Re: [E-devel] LiMo4 announced, EFL!
On 19 Feb 2011, at 19:19, Christopher Michael wrote: On 02/19/2011 11:11 AM, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: On Tue, 15 Feb 2011 15:12:57 +0100 Thomas Gstädtnertho...@gstaedtner.net said: On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 22:03, Jeff Hooglandjeffhoogl...@gmail.com wrote: Are there any handsets out there that use LiMo currently? There is a bigger number of LiMo devices out there, sold exclusively by Vodafone as Vodafone 360 with the devices Samsung H1 (SGH-i8320, aka protector) and the Samsung M1 (SGH-i6410). These devices use the whole LiMo pre-4 stack, so a GNU/Linux variant with gtk/clutter GUI without EFL and a Vodafone UI, based on gtk/clutter, too. However, despite the use of a ton of open source software, these devices are completely locked down, it is not easily possible to run own software on it, and practically not possible to develop software for it as a individual without getting some kind of license. There might be other, locked down, LiMo devices out there, too. To be honest: I'm still not convinced, that EFL based LiMo4 will be all that different, at least with previous LiMo variants the goal was not to get open devices with open source software to the people, the goal was to get operators and manufacturers an open source OS that they could change to their needs to maximize their profit, similar to the concept behind android. All of them run proprietary UIs that do not allow 3rd party GUI applications (and practically not any other 3rd party applications, though that is at least possible due to lacking security measures). Anyway, I hope Samsung realizes that there is no place for this business model besides android and windows phone (hell, there might not even be place for the latter, despite the enormous amount of money and the huge brand name put into it) and they give the open source community the chance to do something great, by providing proper hardware with a proper and open OS. I'm partially excited that there is the possibility we could get that, but on the other hand I'm a realist, not an idealist, so I know that the chance is rather slim, as history has shown. I guess we all have to put our faith into raster and all the other open source enthusiasts involved in the project (shout out to all the nice samsung guys participating here!), that they can convince the management to do the right thing (or maybe already have). i'll be plain here. management ARE on the side of being open. having a proper sdk and being able to develop for the platform. doing anything else in this day and age now is just silly. as such there is a real commitment to open source. i don't think you can be fully convinced until such a time as everything is out and visible, but for now you'll have to trust me. i didn't agree to join samsung because they were going the wrong way. i agreed to join because i was assured by the right levels at samsung that there is serious intent to do the right thing - not just use open source, but give back, play not just by the letter of the license, but by the spirit too. there is real desire and intent. the hard bit is turning it into real action where ALL i's are dotted and t's are crossed. as long as i'm here, not just complying with open source licenses, but following the spirit will be something i will push and champion. i hope by now i've earned the trust of people over my many years of open source commitment, that i genuinely believe this and intend to do what i say i will. +1 in the trust department ;) ~~ In Rasterman We Trust ~~ dh but just remember - there is always a commercial side that can't go trumpeting all the details of products long before they are released or officially announced. for now you will have to trust me that there is real desire and commitment to open source and linux. -- The ultimate all-in-one performance toolkit: Intel(R) Parallel Studio XE: Pinpoint memory and threading errors before they happen. Find and fix more than 250 security defects in the development cycle. Locate bottlenecks in serial and parallel code that limit performance. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devfeb ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel -- The ultimate all-in-one performance toolkit: Intel(R) Parallel Studio XE: Pinpoint memory and threading errors before they happen. Find and fix more than 250 security defects in the development cycle. Locate bottlenecks in serial and parallel code that limit performance. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devfeb ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
[E-devel] Evas icon
An icon for Evas, to put on the website. Hope you guys like it (suggestions are welcome) http://lpetkov.net/files/e/evas_icon_256x256.png (eventually will make for all libs) --Mano Lachezar P. Petkov --- http://lpetkov.net Skype: lachezar.p.petkov IRC: ManoWarrior -- The ultimate all-in-one performance toolkit: Intel(R) Parallel Studio XE: Pinpoint memory and threading errors before they happen. Find and fix more than 250 security defects in the development cycle. Locate bottlenecks in serial and parallel code that limit performance. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devfeb ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Evas icon
On 15 Feb 2011, at 21:23, Tom Hacohen wrote: On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 11:02 PM, Luchezar Petkov luchezar.pet...@gmail.com wrote: An icon for Evas, to put on the website. Hope you guys like it (suggestions are welcome) http://lpetkov.net/files/e/evas_icon_256x256.png It's cool and a cool idea, but I have two comments: 1. I don't think it scales well to smaller sizes, will just look like a mesh of colors. True, but I don't expect the icon to be used in sizes smaller than 128x128. 48x looks fine, but if anyone wants a 33x/16x i'll have to actually redraw it in a different perspective to make it work. 2. I don't think it describes Evas good enough. That's the best visual metaphor I could think of to describe a software canvas library... I'm not really competent on how the lib functions (although i'm quite geeky i'm not a software developer), so again - suggestions are welcome. Again, cool idea. :) -- Tom. -- The ultimate all-in-one performance toolkit: Intel(R) Parallel Studio XE: Pinpoint memory and threading errors before they happen. Find and fix more than 250 security defects in the development cycle. Locate bottlenecks in serial and parallel code that limit performance. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devfeb ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Evas icon
On 15 Feb 2011, at 21:35, Leif Middelschulte wrote: 2011/2/15 Tom Hacohen t...@stosb.com: On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 11:02 PM, Luchezar Petkov luchezar.pet...@gmail.com wrote: An icon for Evas, to put on the website. Hope you guys like it (suggestions are welcome) http://lpetkov.net/files/e/evas_icon_256x256.png It's cool and a cool idea, but I have two comments: 1. I don't think it scales well to smaller sizes, will just look like a mesh of colors. 2. I don't think it describes Evas good enough. Might be a good idea to collect metaphors alongside explenations for each library so the designers can come up with appropriate icons. Evas: - (Puppet)theaterstage as Evas is a stateaware canvas library Not sure if thats a better metaphor. I say lets be more general - you can't say everything in an icon or in a logo. I'm concentrating on providing a metaphor for a canvas library, even though there are probably several kinds of canvas libs, with different features, they do things in different ways, etc Again, cool idea. :) Agree 100% here :-) Keep the art coming ;-) Thanks ;-) BR, Leif -- Tom. -- The ultimate all-in-one performance toolkit: Intel(R) Parallel Studio XE: Pinpoint memory and threading errors before they happen. Find and fix more than 250 security defects in the development cycle. Locate bottlenecks in serial and parallel code that limit performance. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devfeb ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel -- The ultimate all-in-one performance toolkit: Intel(R) Parallel Studio XE: Pinpoint memory and threading errors before they happen. Find and fix more than 250 security defects in the development cycle. Locate bottlenecks in serial and parallel code that limit performance. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devfeb ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] EFL 1.0 this weekend
On 27 Jan 2011, at 05:30, Vincent Torri wrote: Hey Also, we have not spoken about advertising. There are phoronix, osnews, /. and i will also mention the releases to a french linux website. Freshmeat can also be of help. Others ? (italian or german or countries linux websites). Maybe we should have a list of those websites where we *must* do advertising. Ars Technica? Maybe interview Rastie (and/or others important devs) so news sites can write their articles based on the interview(s) and not just an announcement? Vincent [1] https://thomas.apestaart.org/moap/trac [2] https://thomas.apestaart.org/moap/trac/browser/trunk/README -- Special Offer-- Download ArcSight Logger for FREE (a $49 USD value)! Finally, a world-class log management solution at an even better price-free! Download using promo code Free_Logger_4_Dev2Dev. Offer expires February 28th, so secure your free ArcSight Logger TODAY! http://p.sf.net/sfu/arcsight-sfd2d ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel -- Special Offer-- Download ArcSight Logger for FREE (a $49 USD value)! Finally, a world-class log management solution at an even better price-free! Download using promo code Free_Logger_4_Dev2Dev. Offer expires February 28th, so secure your free ArcSight Logger TODAY! http://p.sf.net/sfu/arcsight-sfd2d ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] web site contents
i promised some images/icons/logos/etc will talk to raster as soon as you guys figure out what you want/need and I have some time. On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 12:33 AM, Carsten Haitzler ras...@rasterman.comwrote: On Tue, 9 Nov 2010 06:51:38 +1000 David Seikel onef...@gmail.com said: All well and good, but can someone with a clue fix up TRAC? Personally I have no clue about TRAC. If my recent experience is any guide, no one can just create an account and start using it, all they get is error messages, no ability to comment on or create stuff. That's one BIG turn off right there. I was trying to do the right thing about the focus bugs, but failed completely to be able to figure out how to actually enter any useful text, and I'm a very experienced developer. I even asked on the mailing list with no reply other than yeah, you get those error messages until raster manually recreates your account. Not even a i've fix0red your account dave message from raster. Certainly no the button to make comments or create new bug tickets is in THIS bleeding obvious place you blind moron reply. So linking things to TRAC is kinda pointless, until it works right. indeed. as such i CANT re-create your account. i can only delete it. YOU have to re-create. i did this once for 1 person and their account then worked. i don't know what/why. but i can't just fix it. someone who knows what the issue is needs to do so, but i dont have the time or patience to go digging through trac to figure it out. -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)ras...@rasterman.com -- The Next 800 Companies to Lead America's Growth: New Video Whitepaper David G. Thomson, author of the best-selling book Blueprint to a Billion shares his insights and actions to help propel your business during the next growth cycle. Listen Now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/SAP-dev2dev ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel -- Luchezar P. Petkov http://luchko.net -- The Next 800 Companies to Lead America's Growth: New Video Whitepaper David G. Thomson, author of the best-selling book Blueprint to a Billion shares his insights and actions to help propel your business during the next growth cycle. Listen Now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/SAP-dev2dev ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
[E-devel] my new blog for planet
Hi, Dunno who is in charge for this, but just make Lachezar Petkov to link to http://lpetkov.net 's feed. Thanks. Best Regards, Luchezar Petkov -- ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] E17 in Twitter...
