Re: [E-devel] [Patch] emotion-gstreamer : add fimcconvert element on device

2012-07-06 Thread Cedric BAIL
On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 2:47 PM, Vincent Torri vincent.to...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 7:37 AM, Cedric BAIL cedric.b...@free.fr wrote:
 On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 11:28 PM, Jorge Luis Zapata Muga
 jorgeluis.zap...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 3:42 PM, Cedric BAIL cedric.b...@free.fr wrote:
 On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 10:30 PM, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
 barbi...@profusion.mobi wrote:
 On Thursday, July 5, 2012, Cedric BAIL wrote:
 On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 10:07 PM, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
 barbi...@profusion.mobi javascript:; wrote:
  On Thursday, July 5, 2012, Cedric BAIL wrote:
  On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 11:17 PM, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
  barbi...@profusion.mobi javascript:; javascript:; wrote:
   On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 12:14 AM, Cedric BAIL 
   cedric.b...@free.frjavascript:;
 javascript:;
  wrote:
   On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 4:39 PM, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
   barbi...@profusion.mobi javascript:; javascript:; wrote:
On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 4:22 AM, Sohyun Kim 
 anna1014@samsung.com javascript:;javascript:;
wrote:
I've made a patch for emotion-gstreamer.
When I tested video playing using emotion on the device, the 
frame
  rate
was no good enough.
So I added a filter using fimc to resize and convert color on 
the
device.
   
When the size of image object in the emotion object is smaller
 than
  80%
of video size, I added a fimcconvert element to the pipeline.
The fimcconvert element is distributed in Samsung to use
 internally,
  so
if the element exists, it is added to the pipeline.
   
is this opensource or generic?
  
   The gstreamer plugin code is proprietary I think (need ot check
 that),
   but the driver is open source and already mainline in linux kernel
   since a few year. So it's just the user space glue (the gstreamer
   plugins) that is not public.
  
If it's restricted to samsung hw, then please keep this a 
patchset
 for
your platforms.
   
If it's public, then could you share a timeline to get his
 accepted in
Gstreamer's plugin base or at least good set? It would be 
nice
 if
the decodebin would use it automatically, improving all the users
 of
such helper, including emotion.
  
   Problem is gstreamer playbin doesn't handle this kind of plugins at
   the moment. There is some work to do on gstreamer side before it 
   can
   get this kind of plugins in correctly (not in a hackish way).
  
   In some way this patch is a work around gstreamer limitation and 
   the
   fact that it lack some feature. The thing is we need this feature 
   and
   maybe more than for just Samsung hardware (colorspace convertion 
   and
   scaledown in an optimized way). This patch gave the infra to work
   around a limitation in a hackish way, I agree, but the time needed 
   to
   fix gstreamer is much higher than if we do it on our side.
  
   I see that as a temporary mesure until gstreamer 1.0 is out, device
   maker start to adopt it and we can start to fix it correctly.
  
   so either make the plugins to be used a compile/runtime configured
   list (much like the playbin/decodebin uses) or keep it as a separate
   patch.
  
   as is this really does not belong to emotion.
 
  I agree with you on the theory, but the fact is that all embedded
  hardware that I have access to have really a bad implementation of
  gstreamer on it (The cubox seems to be the worth one and will require
  a big custom pipeline). So this left us with only a limited choice. We
  are not going to fix proprietary code on this platform. If we do not
  provide an infra to work around all this crappy implementation then
  emotion is basically useless.
 
  The situation of Video library on Linux is actually really poor. As
  long as their is no serious solution to this issue we are stuck with
  hack. On this, the next step is clearly to move gstreamer to use the
  generic pipeline also, as it is a big source of crash... So I am going
  to commit this patch as the first step toward an infra for working
  around embedded device limitation.

  Isn't this a Samsung hw with Samsung sw?
  Also, if this is specific to some HW, why have it in svn? It should be 
  in
  the SDK patchset.

  I really don't get it in svn :-/

 I am refering to this device :
 http://www.solid-run.com/products/cubox/ . And in my past experience,
 gstreamer wasn't that good and needed some workaround (Look how many
 times XBMC need to be ported).

 I want to be able to use Emotion on this hardware. Currently it's not
 going to happen with a patch that I need to put somewhere in my own
 distribution. And that need to be repeated for almost all embedded
 device (We don't have yet the equivalent of OpenGL ES for video). By
 moving this stuff in Emotion, I hope to come up with a generic
 approach and share code among this hardware.

 Did u think about a gst plugin that use the others and have higher
 priority? Then for emotion it would be transparent.

 As bonus 

Re: [E-devel] Bug with EFM Go up a directory button

2012-07-06 Thread Michael Blumenkrantz
you really need to start creating trac bugs instead of mailing the list.

On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 9:40 PM, Jeff Hoogland jeffhoogl...@linux.comwrote:

 When you open the file selector window as such:
 http://www.enlightenment.org/ss/e-4ff5fb4a20c004.96379243.jpg

 As you can see the go up a directory button is grayed out and I can't
 click it.

 However if I select my home directory from the favorites menu on the left,
 that button now works and is selectable:
 http://www.enlightenment.org/ss/e-4ff5fb9ce47641.76153731.jpg

 Anyone else get this behavior or just me?

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Re: [E-devel] [Patch] Elementary : Elm_slider widget enhancements – modular design to display indicator text at the top of slider.

2012-07-06 Thread The Rasterman
On Mon, 25 Jun 2012 12:27:26 + (GMT) Sumanth Krishna Mannam
sumant...@samsung.com said:

review... incoming!

1.- design notes. this ALWAYS creates the popup_base even if the swallow
for popup doesnt exist. since this is new we need to detect this by checking
for the part - its a new feature and old themes wont support it.

2.- you always create the popup object regardless if theme supports this or not

3.- your hide/show logic of the popup object is not good. you should emit
signals from the base to show popup THEN popup is shown, another signal to
hide the popup. also perhaps some kind of signal/message passing to the popup of
its current drag position etc. and some proxying of signals/messages from bae
to popup so bsase can do things like fade the popup in and out or change its
color as its dragged around.

4. you dont listen to move+resize callbacks on popup_base rect. this is what
you should use to figure out current popup position and size.

5. with popup show/hide u want to actually have some negotiation on hide. ie
emit signal to say begin hiding now and popup signals back when done - but
only when responding to show/hide signals form the popup main edje. when slider
object ITSELF is shown/hidden u forcibly show/hide popup.


code things:

early on u replace a fixed buffer with an alloca - i dont get it. its a fixed
size alloca. why? this one:

-char buf[1024];
+buf = alloca(128);
+snprintf(buf, 128, sd-indicator, sd-val);

you also move it higher up in scope for no good reason. :) i'd fix that anyway.

so patch as it stands can't go in because it breaks backwards compatibility.
it also has too many things that need improving. :( now the question is.. do i
just quickly do this now, or does this wait for the next release cycle?

 Hi,
 
  I made a patch with an edje object displaying text during the Slider drag
 state. (The module design is been dropped, instead, we integrated it with the
 default widget code. Refer to:
 http://www.mail-archive.com/enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net/msg41850.html)
 
 The position and geometry can be controlled by a swallowed rectangle as the
 indicator popup is placed exactly over its location. 
 The popup (edje) object can be moved as per the invisible swallowed part so
 the popup display is totally controlled by theme/style (can adjust the offset
 or the size of indicator popup).
 
 The indicator stacking issue can be resolved in slider widget and the default
 theme look  feel remains unchanged with this patch.
 
 Can someone please review the code and merge it with upstream repository.
 
 
 Thanks  Regards,
 Sumanth
 
 
  Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 08:52:27 +0900
  From: Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) ras...@rasterman.com
  Subject: Re: [E-devel] [Patch] Elementary : Elm_slider widget
  enhancements ? modular design to display indicator text at the top of
  slider.
  To: Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri barbi...@profusion.mobi
  Cc: csm...@samsung.com csm...@samsung.com, TheRasterman
  CarstenHaitzlerraster@rasterman.com, Enlightenment developer list
  enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net,
  GustavoSverzutBarbieribarbieri@profusion.mobi
  Message-ID: 20120529085227.569f569fb880f2c59a4c4...@rasterman.com
  Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
  
  On Mon, 28 May 2012 11:54:25 -0300 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
  barbi...@profusion.mobi said:
  
  Hi Somanth,
  
  On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 7:07 AM, Sumanth Krishna Mannam
  sumant...@samsung.com wrote:
   Hi,
  
   We designed the module based approach for mainly the following reasons:
  
   1. ? Default indicator is displayed at the top of touch area.
   ? ? ?What if we want to show the popup at the left side/ right side/
   bottom of the touch point?
   ? ? ?- ?A dedicated dynamic module can handle the indicator orientation
   in the module code itself.
  
  These can be easily defined by the theme by using Edje object data.
  E17 makes uses of those to let the border say if the window is
  transparent or not, etc. But try to use object geometry as well, maybe
  defining that the object will be displayed exactly centered with the
  parent will do?
  
  indeed. all of this can be done with an edje object, some geometry tracking
  of a sepcific part in the base slider object (swallow invisible rectangle,
  track position/size of this rect, place indicator object at geometry of
  this rect, but on a higher layer, use signals to tell it it has been
  dragged, or needs repositioning to some side (left, right, top, bottom).
  
   2. There may be some cases where we need to display indicator popup in a
   separate window. It is left up to the module to decide how  where to
   display.
  
  Same, define as a theme Edje object data. If so, create the window and
  show it as overlay. Just take care to handle the non-windowed systems,
  doing a nice fallback (ie: framebuffer).
  
  i'd advise avoiding this like the plague (creating of a window). basically
  because it breaks with fb and with 

Re: [E-devel] Build issue in conf_randr module

2012-07-06 Thread The Rasterman
On Fri, 6 Jul 2012 14:55:26 +0900 Sanjeev BA eflel...@gmail.com said:

 Please ignore this question.
 
 Already answered by Cedric in an earlier email thread.
 
 Compiler error in e ( module xrandr ) missing
 src/modules/conf_randr/e-module-conf_randr.edj file
 
 Installed libpng development files and that fixed it. Evas was building
 with png support.

aah the joy of having emails answer themselves. :) JOY! :)

 On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 12:44 PM, Sanjeev BA eflel...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Hi,
 
  I am getting the following compile error while building 'e'.
  Kindly help me to fix it?
 
  ~/source/e/trunk/e/src/modules/conf_randr$ make
CCLD   module.la
  /usr/local/bin/edje_cc -v -id ../../../src/modules/conf_randr/images
  -DLOWRES_PDA=1 -DMEDIUMRES_PDA=2 -DHIRES_PDA=3 -DSLOW_PC=4 -DMEDIUM_PC=5
  -DFAST_PC=6 -DE17_PROFILE=SLOW_PC \
  ../../../src/modules/conf_randr/e-module-conf_randr.edc \
   ../../../src/modules/conf_randr/e-module-conf_randr.edj
  header: 0.6
  groups: 0.00023
  scripts: 0.0
  lua scripts: 0.0
  source: 0.00025
  fontmap: 0.00026
  /usr/local/bin/edje_cc: Wrote   306 bytes (   0Kb) for edje_file
  header
  /usr/local/bin/edje_cc: Error. Unable to load image icon.png used by
  file ../../../src/modules/conf_randr/e-module-conf_randr.edj: File (or
  file path) does not exist. Check if path to file icon.png is correct
  (both directory and file name).
  make: *** [e-module-conf_randr.edj] Error 255
 
  The specified images in the edc file are in the folder images/ under the
  same path (e/trunk/e/src/modules/conf_randr).
 
  Do I need to provide full path in the edc file?
 
  Regards,
  Sanjeev
 
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Re: [E-devel] [Patch] [Edje] Added: Pulseaudio remix plug-in for edje multisense module

2012-07-06 Thread The Rasterman
On Mon, 02 Jul 2012 07:07:19 + (GMT) PRINCE KUMAR DUBEY
prince.du...@samsung.com said:

these are really suspicious. you're messing with starting/stopping mainloops
here

+   ecore_main_loop_quit();

+//again main loop begins to process thread cancellation
+ecore_main_loop_begin();

:( not good. imagine u shut down edje while still in the mainloop. :) (not
relevant for elementary but for things using raw edje+ecore+evas/ etc. ...)

 Hi,
 Please review the attached patch after fixing review comments.
 Change Description:
 1. Support for Multisense initialization/shutdown only when multisense
 feature is used.
 2. Enhancement to _edje_multisense_shutdown to fix memory leak.
 3. Multisense example enhancement and correction of macros(ENABLE_MULTISENSE
  HAVE_REMIX) use in edje_multisense.c.
 4. Interface multisense_factory_shutdown implementation, Macro WRN
 implementation using eina_log.
 5. Fix for buffer underrun in ALSA plugin and REMIX flags are used in
 src/bin/Makefile.am.
 6. Multisense support enabled by default.
 7.Pulse Audio Remix Plug-in added as audio output  device.
 
 Signed-Off-By: Prince Kr Dubeyprince.du...@samsung.com
 
 Thanks  Regards,
 Prince
 
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 Subject: Re: [E-devel] [Patch] [Edje] Added: Pulseaudio remix plug-in for 
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  Hi Prince,
 
  On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 11:47 AM, Prince Kr Dubey
  prince.du...@samsung.com wrote:
  Hi Flavio,
 
  I'll create another patch with the modification suggested by you and
  Gustavo.
  And will post the same to community ASAP.
 
