Re: [E-devel] E17 in Twitter...
On Thursday, 14 May 2009, at 10:22:19 (+0200), Thomas Gst?dtner wrote: > If people tried to keep it simple without a service to limit them this > would be no "advantage" at all. > E.g. many blog systems support a digest, if you click on it you see > the full message (not saying blogs would be the ultimate solution to > replace twitter). > The links to the details are probably the worst thing at all: because > of that limit everyone uses those unspeakable tinyurls... I never said it was an advantage. I just said it wasn't a big deal. > Unfortunately most people (even professionals) have to run after > every trend. Hogwash. Fads come and go, but very few products become vernacular verbs. Sites that even technophobes have heard of have that level of recognition for a reason -- they offer something unique and significant. Twitter is not just a "trend." It offers specific unique features which are valuable to businesses and users alike. Especially in tough economic times, businesses are not prone to wasting money paying people to goof off on the Internet as part of their job. Yet numerous businesses pay people to tweet and to follow others' tweets. Why? Because their is business value in being able to catch people bitching about your company and try to resolve their complaints in a way which is visible to the same audience which was privvy to the original complaint. That's not a fad; that's a revolutionary reduction in the gap separating companies and customers. > I bet most professionals who use twitter also use facebook, > myspace and at least one other "social network". So what? I use all of those sites myself. You say that as though there's something wrong with it. > This is going so far, that some of those professionals advertise for > this companies actively by making information available only for > other registered users (this beeing a problem in social networks, > not twitter (yet)). In the end it isn't of much use and the > 140-char limit might improve the communication skills of some > people, but not the information flow, so you always end up looking > for really relevant or really interesting information (having to > sort 90% 140-char messages out). Wrong again. You can say a lot in 140 characters. I know of one specific case recently where a friend of mine bitched about a particular ISP in a tweet (sent from his Nokia E-series, I might add), and within minutes he was contacted by representatives of that very ISP offering to help resolve his dissatisfaction. The simple fact is that part of Twitter's success is the 140-character limit. It gives people an excuse for both brevity and frequency. > That's not what I meant. Of course it can, and would be, official, > but imho lacks the official style of information on the own website. That doesn't make any sense. If you mean its style is informal, that's not a bad thing. Not everyone wants to feel like they are inferior. > Was talking about the user, not the author. And imho this > webinterface is terrible. You can also receive Twitter updates via SMS, RSS, web, mobile apps, ...even Facebook. Works both ways. Here's the bottom line: Different people like to get their information in different ways. I think the CIA bot is a repugnant idea, but lots of people love it. If someone is willing to disseminate information in a way that others will find useful, stop discouraging them. It doesn't hurt you, and it will probably help the community overall. Michael -- Michael Jennings (a.k.a. KainX) http://www.kainx.org/ Linux Server/Cluster Admin, LBL.gov Author, Eterm (www.eterm.org) --- "We cannot offer you a position at this time, but you are obviously qualified. Unfortunately, the other six billion people on Earth are more qualified." -- Dogbert, from the "Dilbert" cartoons -- Crystal Reports - New Free Runtime and 30 Day Trial Check out the new simplified licensing option that enables unlimited royalty-free distribution of the report engine for externally facing server and web deployment. http://p.sf.net/sfu/businessobjects ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] E17 in Twitter...