I was actually supposed to run a blog about E stuff, but due to... a lot of reasons I stopped. It wasn't anything official (not linked from e.org) anyway. Afaik someone else made the same effort (in the same time with me, thats one of the reasons)Last time I talked with people (well, programmers..) about this stuff we figured its enough to just have up to date news on the site with RSS and all. Then having a blog wont be needed. Twitter is another thing, tho, so if you or someone else wants to twit stuff about whats happening in E - just go ahead. I wish lots of followers. I think the biggest problem here is that we actually don't ... make much news related to end users. Code is being commited daily, but thats mostly cleanups, (small) bug fixes, refactoring, etc. Not much new features added to E, nor some really cool apps are being actively developed. And blogs and Twitter are for the end users who just want to follow the progress of the E project. The others are subscribing to e-users, devs are on this ml and certainly don't need additional ways to inform themselves. On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 12:48 PM, Massimiliano Calamelli mcalame...@gmail.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, 14 May 2009 10:32:38 +0200 Thomas Gstädtner tho...@gstaedtner.net wrote: Of course he is free to do whatever he wants, it's a free world (erm, however). I'm sure this won't keep him from doing his work, but I'm still a little disappointed that there is so much discussion about the latest web2.0 services while in the last 2 years there has been less than 30 minutes work on writing for e.org stuff. I confirm that I want to go on, for now; it is too earl for me to see if this test is useful or not. Anyway I'll keep in mind your and other's objection, this discussion is very useful, imho. Before there are any complaints about me complaining and not actually doing stuff: I'd be free to write small news/articles about new stuff in E world (taking from the svn commits and discussion on the ML which I follow). If there won't be a possibility to do this directly on e.org, maybe planet.e.org would be a way if andres improves it like he said. However, with the information being available on twitter this would of course be redundant, so I'm not sure if it's still a good idea. I want to be clear, again. NEWS/ARTICLES/BLOG ARE FUNDAMENTAL FOR OUR COMMUNITY. ANYONE THAT WANTS TO DO THAT ARE WELCOME. And about planet.e.org, it is a good start, but imho we need more than an aggregator, we need something more official, something like a corporate blog. I'm not so skilled about english to do that, i usually write about E in my blog, only in italian language. Last (for now, i've to tweet about latest commits :) ), i think having tweets and posts/articles is not redundant, there are not comparable. If you like RSS feed, you can subcribe to the RSS blog stream, and if you like Twitter, you can start follow our (unofficial) account. There's some redundancy if you follow edevel on twitter AND you subscribe to the RSS stream of this account, but this is not our problem, it is just your choice. Let me do a little example of what i do for my posts (obviously imo this is a good way); ah, note that i'm registered to Twitter (T), FriendFeed (FF) and Facebook (FB). When I write a new post: * FF detects an activity in my RSS stream, got title and URL * FF add this new entry in my streamline * FF shortens the URL, and make a tweet with title and short URL in my T streamline * I linked the T status to the FB status, so every tweet changes my FB status What i got? With one shot I notified all of my contacs that follow me by RSS feed in blog, FF, T and FB. With this little chain I cover four different way to tell to my friends/contacts that i done something new. I'm not saying we have to do that for E, this is sure, it is just to explain because i think the twitter presence non redundant. if raster stops hacking and starts twittering then I'd find out a FUCKING HUGE STICK and beat him to death :-) You'd have to lend me that stick. :) Please be careful about my head :) Massimiliano - -- Massimiliano Calamelli http://www.mcalamelli.net mcalame...@gmail.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) iD8DBQFKC/b0leGEL56NNP4RAganAJ0VxLXEvyV2ccQAY914E9Pk0JRINACgkw+Z WulMQYH+hfWNBktdpAKW8ds= =gW5K -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- The NEW KODAK i700 Series Scanners deliver under ANY circumstances! Your production scanning environment may not be a perfect world - but thanks to Kodak, there's a perfect scanner to get the job done! With the NEW KODAK i700 Series Scanner you'll get full speed at 300 dpi even with all image processing features enabled. http://p.sf.net/sfu/kodak-com ___
Re: [E-devel] E17 in Twitter...
On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 1:32 PM, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri barbi...@profusion.mobi wrote: On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 8:10 AM, Luchezar Petkov luchezar.pet...@gmail.com wrote: I think the biggest problem here is that we actually don't ... make much news related to end users. Code is being commited daily, but thats mostly cleanups, (small) bug fixes, refactoring, etc. Not much new features added to E, nor some really cool apps are being actively developed. And blogs and Twitter are for the end users who just want to follow the progress of the E project. The others are subscribing to e-users, devs are on this ml and certainly don't need additional ways to inform themselves. I really disagree with this. Over the past months we dig, among other things: - systray, getting ride of one of the most requested gadgets. - lots of efm improvements, progress indicator and all. - places menu was integrated, sharing gtk-bookmarks with gnome/gtk apps. - fdo icons and option to let users override e icons with fdo icon set. - offline and presentation modes. - parallax effect for desktop panning/background. - edge bindings. - scaling factors. - ui improvements as syscon and conf modules, with better dialogs. having someone that is not the developer to write small articles (blog) or just announcing its existence (twitter) would help people to know about that, how e17 is changing and etc... But we should not receive drastic changes, at least not many, in the next months. While raster still plan to finish wallpaper2 and move other dialogs to be similar to it (init themes, themes...), we're doing http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/wiki/Release and quite close to finish it on the user interface front. Excuse me then, I should have checked and payed more attention on this things before wriing. Well then I see no problem with people twittering about this stuff, maybe the twits can even appear on E's front page as news or .. short news (there's plenty of white space anyway). -- Luchezar P. Petkov http://luchko.net -- The NEW KODAK i700 Series Scanners deliver under ANY circumstances! Your production scanning environment may not be a perfect world - but thanks to Kodak, there's a perfect scanner to get the job done! With the NEW KODAK i700 Series Scanner you'll get full speed at 300 dpi even with all image processing features enabled. http://p.sf.net/sfu/kodak-com ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Compiling E17 on OSX
I'm a OS X user, can you provide instructions how to help? On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 8:39 PM, Vincent Torri vto...@univ-evry.fr wrote: On Wed, 15 Apr 2009, Andrew Williams wrote: -- Luchezar P. Petkov http://luchko.net -- Stay on top of everything new and different, both inside and around Java (TM) technology - register by April 22, and save $200 on the JavaOne (SM) conference, June 2-5, 2009, San Francisco. 300 plus technical and hands-on sessions. Register today. Use priority code J9JMT32. http://p.sf.net/sfu/p ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] A call for little help
um, just in case my name confuses you - I'm Mano(Warrior). ;-) -- This SF.net email is sponsored by: High Quality Requirements in a Collaborative Environment. Download a free trial of Rational Requirements Composer Now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-ibm-com ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Efm development
I may pop in with UX suggestions (mockups, etc). -- ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] ethumb in svn
On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 07:08:46PM -0300, Rafael Antognolli wrote: Hi, I uploaded a new library to creating thumbnails - Ethumb. It still have few features compared to epsilon, but this list will grow soon. I think the code is clean and easy to extend. Is it meant to replace Epsilon? I'm am expecting comments about possible features, coding style, bugs and any other feedback. For now the features list is: - FDO icons generation; - custom sized thumbnails; - aspect and format setup; - an edje frame can be added to customize the thumbnail; Regards, -- Rafael Antognolli -- ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel -- ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Being social...
Well, don't split the fbook community, you guys decide which group you like the best and lets delete the rest. There're two E17 groups on facebook, Enlightenment ( http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=983647# ) and Enlightenment (E17) users ( http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=983647#/group.php? gid=46606068563ref=ts ) I created e-users 'cause I couldn't find the Enlightenment group, doh :| Massimiliano -- Apps built with the Adobe(R) Flex(R) framework and Flex Builder(TM) are powering Web 2.0 with engaging, cross-platform capabilities. Quickly and easily build your RIAs with Flex Builder, the Eclipse(TM)based development software that enables intelligent coding and step-through debugging. Download the free 60 day trial. http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-adobe-com ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel Luchezar Petkov http://luchko.net -- Apps built with the Adobe(R) Flex(R) framework and Flex Builder(TM) are powering Web 2.0 with engaging, cross-platform capabilities. Quickly and easily build your RIAs with Flex Builder, the Eclipse(TM)based development software that enables intelligent coding and step-through debugging. Download the free 60 day trial. http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-adobe-com ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] E SVN: slackd00d trunk/e
Agreed. On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 11:06 PM, Brian 'morlenxus' Miculcy morlen...@gmx.net wrote: Yes, that's the normal way. That list would grow really fast if everyone does that way. So if he didn't work on e, he should be removed until everyone is ok with it. Greets, Mano. -- Luchezar P. Petkov http://luchko.net -- Open Source Business Conference (OSBC), March 24-25, 2009, San Francisco, CA -OSBC tackles the biggest issue in open source: Open Sourcing the Enterprise -Strategies to boost innovation and cut costs with open source participation -Receive a $600 discount off the registration fee with the source code: SFAD http://p.sf.net/sfu/XcvMzF8H ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Proposal for modules automatic download
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12/15/08 3:17 PM, Matteo wrote: Hi, Do you think that in the future plans could be useful a button for automatic select and download (from the net) third-party modules that e17 could have? I mean: I saw that Massimiliano has integrated the wallpaper selection with an useful button for download the wallpaper from the e17 website directly from the wallpaper selection interface, so I'm asking you: do you think that could be useful to made the same thing to modules selection form? It could be useful to have a central widget repository to download from, every user interested in making widget could subscribe and upload his work, and every e17 user could benefit from this. Regards I think this is a good idea. Firefox 3.x has a great integration with AMO (addons.mozilla.org). See Tools Add-ons Get Add-ons. It loads basic info and a screenshot of some popular stuff and the user can download and install the thing he/she wants with just one click. Similar thing could be done in E and Exchange. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.8 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAklGeJAACgkQBPWeYFFltb+kgACeP+EP9hQNlqKwwojgmWVRAWJn Rh4An1QItFaLJd/BboMIiTN/MAtnXVlZ =Zaj8 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- SF.Net email is Sponsored by MIX09, March 18-20, 2009 in Las Vegas, Nevada. The future of the web can't happen without you. Join us at MIX09 to help pave the way to the Next Web now. Learn more and register at http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;208669438;13503038;i?http://2009.visitmix.com/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Bugfix for screenshot module
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12/14/08 6:13 PM, Christopher Michael wrote: Andreas, I went and applied the code patch to cvs...thanks I know how much you'd love to read this: It's SVN now, not CVS ;-) - --Mano -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.8 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAklFQ1sACgkQBPWeYFFltb+RpQCeIMOMAWYAk0m+Nls4UuZlD/92 7ggAoMjtX7tSl7peovWRU1yH0c5RrX5V =0RV9 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- SF.Net email is Sponsored by MIX09, March 18-20, 2009 in Las Vegas, Nevada. The future of the web can't happen without you. Join us at MIX09 to help pave the way to the Next Web now. Learn more and register at http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;208669438;13503038;i?http://2009.visitmix.com/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] EFM: thoughts, current work et al.