  Thanks  Regards,
  Prince
 
  On 06/25/2012 14:20:20 , Flavio Ceolin flavio.ceo...@profusion.mobi 
  wrote:
  Hi Prince,
 
  Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri barbi...@profusion.mobi writes:
 
  On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 10:32 AM, PRINCE KUMAR DUBEY
  prince.du...@samsung.com wrote:
  Hi,
 
  Please find my query/comments inlined below.
 
  Ok, and could you use some email client that does proper reply? It's a
  mess and unusual to read your mails without the proper quote blocks.
 
 
  +EAPI extern Eina_Bool _on_edjecc;
 
  It seems to be not necessary.
  [Prince] this variable is required, in order to provide check to
  unnecessary multisense framework initialization during EDC
  compilation/decompilation mode.
  So, during EDC compilation, _on_edjecc=EINA_TRUE in edje_cc.c and
  hence,
  _edje_multisense_init() is being ignored in edje_main.c.
 
 
  No, never do this.
 
  One should have a global setter and maybe a getter to enable or 
  disable
  features, or even better just load multisense if it's required.
 
  [Prince] Multisense load is not needed during
  compilation/decompilation, because it inculdes remix and its
  plug-in(i.e. eetsndreader, ALSA) load, which are specificaly
  required during runtime only.
  As per your suggestion above, should we add interfaces for
  setter/getter to enable this feature in edje ? Please share your
  opinion.
 
  I dislike having to manually enable or disable them. Just use it as
  last resource.
 
  Ideally the multisense would be disabled and whenever a group uses
  multisense, it would be enabled. You do not need to further disable
  the setup later, it's fine to keep it on.
  It's like a lazy-loaded singleton.
 
  As edje_cc will never edje_object_file_set() it will never hit the
  path to load multisense. Then we're fine for it and every other
  software that does not use it.
 
  Are you intending to do the modifications suggested ?
  Your patch with those modifications looks pretty good.
 
  Best Regards,
  Flavio Ceolin
 
 
 
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[E-devel] E17 release...

2012-07-06 Thread Michael Blumenkrantz
blog.

As some of you may know, I'm managing the release of E17. Lots of bugs to
fix, features to add, etc. As such, I've started a blog which will focus
entirely on E17 release:

http://e17releasemanager.wordpress.com/

Circulate/spread it around as you will, publicity is a good thing. If
anyone has any particular topics they'd like covered, feel free to post a
comment or send me a mail.
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[E-devel] [PATCH] elementary_test:clock couldn't be maxmised

2012-07-06 Thread juan . j . zhao
From: Juan Zhao juan.j.z...@linux.intel.com

On wayland, elementary_test couldn't be maximised.
It's because of the clock window's weight is 0.
We should set its weight in the application side.
---
 trunk/elementary/src/bin/test_clock.c |1 +
 1 files changed, 1 insertions(+), 0 deletions(-)

diff --git a/trunk/elementary/src/bin/test_clock.c 
b/trunk/elementary/src/bin/test_clock.c
index 6e28d21..ebbc096 100644
--- a/trunk/elementary/src/bin/test_clock.c
+++ b/trunk/elementary/src/bin/test_clock.c
@@ -111,6 +111,7 @@ test_clock(void *data __UNUSED__, Evas_Object *obj 
__UNUSED__, void *event_info
 
bx = elm_box_add(win);
elm_win_resize_object_add(win, bx);
+   evas_object_size_hint_weight_set(bx, EVAS_HINT_EXPAND, EVAS_HINT_EXPAND);
api-box = bx;
evas_object_show(bx);
 
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[E-devel] [Patch] [Elementary] added magnifier feature to elm_entry

2012-07-06 Thread Myung-Jae Lee

Dear all EFL developers,

I'm trying to add entry features those are useful in the mobile envieronment 
such as magnifier and selection block handlers.
Some of these might be conflicted with desktop entries' functionalities or 
meaningless in the desktop entries.
Therefore I've splitted the patches according to the functionality and I'm 
sending them one after another.

The attached patch is related to the entry magnifier feature that helps user 
move cursor easily in a mobile entry.
This can be more useful with another selection mode in a edje_entry that 
supports moving cursor in mouse_move.
However as I described above, I'll send the edje_entry selection patch (that 
will also include one more change in long press detection in an elm_entry) 
right after this magnifier patch is accepted.
So, please review this patch just focused on magnifier feature itself.

I added next 2 APIs to enable or disable magnifier feature in an entry.
- EAPI void elm_entry_magnifier_disabled_set(Evas_Object *obj, Eina_Bool 
disabled);
- EAPI Eina_Bool elm_entry_magnifier_disabled_get(const Evas_Object *obj);

And below 4 functions are related to magnifier feature.
- static void _magnifier_create(void *data);
- static void _magnifier_show(void *data);
- static void _magnifier_hide(void *data);
- static void _magnifier_move(void *data, Evas_Coord x, Evas_Coord y);

Please review this patch and feel free to give me a feedback if you have 
questions.

Best Regards,
Myungjae Lee

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Re: [E-devel] E SVN: raster trunk/terminology

2012-07-06 Thread Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
On Friday, July 6, 2012, Enlightenment SVN wrote:

 Log:
 todo++



 Author:   raster
 Date: 2012-07-05 23:33:36 -0700 (Thu, 05 Jul 2012)
 New Revision: 73394
 Trac: http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/changeset/73394

 Modified:
   trunk/terminology/TODO

 Modified: trunk/terminology/TODO
 ===
 --- trunk/terminology/TODO  2012-07-06 04:03:21 UTC (rev 73393)
 +++ trunk/terminology/TODO  2012-07-06 06:33:36 UTC (rev 73394)
 @@ -2,6 +2,7 @@
  here's a short list of things i think we can do in the short to medium
 term to
  make it a first-class terminal:

 +[ ] elm cnp doesnt work in the fb :(


It doesn't have implementation for non x11, not even an in-app buffer (keep
selection as a global pointer)

Also, if someone could look in elm_cnp, I've added comments. It's quite
bad, many cases will make it break, particularly with drag and drop.  :-(

It's not a few hours patch, the. I can not work on it myself.



  [ ] jed menus dont draw lines right
  [ ] paste top bit of
  http://aur.archlinux.org/packages/te/terminology-svn/PKGBUILD



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Re: [E-devel] [Patch] [Elementary] added magnifier feature to elm_entry

2012-07-06 Thread Cedric BAIL
Hello,

On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 7:37 PM, Myung-Jae Lee mjae@samsung.com wrote:
 I'm trying to add entry features those are useful in the mobile envieronment 
 such as magnifier and selection block handlers.
 Some of these might be conflicted with desktop entries' functionalities or 
 meaningless in the desktop entries.
 Therefore I've splitted the patches according to the functionality and I'm 
 sending them one after another.

I do disagree with you. I think this kind of feature could be useful
for people with limited sightedness on desktop to.

 The attached patch is related to the entry magnifier feature that helps user 
 move cursor easily in a mobile entry.
 This can be more useful with another selection mode in a edje_entry that 
 supports moving cursor in mouse_move.
 However as I described above, I'll send the edje_entry selection patch (that 
 will also include one more change in long press detection in an elm_entry) 
 right after this magnifier patch is accepted.
 So, please review this patch just focused on magnifier feature itself.

 I added next 2 APIs to enable or disable magnifier feature in an entry.
 - EAPI void elm_entry_magnifier_disabled_set(Evas_Object *obj, Eina_Bool 
 disabled);
 - EAPI Eina_Bool elm_entry_magnifier_disabled_get(const Evas_Object *obj);

Shouldn't that be part of Elementary window config ? As application
should really not care about that.

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Re: [E-devel] [Patch] Elementary : Elm_slider widget enhancements – modular design to display indicator text at the top of slider.

2012-07-06 Thread Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
On Friday, July 6, 2012, Carsten Haitzler wrote:

 On Mon, 25 Jun 2012 12:27:26 + (GMT) Sumanth Krishna Mannam
 sumant...@samsung.com javascript:; said:

 review... incoming!

 1.- design notes. this ALWAYS creates the popup_base even if the swallow
 for popup doesnt exist. since this is new we need to detect this by
 checking
 for the part - its a new feature and old themes wont support it.

 2.- you always create the popup object regardless if theme supports this
 or not

 3.- your hide/show logic of the popup object is not good. you should emit
 signals from the base to show popup THEN popup is shown, another signal
 to
 hide the popup. also perhaps some kind of signal/message passing to the
 popup of
 its current drag position etc. and some proxying of signals/messages from
 bae
 to popup so bsase can do things like fade the popup in and out or change
 its
 color as its dragged around.

 4. you dont listen to move+resize callbacks on popup_base rect. this is
 what
 you should use to figure out current popup position and size.

 5. with popup show/hide u want to actually have some negotiation on hide.
 ie
 emit signal to say begin hiding now and popup signals back when done -
 but
 only when responding to show/hide signals form the popup main edje. when
 slider
 object ITSELF is shown/hidden u forcibly show/hide popup.


 code things:

 early on u replace a fixed buffer with an alloca - i dont get it. its a
 fixed
 size alloca. why? this one:

 -char buf[1024];
 +buf = alloca(128);
 +snprintf(buf, 128, sd-indicator, sd-val);

 you also move it higher up in scope for no good reason. :) i'd fix that
 anyway.

 so patch as it stands can't go in because it breaks backwards
 compatibility.
 it also has too many things that need improving. :( now the question is..
 do i
 just quickly do this now, or does this wait for the next release cycle?


Now is better. It is annoying the current version inside a frame and you
get it clipped. At least in some themes.



  Hi,
 
   I made a patch with an edje object displaying text during the Slider
 drag
  state. (The module design is been dropped, instead, we integrated it
 with the
  default widget code. Refer to:
 
 http://www.mail-archive.com/enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net/msg41850.html
 )
 
  The position and geometry can be controlled by a swallowed rectangle as
 the
  indicator popup is placed exactly over its location.
  The popup (edje) object can be moved as per the invisible swallowed part
 so
  the popup display is totally controlled by theme/style (can adjust the
 offset
  or the size of indicator popup).
 
  The indicator stacking issue can be resolved in slider widget and the
 default
  theme look  feel remains unchanged with this patch.
 
  Can someone please review the code and merge it with upstream repository.
 
 
  Thanks  Regards,
  Sumanth
 
 
   Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 08:52:27 +0900
   From: Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) ras...@rasterman.com
   Subject: Re: [E-devel] [Patch] Elementary : Elm_slider widget
   enhancements ? modular design to display indicator text at the top of
   slider.
   To: Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri barbi...@profusion.mobi
   Cc: csm...@samsung.com csm...@samsung.com, TheRasterman
   CarstenHaitzlerraster@rasterman.com, Enlightenment developer list
   enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net,
   GustavoSverzutBarbieribarbieri@profusion.mobi
   Message-ID: 20120529085227.569f569fb880f2c59a4c4...@rasterman.com
   Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
  
   On Mon, 28 May 2012 11:54:25 -0300 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
   barbi...@profusion.mobi said:
  
   Hi Somanth,
  
   On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 7:07 AM, Sumanth Krishna Mannam
   sumant...@samsung.com wrote:
Hi,
   
We designed the module based approach for mainly the following
 reasons:
   
1. ? Default indicator is displayed at the top of touch area.
? ? ?What if we want to show the popup at the left side/ right side/
bottom of the touch point?
? ? ?- ?A dedicated dynamic module can handle the indicator
 orientation
in the module code itself.
  
   These can be easily defined by the theme by using Edje object data.
   E17 makes uses of those to let the border say if the window is
   transparent or not, etc. But try to use object geometry as well, maybe
   defining that the object will be displayed exactly centered with the
   parent will do?
  
   indeed. all of this can be done with an edje object, some geometry
 tracking
   of a sepcific part in the base slider object (swallow invisible
 rectangle,
   track position/size of this rect, place indicator object at geometry of
   this rect, but on a higher layer, use signals to tell it it has been
   dragged, or needs repositioning to some side (left, right, top,
 bottom).
  
2. There may be some cases where we need to display indicator popup
 in a
separate window. It is left up to the module to decide how  where
 to
display.
  
   Same, define as 

Re: [E-devel] E SVN: raster trunk/terminology

2012-07-06 Thread The Rasterman
On Fri, 6 Jul 2012 07:52:51 -0300 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
barbi...@profusion.mobi said:

 On Friday, July 6, 2012, Enlightenment SVN wrote:
 
  Log:
  todo++
 
 
 
  Author:   raster
  Date: 2012-07-05 23:33:36 -0700 (Thu, 05 Jul 2012)
  New Revision: 73394
  Trac: http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/changeset/73394
 
  Modified:
trunk/terminology/TODO
 
  Modified: trunk/terminology/TODO
  ===
  --- trunk/terminology/TODO  2012-07-06 04:03:21 UTC (rev 73393)
  +++ trunk/terminology/TODO  2012-07-06 06:33:36 UTC (rev 73394)
  @@ -2,6 +2,7 @@
   here's a short list of things i think we can do in the short to medium
  term to
   make it a first-class terminal:
 
  +[ ] elm cnp doesnt work in the fb :(
 
 
 It doesn't have implementation for non x11, not even an in-app buffer (keep
 selection as a global pointer)

i know. i saw. :) thus the note here. :)

 Also, if someone could look in elm_cnp, I've added comments. It's quite
 bad, many cases will make it break, particularly with drag and drop.  :-(
 
 It's not a few hours patch, the. I can not work on it myself.

its working mostly for my testing though i found a break .e17 and elm dont cnp
to eachother. dont know why. e17 works with other apps. elm works with other
apps. they dont work with eachother. need to check.