On Thu, 14 May 2009 10:32:38 +0200 Thomas Gstädtner said: > On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 3:45 AM, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri > wrote: > > my 2 cents on this: I'd not use it as i'm not twitter guy myself, but > > I see value in Massimiliano's work and since he is not stopping any > > development work on his front, it's just bonus... > > Of course he is free to do whatever he wants, it's a free world (erm, > however). I'm sure this won't keep him from doing his work, but I'm still a > little disappointed that there is so much discussion about the latest > "web2.0" services while in the last 2 years there has been less than > 30 minutes work on writing for e.org stuff. > > Before there are any complaints about me complaining and not actually > doing stuff: I'd be free to write small news/articles about new stuff > in E world (taking from the svn commits and discussion on the ML which > I follow). If there won't be a possibility to do this directly on > e.org, maybe planet.e.org would be a way if andres improves it like he > said. However, with the information being available on twitter this > would of course be redundant, so I'm not sure if it's still a good > idea. then DO it! i've suggesting this may times over the years. it hasn't really been taken up by anyone. :) > > if raster stops > > hacking and starts twittering then I'd find out a FUCKING HUGE STICK > > and beat him to death :-) > > You'd have to lend me that stick. :) > > > Go massimilano, go! > > > > > > On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 12:30 PM, Massimiliano Calamelli > > wrote: > >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > >> Hash: SHA1 > >> > >> Hello, I'm doing a little test to see how a Twitter account could > >> be integrated into our community. > >> > >> The account is here: > >> http://www.twitter.com/edevel > >> > >> For it now contains tweets about significative changelogs or mails, but > >> obviously can contains all of interesting things about E. > >> > >> Being a test, it isn't not ufficially publicized (just an entry in the > >> Facebook's fan page), but imho looks good. > >> The email registered for this account is mine, but this can be changed > >> easily; same thing for password. > >> > >> What do you think about? > >> > >> Ciao > >> > >> Massimiliano > >> - -- > >> Massimiliano Calamelli > >> http://www.mcalamelli.net > >> mcalame...@gmail.com > >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > >> Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) > >> > >> iD8DBQFKCZYnleGEL56NNP4RAqrOAKDOdkcfTqrOgA4gyrKvRT+AmP/vDQCfSdiV > >> 3sNx3jMPfeJTWLChYwki2A4= > >> =oDxz > >> -END PGP SIGNATURE- > >> > >> -- > >> The NEW KODAK i700 Series Scanners deliver under ANY circumstances! Your > >> production scanning environment may not be a perfect world - but thanks to > >> Kodak, there's a perfect scanner to get the job done! With the NEW KODAK > >> i700 Series Scanner you'll get full speed at 300 dpi even with all image > >> processing features enabled. http://p.sf.net/sfu/kodak-com > >> ___ > >> enlightenment-devel mailing list > >> enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri > > http://profusion.mobi embedded systems > > -- > > MSN: barbi...@gmail.com > > Skype: gsbarbieri > > Mobile: +55 (19) 9225-2202 > > > > -- > > The NEW KODAK i700 Series Scanners deliver under ANY circumstances! Your > > production scanning environment may not be a perfect world - but thanks to > > Kodak, there's a perfect scanner to get the job done! With the NEW KODAK > > i700 Series Scanner you'll get full speed at 300 dpi even with all image > > processing features enabled. http://p.sf.net/sfu/kodak-com > > ___ > > enlightenment-devel mailing list > > enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel > > > > -- > The NEW KODAK i700 Series Scanners deliver under ANY circumstances! Your > production scanning environment may not be a perfect world - but thanks to > Kodak, there's a perfect scanner to get the job done! With the NEW KODAK i700 > Series Scanner you'll get full speed at 300 dpi even with all image > processing features enabled. http://p.sf.net/sfu/kodak-com > ___ > enlightenment-devel mailing list > enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel > -- - Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)ras...@rasterman.com --
Re: [E-devel] E17 in Twitter...
On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 1:32 PM, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote: > On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 8:10 AM, Luchezar Petkov > wrote: > > I think the biggest problem here is that we actually don't ... make much > > news related to end users. Code is being commited daily, but thats mostly > > cleanups, (small) bug fixes, refactoring, etc. Not much new features > added > > to E, nor some really cool apps are being actively developed. And blogs > and > > Twitter are for the end users who just want to follow the progress of the > E > > project. The others are subscribing to e-users, devs are on this ml and > > certainly don't need additional ways to inform themselves. > > I really disagree with this. Over the past months we dig, among other > things: > - systray, getting ride of one of the most requested gadgets. > - lots of efm improvements, progress indicator and all. > - places menu was integrated, sharing gtk-bookmarks with gnome/gtk apps. > - fdo icons and option to let users override e icons with fdo icon set. > - offline and presentation modes. > - parallax effect for desktop panning/background. > - edge bindings. > - scaling factors. > - ui improvements as syscon and conf modules, with better dialogs. > > having someone that is not the developer to write small articles > (blog) or just announcing its existence (twitter) would help people to > know about that, how e17 is changing and etc... > > But we should not receive drastic changes, at least not many, in the > next months. While raster still plan to finish wallpaper2 and move > other dialogs to be similar to it (init themes, themes...), we're > doing http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/wiki/Release and quite close to > finish it on the user interface front. > Excuse me then, I should have checked and payed more attention on this things before wriing. Well then I see no problem with people twittering about this stuff, maybe the twits can even appear on E's front page as news or .. short news (there's plenty of white space anyway). > -- Luchezar P. Petkov http://luchko.net -- The NEW KODAK i700 Series Scanners deliver under ANY circumstances! Your production scanning environment may not be a perfect world - but thanks to Kodak, there's a perfect scanner to get the job done! With the NEW KODAK i700 Series Scanner you'll get full speed at 300 dpi even with all image processing features enabled. http://p.sf.net/sfu/kodak-com ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] E17 in Twitter...