On 28/11/2008, at 12.15, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote: On Fri, Nov 28, 2008 at 3:29 AM, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 28 Nov 2008 00:23:08 -0200 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 8:46 PM, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 27 Nov 2008 20:54:36 +0100 Chidambar 'ilLogict' Zinnoury 2. all operations (copy, move, delete) have no progress on screen - if there is a queue of work (like delete this dir then copy this to here, move this to here etc.) you can't see it. the idea was to put such status inside the efm window in-line with where the action was initiated or where it belongs (eg if u delete a file in a dir then put the status in that dir). what to do when window is closed? and when that folder is viewed again? I'd like to have the progress even if I close the window... either do not close it or when you close detach the progress status. should have some central operations manager window which can list all the tasks being worked on. doesnt have to be fancy as it hopefully wont be needed often :) 4. removable device handling (done via hal and dbus at least for the raw nuts and bolts) mostly seems to work but is a bit hackey the way it writes .desktop files to ~/.e/e/fileman/favorites then forcibly symlinks them to your Desktop - this could be cleaned up and made more robust with more options (eg also put them on other desktops eg Desktop-1 and -2 etc.). I hate these links. IMHO they should be transparent. you mean - not be files on disk? yes - it's ugly - but doing it the way i did was easiest as it re-used an existing code path :) Actually, the idea would be to follow kde's path to have directory views of EFM and selectively choose to show devices. That way we can just have a EFM view with show devices to show our ~/Desktop as a gadman. We can even have multiple views in the same desktops (ie: ~/ and ~/Desktop) or different views per desktops (~/Desktop-1, ~/Desktop-2...) yeah - the problem is efm REQUIRES a file to back every icon in the view - no file. no icon. so you need to create one. you'd have to change this code which isnt trivial. With that I could choose to view ~/.empty-folder and show devices to list just the external devices. yup. as above. not so easy :) 8. renaming files has a dialog - this is because it was hard to do before. now we can rename in-place. edje's own entry can now do this. this needs changing. Even with edje support is remains difficult. You must ensure that the edited text is visible (ie: you're editing next to a border, you should pan/scroll to make sure it is visible). correct. of course this comes with its list of gotchas - like everything :) 11. while i'm at it the open with.. dialog is not bad - but the 2- list thing needs to go. 1 list. also ilist is again abused with a massive list of stuff (poor ilist. i need to make it possible for ilist to defer list adding and size calculation with an add queue). so likely that dialog could do with a toolbar at the top to select between applications that say they do handle that mime-type, and all applications as 2 separate lists and you switch between. about ilist, using Smart's changed could help a lot and remove need for freeze/thaw. Other than that we could port guarana's MVC list for such thing, it's very fast when you have rows with the same renderer (same edje group could be applied). almsot all ilists use freze/thaw - but this isnt the problem. the problem is that we literally for a 500 entry ilist create 1000's of objects - and calculate every edje's min size as each one CAN be different (thanks to headers and text being different lengths on each line). really the best way to really do this is: 1. actually creat each object calculate its size then destroy - only keep an active set of objects near the visible viewport 2. move adding items to a job queue and spool it off over time like with efm so calculating all the items is done over an extended period thus making it appear more quickly and be usable, but fill in over a timespan. My personal items would be: 12. keyboard shortcuts: ^c, ^v, ^x... of course - i listed delete key as well (should delete). 13. enable easy open of efm at some folder, specially from cmdline... efm ~/my-folder would be handy. yes. this would be nice - though i didnt really think it was a must - but i think we can add this to the list - the wiki page should have all of this listed. 13. popup with preview options. plugin-able would rock, but at least way to see more information about most used types (images, videos, music, oo.org) would help, things like title, preview, date and like. yes. i'd go - for now, for simply allowing hooks that modules can plug into here and do
Re: [E-devel] E CVS: proto/eina turran
Cedric was interested on the project by himself and because it was technically good, i think having a common library for data types is something we all agree. I think he will reply on this. And yes, the license do has something to do with this, as *i* want it to be lgpl. Ok, let's stop here. It's not about what you want. It's about what we all want. I, and a lot of people in our community do NOT want our CORE base of libraries to be licensed with different licenses. I don't care about third-party (or non-core) things like Etk or Evolve or Edje_Editor or some theme/module or Ewl, etc, etc. I personally made the compromise to relicense my contribution (of about 80 icons) to Evolve because I respect Hisham and his choice. And I'm not against LGPL or any other license, but we MUST keep your CORE code base consistent. As you all already saw it's nearly impossible to move our code base to another license, so just simply KEEP IT BSD! Imagine our License page on our website: Well, some of our core libraries (evas, ecore...) are licensed under the BSD license, but some others are LGPL'd. This will only frustrate and confuse newcomers. Nobody cares if BSD is comfortable for your or anyone else's company, this is our current license and raster's 10 years arguments on GPL - BSD are still valid and good. Plus, again, we just can't relicense those libraries, you know the reasons. You guys are just doing mistakes and all this is a huge bullshit that frustrates both developers and users. See, Dan already left... A man with a huge contribution to the whole project. You want to make someone else leave? I think a lot of people will support me here. - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] E CVS: proto/eina turran
On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 2:06 AM, Jose Gonzalez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Luchezar Petkov wrote: Cedric was interested on the project by himself and because it was technically good, i think having a common library for data types is something we all agree. I think he will reply on this. And yes, the license do has something to do with this, as *i* want it to be lgpl. Ok, let's stop here. It's not about what you want. It's about what we all want. I, and a lot of people in our community do NOT want our CORE base of libraries to be licensed with different licenses. I don't care about third-party (or non-core) things like Etk or Evolve or Edje_Editor or some theme/module or Ewl, etc, etc. I personally made the compromise to relicense my contribution (of about 80 icons) to Evolve because I respect Hisham and his choice. And I'm not against LGPL or any other license, but we MUST keep your CORE code base consistent. As you all already saw it's nearly impossible to move our code base to another license, so just simply KEEP IT BSD! Our core base libs? Obviously there's a difference in opinion between various contributors to these core libs. Consistency may or may not be the ultimate aim, and the growth of the project may depend on changes... But whichever way it goes, it would be up to those who are working on the code and doing real contributions on those libs - growth as the market decides. When you're writing open source code you are writing it for the people, for the community at first. Then for yourself and for your company. Therefore those our (our community's) libraries. And although the developers make the decisions about how the code is going to work/be packaged/be relased/etc every user should have the right to express his opinion and help making the decisions. Consistency in the project's core code base is a must. Face it. If it's not, what kind of project it is? This is ridiculous, and you know it. If it's someone or else's dictated views, and that does not address the concerns of current or potential developers, then you may well find this becoming a very small project indeed, or simply remaining the elitist niche it's been for so very long. Stop talking about dictators and dictating. Adolf Hitler was a dictator and we have no Hitlers around. The project itself and its community/user base are growing and I can see it. But, if you keep fooling around with these license shit that is doing nothing but frustrating people others may leave, yes. In my opinion, Eina is a good thing, but you guys should either keep it's license consistent with the licensing of the other core libraries or take it somewhere else and stop this insane bullshit. -- Luchezar P. Petkov http://luchko.net - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] E CVS: proto/eina turran
This policy is not fitting current developer's need anymore, at least a big part of active developers. These developers are willing to invest even more efforts, making EFL even better, but they want some changes. People already said about forks and do these kind of things out of CVS or main project tree, but really, most of ACTIVE developers either do not care or are pro-LGPL, thus if one forks it, probably current cvs would die. Before anyone reply to this mail to flame me, just check the amount of benefits from those that are strictly BSD and those that want to move to LGPL, than judge who is doing any work and who is talking. I really wonder why these guys that do no code nowadays want so strongly to talk about these stuff, give up, go away, or help. See, It's not about BSD vs LGPL. It's just that we can't and we must not have our core libs dual licensed. I'm not saying that you or anyone else is not contributing or have to fork the tree or whatever. Just keep the consistency in the core. If the WHOLE core base cannot be LGPL'd then dont LGPL the new parts of it. This is ridiculous. I respect you all, your work, your desire to change the license but this is not the way to go. -- Luchezar P. Petkov http://luchko.net - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Eina
I completely agree with you. Just one note: the CORE* libraries and the main product (e17 itself) should be licensed under one license. Currently it's BSD, so when developing a new core lib (in this case it's Eina) it should be also BSD. If someone wants to develop some app or some lib that is not of the core EFL - he/she should feel free to license it whatever he/she likes. There are many arguments to support this and they all are already written by others. It's now clear that there can't be a smooth move to another license - there are (too many, active, respected, with big contributions to the project) developers who want to keep their code BSD-licensed. There was too much buzz and discussion on this topic, it is now clear that every core library you guys create from now on should be BSD-licensed. So carry on, write the damn thing and let's rock on :-) *By mine (and hopefully others) definition the core libs are those who E17 and Ewl/Etk depend (not optionally) on. Not that I think my opinion is particularly relevant or that it will help in one direction or the other, but I'll just state it anyway: I think there should be One License for The Enlightenment Project. I think the One License rule should be enforced strictly. If people have code they don't want to place under The License for The Enlightenment Project they should take it elsewhere. I'd prefer The Licence to be BSD. This means that if any part of The Enlightenment Project remains under BSD I will object to changing the license for any other part away from BSD or adding new sub-projects with a different license. My main reason is that I think the current situation where it is possible to move/copy code between apps and libs without having to worry about infection and license differences is good. If it is possible to obtain no objections to switching ALL of The Enlightenment Project to LGPL, ok then let's switch. However, I don't think there is any chance this is going to happen. I think it would be *really* nice soon to put an end to all this license talk for some time to come. /Kim - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel -- Luchezar P. Petkov http://luchko.net - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] moving things along - cvs - svn and bugs (bugzilla-trac)
After a discussion in IRC we ended up with a solution. We will convert both Mediawiki and Bugzilla's content and throw it in Trac using scripts that were made exactly for this purpose (by the Trac team). Hopefully without much problems. I will also help with the rest of the by-hand work with the filling/organizing the content. The plan is to use Trac as both wiki (for both dev and user docs) and a bug tracker and integrate it with the new site layout, its gonna be very clean, simple and useful. I hope that nobody will argue this time.. and that we don't actually need yet another thread to discuss this. On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 1:43 AM, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 04 Aug 2008 16:44:08 +0200 Peter Wehrfritz [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: I'm not talking here about a handful of bug reports. We have 75 open bugs for ewl many of them with examples to reproduce them, with initial patches and long discussions, and we have a history of 148 resolved bugs, which i don't want to loose, either. i can look at it - chances are though an import will make a right royal mess :) -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel -- Luchezar P. Petkov http://luchko.net - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Where should users report bugs?
bugs.e.org Having both Bugzilla and Trac may confuse users a bit, yes, but there is written for filing bugs - bugs.e.org I still think that we should use just the one thing, personally I like Trac better. On Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 1:48 PM, Andreas Volz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I just notices a bug in Enlightenment. I changed the resolution several times and this is the result: http://imagebin.org/23517 The shelf at bottom looks strange. And the right side funny changes color by changing desktops. Looks like a not allocated image buffer or something else. I'm confused where to report that bug. If you talk about Community Building then please define one common and well known place for users to report bugs. This is really important. regards Andreas - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel -- Luchezar P. Petkov http://luchko.net - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Eina licence
On Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 10:38 AM, Vincent Torri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: People like Cedric and Gustavo and their companies are more open minded than you. Their companies work with and on the efl. With he BSD licence, their work can be stolen. But They are sufficiently aware of the powerfulness of the efl and open minded to allow them to share code. Without that open-minded-ness, such improvements woud never have hit cvs. It's not about being open-minded here. Companies use EFL commercially because they can do their job with those libs, then they contribute back to the project. Like Apple and the BSD stuff it's using. And, as one of the arguments to move TO BSD years ago was that open source code CAN be stolen no matter what the license is.. well, it's still true. That library is not a big one, it's not the most powerful lib on earth. Just a data type lib. You do not want to help, well, if you don't like LGPL, why not. But not linking against it, it's completely crazy. Exactly. If every other library and app in the project's official source tree, a big or a small one, is BSD-licensed, well, let's just keep the consistency. I really don't see a reason to move to LGPL. I know that as Im not a dev my opinion means nothing, but thats my two cents. -- Luchezar P. Petkov http://luchko.net - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] [e-users] [website] cms?