   [ ] jed menus dont draw lines right
   [ ] paste top bit of
   http://aur.archlinux.org/packages/te/terminology-svn/PKGBUILD
 
 
 
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Re: [E-devel] [Patch] [Elementary] added magnifier feature to elm_entry

2012-07-06 Thread Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
On Friday, July 6, 2012, Cedric BAIL wrote:

 Hello,

 On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 7:37 PM, Myung-Jae Lee 
 mjae@samsung.comjavascript:;
 wrote:
  I'm trying to add entry features those are useful in the mobile
 envieronment such as magnifier and selection block handlers.
  Some of these might be conflicted with desktop entries' functionalities
 or meaningless in the desktop entries.
  Therefore I've splitted the patches according to the functionality and
 I'm sending them one after another.

 I do disagree with you. I think this kind of feature could be useful
 for people with limited sightedness on desktop to.

  The attached patch is related to the entry magnifier feature that helps
 user move cursor easily in a mobile entry.
  This can be more useful with another selection mode in a edje_entry that
 supports moving cursor in mouse_move.
  However as I described above, I'll send the edje_entry selection patch
 (that will also include one more change in long press detection in an
 elm_entry) right after this magnifier patch is accepted.
  So, please review this patch just focused on magnifier feature itself.
 
  I added next 2 APIs to enable or disable magnifier feature in an entry.
  - EAPI void elm_entry_magnifier_disabled_set(Evas_Object *obj, Eina_Bool
 disabled);
  - EAPI Eina_Bool elm_entry_magnifier_disabled_get(const Evas_Object
 *obj);

 Shouldn't that be part of Elementary window config ? As application
 should really not care about that.


Yes, and I'd say it should emit some signal or callbacks and be replaceable
from outside of elm. If its possible to have the magnifier usable from
other places (magnify at x,y the object o) it would be helpful as well.



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Re: [E-devel] [Patch] Elementary : Elm_slider widget enhancements – modular design to display indicator text at the top of slider.

2012-07-06 Thread The Rasterman
On Fri, 6 Jul 2012 08:04:00 -0300 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
barbi...@profusion.mobi said:

 On Friday, July 6, 2012, Carsten Haitzler wrote:
 
  On Mon, 25 Jun 2012 12:27:26 + (GMT) Sumanth Krishna Mannam
  sumant...@samsung.com javascript:; said:
 
  review... incoming!
 
  1.- design notes. this ALWAYS creates the popup_base even if the swallow
  for popup doesnt exist. since this is new we need to detect this by
  checking
  for the part - its a new feature and old themes wont support it.
 
  2.- you always create the popup object regardless if theme supports this
  or not
 
  3.- your hide/show logic of the popup object is not good. you should emit
  signals from the base to show popup THEN popup is shown, another signal
  to
  hide the popup. also perhaps some kind of signal/message passing to the
  popup of
  its current drag position etc. and some proxying of signals/messages from
  bae
  to popup so bsase can do things like fade the popup in and out or change
  its
  color as its dragged around.
 
  4. you dont listen to move+resize callbacks on popup_base rect. this is
  what
  you should use to figure out current popup position and size.
 
  5. with popup show/hide u want to actually have some negotiation on hide.
  ie
  emit signal to say begin hiding now and popup signals back when done -
  but
  only when responding to show/hide signals form the popup main edje. when
  slider
  object ITSELF is shown/hidden u forcibly show/hide popup.
 
 
  code things:
 
  early on u replace a fixed buffer with an alloca - i dont get it. its a
  fixed
  size alloca. why? this one:
 
  -char buf[1024];
  +buf = alloca(128);
  +snprintf(buf, 128, sd-indicator, sd-val);
 
  you also move it higher up in scope for no good reason. :) i'd fix that
  anyway.
 
  so patch as it stands can't go in because it breaks backwards
  compatibility.
  it also has too many things that need improving. :( now the question is..
  do i
  just quickly do this now, or does this wait for the next release cycle?
 
 
 Now is better. It is annoying the current version inside a frame and you
 get it clipped. At least in some themes.

then i will have to violate freeze and do it this weekend. :(

   Hi,
  
I made a patch with an edje object displaying text during the Slider
  drag
   state. (The module design is been dropped, instead, we integrated it
  with the
   default widget code. Refer to:
  
  http://www.mail-archive.com/enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net/msg41850.html
  )
  
   The position and geometry can be controlled by a swallowed rectangle as
  the
   indicator popup is placed exactly over its location.
   The popup (edje) object can be moved as per the invisible swallowed part
  so
   the popup display is totally controlled by theme/style (can adjust the
  offset
   or the size of indicator popup).
  
   The indicator stacking issue can be resolved in slider widget and the
  default
   theme look  feel remains unchanged with this patch.
  
   Can someone please review the code and merge it with upstream repository.
  
  
   Thanks  Regards,
   Sumanth
  
  
Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 08:52:27 +0900
From: Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) ras...@rasterman.com
Subject: Re: [E-devel] [Patch] Elementary : Elm_slider widget
enhancements ? modular design to display indicator text at the top of
slider.
To: Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri barbi...@profusion.mobi
Cc: csm...@samsung.com csm...@samsung.com, TheRasterman
CarstenHaitzlerraster@rasterman.com, Enlightenment developer list
enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net,
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Message-ID: 20120529085227.569f569fb880f2c59a4c4...@rasterman.com
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
   
On Mon, 28 May 2012 11:54:25 -0300 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
barbi...@profusion.mobi said:
   
Hi Somanth,
   
On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 7:07 AM, Sumanth Krishna Mannam
sumant...@samsung.com wrote:
 Hi,

 We designed the module based approach for mainly the following
  reasons:

 1. ? Default indicator is displayed at the top of touch area.
 ? ? ?What if we want to show the popup at the left side/ right side/
 bottom of the touch point?
 ? ? ?- ?A dedicated dynamic module can handle the indicator
  orientation
 in the module code itself.
   
These can be easily defined by the theme by using Edje object data.
E17 makes uses of those to let the border say if the window is
transparent or not, etc. But try to use object geometry as well, maybe
defining that the object will be displayed exactly centered with the
parent will do?
   
indeed. all of this can be done with an edje object, some geometry
  tracking
of a sepcific part in the base slider object (swallow invisible
  rectangle,
track position/size of this rect, place indicator object at geometry of
this rect, but on a higher layer, use signals to 

Re: [E-devel] New svn-git-am.py

2012-07-06 Thread Lucas De Marchi
On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 1:30 AM, Vincent Torri vincent.to...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 11:53 PM, Lucas De Marchi
 lucas.demar...@profusion.mobi wrote:
 Hey,


 I know several developers use git for daily development and also some
 of us need to apply patches from other people (giving credits to the
 author). With svn 1.7 the svn-git-am.py script from Gustavo Barbieri
 stopped to work. I just rewrote it and it's now committed to his
 repository.

 Even if you don't use git for development, it's useful for taking
 patches from other people by email, preserving the commit message,
 giving credits and all.

 Please let me know if you find any issues with this new version.
 https://code.google.com/p/barbieri-playground/source/browse/python/svn-git-am.py

 does it has some of the moap [1] features ?

Nops.


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Re: [E-devel] E17 release...

2012-07-06 Thread Rafael Antognolli
On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 7:16 AM, Michael Blumenkrantz
michael.blumenkra...@gmail.com wrote:
 blog.

 As some of you may know, I'm managing the release of E17. Lots of bugs to
 fix, features to add, etc. As such, I've started a blog which will focus
 entirely on E17 release:

 http://e17releasemanager.wordpress.com/

 Circulate/spread it around as you will, publicity is a good thing. If
 anyone has any particular topics they'd like covered, feel free to post a
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Re: [E-devel] E17 release...

2012-07-06 Thread Michael Blumenkrantz
Good call, I figured they'd be enabled by default. They're on now.

On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 1:19 PM, Rafael Antognolli antogno...@profusion.mobi
 wrote:

 On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 7:16 AM, Michael Blumenkrantz
 michael.blumenkra...@gmail.com wrote:
  blog.
 
  As some of you may know, I'm managing the release of E17. Lots of bugs
 to
  fix, features to add, etc. As such, I've started a blog which will focus
  entirely on E17 release:
 
  http://e17releasemanager.wordpress.com/
 
  Circulate/spread it around as you will, publicity is a good thing. If
  anyone has any particular topics they'd like covered, feel free to post a
  comment or send me a mail.

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Re: [E-devel] E17 release...

2012-07-06 Thread Jeff Hoogland
I've taken the liberty of posting this to the social medias... Adding to a
few other news feeds now.

On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 7:27 AM, Michael Blumenkrantz 
michael.blumenkra...@gmail.com wrote:

 Good call, I figured they'd be enabled by default. They're on now.

 On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 1:19 PM, Rafael Antognolli 
 antogno...@profusion.mobi
  wrote:

  On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 7:16 AM, Michael Blumenkrantz
  michael.blumenkra...@gmail.com wrote:
   blog.
  
   As some of you may know, I'm managing the release of E17. Lots of
 bugs
  to
   fix, features to add, etc. As such, I've started a blog which will
 focus
   entirely on E17 release:
  
   http://e17releasemanager.wordpress.com/
  
   Circulate/spread it around as you will, publicity is a good thing. If
   anyone has any particular topics they'd like covered, feel free to
 post a
   comment or send me a mail.
 
  If you want some more publicity, add some twitter, g+ and facebook
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Re: [E-devel] Bug with EFM Go up a directory button

2012-07-06 Thread Jeff Hoogland
Should I just right to creating bug tickets? Normally I like to drop a
message to confirm others can reproduce the issue(s) to ensure that it
simply isn't something wrong in my setup/build.

On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 1:30 AM, Michael Blumenkrantz 
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 you really need to start creating trac bugs instead of mailing the list.

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  When you open the file selector window as such:
  http://www.enlightenment.org/ss/e-4ff5fb4a20c004.96379243.jpg
 
  As you can see the go up a directory button is grayed out and I can't
  click it.
 
  However if I select my home directory from the favorites menu on the
 left,
  that button now works and is selectable:
  http://www.enlightenment.org/ss/e-4ff5fb9ce47641.76153731.jpg
 
  Anyone else get this behavior or just me?
 
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Re: [E-devel] Bug with EFM Go up a directory button

2012-07-06 Thread Michael Blumenkrantz
at worst, I spend 30 seconds marking it invalid and then we have a record
of it

On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 2:38 PM, Jeff Hoogland jeffhoogl...@linux.comwrote:

 Should I just right to creating bug tickets? Normally I like to drop a
 message to confirm others can reproduce the issue(s) to ensure that it
 simply isn't something wrong in my setup/build.

 On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 1:30 AM, Michael Blumenkrantz 
 michael.blumenkra...@gmail.com wrote:

  you really need to start creating trac bugs instead of mailing the list.
 
  On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 9:40 PM, Jeff Hoogland jeffhoogl...@linux.com
  wrote:
 
   When you open the file selector window as such:
   http://www.enlightenment.org/ss/e-4ff5fb4a20c004.96379243.jpg
  
   As you can see the go up a directory button is grayed out and I can't
   click it.
  
   However if I select my home directory from the favorites menu on the
  left,
   that button now works and is selectable:
   http://www.enlightenment.org/ss/e-4ff5fb9ce47641.76153731.jpg
  
   Anyone else get this behavior or just me?
  
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Re: [E-devel] E17 release...

2012-07-06 Thread Vincent Torri
On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 12:16 PM, Michael Blumenkrantz
michael.blumenkra...@gmail.com wrote:
 blog.

 As some of you may know, I'm managing the release of E17. Lots of bugs to
 fix, features to add, etc. As such, I've started a blog which will focus
 entirely on E17 release:

 http://e17releasemanager.wordpress.com/

 Circulate/spread it around as you will, publicity is a good thing. If
 anyone has any particular topics they'd like covered, feel free to post a
 comment or send me a mail.

lwn, phoronix, /. are some sites to post in. My english is too bad for
that, and last time i tried to do publicity in phoronix, i was
ignored. I know gustavo has already successfully send news to phoronix

on the french side, i'll do a post in the french website, and to the
linux website the most read

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Re: [E-devel] E17 release...

2012-07-06 Thread Michael Blumenkrantz
I tried submitting to /. but I have no idea if it will get accepted

On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 2:54 PM, Vincent Torri vincent.to...@gmail.comwrote:

 On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 12:16 PM, Michael Blumenkrantz
 michael.blumenkra...@gmail.com wrote:
  blog.
 