On Wed, 13 May 2009 22:45:56 -0300 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri said: > my 2 cents on this: I'd not use it as i'm not twitter guy myself, but > I see value in Massimiliano's work and since he is not stopping any > development work on his front, it's just bonus... if raster stops > hacking and starts twittering then I'd find out a FUCKING HUGE STICK > and beat him to death :-) fuck yeah. and you do that. the day i start twittering is the day i give up on e and throw it in the bin. i barely keep up with my email and irc - screw twittering. now... whaat MIGHT be useful is if.. someone reads svn commits and twitters about them as a summary. i dont much care how - but news that is already there in a news feed - svn commit mailing list, exists. someone who reads and things that are interesting writes a quick ditty about. it'd like any of these twitters to be available at the least as a link from e.org. thats my 2 cents on this. i wont be twittering. i just dont have the time. code has to be done and twitter simply takes time away from that. there are peolpe with a less packed schedule who like to write micro-blogs (twitter) and they would perform and awesome service if they just read devel list and svn commits - if a log entry looked interesting - or a mail with info, twitter about it. not abut the latest "my e doesnt build" but "gustavo added systray and notification modules to the core e tree today, now they are default. this means out-of-the box support for these". or "raster added a new wallpaper config dialog to e that does funky animations"... etc. whoever does something interesting/cool/useful - blab about it. most of us doing these things are too busy doing them and dont have time to blab :) > Go massimilano, go! > > > On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 12:30 PM, Massimiliano Calamelli > wrote: > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > Hello, I'm doing a little test to see how a Twitter account could > > be integrated into our community. > > > > The account is here: > > http://www.twitter.com/edevel > > > > For it now contains tweets about significative changelogs or mails, but > > obviously can contains all of interesting things about E. > > > > Being a test, it isn't not ufficially publicized (just an entry in the > > Facebook's fan page), but imho looks good. > > The email registered for this account is mine, but this can be changed > > easily; same thing for password. > > > > What do you think about? > > > > Ciao > > > > Massimiliano > > - -- > > Massimiliano Calamelli > > http://www.mcalamelli.net > > mcalame...@gmail.com > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > > Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) > > > > iD8DBQFKCZYnleGEL56NNP4RAqrOAKDOdkcfTqrOgA4gyrKvRT+AmP/vDQCfSdiV > > 3sNx3jMPfeJTWLChYwki2A4= > > =oDxz > > -END PGP SIGNATURE- > > > > -- > > The NEW KODAK i700 Series Scanners deliver under ANY circumstances! Your > > production scanning environment may not be a perfect world - but thanks to > > Kodak, there's a perfect scanner to get the job done! With the NEW KODAK > > i700 Series Scanner you'll get full speed at 300 dpi even with all image > > processing features enabled. http://p.sf.net/sfu/kodak-com > > ___ > > enlightenment-devel mailing list > > enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel > > > > > > -- > Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri > http://profusion.mobi embedded systems > -- > MSN: barbi...@gmail.com > Skype: gsbarbieri > Mobile: +55 (19) 9225-2202 > > -- > The NEW KODAK i700 Series Scanners deliver under ANY circumstances! Your > production scanning environment may not be a perfect world - but thanks to > Kodak, there's a perfect scanner to get the job done! With the NEW KODAK i700 > Series Scanner you'll get full speed at 300 dpi even with all image > processing features enabled. http://p.sf.net/sfu/kodak-com > ___ > enlightenment-devel mailing list > enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel > -- - Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)ras...@rasterman.com -- The NEW KODAK i700 Series Scanners deliver under ANY circumstances! Your production scanning environment may not be a perfect world - but thanks to Kodak, there's a perfect scanner to get the job done! With the NEW KODAK i700 Series Scanner you'll get full speed at 300 dpi even with all image processing features enabled. http://p.sf.net/sfu/kodak-com ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sour
Re: [E-devel] E17 in Twitter...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, 14 May 2009 13:33:54 +0200 Thomas Gstädtner wrote: > That's exactly what I think. As I said, if there is interest I'd be > free as an author, even though I'm not a dev and only sent some > trivial patches. For me, thumbs up :) Being or not a dev isn't a problem, imho prerequisites should be good english and understanding of E in various levels, depending to the type of article you want to write. In this way we move in the right direction. Massimiliano - -- Massimiliano Calamelli http://www.mcalamelli.net mcalame...@gmail.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) iD8DBQFKDAU5leGEL56NNP4RAikqAJ4/oWUoMUrcKyzATeK8u+0SLK8LZQCg4dk7 hMUQHGH6wZA2t9uvx/PvZc4= =OcFI -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- The NEW KODAK i700 Series Scanners deliver under ANY circumstances! Your production scanning environment may not be a perfect world - but thanks to Kodak, there's a perfect scanner to get the job done! With the NEW KODAK i700 Series Scanner you'll get full speed at 300 dpi even with all image processing features enabled. http://p.sf.net/sfu/kodak-com ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] E17 in Twitter...