On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 8:58 PM, dan sinclair [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We've tried this about 3 times. Someone comes along and says if we have a CMS non-technical people will write articles. We implement a CMS. No-one writes articles. We drop the CMS. If you want to write news releases put them on blogs. Or write a news blurb for the front page. If longer articles are put into the wiki other people can fix the formatting and the wiki syntax later. dan Indeed. A CMS is not a solution for the lack of content. I've started the project's blog now and any articles, reviews, etc are more than welcome. Also, for documentation and HOWTOs the wiki is by far more appropriate. -- Luchezar P. Petkov http://luchko.net - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Community Building
Setup a blog on one of the many blogging platforms around and we can syndicate the feed to planet.e.org. As relevant posts appear we can add news items about them that point back to the blog. http://enlightenedjournal.wordpress.com/ Any suggestions, guys? dan -- Luchezar P. Petkov http://luchko.net - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Community Building
This is probably better to do before we release. If we put out Edje with Embryo support and then remove Embryo with Edje2 we'll be pissing off a lot of people that create themes and applications. Better to bite the bullet and deal with it now and get it done. I completely agree. dan - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel -- Luchezar P. Petkov http://luchko.net - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Community Building
On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 3:53 AM, dan sinclair [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1-Aug-08, at 8:38 PM, Luchezar Petkov wrote: Setup a blog on one of the many blogging platforms around and we can syndicate the feed to planet.e.org. As relevant posts appear we can add news items about them that point back to the blog. http://enlightenedjournal.wordpress.com/ This is now syndicated to planet.e.o. Although, it seems that the wordpress feeds are causing planet to throw exceptions. The posts appear, the post titles don't link to the correct locations. Interesting... I don't have this problem with my personal blog and the planets i'm on... dan -- Luchezar P. Petkov http://luchko.net - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Community Building
It only seems to be happening to you and Tomas blog. Everyone else is fine. It isn't wordpress in general as my blog is wordpress and it works fine. Just the two that are served from wordpress.com. Should I consider moving the blog to another blog hosting service then? dan -- Luchezar P. Petkov http://luchko.net - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Themes (Was: News from the E stables)
muzzle wrote: On Nov 14, 2007 11:50 AM, Thomas Gstädtner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I really love detour, especially with the blend-borders and the themes for etk and ewl. This theme is currently by far the best theme (ihmo), because all the widgets look nice and fit, and you get a desktop that just fits and looks good. Of course it would be nice to have a detour-gtk-theme, too. :) Rasters new default theme looks promising ??? is there a preview around? Yes. http://www.rasterman.com/files/new.edj http://www.rasterman.com/files/new_init.edj and I'm really looking forward to see what he does to the menus and so on. It is also great to have a complete and well-documented theme. What I would like is to have the borders integrated with the all the rest of the window, just like detour's blend-borders do. just a word in favor of Milky (http://www4.get-e.org/Themes/E17/_images/milky_preview.png) I've always like this theme a lot. It has been somewhat unmaintained in the past, I hope it's author does not let it die. Milky is a fork of an OS X theme, afaik. Bye, Emme On 11/14/07, Alberto Castro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Morten Nilsen wrote: Simon TRENY wrote: Another possibility would be to use an existing theme. Detour would be a perfect candidate for the job! It is already complete, it has a really good look imo and widgets always look good regardless to the layout. And it will also save you a lot of work. What do you think? (Tokyo would also have to agree on this of course.. :)) My personal favorites are gant and blue eyed.. Found a screenshot of Detour by means of google*, and I guess that theme also looks OK, I just think the recessed 3D-buttons are a bit much, and a candy cane percent bar doesn't really speak to me.. The progress bar never turned out as planned. An animated progress bar just adds too much overhead. It will get a redo eventually. *) http://tinyurl.com/2w3wg4 - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] E CVS: libs/ecore englebass
Enlightenment CVS wrote: Enlightenment CVS committal Author : englebass Project : e17 Module : libs/ecore Dir : e17/libs/ecore/src/lib/ecore_file Modified Files: Makefile.am ecore_file_monitor.c ecore_file_private.h Removed Files: ecore_file_monitor_fam.c Log Message: remove fam support, will never be fixed and inotify is the shit. Maybe, but inotify is a linux only thing. What about the *BSD/Solaris/OSX users? - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] E CVS: apps/e devilhorns
Agreed. Zachary Goldberg wrote: DH, Is there any way to make these categories collapsable? I'de think that once your E is setup initially you'de want the giant list of 40 config modules mostly out of the way. -ZGold On 11/2/07, Enlightenment CVS [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Enlightenment CVS committal Author : devilhorns Project : e17 Module : apps/e Dir : e17/apps/e/src/bin Modified Files: e_int_config_modules.c Log Message: Modify dialog to sort modules into categories. - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] E17 modules using Python
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote: On 8/14/07, Caio Marcelo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, [...] In point (2) I still have doubt whether is best make PyMan try to register the Python modules in E17 main module list (i.e.: they will show in modules dialog, you could enable/disable them there) or not (have a separated PyMan modules dialog). The first option seems doable but I didn't investigated further. What do you guys think? Ideas, suggestions? The end user doesnt care if the module is written in Python, or C or C++ or Pascal or whatever. No need to separate them from the regular modules. I'd like to have modules registered as regular C modules, in the same list. But so far if it's easier to have as separate thing, then fine. The code depends on python-ecore/python-evas being installed (both in CVS tree, proto/), and also depends on a recent version of Pyrex. If the module is interesting enough I have no problem moving it to CVS too ;-) PS: I'm moving to another town this week, so I'll be a little off for the next days. If all goes well, next week I'll be helping Gustavo and the other folks at INdT with EFL + Python too :-) Good luck. :-) Cheers, Caio Marcelo - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGwi+VItM6UxeszA8RApsnAJ9dWCcYMUCEWBjWL5MeAoU9QlmVzACgptvP z8y4wi5X09A5wDGoL+HZTRk= =G0zl -END PGP SIGNATURE- - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] E CVS: apps/e morlenxus
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Enlightenment CVS wrote: Enlightenment CVS committal Author : morlenxus Project : e17 Module : apps/e Dir : e17/apps/e/src/modules/conf_engine maybe engineS, instead of engine? Log Message: Directory /cvs/e/e17/apps/e/src/modules/conf_engine added to the repository - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ enlightenment-cvs mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-cvs -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGs7efItM6UxeszA8RAqnXAJ0XOPscuG3Cehj4S81srac4ZFaifgCfVfm0 THVydu2aRdn0n3CgmJSWrOE= =XH3h -END PGP SIGNATURE- - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
[E-devel] Fancy conf panel idea
Hi guys, Recently I lost almost all my SVGs (for second time) and now I need to redraw some of the icons. Well, i need to do that anyway, because some a re too old and are my first steps in gfx design. After all, i'll most probably end up with 90% of the icons redrawed. /* You should not worry about future data lost on my computer, because Cron is backing up my gfx on a server now(thanks to morlenxus).*/ And an idea came to my mind - why the config panel is so boring (just a list widget) when we have the Power of Edje and we can make it very fancy? :-) So my idea is: 1) Make a Rage-alike effect - when an entry is selected - zoom in it, enlarge it - with 128x128 icon and bigger font. When an entry is not selected - keep it as it is, with 64x64 icon 2) When entry is selected and enlarged, make the icon to pulse, same effect when you put the cursor over an ibar icon. 3) Make it borderless by default 4) First list categories - ie when you click on configuration panel a borderless fancy list of categories appear. Then when you click on a category the items of this category appear in the same window instead of the list of categories. I'm attaching a simple, quick-n-dirty mockup if i wasnt enough clear. I promise that the new icons will be very cool, especially at 128x128 :-D Tell me what you think - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Fancy conf panel idea
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dave wrote: Luchezar Petkov ha scritto: Hi guys, Recently I lost almost all my SVGs (for second time) and now I need to redraw some of the icons. Well, i need to do that anyway, because some a re too old and are my first steps in gfx design. After all, i'll most probably end up with 90% of the icons redrawed. /* You should not worry about future data lost on my computer, because Cron is backing up my gfx on a server now(thanks to morlenxus).*/ And an idea came to my mind - why the config panel is so boring (just a list widget) when we have the Power of Edje and we can make it very fancy? :-) So my idea is: 1) Make a Rage-alike effect - when an entry is selected - zoom in it, enlarge it - with 128x128 icon and bigger font. When an entry is not selected - keep it as it is, with 64x64 icon 2) When entry is selected and enlarged, make the icon to pulse, same effect when you put the cursor over an ibar icon. 3) Make it borderless by default 4) First list categories - ie when you click on configuration panel a borderless fancy list of categories appear. Then when you click on a category the items of this category appear in the same window instead of the list of categories. I'm attaching a simple, quick-n-dirty mockup if i wasnt enough clear. I promise that the new icons will be very cool, especially at 128x128 :-D Tell me what you think Yes, I totally agree with you!! ... and another good reason to make the config panel with edje is that we can theme it , we can have a config panel for embedded device (maybe thinked to be used with a touchscreen), and one for desktop pc. I think that this is also a portability question :) ... I can't see the attached file, can you send it to me? http://enlightenment.org/~lucho/conf_panel_mockup.png there it is :-) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGo+7LItM6UxeszA8RAjv6AJwK412lkKfvldKxCAylfxcSBIpTDwCglLXu CkQCUFagwRp1VLSGD0NKOiA= =ZHzL -END PGP SIGNATURE- - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Fancy conf panel idea
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Morten Nilsen wrote: Luchezar Petkov wrote: http://enlightenment.org/~lucho/conf_panel_mockup.png there it is :-) Please, no, not constantly throbbing icons... Having one or two pulses just as it goes active would be neat, but having it all the time while selected would be annoying - in my opinion. Ok, Agreed. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGpAgrItM6UxeszA8RApmJAJ9/ZWudgqJs/mOjS4sDzyAhxuSh5ACfb276 sPimVUOJ9NTulgVvSlsEMz0= =Hrda -END PGP SIGNATURE- - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Fancy conf panel idea
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 04:45:15 +0300 Luchezar Petkov [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: you DO know you can do at least half of this purely in e's theme? Yes :-) I consulted with dh, Hisham and etc, so yes. Ravenlock is looking at it atm, we will see if he can do it. :-) The idea of this thread was to see if you all guys agree with the idea. Btw, you can expect some new very, very cool icons when this new stuff come :-D Morten Nilsen wrote: Luchezar Petkov wrote: http://enlightenment.org/~lucho/conf_panel_mockup.png there it is :-) Please, no, not constantly throbbing icons... Having one or two pulses just as it goes active would be neat, but having it all the time while selected would be annoying - in my opinion. Ok, Agreed. - - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGpDf2ItM6UxeszA8RAsdHAKCWXC0LgPbIKgL6cse5rLxQruTm7gCgkmSo SSAjGnx4fq5tjHXwZIqKmLU= =roAr -END PGP SIGNATURE- - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] E CVS: proto davemds
I also want to thank you. As I am just a silly designer with almost no
coding skill, this is a great tool for me! Keep it up, man! :-)
2007/7/13, Enlightenment CVS [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Enlightenment CVS committal
Author : davemds
Project : e17
Module : proto
Dir : e17/proto/edje_editor/src/bin
Modified Files:
callbacks.c callbacks.h interface.c interface.h main.c main.h
Log Message:
* Add Tween animation support (create and manage)
* Use an internal test app for show the edje result (instead of using
edje_viewer)
* some formatting
* some shell escape inside system() invocations to handle space in
file/dir name
NOTE:
You can now use edje_editor to view and test edje files.