  As some of you may know, I'm managing the release of E17. Lots of bugs
 to
  fix, features to add, etc. As such, I've started a blog which will focus
  entirely on E17 release:
 
  http://e17releasemanager.wordpress.com/
 
  Circulate/spread it around as you will, publicity is a good thing. If
  anyone has any particular topics they'd like covered, feel free to post a
  comment or send me a mail.

 lwn, phoronix, /. are some sites to post in. My english is too bad for
 that, and last time i tried to do publicity in phoronix, i was
 ignored. I know gustavo has already successfully send news to phoronix

 on the french side, i'll do a post in the french website, and to the
 linux website the most read

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Re: [E-devel] Bug with EFM Go up a directory button

2012-07-06 Thread Lucas De Marchi
On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 3:30 AM, Michael Blumenkrantz
michael.blumenkra...@gmail.com wrote:
 you really need to start creating trac bugs instead of mailing the list.

Mailing lists are so much nicer


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Re: [E-devel] Bug with EFM Go up a directory button

2012-07-06 Thread Michael Blumenkrantz
trac bugs are so much harder to have ignored

On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 2:56 PM, Lucas De Marchi 
lucas.demar...@profusion.mobi wrote:

 On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 3:30 AM, Michael Blumenkrantz
 michael.blumenkra...@gmail.com wrote:
  you really need to start creating trac bugs instead of mailing the list.

 Mailing lists are so much nicer


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Re: [E-devel] Bug with EFM Go up a directory button

2012-07-06 Thread Lucas De Marchi
On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 11:01 AM, Michael Blumenkrantz
michael.blumenkra...@gmail.com wrote:
 trac bugs are so much harder to have ignored

I always ignore all of them... much much easier


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Re: [E-devel] Bug with EFM Go up a directory button

2012-07-06 Thread Michael Blumenkrantz
I did too until it became my job to fix them all

On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 3:05 PM, Lucas De Marchi 
lucas.demar...@profusion.mobi wrote:

 On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 11:01 AM, Michael Blumenkrantz
 michael.blumenkra...@gmail.com wrote:
  trac bugs are so much harder to have ignored

 I always ignore all of them... much much easier


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Re: [E-devel] E17 release...

2012-07-06 Thread Luis Felipe Strano Moraes
Michael,

regarding slashdot and reddit, please send the links here because they
depend on user voting in order to appear properly on the site, so if
you share the links we can all do our best to help out.

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On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 10:56 AM, Michael Blumenkrantz
michael.blumenkra...@gmail.com wrote:
 I tried submitting to /. but I have no idea if it will get accepted

 On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 2:54 PM, Vincent Torri vincent.to...@gmail.comwrote:

 On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 12:16 PM, Michael Blumenkrantz
 michael.blumenkra...@gmail.com wrote:
  blog.
 
  As some of you may know, I'm managing the release of E17. Lots of bugs
 to
  fix, features to add, etc. As such, I've started a blog which will focus
  entirely on E17 release:
 
  http://e17releasemanager.wordpress.com/
 
  Circulate/spread it around as you will, publicity is a good thing. If
  anyone has any particular topics they'd like covered, feel free to post a
  comment or send me a mail.

 lwn, phoronix, /. are some sites to post in. My english is too bad for
 that, and last time i tried to do publicity in phoronix, i was
 ignored. I know gustavo has already successfully send news to phoronix

 on the french side, i'll do a post in the french website, and to the
 linux website the most read

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Re: [E-devel] E SVN: bdilly trunk/ephysics/src/lib

2012-07-06 Thread Bruno Dilly
On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 11:20 PM, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
barbi...@profusion.mobi wrote:
 Some getters miss const keyword

True, fixed on 73419.
Thanks


 On Thursday, July 5, 2012, Enlightenment SVN wrote:

 Log:
 EPhysics: worlds solver mode

   Add a function to enable/disable the world constraint solver mode.
   Also add wrappers for bullets solver modes enumerations, and a function
   to query the current status.


   Patch by: Leandro Dorileo dori...@profusion.mobi javascript:;



 Author:   bdilly
 Date: 2012-07-05 15:53:14 -0700 (Thu, 05 Jul 2012)
 New Revision: 73383
 Trac: http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/changeset/73383

 Modified:
   trunk/ephysics/src/lib/EPhysics.h
 trunk/ephysics/src/lib/ephysics_world.cpp

 Modified: trunk/ephysics/src/lib/EPhysics.h
 ===
 --- trunk/ephysics/src/lib/EPhysics.h   2012-07-05 22:52:53 UTC (rev 73382)
 +++ trunk/ephysics/src/lib/EPhysics.h   2012-07-05 22:53:14 UTC (rev 73383)
 @@ -271,6 +271,26 @@
  } EPhysics_Callback_World_Type;

  /**
 + * @enum _EPhysics_World_Constraint_Solver_Mode
 + * typedef EPhysics_World_Constraint_Solver_Mode
 + *
 + * Identifies the worlds contact and joint constraint solver mode. By
 default
 + * EPHYSICS_WORLD_SOLVER_USE_WARMSTARTING is the only enabled solver mode.
 + *
 + * @see ephysics_world_constraint_solver_mode_enable_set()
 + * @see ephysics_world_constraint_solver_mode_enable_get()
 + *
 + * @ingroup EPhysics_World
 + */
 +typedef enum _EPhysics_World_Constraint_Solver_Mode
 +{
 +   EPHYSICS_WORLD_SOLVER_RANDMIZE_ORDER = 1, /** Randomize the order of
 solving the constraint rows*/
 +   EPHYSICS_WORLD_SOLVER_USE_WARMSTARTING = 4, /** The PGS is an
 iterative algorithm where each iteration is based on the solution of
 previous iteration, if no warmstarting is used, the initial solution for
 PGS is set to zero each frame (by default this mode is enabled, disabling
 this mode the user can face a better performance depending on the amount of
 objects in the simulation)*/
 +   EPHYSICS_WORLD_SOLVER_USE_2_FRICTION_DIRECTIONS = 16, /** While
 calculating a friction impulse consider this should be applied on both
 bodies (this mode cause a better stacking stabilization)*/
 +   EPHYSICS_WORLD_SOLVER_SIMD = 256, /** Use a SSE optimized innerloop,
 using assembly intrinsics, this is implemented and can be enabled/disabled
 for Windows and Mac OSX versions, single-precision floating point,
 32bit(disabled by default)*/
 +} EPhysics_World_Solver_Mode;
 +
 +/**
   * @typedef EPhysics_World_Event_Cb
   *
   * EPhysics world event callback function signature.
 @@ -480,6 +500,33 @@

  /**
   * @brief
 + * Enable or disable a constraint solver mode to @p world. A world can
 operate
 + * on several constraint solver modes.
 + *
 + * @param world The world to be set.
 + * @param solver_mode The solver mode to set.
 + *
 + * @see EPhysics_World_Solver_Mode for supported solver modes.
 + * @see ephysics_world_constraint_solver_mode_enable_get()
 + * @ingroup EPhysics_World
 + */
 +EAPI void ephysics_world_constraint_solver_mode_enable_set(EPhysics_World
 *world, EPhysics_World_Solver_Mode solver_mode, Eina_Bool enable);
 +
 +/**
 + * @brief
 + * Get the @p solver_mode status on @p world.
 + *
 + * @param world The world to be queried.
 + * @param solver_mode The solver mode of interest.
 + * @return EINA_TRUE if @p solver_mode is enabled, EINA_FALSE otherwise
 + *
 + * @see ephysics_world_constraint_solver_mode_enable_set()
 + * @ingroup EPhysics_World
 + */
 +EAPI Eina_Bool
 ephysics_world_constraint_solver_mode_enable_get(EPhysics_World *world,
 EPhysics_World_Solver_Mode solver_mode);
 +
 +/**
 + * @brief
   * Get world gravity values for axis x and y.
   *
   * @param world The world object.

 Modified: trunk/ephysics/src/lib/ephysics_world.cpp
 ===
 --- trunk/ephysics/src/lib/ephysics_world.cpp   2012-07-05 22:52:53 UTC
 (rev 73382)
 +++ trunk/ephysics/src/lib/ephysics_world.cpp   2012-07-05 22:53:14 UTC
 (rev 73383)
 @@ -290,6 +290,8 @@
  goto no_list;
   }

 +   world-dynamics_world-getSolverInfo().m_solverMode ^=
 +  EPHYSICS_WORLD_SOLVER_SIMD;
 world-dynamics_world-setGravity(btVector3(0, -9.8, 0));
 world-rate = 30;
 world-dynamics_world-setInternalTickCallback(_ephysics_world_tick_cb,
 @@ -496,6 +498,34 @@
  }

  EAPI void
 +ephysics_world_constraint_solver_mode_enable_set(EPhysics_World *world,
 EPhysics_World_Solver_Mode solver_mode, Eina_Bool enable)
 +{
 +   int current_solver_mode;
 +if (!world)
 + {
 +ERR(Can't enable/disable constraint solver mode, world is
 null.);
 +return;
 + }
 +
 +   current_solver_mode =
 world-dynamics_world-getSolverInfo().m_solverMode;
 +   if ((enable  !(current_solver_mode  solver_mode)) ||
 +   (!enable  (current_solver_mode  solver_mode)))
 + 

Re: [E-devel] E17 release...

2012-07-06 Thread The Rasterman
On Fri, 6 Jul 2012 11:33:37 -0300 Luis Felipe Strano Moraes
luis.str...@gmail.com said:

http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/w4h3e/e17_gets_a_release_manager/
http://www.reddit.com/r/e17/comments/w4h4s/e17_gets_a_release_manager/
http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/w4osv/e17_heading_towards_a_stable_release_no_really/

on reddit right now. vote up!
:)

 Michael,
 
 regarding slashdot and reddit, please send the links here because they
 depend on user voting in order to appear properly on the site, so if
 you share the links we can all do our best to help out.
 
 --lf
 
 
 On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 10:56 AM, Michael Blumenkrantz
 michael.blumenkra...@gmail.com wrote:
  I tried submitting to /. but I have no idea if it will get accepted
 
  On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 2:54 PM, Vincent Torri
  vincent.to...@gmail.comwrote:
 
  On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 12:16 PM, Michael Blumenkrantz
  michael.blumenkra...@gmail.com wrote:
   blog.
  
   As some of you may know, I'm managing the release of E17. Lots of bugs
  to
   fix, features to add, etc. As such, I've started a blog which will focus
   entirely on E17 release:
  
   http://e17releasemanager.wordpress.com/
  
   Circulate/spread it around as you will, publicity is a good thing. If
   anyone has any particular topics they'd like covered, feel free to post a
   comment or send me a mail.
 
  lwn, phoronix, /. are some sites to post in. My english is too bad for
  that, and last time i tried to do publicity in phoronix, i was
  ignored. I know gustavo has already successfully send news to phoronix
 
  on the french side, i'll do a post in the french website, and to the
  linux website the most read
 
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Re: [E-devel] E17 release...

2012-07-06 Thread Jeff Hoogland
There is an e17 subreddit?! Fantastic.

On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 9:52 AM, Carsten Haitzler ras...@rasterman.comwrote:

 On Fri, 6 Jul 2012 11:33:37 -0300 Luis Felipe Strano Moraes
 luis.str...@gmail.com said:

 http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/w4h3e/e17_gets_a_release_manager/
 http://www.reddit.com/r/e17/comments/w4h4s/e17_gets_a_release_manager/

 http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/w4osv/e17_heading_towards_a_stable_release_no_really/

 on reddit right now. vote up!
 :)

  Michael,
 
  regarding slashdot and reddit, please send the links here because they
  depend on user voting in order to appear properly on the site, so if
  you share the links we can all do our best to help out.
 
  --lf
 
 
  On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 10:56 AM, Michael Blumenkrantz
  michael.blumenkra...@gmail.com wrote:
   I tried submitting to /. but I have no idea if it will get accepted
  
   On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 2:54 PM, Vincent Torri
   vincent.to...@gmail.comwrote:
  
   On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 12:16 PM, Michael Blumenkrantz
   michael.blumenkra...@gmail.com wrote:
blog.
   
As some of you may know, I'm managing the release of E17. Lots of
 bugs
   to
fix, features to add, etc. As such, I've started a blog which will
 focus
entirely on E17 release:
   
http://e17releasemanager.wordpress.com/
   
Circulate/spread it around as you will, publicity is a good thing.
 If
anyone has any particular topics they'd like covered, feel free to
 post a
comment or send me a mail.
  
   lwn, phoronix, /. are some sites to post in. My english is too bad for
   that, and last time i tried to do publicity in phoronix, i was
   ignored. I know gustavo has already successfully send news to phoronix
  
   on the french side, i'll do a post in the french website, and to the
   linux website the most read
  
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Re: [E-devel] E17 release...

2012-07-06 Thread The Rasterman
On Fri, 6 Jul 2012 09:53:40 -0500 Jeff Hoogland jeffhoogl...@linux.com said:

there is. we probably should use it for any new/announcements as its an easy
place for people to susbscribe. i also posted to linux as its a bigger
readerbase and relevant anyway.

 There is an e17 subreddit?! Fantastic.
 
