GnuPG system!; then this comes directly from the underlying gpg2. We cannot influence the text. I also think, that the gnupg developpers did not deliberatly choose such a strong wording. Personally I would say that PGP is complicated enough and the new behavior of enigmail doesn't really make things easier ... Why don't you set up gpg-agent or re-activate gnome-keyring for gpg? I did set up gpg-agent now and will continue using it for a while. Still, this is a big hurdle for users not used to editing config files. Gnome (and other environments too I guess) is doing a pretty good job in making Linux usable for the masses. Why should crypto hang behind and make things overly complicated? I agree completely with don't make crypto overly complicated. However, Enigmail relies completely on gnupg for the crypto stuff. If gnupg decides to hate the gnome keyring behaviour regarding gnupg-agent, then we are only the messenger of the gnupg status output. If you want to discuss gnupg behaviour, the best place would be the gnupg-users list (gnupg-us...@gnupg.org). HTH Ludwig -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2 iQEcBAEBCgAGBQJT8H2WAAoJEA52XAUJWdLj+VgH/jqKlmHyVVsVrKbAphWuBMQr BxrFRkgIxl6e4k6GhScZLNOJToqzT/92vkSbqJjGtiUzGoLcBvs8hOvYkWuYb4Y7 3MTJxjwKJ8qct/5bxtETv+3DSdmiD7KF2YmWjoWQK3BP5Fzvx1ep/VIAThDvhG/3 YzUZIYp1w3lkTIG09vO6YufnXm2VzsEZLmHIoTN+0A6fdFYhpBdJyLijJfosw9OJ Eftiy/u7Ir1Pqv1aJTgNsKzqXy78SlV0azdPYdUfaeBvQkm6IkeHTNT0H0wOYSZh gf4rFSZscFQmq9JZNTqYTBYt2zOlCYG1ygzoX/FcCZK1o4b6OUN1vhZ4WsdJk+I= =3XMu -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ enigmail-users mailing list enigmail-users@enigmail.net To unsubscribe or make changes to your subscription click here: https://admin.hostpoint.ch/mailman/listinfo/enigmail-users_enigmail.net
[Enigmail] gpg-agent and gnome keyring
Dear all, After a recent upgrade to enigmail 1.7 (Debian/testing) I got annoyed by the gnome hijacked gpg-agent message and disabled the gpg part of gnome keyring. Now enigmail asks for my passphrase every time I read an encrypted mail and even twice when I send one, despite telling it that it should keep the passphrase in memory. What's so bad about gnome keyring that all of a sudden enigmail doesn't want to work with it anymore? It worked fine until 1.7 appeared. How are others handling this? Personally I would say that PGP is complicated enough and the new behavior of enigmail doesn't really make things easier ... Cheers, -- j.hofmüller mur.sat -- a space art projecthttp://sat.mur.at/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ enigmail-users mailing list enigmail-users@enigmail.net To unsubscribe or make changes to your subscription click here: https://admin.hostpoint.ch/mailman/listinfo/enigmail-users_enigmail.net
Re: [Enigmail] gpg-agent and gnome keyring
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 14.08.14 13:41, Jogi Hofmüller wrote: Dear all, After a recent upgrade to enigmail 1.7 (Debian/testing) I got annoyed by the gnome hijacked gpg-agent message and disabled the gpg part of gnome keyring. Now enigmail asks for my passphrase every time I read an encrypted mail and even twice when I send one, despite telling it that it should keep the passphrase in memory. Why? You should only get the message when you save the Enigmail prefrences. What's so bad about gnome keyring that all of a sudden enigmail doesn't want to work with it anymore? It worked fine until 1.7 appeared. How are others handling this? The only problem is that Enigmail cannot configure gnome-keyring, i.e. when you change the passphrase caching settings, Enigmail cannot reconfigure gnome-keyring (which works in gpg-agent). Personally I would say that PGP is complicated enough and the new behavior of enigmail doesn't really make things easier ... Why don't you set up gpg-agent or re-activate gnome-keyring for gpg? - -Patrick -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.22 (Darwin) iQEVAwUBU+zSqsk25cDiHiw+AQgADQf/aHgaXzIyfW716riWCtDGzNNcJyq0b7Ud TMUgYTMIQy7GTv2x5Ko9AgJw9X/V5AeAErlXOABVcJ2zOVPVkABRjW7FVPYECoFy NXyKRgftNabsqSuqcoZFYakyP0WQ3s65BIx5cfBsLUrZGIlqNypL8hvS7eq2Gx8Y YSziJZhsxa6qYyXgGF0Nk6RmHkbaXJSvj/Gc/xwHZywUAWVAG8mO8jLHFZjehF+z ySUKXdcxZbor2pConAlPAfJQgGRJDTLtVwLy5MkW3rIBfjjxZ/KlJ2ifA8pShzXL ICRVrLVC5zmElokv8aKIB7H3f/het/dOQBIMs4EzDG9t381LEpWO0w== =uuRu -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ enigmail-users mailing list enigmail-users@enigmail.net To unsubscribe or make changes to your subscription click here: https://admin.hostpoint.ch/mailman/listinfo/enigmail-users_enigmail.net