There is a new switch (-t) that open an edje file and show
the content of the given group, without load the whole editor interface.
Seems usefull to me.
There was also a thread on the forum about this :)
USAGE:
edje_editor -t edje_file.edj group/to/display
===
RCS file: /cvs/e/e17/proto/edje_editor/src/bin/callbacks.c,v
retrieving revision 1.23
retrieving revision 1.24
diff -u -3 -r1.23 -r1.24
--- callbacks.c 10 Jul 2007 02:16:37 - 1.23
+++ callbacks.c 13 Jul 2007 16:54:57 - 1.24
@@ -38,6 +38,9 @@
on_AllButton_click(Etk_Button *button, void *data)
{
char cmd[1024];
+ Etk_Tree_Row *sel_row;
+ int row_num;
+
switch ((int)data)
{
case TOOLBAR_NEW:
@@ -103,12 +106,13 @@
printf(Clicked signal on Toolbar Button 'Play' EMITTED\n);
if (Cur.open_file_name)
{
-snprintf(cmd,1024,edje_viewer %s ,Cur.open_file_name);
-printf(TEST IN VIEWER. cmd: %s\n,cmd);
-if (!system(type edje_viewer))
- system(cmd);
-else
- ShowAlert(bCould not find 'edje_viewer'./bbrCheck
that the executable is in your path.);
+snprintf(cmd,1024,edje_editor -t %s %s ,Cur.open_file_name
,Cur.eg-name);
+printf(TESTING EDJE. cmd: %s\n,cmd);
+system(cmd);
+//if (!system(type edje_viewer))
+// system(cmd);
+//else
+// ShowAlert(bCould not find 'edje_viewer'./bbrCheck
that the executable is in your path.);
}else{
ShowAlert(You need to save the file before testing it.);
}
@@ -124,6 +128,35 @@
if (engrave_file_font_dir_get(Cur.ef))
ShowFilechooser(FILECHOOSER_FONT);
else ShowAlert(You have to save the file once for insert
font.);
break;
+ case IMAGE_TWEEN_UP:
+ShowAlert(Up not yet implemented.);
+ break;
+ case IMAGE_TWEEN_DOWN:
+ShowAlert(Down not yet implemented.);
+ break;
+ case IMAGE_TWEEN_DELETE:
+sel_row =
etk_tree_selected_row_get(ETK_TREE(UI_ImageTweenList));
+if (row_num = (int)etk_tree_row_data_get (sel_row))
+{
+ PROTO_engrave_part_state_image_tween_remove_nth(Cur.eps
,row_num-1);
+ UpdateImageFrame();
+}
+ break;
+ case IMAGE_TWEEN_RADIO:
+UpdateImageFrame();
+
etk_toggle_button_active_set(ETK_TOGGLE_BUTTON(UI_ImageTweenRadio),
TRUE);
+
etk_toggle_button_active_set(ETK_TOGGLE_BUTTON(UI_ImageNormalRadio),
FALSE);
+etk_widget_show(UI_ImageTweenList);
+etk_widget_show(UI_MoveUpTweenButton);
+etk_widget_show(UI_MoveDownTweenButton);
+etk_widget_show(UI_DeleteTweenButton);
+etk_combobox_active_item_set (ETK_COMBOBOX(UI_ImageComboBox),
+
etk_combobox_nth_item_get(ETK_COMBOBOX(UI_ImageComboBox),0));
+ break;
+ case IMAGE_NORMAL_RADIO:
+PROTO_engrave_part_state_image_tween_remove_all(Cur.eps);
+UpdateImageFrame();
+ break;
}
}
@@ -452,18 +485,40 @@
on_ImageComboBox_changed(Etk_Combobox *combobox, void *data)
{
Engrave_Image *image;
- printf(Changed signal on Image Combo EMITED\n);
-
+ printf(Changed signal on Image Combo EMITTED\n);
+
+
if ((image = etk_combobox_item_data_get(etk_combobox_active_item_get
(combobox{
//Set an existing image
if (Cur.eps){
- engrave_part_state_image_normal_set(Cur.eps, image);
+ if (!etk_toggle_button_active_get(UI_ImageTweenRadio))
+ {
+engrave_part_state_image_normal_set(Cur.eps, image);
+ }else{
+engrave_part_state_image_tween_add(Cur.eps,image);
+UpdateImageFrame();
+ }
ev_redraw();
}
}
}
void
+on_ImageTweenList_row_selected(Etk_Object *object, Etk_Tree_Row *row,
void *data)
+{
+ printf(Row selected signal on ImageTweenList EMITTED\n);
+ if (row != etk_tree_first_row_get (ETK_TREE(UI_ImageTweenList)))
+ {
+
Re: [E-devel] E CVS: apps/e raster
Oops.. Sorry. 2007/7/10, Enlightenment CVS [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Enlightenment CVS committal Author : raster Project : e17 Module : apps/e Dir : e17/apps/e/data/themes/images Modified Files: Makefile.am Log Message: and add image to Makefile.am! remember! === RCS file: /cvs/e/e17/apps/e/data/themes/images/Makefile.am,v retrieving revision 1.101 retrieving revision 1.102 diff -u -3 -r1.101 -r1.102 --- Makefile.am 10 Jul 2007 00:13:21 - 1.101 +++ Makefile.am 10 Jul 2007 15:19:22 - 1.102 @@ -550,4 +550,5 @@ x-office-calendar.png \ x-office-document.png \ x-office-presentation.png \ -x-office-spreadsheet.png +x-office-spreadsheet.png \ +e17_icon_fileman_desktop.png - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ enlightenment-cvs mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-cvs -- Luchezar P. Petkov http://luchko.wordpress.com - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Enna 0.2.0 released
Very nice. I don't like the theme, but it's trivial :-) What about merging Rage and Enna? They have (almost) the same functionality... 2007/7/10, Nicolas Aguirre [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi ALL, I'm proud to annouce you Enna 0.2.0. I work on this project for a long time ago, more than 2 years, in my free time. Enna is a media center program, based on EFL. After a lot of changes, tests, changes other tests, I finally have a light version but without (or maybe few) bugs! The code can be found here : http://www.digital-corner.org/files/enna-0.2.0.tar.gz I have set up a SVN repository on sourceforge, and code can be get via SVN : svn co https://enna.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/enna enna You need EFL (of course), EVAS, ECORE, EDJE, EET, Emotion (with Xine AND Gstreamer backends), E_Dbus and some other libs : taglib, libxml-2.0, libmusicbrainz, libcurl and lircclient (only if you plan to use enna with remote control) Enna is published under BSD licence, as a lot of EFL software, if I'm right. I know that my code is not perfect, and I'm sure that Enna can have a lot of improvements. But I use it every day, and this basis functionality are usable. I write Enna, to have a easy to use software, and control it only with remote control. I know that you have rage as media center, and in the first stages of enna, I were inspired by it, but today, enna is mature for every day use. If you think that it's not redundant with rage, we could maybe adding enna to E CVS ? I hope that you'll enjoy using enna as much as I enjoy writing it. If you find bugs send me an e-mail, and if you have a patch for it, send me an email too ;) Regards, Nico (captainigloo). PS : you can find screencast of enna here : http://www.digital-corner.org/files/enna-0.2.0.ogg - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel -- Luchezar P. Petkov http://luchko.wordpress.com - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Conf dialogs... modules?!
Ok. Feeling a bit stupid... But, I'm convinced. After all, i just wanted a few arguments. :-) 2007/7/8, Brian 'morlenxus' Miculcy [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I also suggest to have module categories, as we already use the module.desktop files for the icons, we should use it for the categories. This way we wouldn't have a long list, we instead have the modules more organised in category lists. It would be also cool to have the description directly in the module.desktop, this way the module doesn't need to get loaded for simply checking what the module does (with the about button). Greets, Brian 'morlenxus' Miculcy On Sat, Jul 07, 2007 at 07:57:51PM -0500, Brian Mattern wrote: On Sun, Jul 08, 2007 at 01:40:37AM +0300, Hisham Mardam Bey wrote: On 7/7/07, Luchezar Petkov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Raster, why the heck are you doing this? I don't like the idea (and its not only me, of course)... At least explain us :-) This is actually not a very bad idea, its actually a good move towards refactoring a lot of E's code and making it cleaner (if this continues with all the non-WM stuff in E that is). The only annoyance I can see here is having to load those modules yourself - which might be a bit of a problem to the clueless new user. I think they're on by default. Its just that there is no code to turn them on for old configs (nor should there be). I personally do advocate the idea though. The more important thing is to continue on doing this. I agree. Pushing functionality into modules has a side effect of forcing the interfaces to be abstracted and (hopefully) cleaner. E has become a BIG beast with a lot of features that are not required by a WM. What WM has so much configuration dialogs? X configs? Includes its own panels, mini-modules? File manager? After thinking about the state of E (the WM / desktop shell first, and the entire EFL second), I believe that this is exactly what we need. We need to do this for everything that does not belong to the core WM. Things need to be moved out of the main code base and refactored. I even believe that we need to do this sort of thing for the desktop itself. E draws its own desktop, completely ignoring X's root window. Ignoring the root window itself is not a problem, but I firmly believe that we need to move the entire canvas desktop idea outside E. Call it e_desktop or whatever. E, as a WM, should not have to draw this desktop, handle the clock, battery, ibar, etc. and the rest of the modules that load and draw on the desktop. By putting this into E, not only have we made it bigger and slower, we have also made it more error and crash prone. The e_desktop application could, if need be, open up the space for modules like the ones we currently have. There is no reason for them to be a part of E itself. Now one would argue that some of those modules do in fact need access to some of the info that E has (ibox, drop shadow, pager?) but I am sure that we can find a sane way to do this stuff as well (I have not given those modules any thought as of now). Another part of E that really needs to move outside its code base is EFM. EFM is growing and becoming a terrifying beast. Anyone that has tried to fix something or add something to it knows that (ask me, I spent two hours understanding its code trying to add a feature the other day). Not only does EFM have its own process now, it keeps on growing and growing, and it still has a good way to go. We need to move EFM outside E and turn it into a standalone proper file manager. At that point, E can *use* EFM for its file dialog needs, and having a file manager inside E as an excuse to needing a file selector / dialog for some internal things (background choosing, theme choosing etc) will no longer be a valid excuse to code a full fledged file manager inside E. Much of how the three components (wm, fm, desktop) interact would need to be re-thought. The IPC interfaces would need a LOT of work. That said, the filemanager already does the majority of its work in a helper application. Anyway, I would like to hear from raster about the reasons behind mashing all of this functionality into one monolithic process before giving any more though to how it could be split up. :) Another component that should also be removed from E itself (maybe even completely deleted and replaced with an already existing library, or appended to that library) is e_thumb. e_thumb has no place inside E itself. We have Epsilon, a perfectly working library that can work both in library mode and in IPC mode as a service. If Epsilon has given some of us some trouble then we should fix it and use it instead of implementing a thumbnailer in E itself. I never did understand why epsilon was ignored. I know this was brought up
[E-devel] Conf dialogs... modules?!