 On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 9:52 AM, Carsten Haitzler ras...@rasterman.comwrote:
 
  On Fri, 6 Jul 2012 11:33:37 -0300 Luis Felipe Strano Moraes
  luis.str...@gmail.com said:
 
  http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/w4h3e/e17_gets_a_release_manager/
  http://www.reddit.com/r/e17/comments/w4h4s/e17_gets_a_release_manager/
 
  http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/w4osv/e17_heading_towards_a_stable_release_no_really/
 
  on reddit right now. vote up!
  :)
 
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   On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 10:56 AM, Michael Blumenkrantz
   michael.blumenkra...@gmail.com wrote:
I tried submitting to /. but I have no idea if it will get accepted
   
On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 2:54 PM, Vincent Torri
vincent.to...@gmail.comwrote:
   
On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 12:16 PM, Michael Blumenkrantz
michael.blumenkra...@gmail.com wrote:
 blog.

 As some of you may know, I'm managing the release of E17. Lots of
  bugs
to
 fix, features to add, etc. As such, I've started a blog which will
  focus
 entirely on E17 release:

 http://e17releasemanager.wordpress.com/

 Circulate/spread it around as you will, publicity is a good thing.
  If
 anyone has any particular topics they'd like covered, feel free to
  post a
 comment or send me a mail.
   
lwn, phoronix, /. are some sites to post in. My english is too bad for
that, and last time i tried to do publicity in phoronix, i was
ignored. I know gustavo has already successfully send news to phoronix
   
on the french side, i'll do a post in the french website, and to the
linux website the most read
   
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Re: [E-devel] [Patch] [Elementary] added magnifier feature to elm_entry

2012-07-06 Thread Vincent Torri
doc is missing @since
update NEWS too

Vincent

On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 12:37 PM, Myung-Jae Lee mjae@samsung.com wrote:

 Dear all EFL developers,

 I'm trying to add entry features those are useful in the mobile envieronment 
 such as magnifier and selection block handlers.
 Some of these might be conflicted with desktop entries' functionalities or 
 meaningless in the desktop entries.
 Therefore I've splitted the patches according to the functionality and I'm 
 sending them one after another.

 The attached patch is related to the entry magnifier feature that helps user 
 move cursor easily in a mobile entry.
 This can be more useful with another selection mode in a edje_entry that 
 supports moving cursor in mouse_move.
 However as I described above, I'll send the edje_entry selection patch (that 
 will also include one more change in long press detection in an elm_entry) 
 right after this magnifier patch is accepted.
 So, please review this patch just focused on magnifier feature itself.

 I added next 2 APIs to enable or disable magnifier feature in an entry.
 - EAPI void elm_entry_magnifier_disabled_set(Evas_Object *obj, Eina_Bool 
 disabled);
 - EAPI Eina_Bool elm_entry_magnifier_disabled_get(const Evas_Object *obj);

 And below 4 functions are related to magnifier feature.
 - static void _magnifier_create(void *data);
 - static void _magnifier_show(void *data);
 - static void _magnifier_hide(void *data);
 - static void _magnifier_move(void *data, Evas_Coord x, Evas_Coord y);

 Please review this patch and feel free to give me a feedback if you have 
 questions.

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Re: [E-devel] E SVN: raster trunk/terminology

2012-07-06 Thread Gustavo Lima Chaves
* Carsten Haitzler ras...@rasterman.com [2012-07-06 20:04:53 +0900]:

One more bug report (and many thanks for the bugs fixed so far:)):

 - have you tried screen under terminology?

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Re: [E-devel] Disabling cserve blocks edje_cc

2012-07-06 Thread Rafael Antognolli
On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 10:43 AM, Thanatermesis
thanatermesis.e...@gmail.com wrote:
 If you compile evas with the option --disable-cserve2 , it will result on a
 very problematic edje_cc, for example, in the steps to compile libeweather,
 elsa, or detourious, it blocks, like waiting for a thread

 bt: http://pastebin.com/XD1FWFuX

Right, there are two main problems here.

One is that we disabled evas async preload accidentally when we
submitted cserve2, even if the server wasn't running but evas was
still compiled with support for it. Since it is enabled by default, we
also prevent this bug from happening, even though there's no reason to
keep the async render disabled. I just committed a fix to re-enable
it.

The other problem is: this bug happens even with an Evas from before
adding cserve2. It happens during the async preload of images (that
uses threads for the job), and seems to disappear if you disable
threads on edje_cc, which points me to think that some race condition
happens when enabling both of them.

So, does anyone have an idea of how to fix it? I don't know much of
edje_cc code, and didn't try to look at it now.

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Re: [E-devel] E17 BUG - Screen setup

2012-07-06 Thread Leif Middelschulte
2012/7/4 Lucas De Marchi lucas.demar...@profusion.mobi:
 Screen setup window is broken for me. It doesn't show the external
 display, but rather contains a huge scrollbar. The external monitor
 *is* connected. Apparently it's the position of the widget that is
 wrong since it appears to be in the very up corner on the right.  See
 shot01.png and shot01a.png
Hm.. the last time I used the dialog (last week or so) I didn't have
that problem (using open ati driver here).

 If I change the Show disconnected monitors and click close, E17
 completely locks up.
This is a known issue and I already requested help on it twice (e
keeps looping the deletion of e_layout iirc).


 Also, the first time it starts, there's nothing selected
 (shot02.png). When I select my main screen the elements don't fit in
 the window (shot02.png), forcing me to resize it.
I doesn't look like that on my machine, but is definetly improvable.

 See screenshots attached.


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Re: [E-devel] E17 BUG - Screen setup

2012-07-06 Thread Christopher Michael
Leif Middelschulte leif.middelschu...@gmail.com wrote:

2012/7/4 Lucas De Marchi lucas.demar...@profusion.mobi:
 Screen setup window is broken for me. It doesn't show the external
 display, but rather contains a huge scrollbar. The external monitor
 *is* connected. Apparently it's the position of the widget that is
 wrong since it appears to be in the very up corner on the right. See
 shot01.png and shot01a.png
Hm.. the last time I used the dialog (last week or so) I didn't have
that problem (using open ati driver here).

 If I change the Show disconnected monitors and click close, E17
 completely locks up.
This is a known issue and I already requested help on it twice (e
keeps looping the deletion of e_layout iirc).


 Also, the first time it starts, there's nothing selected
 (shot02.png). When I select my main screen the elements don't fit in
 the window (shot02.png), forcing me to resize it.
I doesn't look like that on my machine, but is definetly improvable.

 See screenshots attached.


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Not to worry. I am in the process of rewritting the entire dialog to be much 
more user friendly, including the randr widget which will end up being really 
cool ;-) Thanks to stephan  daniel for the idea ;-)

May have something in svn this weekend or early next week.

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Re: [E-devel] E SVN: acidx IN trunk/edje: . src/bin src/lib

2012-07-06 Thread Michael Blumenkrantz
On Fri,  6 Jul 2012 11:34:52 -0700
Enlightenment SVN no-re...@enlightenment.org wrote:

 Log:
 edje: Make state index optional
   
   This shouldn't break stuff, just make things easier.  Think of all that lost
   time  0.0.  Not anymore.  Not even in Embryo scripts.  Indexes should only
   be provided when you need them (which is quite rare).
   
   Note that if you use ``set_state(new state)'' in your Embryo scripts, the
   produced .edj files will be incompatible with older versions of Edje.  This
   backwards incompatibility only applies to Embryo scripts; edje_cc will
   generate a ``0.0'' value if the index is omitted from state declarations and
   programs.
   
   Sachiel said this patch was OK; our benevolent release manager acked as
   well. Blame them if this breaks stuff.
 
 Author:   acidx
 Date: 2012-07-06 11:34:50 -0700 (Fri, 06 Jul 2012)
 New Revision: 73424
 Trac: http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/changeset/73424
 
 Modified:
   trunk/edje/ChangeLog trunk/edje/NEWS trunk/edje/src/bin/edje_cc_handlers.c
 trunk/edje/src/lib/edje_embryo.c trunk/edje/src/lib/edje_private.h 
 

if this breaks things, I absolutely approved it. otherwise I said it was
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Re: [E-devel] E17 release...

2012-07-06 Thread Jeff Hoogland
I dropped a post on my blog about the work towards a release as well - it
is also getting some upvotes on r/linux:

http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/w4osv/e17_heading_towards_a_stable_release_no_really/

I also made a post letting people know r/e17 exists:

http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/w58fl/did_you_know_re17_exists/

The r/linux moderators said they will only add us to their side bar (along
with r/gnome/kde/xfce) once it has 800 or so readers - lets help it get
there.

On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 10:01 AM, Carsten Haitzler ras...@rasterman.comwrote:

 On Fri, 6 Jul 2012 09:53:40 -0500 Jeff Hoogland jeffhoogl...@linux.com
 said:

 there is. we probably should use it for any new/announcements as its an
 easy
 place for people to susbscribe. i also posted to linux as its a bigger
 readerbase and relevant anyway.

  There is an e17 subreddit?! Fantastic.
 
  On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 9:52 AM, Carsten Haitzler ras...@rasterman.com
 wrote:
 
   On Fri, 6 Jul 2012 11:33:37 -0300 Luis Felipe Strano Moraes
   luis.str...@gmail.com said:
  
  
 http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/w4h3e/e17_gets_a_release_manager/
   http://www.reddit.com/r/e17/comments/w4h4s/e17_gets_a_release_manager/
  
  
 http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/w4osv/e17_heading_towards_a_stable_release_no_really/
  
   on reddit right now. vote up!
   :)
  
Michael,
   
regarding slashdot and reddit, please send the links here because
 they
depend on user voting in order to appear properly on the site, so if
you share the links we can all do our best to help out.
   
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On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 10:56 AM, Michael Blumenkrantz
michael.blumenkra...@gmail.com wrote:
 I tried submitting to /. but I have no idea if it will get accepted

 On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 2:54 PM, Vincent Torri
 vincent.to...@gmail.comwrote:

 On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 12:16 PM, Michael Blumenkrantz
 michael.blumenkra...@gmail.com wrote:
  blog.
 
  As some of you may know, I'm managing the release of E17.
 Lots of
   bugs
 to
  fix, features to add, etc. As such, I've started a blog which
 will
   focus
  entirely on E17 release:
 
  http://e17releasemanager.wordpress.com/
 
  Circulate/spread it around as you will, publicity is a good
 thing.
   If
  anyone has any particular topics they'd like covered, feel free
 to
   post a
  comment or send me a mail.

 lwn, phoronix, /. are some sites to post in. My english is too
 bad for
 that, and last time i tried to do publicity in phoronix, i was
 ignored. I know gustavo has already successfully send news to
 phoronix

 on the french side, i'll do a post in the french website, and to
 the
 linux website the most read

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Re: [E-devel] E17 release...

2012-07-06 Thread Michael Blumenkrantz
On Fri, 6 Jul 2012 15:08:36 -0500
Jeff Hoogland jeffhoogl...@linux.com wrote:

 I dropped a post on my blog about the work towards a release as well - it
 is also getting some upvotes on r/linux:
 
 http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/w4osv/e17_heading_towards_a_stable_release_no_really/
 
 I also made a post letting people know r/e17 exists:
 
 http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/w58fl/did_you_know_re17_exists/
 
 The r/linux moderators said they will only add us to their side bar (along
 with r/gnome/kde/xfce) once it has 800 or so readers - lets help it get
 there.
 
 On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 10:01 AM, Carsten Haitzler ras...@rasterman.comwrote:
 
  On Fri, 6 Jul 2012 09:53:40 -0500 Jeff Hoogland jeffhoogl...@linux.com
  said:
 
  there is. we probably should use it for any new/announcements as its an
  easy
  place for people to susbscribe. i also posted to linux as its a bigger
  readerbase and relevant anyway.
 
   There is an e17 subreddit?! Fantastic.
  
   On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 9:52 AM, Carsten Haitzler ras...@rasterman.com
  wrote:
  
On Fri, 6 Jul 2012 11:33:37 -0300 Luis Felipe Strano Moraes
luis.str...@gmail.com said:
   
   
  http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/w4h3e/e17_gets_a_release_manager/
http://www.reddit.com/r/e17/comments/w4h4s/e17_gets_a_release_manager/
   
   
  http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/w4osv/e17_heading_towards_a_stable_release_no_really/
   
on reddit right now. vote up!
:)
   
 Michael,

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 you share the links we can all do our best to help out.

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 On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 10:56 AM, Michael Blumenkrantz
 michael.blumenkra...@gmail.com wrote:
  I tried submitting to /. but I have no idea if it will get accepted
 
  On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 2:54 PM, Vincent Torri
  vincent.to...@gmail.comwrote:
 
  On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 12:16 PM, Michael Blumenkrantz
  michael.blumenkra...@gmail.com wrote:
   blog.
  