Raster, why the heck are you doing this? I don't like the idea (and its not only me, of course)... At least explain us :-) -- Luchezar P. Petkov http://luchko.wordpress.com - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Bug Tracker
I don't like the current bug tracker. But maybe it's because I'm used with bugzilla, which I like so I vote for bugzilla :) Vincent Same here. -- Luchezar P. Petkov http://luchko.wordpress.com - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] [E-Mail] Hi dev, i need your help!
Hi First: feel warned, I'm not a programmer, and I could be wrong at some points; So, using Etk_Text_View for *reading* e-mail is just wrong - what if the e-mail message is in HTML? I'm not sure what the solution is, unfortunately, but I don't think that Text_View suits your needs here. Use it for writing messages only. About the images... well, if the attached files are images: two buttons download all and View Attached images at the bottom of the message; when clicked on view attached images a new window with a small image viewer opens and shows all images attached; Every image is scaled to a reasonable size - 400xXXX or similar (it would not be nice if there are 10 images with 3000x3000 resolutions attached); Below every image there should be a button download and a button full size; When clicked on view full size a new window pops up and show sthe image in its full size; When clicked on download a file chooser dialog and progress bar window appears, etc etc :-) Of course, this can be done in E-mail's own window, if its better. I have some ideas about this app, I'll talk to you in IRC when I have time for chat (currently, i'm sick and I have to study a lot for the school exams, etc..). I hope you're serious enough and you wont left the project unfinished and unmaintained. :-) Cheers On 6/12/07, Massimiliano Calamelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi dev, i'm working hard on E-Mail, my email client app ETK-based, and now i need your help. Atm E-Mail works with a preexisting ~/Mail folder in MH format (one file for a message), it can show existing messages, but it can't send or receive anything. It's very hard to build a nice email client!!! I need your help in order to decide how to show an image attached to a message: you can look these images to have an idea of the aspect of E-Mail http://picasaweb.google.it/mcalamelli/Screenshots/photo#5075100731934743298 (E-Mail handle a message with attachment) http://picasaweb.google.it/mcalamelli/Screenshots/photo#5075100736229710610 (E-Mail handle a message without attachment) I use Etk_Text_View to show the body of the message, and it can't handle images. What can i do? Leaving the attachments as is, and allow to the user only the choose to save it, or implement a built-in image viewer, or i don't know? Any suggestions are appreciated!!! Massimiliano - -- Massimiliano Calamelli http://mcalamelli.netsons.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.4 (MingW32) iD8DBQFGboutleGEL56NNP4RAmh1AKD2gWES9PBcH0D812ZDf/qV9luFAACgjbap n8GUbWa1JSW0iTJnU74wGbQ= =hbD8 -END PGP SIGNATURE- - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel -- Luchezar P. Petkov http://luchko.wordpress.com - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Enlightenment crashes under FreeBSD and Linux
Cannot reproduce the crash here on FreeBSD with a ~/Desktop direcroy. Probably it will segfault without. I guess that when raster finish off the file manager it will create a ~/Desktop by default if it does not exist when icons on the desktop are enabled. Massimiliano Calamelli wrote: Hi all, on my BSD host i've got this problem, with E built from CVS this afternoon: i launch X environment using startx, rightclick on desktop, ESC to close favorite menu, anoter rightclick and then CRASH. I've tried to attach E session to gdb, but i don't have debugging symbols, and i'm not so expert... But it seems to me that i've solved this issue creating Desktop directory in my $HOME, now it don't crash. Just tried also under Ubuntu, same issue and solution. Note that FreeBSD doesn't come with a Desktop dir (i don't have installed Gnome or KDE or other), i don't know if it's right or wrong. Happy debugging Massimiliano - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] WEB NEWS PATCH.
Stéphane Bauland wrote: Hi all, ... Have a good day. See you And what about RSS/Atom feeds? - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Patch for disabling confirmation dialogs
Brian 'morlenxus' Miculcy wrote: Hi guys, the attached patch allows to disable confirmation dialogs. For example you want to shutdown or hibernate your computer, you first need to accept the warning. This patch adds an option to the config panel advanced-dialogs which allows to disable that. People where asking for it, since my kill dialog patch went in. Greets, Brian 'morlenxus' Miculcy Why don't you just add Don't show this dialog again checkboxes to those confirm. dialogs? I don't think a conf dialog is needed here. - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] [e-users] WWW!
Mathieu Taillefumier wrote: Hello, wiki is good. for theme docs too. and for translation. I can probably handle the French translation if you want. we're talking about translation documentation, not to translate the documentation :-) ie how to translate E, who translate is, etc And if you want, wait until the user guide and the site content is finished and translate them. You can also translate other articles in the wiki. Mathieu - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] WWW!
Jaime Thomas wrote: I've been writing some documentation for a bunch of the applications for Elbuntu, but I'll send them here if they're welcome. Send them to me if you're talking about applications that are in our CVS. jethomas On Thu, 26 Apr 2007 08:56:58 -0400 dan sinclair [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yup :) also remember - the website is not static - it's an evolving thing, but the www site compared to wiki is meant to be much more static. if people wish to collaborate on documentation and guides to start with the wiki is a great place. as dan says - once things settle they can be release on gold on the main site - but that also depends on the code and projects they document getting a release. - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] WWW!
Jaime Thomas wrote: I've written them for Eclair, Elicit, Exhibit, Estickies. Can write for others. jethomas Ok, send me what you have about Exhibit and Estickies. I'll check those out. Eclair is officially dead, Elicit, iirc isnt maintained anymore. - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] WWW!
Brian Mattern wrote: On Mon, Apr 30, 2007 at 10:27:45PM +0300, Luchezar Petkov wrote: Jaime Thomas wrote: I've written them for Eclair, Elicit, Exhibit, Estickies. Can write for others. jethomas Ok, send me what you have about Exhibit and Estickies. I'll check those out. Eclair is officially dead, Elicit, iirc isnt maintained anymore. Incorrect. Elicit is alive and working well. (13 commit emails in march and 5 in may). Please check before spreading misinformation. :) Brian Err... :-) *blush* I'm sorry. - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] E17 calendar module
Christopher Michael wrote: Luchezar Petkov wrote: Andreas Volz wrote: Hello, the calendar module in CVS e_modules is empty. Is there a calendar module for E17? The current module is dead, as the author stopped to maintain it more than a year ago when Gadman was replaced by Gadcon. Morlenxus was working on a new calendar module on my request, he did some work, but I don't know if he's still working on it and how useful it is at the moment. regards Andreas If I can lend a hand, I most certainly will.. E keeps me busy, plus I just for a week long win32 contract..but I'm always around :P Brian showed me some shots of this...Mano, I'm in :) devil *Knees and makes the sing of the horns* In devilhorns we trust! :-D - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] WWW!
dan sinclair wrote: On 25-Apr-07, at 3:05 PM, Luchezar Petkov wrote: Ok.. As you may noticed, I've putted some content. I need your opinion on it - is it nice, are the images nice - are they too big or too small or are they nice at all. I think their a bit on the big side. A few images are fine but I don't think we want to go off and add images for every single section title that we'll have on the site. Do we really need a performance image? Isn't the header good enough? Don't get me wrong, the images look good, we just don't want to over clutter the site. Ends up looking too busy. Ok, I'll try to fix it. And... About the content of the site.. We need a small plan. My ideas are: 2) Separate the documentation - User documentation and Developers documentation This is essentially done. docs.e.org needs to be re-written but it's already split into sections for EFL docs, the books and the wm docs. Good. 1) Rewrite/update the user guide on get-e.org and move it in the official site as user documentation. It will cover ONLY e17 itself and the official modules (ibar, ibox, etc etc) We can cover other applications as we see fit. There is no reason it has to be just e17. enlightenment isn't only the wm. What about entrance or other applications we create. Their just as much a part of the enlightenment project. 2) Anything that is outside of E17 itself should have it's documentation on the wiki. All maintained stuff in apps/ and e_modules/. Bigger projects such as Etk and Ewl can have their own web sites if wiki page is not enough for them - etk.enlightenment.org, ewl.enlightenment.org or with their own domains. This I disagree with. Enlightenment isn't just the WM. We want product pages for the different libs on the main site that not everyone can change. The currently setup works well with the libraries having a page under the about libraries section. This should stay. We might also want to add entrance or other apps as they become useful to the site. Adding a subdomain per library is going to get unwieldy pretty quick. Sure they'll all have wiki sites as well. Ewl has a lot of information on the wiki. We still want it on the main site. Everything in apps/ (except E and perhaps Entrance) and in e_modules/ is just hosted on our CVS. Anyone can write an app and host it somewhere else. Imagine this situation: we work hardly we release E. Great. But when people start to write modules and apps using EFL they will be using their own places to host their work. The fact that Ephoto, Exhibit and Extract (for example) are hosted on E CVS does not make them special or essential parts of the project. They are separate projects. They are all important because they are some of the first good and working apps written using EFL. Nothing more. Thus, in my opinion, we have to document their features in the wiki - as every new application that will pop up in the future (if the author(s) wants to use E's wiki). 3) Rewrite/update the current developers documentation for core EFL. Libraries that are outside of core EFL should have their documentation on the wiki. I can't help here, unfortunately - I'm not a hacker myself. The question here is: should the themeing docs be in this section or they should stay in the wiki? Should we include documentation for translation? Define core EFL. Do you mean just what the WM requires as that cuts out a large chunk of the enlightenment code. Anything in libs, that isn't dead, should be game to have a section on the website. Well, the biggest and maintained libraries can have their subdomains and separate websites with docs, wikis and whatever you want.Etk had its own web site, but seems that it's currently offline. But I just don't see a reason to include, for example, Engrave - small library, not much maintained, don't need big documentation, so a wiki page(s) perhaps will be the proper choice for it. If you really want all working/maintained libs documented on the site - ok, no problem. Yet, read above what I've said about the apps and modules - imo, its the same situation with the libs that E does not depend on. Themeing and translation docs should appear on the wiki as they'll inherently have a lot of changes. Agreed. dan - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] WWW!
ok, after this discussion, I've made this: http://wiki.enlightenment.org/index.php/E17_User_Guide And I need your opinions - what else should we add, do we need to remove something, are the sections in the proper order, etc. Once we finish the main skeleton, I'll start putting in content. My main question now is: should we mention or document some of the other EFL apps (except Entrance) in this user guide as they seem to be part of the Enlightenment project? Or they should be documented separately in other wiki pages? I think that the best way is to add in the end of the guide a section called Other Enlightenment applications and list some of the best there. Or something like that. When listing, we will link to their wiki pages where they're documented, screenshot-ed, etc. - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] E17 calendar module
Andreas Volz wrote: Hello, the calendar module in CVS e_modules is empty. Is there a calendar module for E17? The current module is dead, as the author stopped to maintain it more than a year ago when Gadman was replaced by Gadcon. Morlenxus was working on a new calendar module on my request, he did some work, but I don't know if he's still working on it and how useful it is at the moment. regards Andreas - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] WWW!
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: OK... Ok.. As you may noticed, I've putted some content. I need your opinion on it - is it nice, are the images nice - are they too big or too small or are they nice at all. And... About the content of the site.. We need a small plan. My ideas are: 2) Separate the documentation - User documentation and Developers documentation 1) Rewrite/update the user guide on get-e.org and move it in the official site as user documentation. It will cover ONLY e17 itself and the official modules (ibar, ibox, etc etc) 2) Anything that is outside of E17 itself should have it's documentation on the wiki. All maintained stuff in apps/ and e_modules/. Bigger projects such as Etk and Ewl can have their own web sites if wiki page is not enough for them - etk.enlightenment.org, ewl.enlightenment.org or with their own domains. 3) Rewrite/update the current developers documentation for core EFL. Libraries that are outside of core EFL should have their documentation on the wiki. I can't help here, unfortunately - I'm not a hacker myself. The question here is: should the themeing docs be in this section or they should stay in the wiki? Should we include documentation for translation? 4) Make get-e.org a site only for resources - themes, wallpapers, unoffical modules, maybe. Just like now, but without the documentation. (it will be pointless if we move the docs on e.org) Tell me what you think and I'll start working on it as far as I can. - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] E CVS: www titan
Stéphane Bauland wrote: Enlightenment CVS wrote: Enlightenment CVS committal Author : titan Project : web Module : www Dir : web/www/p/about/dev Modified Files: en-body Log Message: Revert everything I did. Forget that I even touched www. I know that I'm younger than him, but now this is childish behaviour. Anyway. I'll put as much content as I can, then you guys can correct my grammar/html mistakes. - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] WWW!
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: OK... First. If you didn't already know, the new E servers are up and running. Anonymous CVS has been server off one of them now for several weeks. The other is having a whole bunch of web services put up. But we now need help. I need help filling in the main website. It is all in CVS in the www module. just need to edit and commit and the website auto-updates. Currently it's available on http://web.enlightenment.org I have put up most of a skeleton and have started filling in content. If anyone wants to help fill in content - please tell me. if you have CVS write access, you can already help. all those people wanting to help, but who can't code - this is your chance :) In addition there is a wiki, forums and bugtracker up too - linked too already. once web.enlightenment.org is filled - we will switch www.enlightenment.org over and be all 100% up on the new site. I'm in. You may want to correct my english mistakes if any and to format the text if needed. - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
[E-devel] Monitor Fund results
Hello everyone, I know that this is a developer's list, and yet, I'd like to use it to thank to everyone who donated me to buy a new monitor. So, finally, after some painful months, here is it. I brought it. It's a 21 Dell E228WFP and it is truly amazing! Thanks for all your support, man. Thank you very much. *BIG THANK YOU* P.S. About $80 left, so I'll sell my old CPU and Motherboard, and will buy new Pentium 4 (3 GHz) and a new motherborad. /me dances around -- Luchezer P. Petkov http://luchko.wordpress.com - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
[E-devel] The new Fonts dialog
We need to be able to select all font classes at once (e.g. ctrl+a, right click select all, etc) then apply one font for them all. The reason is, that, for example I have to use a font for all classes that supports Cyrillic letters. And selecting every single font class, then apply the appropriate font to it is just pain in the ass. Devilhorns made that some time ago on my request, now, Shorne, it's your turn to show us what you cand do :-) Mano -- Luchezer P. Petkov http://luchko.wordpress.com - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] The new Fonts dialog
Ugh.. It's implemented. My mistake.. Excuse me. *blush* On 4/10/07, Luchezar Petkov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We need to be able to select all font classes at once (e.g. ctrl+a, right click select all, etc) then apply one font for them all. The reason is, that, for example I have to use a font for all classes that supports Cyrillic letters. And selecting every single font class, then apply the appropriate font to it is just pain in the ass. Devilhorns made that some time ago on my request, now, Shorne, it's your turn to show us what you cand do :-) Mano -- Luchezer P. Petkov http://luchko.wordpress.com -- Luchezer P. Petkov http://luchko.wordpress.com - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] eap_edit cvs version failed to build
.eap files are obsoleted. Instead, we're using .desktop files now. Actually, we've been using .desktops for quite a while now. Thus, eap_edit is not obsolete too, I guess. On 4/8/07, Xavier Oswald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 17:10 Sun 08 Apr , Xavier Oswald wrote: Hi, Re Hi, I just tried today the enlightenment cvs version and I got a mistake with building eap_edit. e17/apps/e_utils/src/bin/eapp_edit$ make I have investigate a little bit more. gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I../../.. -I../lib -I/usr/local/include -I../../../lib -I/usr/local/include/ewl -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/engrave -I/usr/local/include -g -O2 -MT eapp_edit_main.o -MD -MP -MF .deps/eapp_edit_main.Tpo -c -o eapp_edit_main.o eapp_edit_main.c eapp_edit_main.c: In function 'eapp_cb_fd_changed': eapp_edit_main.c:409: error: 'Ewl_Dialog_Event' undeclared (first use in this function) eapp_edit_main.c:409: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once eapp_edit_main.c:409: error: for each function it appears in.) eapp_edit_main.c:409: error: 'e' undeclared (first use in this function) make: *** [eapp_edit_main.o] Error 1 I join to this mail a small patch. It seems that it doesn't work that nice but the idea should not be so far. Sorry, I have to imporve my knowledge in C ;) If someone could help me to fix this, It would be nice. Thanks friendly, -- ,''`. Xavier Oswald [EMAIL PROTECTED] : :' : GNU/LINUX Debian Debian-Edu `. `' GnuPG Key ID 0x88BBB51E `-938D D715 6915 8860 9679 4A0C A430 C6AA 88BB B51E - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel -- Luchezer P. Petkov http://luchko.wordpress.com - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Screen[saver/lock/etc] stuff
On 3/16/07, Eric Schuele [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 03/16/2007 14:06, Ravenlock wrote: On 03/16/2007 13:47, Luchezar Petkov wrote: Hi, I have time now, and I have to draw some more icons for E. In the config panel, there are two dialogs without icons for now - Screen Saver and DPMS settings. I was thinking.. can't we merge them both witht the Screen lock dialog? They all are related to screen saver and locking/suspending/shutting down the screen and in my opinion, all can go in one neat dialog. What do you think? Imho, I think they should remain separate... but I'm a bit biased here, as I did the work to put them there. I do not think their relationship is close enough for them to be in the same dialog. FWIW... my feelings on this are even less strong if there were a tab widget that could be used to segregate the functionality. Tabs would be nice. :) Agree. Tabs would solve a lot of UI problems in E17. -- Regards, Eric -- Luchezer P. Petkov http://luchko.wordpress.com - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] TODO item(s) need clarification.....