   As some of you may know, I'm managing the release of E17.
  Lots of
bugs
  to
   fix, features to add, etc. As such, I've started a blog which
  will
focus
   entirely on E17 release:
  
   http://e17releasemanager.wordpress.com/
  
   Circulate/spread it around as you will, publicity is a good
  thing.
If
   anyone has any particular topics they'd like covered, feel free
  to
post a
   comment or send me a mail.
 
  lwn, phoronix, /. are some sites to post in. My english is too
  bad for
  that, and last time i tried to do publicity in phoronix, i was
  ignored. I know gustavo has already successfully send news to
  phoronix
 
  on the french side, i'll do a post in the french website, and to
  the
  linux website the most read
 
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Re: [E-devel] E SVN: barbieri IN trunk/packaging/gentoo: . x11-terms x11-terms/terminology

2012-07-06 Thread Michael Blumenkrantz
On Fri,  6 Jul 2012 12:03:59 -0700
Enlightenment SVN no-re...@enlightenment.org wrote:

 Log:
 terminology that builds with elementary using a correct category.
   
 
 Author:   barbieri
 Date: 2012-07-06 12:03:59 -0700 (Fri, 06 Jul 2012)
 New Revision: 73425
 Trac: http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/changeset/73425
 
 Added:
   trunk/packaging/gentoo/x11-terms/
 trunk/packaging/gentoo/x11-terms/terminology/
 trunk/packaging/gentoo/x11-terms/terminology/ChangeLog
 trunk/packaging/gentoo/x11-terms/terminology/Manifest
 trunk/packaging/gentoo/x11-terms/terminology/metadata.xml
 trunk/packaging/gentoo/x11-terms/terminology/terminology-.ebuild 
 
 

so frustrating that the gentoo overlay maintainer still refuses to do the
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Re: [E-devel] E SVN: barbieri IN trunk/packaging/gentoo: . x11-terms x11-terms/terminology

2012-07-06 Thread Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 5:47 PM, Michael Blumenkrantz
michael.blumenkra...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Fri,  6 Jul 2012 12:03:59 -0700
 Enlightenment SVN no-re...@enlightenment.org wrote:

 Log:
 terminology that builds with elementary using a correct category.


 Author:   barbieri
 Date: 2012-07-06 12:03:59 -0700 (Fri, 06 Jul 2012)
 New Revision: 73425
 Trac: http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/changeset/73425

 Added:
   trunk/packaging/gentoo/x11-terms/
 trunk/packaging/gentoo/x11-terms/terminology/
 trunk/packaging/gentoo/x11-terms/terminology/ChangeLog
 trunk/packaging/gentoo/x11-terms/terminology/Manifest
 trunk/packaging/gentoo/x11-terms/terminology/metadata.xml
 trunk/packaging/gentoo/x11-terms/terminology/terminology-.ebuild



 so frustrating that the gentoo overlay maintainer still refuses to do the
 package move

that's why we have our own overlay :-)


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Re: [E-devel] E SVN: davemds trunk/terminology/data/themes/images

2012-07-06 Thread Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 6:04 PM, Enlightenment SVN
no-re...@enlightenment.org wrote:
 Log:
 better icons for video knobs...they are still not .awesome. but in 14x14 
 pixel I cant do better than this

since you're at it...

why not have controls.c to use elm_ctxpopup? It would reduce the
amount of work in terminology and could(*) look better.

* nobody is using ctxpopup outside of tizen, but the contextual popup
is nice (borrowed from iOS, shamefully) and if we use, we can make it
look and behave sanely.

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Re: [E-devel] E SVN: davemds trunk/terminology/data/themes/images

2012-07-06 Thread Gustavo Lima Chaves
* Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri barbi...@profusion.mobi [2012-07-06 18:59:35 
-0300]:

 On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 6:04 PM, Enlightenment SVN
 no-re...@enlightenment.org wrote:
  Log:
  better icons for video knobs...they are still not .awesome. but in 14x14 
  pixel I cant do better than this

 since you're at it...

 why not have controls.c to use elm_ctxpopup? It would reduce the
 amount of work in terminology and could(*) look better.

 * nobody is using ctxpopup outside of tizen, but the contextual popup
 is nice (borrowed from iOS, shamefully) and if we use, we can make it
 look and behave sanely.


Raster does not like its code (figured) and does not want to rewrite
it (that would help me a lot :P). I'm afraid he's not very fond of elm
menus too, but we could try. Much better than that 'thing' we got now
on the terminal.

My 2 cents.

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Re: [E-devel] E SVN: davemds trunk/terminology/data/themes/images

2012-07-06 Thread David Seikel
On Fri, 6 Jul 2012 18:59:35 -0300 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
barbi...@profusion.mobi wrote:

 On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 6:04 PM, Enlightenment SVN
 no-re...@enlightenment.org wrote:
  Log:
  better icons for video knobs...they are still not .awesome. but in
  14x14 pixel I cant do better than this
 
 since you're at it...
 
 why not have controls.c to use elm_ctxpopup? It would reduce the
 amount of work in terminology and could(*) look better.
 
 * nobody is using ctxpopup outside of tizen, but the contextual popup
 is nice (borrowed from iOS, shamefully) and if we use, we can make it
 look and behave sanely.

Would Apple sue?

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Re: [E-devel] E SVN: davemds trunk/terminology/data/themes/images

2012-07-06 Thread Davide Andreoli
2012/7/6 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri barbi...@profusion.mobi:
 On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 6:04 PM, Enlightenment SVN
 no-re...@enlightenment.org wrote:
 Log:
 better icons for video knobs...they are still not .awesome. but in 14x14 
 pixel I cant do better than this

 since you're at it...

Not really at it, I'm working just on the media player.


 why not have controls.c to use elm_ctxpopup? It would reduce the
 amount of work in terminology and could(*) look better.
indeed
but raster done it in that way, he should explain the choice.

davemds


 * nobody is using ctxpopup outside of tizen, but the contextual popup
 is nice (borrowed from iOS, shamefully) and if we use, we can make it
 look and behave sanely.

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Re: [E-devel] E SVN: raster trunk/terminology

2012-07-06 Thread The Rasterman
On Fri, 6 Jul 2012 12:22:44 -0300 Gustavo Lima Chaves gl...@profusion.mobi
said:

 * Carsten Haitzler ras...@rasterman.com [2012-07-06 20:04:53 +0900]:
 
 One more bug report (and many thanks for the bugs fixed so far:)):
 
  - have you tried screen under terminology?

nup. i never use screen. :)

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Re: [E-devel] E SVN: davemds trunk/terminology/data/themes/images

2012-07-06 Thread Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 7:20 PM, Gustavo Lima Chaves
gl...@profusion.mobi wrote:
 * Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri barbi...@profusion.mobi [2012-07-06 18:59:35 
 -0300]:

 On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 6:04 PM, Enlightenment SVN
 no-re...@enlightenment.org wrote:
  Log:
  better icons for video knobs...they are still not .awesome. but in 14x14 
  pixel I cant do better than this

 since you're at it...

 why not have controls.c to use elm_ctxpopup? It would reduce the
 amount of work in terminology and could(*) look better.

 * nobody is using ctxpopup outside of tizen, but the contextual popup
 is nice (borrowed from iOS, shamefully) and if we use, we can make it
 look and behave sanely.


 Raster does not like its code (figured) and does not want to rewrite
 it (that would help me a lot :P). I'm afraid he's not very fond of elm
 menus too, but we could try. Much better than that 'thing' we got now
 on the terminal.

this is insane.

I also dislike the code, but I believe that avoiding it will not lead
the code to be fixed. If we use it, more likely to fix.

If we choose to just ignore it, then it's better to remove such widget
from EFL and have less to maintain.

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Re: [E-devel] E SVN: davemds trunk/terminology/data/themes/images

2012-07-06 Thread Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 7:33 PM, David Seikel onef...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Fri, 6 Jul 2012 18:59:35 -0300 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
 barbi...@profusion.mobi wrote:

 On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 6:04 PM, Enlightenment SVN
 no-re...@enlightenment.org wrote:
  Log:
  better icons for video knobs...they are still not .awesome. but in
  14x14 pixel I cant do better than this

 since you're at it...

 why not have controls.c to use elm_ctxpopup? It would reduce the
 amount of work in terminology and could(*) look better.

 * nobody is using ctxpopup outside of tizen, but the contextual popup
 is nice (borrowed from iOS, shamefully) and if we use, we can make it
 look and behave sanely.

 Would Apple sue?

I don't know these details. The concept is nothing new, it's close to
a menu or a tooltip, not sure if it's a patent on its own.

The current implementation, particularly in horizontal mode, is very,
very similar to Apple's. And the usage in Tizen is very copycat: click
to copy/paste/select...


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Re: [E-devel] E SVN: davemds trunk/terminology/data/themes/images

2012-07-06 Thread David Seikel
On Fri, 6 Jul 2012 22:45:06 -0300 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
barbi...@profusion.mobi wrote:

 On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 7:33 PM, David Seikel onef...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  On Fri, 6 Jul 2012 18:59:35 -0300 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
  barbi...@profusion.mobi wrote:
 
  On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 6:04 PM, Enlightenment SVN
  no-re...@enlightenment.org wrote:
   Log:
   better icons for video knobs...they are still not .awesome. but
   in 14x14 pixel I cant do better than this
 
  since you're at it...
 
  why not have controls.c to use elm_ctxpopup? It would reduce the
  amount of work in terminology and could(*) look better.
 
  * nobody is using ctxpopup outside of tizen, but the contextual
  popup is nice (borrowed from iOS, shamefully) and if we use, we
  can make it look and behave sanely.
 
  Would Apple sue?
 
 I don't know these details. The concept is nothing new, it's close to
 a menu or a tooltip, not sure if it's a patent on its own.

Does not seem to be stopping Apple from trying to sue Samsung and
others over other things that are not new concepts.  The software
patent system is crazy.

 The current implementation, particularly in horizontal mode, is very,
 very similar to Apple's. And the usage in Tizen is very copycat: click
 to copy/paste/select...

Shh, don't tell Apple's lawyers.

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Re: [E-devel] E SVN: davemds trunk/terminology/data/themes/images

2012-07-06 Thread The Rasterman
On Fri, 6 Jul 2012 22:43:31 -0300 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
barbi...@profusion.mobi said:

 On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 7:20 PM, Gustavo Lima Chaves
 gl...@profusion.mobi wrote:
  * Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri barbi...@profusion.mobi [2012-07-06 18:59:35
  -0300]:
 
  On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 6:04 PM, Enlightenment SVN
  no-re...@enlightenment.org wrote:
   Log:
   better icons for video knobs...they are still not .awesome. but in 14x14
   pixel I cant do better than this
 
  since you're at it...
 
  why not have controls.c to use elm_ctxpopup? It would reduce the
  amount of work in terminology and could(*) look better.
 
  * nobody is using ctxpopup outside of tizen, but the contextual popup
  is nice (borrowed from iOS, shamefully) and if we use, we can make it
  look and behave sanely.
 
 
  Raster does not like its code (figured) and does not want to rewrite
  it (that would help me a lot :P). I'm afraid he's not very fond of elm
  menus too, but we could try. Much better than that 'thing' we got now
  on the terminal.
 
 this is insane.
 
 I also dislike the code, but I believe that avoiding it will not lead
 the code to be fixed. If we use it, more likely to fix.
 
 If we choose to just ignore it, then it's better to remove such widget
 from EFL and have less to maintain.

you can't. its' released. something you always wanted and pushed for so heavily.
now you pay the price. i suspect you don't understand the concept of stable
and release, something i tried to impress on you several times when you were
pushing me to do a release (when i made eet 1.0 and now we have to maintain the
old eet disk format and the current one as a result for as long as we don't go
2.0 and 2.0 means breaking support and that drives people away, so we won't be
breaking things for a long while to come - at least until about 2016).

terminology has its ui like it is because i WANT it that way. not because i am
avoiding some widget. i literally want that because i want a specific look and
behavior. it isn't all totally polished yet and finished, but you may have
noticed it has evolved from a single options pane now to 2 that slide in
(controls then options), and i will be adding a 3rd one too.

let me ask a question. do u think chromium's ui is crap and should use popup
menus for all it settings? because terminology's setup is not that different
to what it does.

and come on people. terminology is not even 1 month old! it's 1 month birthday
is next thursday! how many apps have accomplished as many features and
usability in that time. also consider it a playground for me to test new ideas
BEFORE they become some widget we are stuck having to maintain and support!

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Re: [E-devel] E SVN: davemds trunk/terminology/data/themes/images

2012-07-06 Thread Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 11:16 PM, Carsten Haitzler ras...@rasterman.com wrote:
 On Fri, 6 Jul 2012 22:43:31 -0300 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
 barbi...@profusion.mobi said:

 On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 7:20 PM, Gustavo Lima Chaves
 gl...@profusion.mobi wrote:
  * Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri barbi...@profusion.mobi [2012-07-06 18:59:35
  -0300]:
 
  On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 6:04 PM, Enlightenment SVN
  no-re...@enlightenment.org wrote:
   Log:
   better icons for video knobs...they are still not .awesome. but in 14x14
   pixel I cant do better than this
 
  since you're at it...
 
  why not have controls.c to use elm_ctxpopup? It would reduce the
  amount of work in terminology and could(*) look better.
 
  * nobody is using ctxpopup outside of tizen, but the contextual popup
  is nice (borrowed from iOS, shamefully) and if we use, we can make it
  look and behave sanely.
 
 
  Raster does not like its code (figured) and does not want to rewrite
  it (that would help me a lot :P). I'm afraid he's not very fond of elm
  menus too, but we could try. Much better than that 'thing' we got now
  on the terminal.

 this is insane.