On 3/16/07, Brian Mattern [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Mar 16, 2007 at 07:17:27AM -0500, Ravenlock wrote: * internal windows (config dialogs, etc) should re-open after a restart Just wondering *why* this is desired. Seems like a lot of book keeping... for little value. Just wondering what the motivation for this one was. This is only really an issue when changing themes. So, maybe only the theme dialog needs to re-open and only after a restart due to the theme being changed? Fonts too, iirc. rephorm - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel -- Luchezer P. Petkov http://luchko.wordpress.com - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] E CVS: libs/evas raster
Why not just file a bug? http://bugzilla.gnome.org/browse.cgi?product=librsvg (I can do that for you, I have an account in GNOME's bugzilla, just let me know if you want) I am one of those who really want and need SVG support in E. I am using EFM and I'm often browsing the dirs with my vector works, which, of course, are all in SVG format. I know that its not that useful right now, but it will become very nice one day, and we all we will use it for many things, including browsing SVG files. And as raster noted, it's not just the thumbnailing... We need it. Enabled by default or not. EFL are using third-party software for their needs - from dbus to librsvg, from openssl to xine and gstreamer. When you find a bug, you should provide a feedback to the project's maintainers. As others would provide feedback and will report bug to EFL when they use it. - Mano On 3/6/07, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 6 Mar 2007 00:40:44 -0500 Michael Jennings [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: On Tuesday, 06 March 2007, at 05:06:04 (+), [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, that's probably too drastic. It's still really an optionally compiled, loadable module, and raster's last mods seem to have fixed the issues... (maybe, hopefully). Re-enabling the leak to stop the crash is not fixing the issues. ooh no - i didn't actually fix any leak. i added the close call HOPING it'd fix the leak - it didn't. i left it in as it caused no issues and hoped it might be better - if rsvg were to be fixed. i changed the free call to be g_object_unref as the docs/header claimed it was deprecated. i disabled the close calls now as they cause crashes on other rsvg versions/builds - but it doesn't make me feel any better about the quality of the code for what is not a wierd corner case, but something as simple as load a file that isn't svg - then go and leak like mad. In any case, I think it would be unwise to remove it. Again, it is optional and it does provide a useful service. Nor is crashing evas apps a useful service. :-) No offense, but I think librsvg is a mistake. SVG as a format is not ready, and clearly librsvg is even less ready. svg indeed is not ready. for now though it serves as a nice proof of concept vector loader :) At minimum, SVG support should be disabled by default. Encouraging people to use a broken implementation of a broken format is...well, broken. unfortunately - we have issues like fdo menus and icon specs that REQUIRE svg support... :(:(:( big problems :( i could do something like fork of a child process that converts via a pipe - at least if it dies the parent won't, and we will hit a performance snag - but really - for now i'l let it be and see if rsvg fixes itself before release of evas 1.0.0 e0.17 - if not, disabled it shall become (or address this during alpha/beta). Michael -- Michael Jennings (a.k.a. KainX) http://www.kainx.org/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] n + 1, Inc., http://www.nplus1.net/ Author, Eterm (www.eterm.org) --- Men always want to please women, but these last 15 years, women have been hard to please. If you want to resist the feminist movement, the simple way to do it is to give them what they want, and they'll defeat themselves. -- Jack Nicholson, Vanity Fair, April 1994 - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] 裸好多 Tokyo, Japan (東京 日本) - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel -- Luchezer P. Petkov http://luchko.wordpress.com - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics
Re: [E-devel] [ETK-E17]network manager
Note that writing such module/app would be hard to be cross-platform, as NetworkManager currently supports only Linux. There are big chances that it will be ported to FreeBSD [1] very soon [2], but still you'll surely have some problems. Moreover, there is Solaris. Just keep in mind that this task isn't that easy. I wish you good luck and I'm looking forward to see your application soon. I'm in, if you need FreeBSD testers, but as I am just a silly designer, I can not provide patches. Unfortunately. :-) [1] FreeBSD is the only one of the three BSD giants supported by E17 for now. There are a lot of FreeBSD users that are using E17 on their desktops out there, and I am one of them. [2] Read Open Task #1: http://www.freebsd.org/news/status/report-oct-2006-dec-2006.html#FreeBSD-GNOME-Project - Mano On 3/4/07, watchwolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hehe, I started to write a front end app with ETK/C ifconfig/iwconfig. I use the same method as wifi-radar (excecute command regular expression). But I don't have a lot of time. atm the app allow to configure a static wire network . I will write a web page to present the application during the week. On Fri, 2007-03-02 at 17:53 +0900, Carsten Haitzler wrote: On Sun, 18 Feb 2007 15:15:36 +0100 Atton Jonathan [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: hello ;) I have a question, A etk/ewl network manager exist ? I means configure the ip, mask, select a wireless network ...? a NetworkManager front end module/app would be spiffingly nice! i'd love that! :) - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel -- Luchezer P. Petkov http://luchko.wordpress.com - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Strange pager popup behaviour
Hi, I'm not sure who is the author of the theme, but it's possible that he is not subscribed to this list. So, I suggest you to email the author personally. On 2/11/07, Ryan Little [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm haveing a strange issue with the pager popup when shifting desktops (see attached) - the image seems corrupted somehow. This is only occuring with the japan2007 theme, I've tried disabling bling, dropshaddow, rebuilding the theme, etc. - and the popup still looks like this. Anyone have any ideas? - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier. Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel -- Luchezer P. Petkov http://luchko.wordpress.com - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier. Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Edje text parts problem
Dunno, about the problem, but the name E News is not good. Just because there are feeds not only for news, but for blogs as well. eReader? feEder? Or something..?:-) On 11/21/06, Laurent Ghigonis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I'm working on a theme for the E News module (a feed reader) and i have a problem =) I want 1 SWALLOW part (image) and 2 edje TEXT parts (date and text) side by side in a box (base). - |image|date|text| - My problem is that i can't have the text part positionned at the end of the part date. Like date is TEXT, it seems its size is not updating when the object base grows, and so the text part is not placed like it should. The corresponding peace of my edje code is attached, i tried many different things, but i don't manage to have what i explained :( any ideas / hints are welcome ! thanks laurent - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel -- --- Luchezer P. Petkov - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] E17 installer script.
Well, there are some other scripts for that purpose, such as Raster's get_e.sh or easy_e17.sh. I've seen script for download/install E17 from CVS even written in Python, but never in Ruby. So, thank you. Ruby fans will like it and maybe will help you to improve it. Also, you may be interested in EFL's Ruby bindings to write one very nice GUI app for us. :-) P.S. What's the license? BSD? Cheers. On 11/16/06, Eugen Minciu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I've written a small script that downloads e17 from CVS and builds it. It's written in Ruby. Sorry if you don't like that :). You'll need Ruby installed. It also does a few trivial checks for a few things (cvs, make, automake, autoconf, gettext, libtoolize, pkg-config, autoheader). It's output is rather clean as it logs the command's output to a log file. There's a configuration file (which is written in ruby as well) that you can modify. The source is commented and so's the config file. If anyone finds this useful, or interesting or has patches or whatever, drop me a line. Make it executable and run ./my_e or just run it with 'ruby my_e' In the future, I will modify the script to stop when something doesn't build properly (or prompt the user or whatever). Right now it doesn't but a simple ^C will stop it. Hope this is useful. Cheers. Eugen. -- Luchezer P. Petkov - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] E17 installer script.
On 11/16/06, Eugen Minciu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Luchezar Petkov wrote: Well, there are some other scripts for that purpose, such as Raster's get_e.sh or easy_e17.sh. I've seen script for download/install E17 from CVS even written in Python, but never in Ruby. So, thank you. Ruby fans will like it and maybe will help you to improve it. Also, you may be interested in EFL's Ruby bindings to write one very nice GUI app for us. :-) P.S. What's the license? BSD? Cheers. On 11/16/06, * Eugen Minciu* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I've written a small script that downloads e17 from CVS and builds it. It's written in Ruby. Sorry if you don't like that :). You'll need Ruby installed. It also does a few trivial checks for a few things (cvs, make, automake, autoconf, gettext, libtoolize, pkg-config, autoheader). It's output is rather clean as it logs the command's output to a log file. There's a configuration file (which is written in ruby as well) that you can modify. The source is commented and so's the config file. If anyone finds this useful, or interesting or has patches or whatever, drop me a line. Make it executable and run ./my_e or just run it with 'ruby my_e' In the future, I will modify the script to stop when something doesn't build properly (or prompt the user or whatever). Right now it doesn't but a simple ^C will stop it. Hope this is useful. Cheers. Eugen. -- Luchezer P. Petkov Hi, I've seen Ruby-EFL and I do plan to write a couple of nice apps with it. Cool :) I'm looking forward I just haven't had that much time lately (does this seem familiar? :) ) You can't imagine how much.. :-) I can do a bit of C so I might try to do things in C as well. Maybe you'd like to improve the EFL Ruby bindings? And as for the license, yes, it's BSD Cool! (it says so at the beginning of the my_e.rb file). Sory.. I'm just blind :) Regards, Eugen. -- Luchezer P. Petkov - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] EDC Editor first try
Execute? Etch(er)? Ethereal? (the best, imho) EnDesign? ;-) - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] (e16) update of ja.po for e16
I wasn't unhappy and this is not a problem... I was just curious :) On 11/8/06, Kim Woelders [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yasufumi Haga wrote: On Tue, 7 Nov 2006 21:30:36 +0200, Luchezar Petkov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | What happened to the enlightenment-intl ml? | | On 11/7/06, Kim Woelders [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | | Yasufumi Haga wrote: | Hi all | | This is an update of ja.po for e16 checked out | on November 6. | | Thanks, committed. When I asked Kim where I should post the ja.po updates for e16 in mid-December, 2005, he gave me the answer that he'd prefer the e-devel list. More precisely I recieved it from Kim on 19 December, 2005 (+0900). So I've been posting my updates to e-devel list since then. So this has become a problem? Sigh. Oh well... Actually, I'd prefer that you commit the updates yourself :) If you are more comfortable with sending po replacements or patches, like I said back then, I'd prefer them to go to the e-devel list. However, to avoid causing great unhappiness, we should probably move to e-intl. /Kim -- --- Luchezer P. Petkov - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] EDC Editor first try
On 11/8/06, DaveMDS [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, Hi I'm working on an edc editor, something like glade but for the edje file. Great! I have just done all the parsing of the edc file and the inteface (for now using gtk2). Make it Etk :) Would be easy, I think. Screenshot, please :-) Now I'm going to do the evas design window. Has someone just made some work on this? I'm not sure, but I don't think so. Do you think it's useful? Yes. Very useful. Especially it can help somehow with theme-ing... Thanks DaveMDS PS: Some idea for the application name? my first choice is 'ertist' but need suggestion. Excallibur? - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel -- Luchezer P. Petkov - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] EDC Editor first try
Edesigner ? Patterns like *designer are too much used for programs like this, but I don't have a better suggestion now. Actually, does it really need to start with the letter E? -- Arnaldo M. Pereira egghunt at gmail.com http://www.ansi-c.org/~arnaldo -- Luchezer P. Petkov - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] external applications on EFL
On 11/7/06, Kapelonis Kostis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello list Hello. I have launched recently my own pet project which is using the EFL libraries. Good. See http://elevate.sourceforge.net/screenshots.html Looks... well, strange. :) Will try it when I have more free time. I mention on the site that the EFL are currently unreleased. I also urge people who want to download EFL to use the freedesktop snapshots and not the CVS code. Good. I am asking the core EFL developers which of the following applies. 1. The EFL are under constant change. The core developers do not want any external applications to build on them, until they are officially released. This way they won't have any pressure to keep a stable API in case the EFL become too popular before the 1.0 release. 2. The EFL are under constant change. The core developers DO want external applications to build on them, even though they are not officially released. This way the EFL get publicity, Bug reports, and beta testing. Well, I'm not a coder myself, and I am not the author of EFL. But, I think we're more close to the second. As more users we have - as more coders will join us. More bugs/leaks will be fixed. More features will be added. Etc. And you know... all the libs are BSD licensed. So, you can use them for whatever you want. So basically should I continue with my application? So, yes, nothing and no one stops you. Just be very careful. Nothing is stable, finished and released. I recommend you to wait for EFL developers to release the libraries and then to release your EFL-based software. Keep it in pre-alpha. This is only my opinion, of course, let's see what the EFL authors will say. ;) Thanks. You're welcome. - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] API References
On 11/6/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Hello a newbie wanting to help Help is always welcome. is facing a big challenge: how to get EFL API References ? http://enlightenment.org/docs/ Doxy (1) And btw, E17/EFL are bad documented. Not because programmers are lazy to write docs... APIs are just changing very fast. Once you learn the basics... you'll have to look at the code for documentation. This is pre-alpha software. It cannot be well documented. (1) http://www.stack.nl/~dimitri/doxygen/ Michel - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] (e16) update of ja.po for e16
What happened to the enlightenment-intl ml? On 11/7/06, Kim Woelders [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yasufumi Haga wrote: Hi all This is an update of ja.po for e16 checked out on November 6. Thanks, committed. /Kim - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel -- --- Luchezer P. Petkov - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