 I also dislike the code, but I believe that avoiding it will not lead
 the code to be fixed. If we use it, more likely to fix.

 If we choose to just ignore it, then it's better to remove such widget
 from EFL and have less to maintain.

 you can't. its' released. something you always wanted and pushed for so 
 heavily.
 now you pay the price. i suspect you don't understand the concept of stable
 and release, something i tried to impress on you several times when you were
 pushing me to do a release (when i made eet 1.0 and now we have to maintain 
 the
 old eet disk format and the current one as a result for as long as we don't go
 2.0 and 2.0 means breaking support and that drives people away, so we won't be
 breaking things for a long while to come - at least until about 2016).

we agree to disagree on concepts. To me release is about stamping the
quality of some set of code. I never like, agree or understand your
point of future promises about it.

If you were a company selling software to customers, I'd even try to
understand. But even these companies give a shit as you can see at
major vendors.


 terminology has its ui like it is because i WANT it that way. not because i am
 avoiding some widget. i literally want that because i want a specific look and
 behavior. it isn't all totally polished yet and finished, but you may have
 noticed it has evolved from a single options pane now to 2 that slide in
 (controls then options), and i will be adding a 3rd one too.

the first level is by secondary mouse button, that in every
application shows next to the cursor... except this one :-)


 let me ask a question. do u think chromium's ui is crap and should use popup
 menus for all it settings? because terminology's setup is not that different
 to what it does.

I'm okay with the settings as inside the same window.
ctxpopup is the same.


 and come on people. terminology is not even 1 month old! it's 1 month birthday
 is next thursday! how many apps have accomplished as many features and
 usability in that time. also consider it a playground for me to test new ideas
 BEFORE they become some widget we are stuck having to maintain and support!

I'm not sure about your own contracts, but if they do not mandate you
to maintain and support every widget that gets in svn, then why
bother? At least I have no single contract like that, I'm
free


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Re: [E-devel] E SVN: raster trunk/edje/src/bin

2012-07-06 Thread David Seikel
On Fri,  6 Jul 2012 19:12:22 -0700 Enlightenment SVN
no-re...@enlightenment.org wrote:

 Log:
 thats it. threads off in edje_cc by default. we need to focus on
   stability now.

I was gonna say saves me from bitching about it again, but then the
elementary compile hangs before and after getting this update.  sigh

On the compile of elementary's data/themes/default-desktop.edc if that
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Re: [E-devel] E SVN: raster trunk/edje/src/bin

2012-07-06 Thread David Seikel
On Sat, 7 Jul 2012 12:42:44 +1000 David Seikel onef...@gmail.com
wrote:

 On Fri,  6 Jul 2012 19:12:22 -0700 Enlightenment SVN
 no-re...@enlightenment.org wrote:
 
  Log:
  thats it. threads off in edje_cc by default. we need to focus on
stability now.
 
 I was gonna say saves me from bitching about it again, but then the
 elementary compile hangs before and after getting this update.  sigh
 
 On the compile of elementary's data/themes/default-desktop.edc if that
 helps.

OK, worked this time, after a more thorough clean.

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Re: [E-devel] E SVN: raster trunk/edje/src/bin

2012-07-06 Thread The Rasterman
On Sat, 7 Jul 2012 12:42:44 +1000 David Seikel onef...@gmail.com said:

 On Fri,  6 Jul 2012 19:12:22 -0700 Enlightenment SVN
 no-re...@enlightenment.org wrote:
 
  Log:
  thats it. threads off in edje_cc by default. we need to focus on
stability now.
 
 I was gonna say saves me from bitching about it again, but then the
 elementary compile hangs before and after getting this update.  sigh
 
 On the compile of elementary's data/themes/default-desktop.edc if that
 helps.

wtf? threading is off. if its async preload and cserve code.. crap...


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Re: [E-devel] E SVN: davemds trunk/terminology/data/themes/images

2012-07-06 Thread The Rasterman
On Fri, 6 Jul 2012 23:30:09 -0300 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
barbi...@profusion.mobi said:

 On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 11:16 PM, Carsten Haitzler ras...@rasterman.com
 wrote:
  On Fri, 6 Jul 2012 22:43:31 -0300 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
  barbi...@profusion.mobi said:
 
  On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 7:20 PM, Gustavo Lima Chaves
  gl...@profusion.mobi wrote:
   * Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri barbi...@profusion.mobi [2012-07-06 18:59:35
   -0300]:
  
   On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 6:04 PM, Enlightenment SVN
   no-re...@enlightenment.org wrote:
Log:
better icons for video knobs...they are still not .awesome. but in
14x14 pixel I cant do better than this
  
   since you're at it...
  
   why not have controls.c to use elm_ctxpopup? It would reduce the
   amount of work in terminology and could(*) look better.
  
   * nobody is using ctxpopup outside of tizen, but the contextual popup
   is nice (borrowed from iOS, shamefully) and if we use, we can make it
   look and behave sanely.
  
  
   Raster does not like its code (figured) and does not want to rewrite
   it (that would help me a lot :P). I'm afraid he's not very fond of elm
   menus too, but we could try. Much better than that 'thing' we got now
   on the terminal.
 
  this is insane.
 
  I also dislike the code, but I believe that avoiding it will not lead
  the code to be fixed. If we use it, more likely to fix.
 
  If we choose to just ignore it, then it's better to remove such widget
  from EFL and have less to maintain.
 
  you can't. its' released. something you always wanted and pushed for so
  heavily. now you pay the price. i suspect you don't understand the concept
  of stable and release, something i tried to impress on you several times
  when you were pushing me to do a release (when i made eet 1.0 and now we
  have to maintain the old eet disk format and the current one as a result
  for as long as we don't go 2.0 and 2.0 means breaking support and that
  drives people away, so we won't be breaking things for a long while to come
  - at least until about 2016).
 
 we agree to disagree on concepts. To me release is about stamping the
 quality of some set of code. I never like, agree or understand your
 point of future promises about it.

you may not like it, but it is REALITY. it is a reality i learned from imlib
and imlib2. people bitching and then leaving to use some other library because
their code kept breaking.

 If you were a company selling software to customers, I'd even try to
 understand. But even these companies give a shit as you can see at
 major vendors.

if you see your competition as gtk - they maintained aq stable unbroken api for
about 5 years until gtk2, 8 years until gtk3. (1998ish to 2003ish, then 2.x for
2003ish to 2011ish). gtk isn't a company selling support. qt was poorer at this
as they are up to 4 and about to hit 5 now. admittedly for a longer timeframe.
let me just put gtk now as the benchmark for stability. but even then, libc's
have maintained compatibility for much longer. many other libraries have done so
too. windows has maintained compatibility going forward for decades. if you
don't believe this is important, then you have yet to learn that lesson. i've
learned it. i vowed to ensure that efl is stable and supported once we release,
and it shall be so, because doing otherwise hurts us most amongst those that
matter most - existing people already invested in efl. people  who have decided
to give it a go and take a risk.

  terminology has its ui like it is because i WANT it that way. not because i
  am avoiding some widget. i literally want that because i want a specific
  look and behavior. it isn't all totally polished yet and finished, but you
  may have noticed it has evolved from a single options pane now to 2 that
  slide in (controls then options), and i will be adding a 3rd one too.
 
 the first level is by secondary mouse button, that in every
 application shows next to the cursor... except this one :-)

then just hold your left mouse down for a second. happy now? just like your
favorite i-products you love. :) 1 mouse button only. it should work well with
your apple hardware with its single button only ethos. ::)

  let me ask a question. do u think chromium's ui is crap and should use popup
  menus for all it settings? because terminology's setup is not that different
  to what it does.
 
 I'm okay with the settings as inside the same window.
 ctxpopup is the same.
 
 
  and come on people. terminology is not even 1 month old! it's 1 month
  birthday is next thursday! how many apps have accomplished as many features
  and usability in that time. also consider it a playground for me to test
  new ideas BEFORE they become some widget we are stuck having to maintain
  and support!
 
 I'm not sure about your own contracts, but if they do not mandate you
 to maintain and support every widget that gets in svn, then why
 bother? At least I have no single contract like that, I'm
 free

i have a 

Re: [E-devel] E SVN: raster trunk/edje/src/bin

2012-07-06 Thread The Rasterman
On Sat, 7 Jul 2012 12:55:09 +1000 David Seikel onef...@gmail.com said:

 On Sat, 7 Jul 2012 12:42:44 +1000 David Seikel onef...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
  On Fri,  6 Jul 2012 19:12:22 -0700 Enlightenment SVN
  no-re...@enlightenment.org wrote:
  
   Log:
   thats it. threads off in edje_cc by default. we need to focus on
 stability now.
  
  I was gonna say saves me from bitching about it again, but then the
  elementary compile hangs before and after getting this update.  sigh
  
  On the compile of elementary's data/themes/default-desktop.edc if that
  helps.
 
 OK, worked this time, after a more thorough clean.

it's something broken in evas's async preload stuff. literally its losing
preload callbacks. they vanish.


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Re: [E-devel] E SVN: davemds trunk/terminology/data/themes/images

2012-07-06 Thread Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 11:59 PM, Carsten Haitzler ras...@rasterman.com wrote:
 On Fri, 6 Jul 2012 23:30:09 -0300 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
 barbi...@profusion.mobi said:

 On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 11:16 PM, Carsten Haitzler ras...@rasterman.com
 wrote:
  On Fri, 6 Jul 2012 22:43:31 -0300 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
  barbi...@profusion.mobi said:
 
  On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 7:20 PM, Gustavo Lima Chaves
  gl...@profusion.mobi wrote:
   * Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri barbi...@profusion.mobi [2012-07-06 
   18:59:35
   -0300]:
  
   On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 6:04 PM, Enlightenment SVN
   no-re...@enlightenment.org wrote:
Log:
better icons for video knobs...they are still not .awesome. but in
14x14 pixel I cant do better than this
  
   since you're at it...
  
   why not have controls.c to use elm_ctxpopup? It would reduce the
   amount of work in terminology and could(*) look better.
  
   * nobody is using ctxpopup outside of tizen, but the contextual popup
   is nice (borrowed from iOS, shamefully) and if we use, we can make it
   look and behave sanely.
  
  
   Raster does not like its code (figured) and does not want to rewrite
   it (that would help me a lot :P). I'm afraid he's not very fond of elm
   menus too, but we could try. Much better than that 'thing' we got now
   on the terminal.
 
  this is insane.
 
  I also dislike the code, but I believe that avoiding it will not lead
  the code to be fixed. If we use it, more likely to fix.
 
  If we choose to just ignore it, then it's better to remove such widget
  from EFL and have less to maintain.
 
  you can't. its' released. something you always wanted and pushed for so
  heavily. now you pay the price. i suspect you don't understand the concept
  of stable and release, something i tried to impress on you several times
  when you were pushing me to do a release (when i made eet 1.0 and now we
  have to maintain the old eet disk format and the current one as a result
  for as long as we don't go 2.0 and 2.0 means breaking support and that
  drives people away, so we won't be breaking things for a long while to come
  - at least until about 2016).

 we agree to disagree on concepts. To me release is about stamping the
 quality of some set of code. I never like, agree or understand your
 point of future promises about it.

 you may not like it, but it is REALITY. it is a reality i learned from imlib
 and imlib2. people bitching and then leaving to use some other library because
 their code kept breaking.

 If you were a company selling software to customers, I'd even try to
 understand. But even these companies give a shit as you can see at
 major vendors.

 if you see your competition as gtk - they maintained aq stable unbroken api 
 for
 about 5 years until gtk2, 8 years until gtk3. (1998ish to 2003ish, then 2.x 
 for
 2003ish to 2011ish). gtk isn't a company selling support. qt was poorer at 
 this
 as they are up to 4 and about to hit 5 now. admittedly for a longer timeframe.
 let me just put gtk now as the benchmark for stability. but even then, 
 libc's
 have maintained compatibility for much longer. many other libraries have done 
 so
 too. windows has maintained compatibility going forward for decades. if you
 don't believe this is important, then you have yet to learn that lesson. i've
 learned it. i vowed to ensure that efl is stable and supported once we 
 release,
 and it shall be so, because doing otherwise hurts us most amongst those that
 matter most - existing people already invested in efl. people  who have 
 decided
 to give it a go and take a risk.

worth noting that Maemo struggled with Gtk for exactly the reason you
praise as benefit.

They needed mobile features that were not getting in because Gtk tried
to provide stability to enterprise applications... which I doubt
they had at a relevant amount given Gtk's license and API x Qt (which
was preferred by closed source enterprise grade software house) or
Java/AWS.

At the end, they were not flexible enough... and once competition
(iPhone) got ahead, they had no chance other than completely move... I
tried to put EFL in there, but we had NO RELEASES... :-)



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Re: [E-devel] E SVN: raster trunk/edje/src/bin

2012-07-06 Thread The Rasterman
On Sat, 7 Jul 2012 12:55:09 +1000 David Seikel onef...@gmail.com said:

 On Sat, 7 Jul 2012 12:42:44 +1000 David Seikel onef...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
  On Fri,  6 Jul 2012 19:12:22 -0700 Enlightenment SVN
  no-re...@enlightenment.org wrote:
  
   Log:
   thats it. threads off in edje_cc by default. we need to focus on
 stability now.
  
  I was gonna say saves me from bitching about it again, but then the
  elementary compile hangs before and after getting this update.  sigh
  
  On the compile of elementary's data/themes/default-desktop.edc if that
  helps.
 
 OK, worked this time, after a more thorough clean.

nothreads now turns off using preload in evas too (for edje_cc).


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Re: [E-devel] E SVN: davemds trunk/terminology/data/themes/images

2012-07-06 Thread The Rasterman
On Sat, 7 Jul 2012 00:19:22 -0300 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
barbi...@profusion.mobi said:

 On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 11:59 PM, Carsten Haitzler ras...@rasterman.com
 wrote:
  On Fri, 6 Jul 2012 23:30:09 -0300 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
  barbi...@profusion.mobi said:
 
  On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 11:16 PM, Carsten Haitzler ras...@rasterman.com
  wrote:
   On Fri, 6 Jul 2012 22:43:31 -0300 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
   barbi...@profusion.mobi said:
  
   On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 7:20 PM, Gustavo Lima Chaves
   gl...@profusion.mobi wrote:
* Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri barbi...@profusion.mobi [2012-07-06
18:59:35 -0300]:
   
On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 6:04 PM, Enlightenment SVN
no-re...@enlightenment.org wrote:
 Log:
 better icons for video knobs...they are still not .awesome. but in
 14x14 pixel I cant do better than this
   
since you're at it...
   
why not have controls.c to use elm_ctxpopup? It would reduce the
amount of work in terminology and could(*) look better.
   
* nobody is using ctxpopup outside of tizen, but the contextual popup
is nice (borrowed from iOS, shamefully) and if we use, we can make it
look and behave sanely.
   
   
Raster does not like its code (figured) and does not want to rewrite
it (that would help me a lot :P). I'm afraid he's not very fond of elm
menus too, but we could try. Much better than that 'thing' we got now
on the terminal.
  
   this is insane.
  
   I also dislike the code, but I believe that avoiding it will not lead
   the code to be fixed. If we use it, more likely to fix.
  
   If we choose to just ignore it, then it's better to remove such widget
   from EFL and have less to maintain.
  
   you can't. its' released. something you always wanted and pushed for so
   heavily. now you pay the price. i suspect you don't understand the
   concept of stable and release, something i tried to impress on you
   several times when you were pushing me to do a release (when i made eet
   1.0 and now we have to maintain the old eet disk format and the current
   one as a result for as long as we don't go 2.0 and 2.0 means breaking
   support and that drives people away, so we won't be breaking things for
   a long while to come
   - at least until about 2016).
 
  we agree to disagree on concepts. To me release is about stamping the
  quality of some set of code. I never like, agree or understand your
  point of future promises about it.
 
  you may not like it, but it is REALITY. it is a reality i learned from imlib
  and imlib2. people bitching and then leaving to use some other library
  because their code kept breaking.
 
  If you were a company selling software to customers, I'd even try to
  understand. But even these companies give a shit as you can see at
  major vendors.
 
  if you see your competition as gtk - they maintained aq stable unbroken api
  for about 5 years until gtk2, 8 years until gtk3. (1998ish to 2003ish, then
  2.x for 2003ish to 2011ish). gtk isn't a company selling support. qt was
  poorer at this as they are up to 4 and about to hit 5 now. admittedly for a
  longer timeframe. let me just put gtk now as the benchmark for stability.
  but even then, libc's have maintained compatibility for much longer. many
  other libraries have done so too. windows has maintained compatibility
  going forward for decades. if you don't believe this is important, then you
  have yet to learn that lesson. i've learned it. i vowed to ensure that efl
  is stable and supported once we release, and it shall be so, because doing
  otherwise hurts us most amongst those that matter most - existing people
  already invested in efl. people  who have decided to give it a go and take
  a risk.
 
 worth noting that Maemo struggled with Gtk for exactly the reason you
 praise as benefit.
 
 They needed mobile features that were not getting in because Gtk tried
 to provide stability to enterprise applications... which I doubt
 they had at a relevant amount given Gtk's license and API x Qt (which
 was preferred by closed source enterprise grade software house) or
 Java/AWS.

gtk didn't ADD features. nothing to do with breaking compatibility.

 At the end, they were not flexible enough... and once competition
 (iPhone) got ahead, they had no chance other than completely move... I
 tried to put EFL in there, but we had NO RELEASES... :-)

and we'd have been ditched for qt anyway. :) probably a good thing.

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Re: [E-devel] E SVN: davemds trunk/terminology/data/themes/images

2012-07-06 Thread Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 12:28 AM, Carsten Haitzler ras...@rasterman.com wrote:
 On Sat, 7 Jul 2012 00:19:22 -0300 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
 barbi...@profusion.mobi said:

 On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 11:59 PM, Carsten Haitzler ras...@rasterman.com
 wrote:
  On Fri, 6 Jul 2012 23:30:09 -0300 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
  barbi...@profusion.mobi said:
 
  On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 11:16 PM, Carsten Haitzler ras...@rasterman.com
  wrote:
   On Fri, 6 Jul 2012 22:43:31 -0300 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
   barbi...@profusion.mobi said:
  
   On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 7:20 PM, Gustavo Lima Chaves
   gl...@profusion.mobi wrote:
* Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri barbi...@profusion.mobi [2012-07-06
18:59:35 -0300]:
   
On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 6:04 PM, Enlightenment SVN
no-re...@enlightenment.org wrote:
 Log:
 better icons for video knobs...they are still not .awesome. but in
 14x14 pixel I cant do better than this
   
since you're at it...
   
why not have controls.c to use elm_ctxpopup? It would reduce the
amount of work in terminology and could(*) look better.
   
* nobody is using ctxpopup outside of tizen, but the contextual 
popup
is nice (borrowed from iOS, shamefully) and if we use, we can make 
it
look and behave sanely.
   
   
Raster does not like its code (figured) and does not want to rewrite
it (that would help me a lot :P). I'm afraid he's not very fond of 
elm
menus too, but we could try. Much better than that 'thing' we got now
on the terminal.
  
   this is insane.
  
   I also dislike the code, but I believe that avoiding it will not lead
   the code to be fixed. If we use it, more likely to fix.
  
   If we choose to just ignore it, then it's better to remove such widget
   from EFL and have less to maintain.
  
   you can't. its' released. something you always wanted and pushed for so
   heavily. now you pay the price. i suspect you don't understand the
   concept of stable and release, something i tried to impress on you
   several times when you were pushing me to do a release (when i made eet
   1.0 and now we have to maintain the old eet disk format and the current
   one as a result for as long as we don't go 2.0 and 2.0 means breaking
   support and that drives people away, so we won't be breaking things for
   a long while to come
   - at least until about 2016).
 
  we agree to disagree on concepts. To me release is about stamping the
  quality of some set of code. I never like, agree or understand your
  point of future promises about it.
 
  you may not like it, but it is REALITY. it is a reality i learned from 
  imlib
  and imlib2. people bitching and then leaving to use some other library
  because their code kept breaking.
 
  If you were a company selling software to customers, I'd even try to
  understand. But even these companies give a shit as you can see at
  major vendors.
 
  if you see your competition as gtk - they maintained aq stable unbroken api
  for about 5 years until gtk2, 8 years until gtk3. (1998ish to 2003ish, then
  2.x for 2003ish to 2011ish). gtk isn't a company selling support. qt was
  poorer at this as they are up to 4 and about to hit 5 now. admittedly for a
  longer timeframe. let me just put gtk now as the benchmark for stability.
  but even then, libc's have maintained compatibility for much longer. many
  other libraries have done so too. windows has maintained compatibility
  going forward for decades. if you don't believe this is important, then you
  have yet to learn that lesson. i've learned it. i vowed to ensure that efl
  is stable and supported once we release, and it shall be so, because doing
  otherwise hurts us most amongst those that matter most - existing people
  already invested in efl. people  who have decided to give it a go and take
  a risk.

 worth noting that Maemo struggled with Gtk for exactly the reason you
 praise as benefit.

 They needed mobile features that were not getting in because Gtk tried
 to provide stability to enterprise applications... which I doubt
 they had at a relevant amount given Gtk's license and API x Qt (which
 was preferred by closed source enterprise grade software house) or
 Java/AWS.

 gtk didn't ADD features. nothing to do with breaking compatibility.

actually what got in the way was the Gtk windowed widgets. They
struggled a lot to get to windowless widgets as EFL did forever...
they call they got it, but I've heard there are some stuff left here
and there.

they did not change to avoid breaking compat.


 At the end, they were not flexible enough... and once competition
 (iPhone) got ahead, they had no chance other than completely move... I
 tried to put EFL in there, but we had NO RELEASES... :-)

 and we'd have been ditched for qt anyway. :) probably a good thing.

IOW: I'm always right ;-)

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Re: [E-devel] E SVN: davemds trunk/terminology/data/themes/images

2012-07-06 Thread The Rasterman
On Sat, 7 Jul 2012 00:30:25 -0300 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
barbi...@profusion.mobi said:

 On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 12:28 AM, Carsten Haitzler ras...@rasterman.com
 wrote:
  On Sat, 7 Jul 2012 00:19:22 -0300 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
  barbi...@profusion.mobi said:
 
  On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 11:59 PM, Carsten Haitzler ras...@rasterman.com
  wrote:
   On Fri, 6 Jul 2012 23:30:09 -0300 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
   barbi...@profusion.mobi said:
  
   On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 11:16 PM, Carsten Haitzler ras...@rasterman.com
   wrote:
On Fri, 6 Jul 2012 22:43:31 -0300 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
barbi...@profusion.mobi said:
   
On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 7:20 PM, Gustavo Lima Chaves
gl...@profusion.mobi wrote:
 * Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri barbi...@profusion.mobi [2012-07-06
 18:59:35 -0300]:

 On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 6:04 PM, Enlightenment SVN
 no-re...@enlightenment.org wrote:
  Log:
  better icons for video knobs...they are still not .awesome. but
  in 14x14 pixel I cant do better than this

 since you're at it...

 why not have controls.c to use elm_ctxpopup? It would reduce the
 amount of work in terminology and could(*) look better.

 * nobody is using ctxpopup outside of tizen, but the contextual
 popup is nice (borrowed from iOS, shamefully) and if we use, we
 can make it look and behave sanely.


 Raster does not like its code (figured) and does not want to
 rewrite it (that would help me a lot :P). I'm afraid he's not very
 fond of elm menus too, but we could try. Much better than that
 'thing' we got now on the terminal.
   
this is insane.
   
I also dislike the code, but I believe that avoiding it will not lead
the code to be fixed. If we use it, more likely to fix.
   
If we choose to just ignore it, then it's better to remove such
widget from EFL and have less to maintain.
   
you can't. its' released. something you always wanted and pushed for
so heavily. now you pay the price. i suspect you don't understand the
concept of stable and release, something i tried to impress on you
several times when you were pushing me to do a release (when i made
eet 1.0 and now we have to maintain the old eet disk format and the
current one as a result for as long as we don't go 2.0 and 2.0 means
breaking support and that drives people away, so we won't be breaking
things for a long while to come
- at least until about 2016).
  
   we agree to disagree on concepts. To me release is about stamping the
   quality of some set of code. I never like, agree or understand your
   point of future promises about it.
  
   you may not like it, but it is REALITY. it is a reality i learned from
   imlib and imlib2. people bitching and then leaving to use some other
   library because their code kept breaking.
  
   If you were a company selling software to customers, I'd even try to
   understand. But even these companies give a shit as you can see at
   major vendors.
  
   if you see your competition as gtk - they maintained aq stable unbroken
   api for about 5 years until gtk2, 8 years until gtk3. (1998ish to
   2003ish, then 2.x for 2003ish to 2011ish). gtk isn't a company selling
   support. qt was poorer at this as they are up to 4 and about to hit 5
   now. admittedly for a longer timeframe. let me just put gtk now as the
   benchmark for stability. but even then, libc's have maintained
   compatibility for much longer. many other libraries have done so too.
   windows has maintained compatibility going forward for decades. if you
   don't believe this is important, then you have yet to learn that lesson.
   i've learned it. i vowed to ensure that efl is stable and supported once
   we release, and it shall be so, because doing otherwise hurts us most
   amongst those that matter most - existing people already invested in
   efl. people  who have decided to give it a go and take a risk.
 
  worth noting that Maemo struggled with Gtk for exactly the reason you
  praise as benefit.
 
  They needed mobile features that were not getting in because Gtk tried
  to provide stability to enterprise applications... which I doubt
  they had at a relevant amount given Gtk's license and API x Qt (which
  was preferred by closed source enterprise grade software house) or
  Java/AWS.
 
  gtk didn't ADD features. nothing to do with breaking compatibility.
 
 actually what got in the way was the Gtk windowed widgets. They
 struggled a lot to get to windowless widgets as EFL did forever...
 they call they got it, but I've heard there are some stuff left here
 and there.
 
 they did not change to avoid breaking compat.

they could have in parallel done a new set of widgets inside a canvas.. hell
there was a gnome canvas... they just didnt want to make a parallel system. :)
yes - removing windows breaks compat or is very hard to do without... :)

  At the end, they were not flexible