On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 12:48 PM, Massimiliano Calamelli wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Thu, 14 May 2009 10:32:38 +0200 > Thomas Gstädtner wrote: > >> Of course he is free to do whatever he wants, it's a free world (erm, >> however). >> I'm sure this won't keep him from doing his work, but I'm still a >> little disappointed that there is so much discussion about the latest >> "web2.0" services while in the last 2 years there has been less than >> 30 minutes work on writing for e.org stuff. > > I confirm that I want to go on, for now; it is too earl for me to see > if this test is useful or not. Anyway I'll keep in mind your and > other's objection, this discussion is very useful, imho. > >> Before there are any complaints about me complaining and not actually >> doing stuff: I'd be free to write small news/articles about new stuff >> in E world (taking from the svn commits and discussion on the ML which >> I follow). If there won't be a possibility to do this directly on >> e.org, maybe planet.e.org would be a way if andres improves it like he >> said. However, with the information being available on twitter this >> would of course be redundant, so I'm not sure if it's still a good >> idea. > > I want to be clear, again. > NEWS/ARTICLES/BLOG ARE FUNDAMENTAL FOR OUR COMMUNITY. > ANYONE THAT WANTS TO DO THAT ARE WELCOME. > > And about planet.e.org, it is a good start, but imho we need more than > an aggregator, we need something more "official", something like a > "corporate blog". That's exactly what I think. As I said, if there is interest I'd be free as an author, even though I'm not a dev and only sent some trivial patches. > I'm not so skilled about english to do that, i usually write about E in > my blog, only in italian language. > > Last (for now, i've to tweet about latest commits :) ), i think having > tweets and posts/articles is not redundant, there are not comparable. > If you like RSS feed, you can subcribe to the RSS blog stream, and if > you like Twitter, you can start follow our (unofficial) account. > There's some redundancy if you follow edevel on twitter AND you > subscribe to the RSS stream of this account, but this is not our > problem, it is just your choice. > > Let me do a little example of what i do for my posts (obviously imo this > is a good way); ah, note that i'm registered to Twitter (T), FriendFeed > (FF) and Facebook (FB). > > When I write a new post: > * FF detects an activity in my RSS stream, got title and URL > * FF add this new entry in my streamline > * FF shortens the URL, and make a tweet with title and short URL in my > T streamline > * I linked the T status to the FB status, so every tweet changes my FB > status > > What i got? With one shot I notified all of my contacs that follow me > by RSS feed in blog, FF, T and FB. > With this little chain I cover four different way to tell to my > friends/contacts that i done something new. > > I'm not saying we have to do that for E, this is sure, it is just to > explain because i think the twitter presence non redundant. > >> > if raster stops >> > hacking and starts twittering then I'd find out a FUCKING HUGE STICK >> > and beat him to death :-) >> >> You'd have to lend me that stick. :) > > Please be careful about my head :) > > Massimiliano > - -- > Massimiliano Calamelli > http://www.mcalamelli.net > mcalame...@gmail.com > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) > > iD8DBQFKC/b0leGEL56NNP4RAganAJ0VxLXEvyV2ccQAY914E9Pk0JRINACgkw+Z > WulMQYH+hfWNBktdpAKW8ds= > =gW5K > -END PGP SIGNATURE- > -- The NEW KODAK i700 Series Scanners deliver under ANY circumstances! Your production scanning environment may not be a perfect world - but thanks to Kodak, there's a perfect scanner to get the job done! With the NEW KODAK i700 Series Scanner you'll get full speed at 300 dpi even with all image processing features enabled. http://p.sf.net/sfu/kodak-com ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] E17 in Twitter...
On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 8:10 AM, Luchezar Petkov wrote: > I think the biggest problem here is that we actually don't ... make much > news related to end users. Code is being commited daily, but thats mostly > cleanups, (small) bug fixes, refactoring, etc. Not much new features added > to E, nor some really cool apps are being actively developed. And blogs and > Twitter are for the end users who just want to follow the progress of the E > project. The others are subscribing to e-users, devs are on this ml and > certainly don't need additional ways to inform themselves. I really disagree with this. Over the past months we dig, among other things: - systray, getting ride of one of the most requested gadgets. - lots of efm improvements, progress indicator and all. - places menu was integrated, sharing gtk-bookmarks with gnome/gtk apps. - fdo icons and option to let users override e icons with fdo icon set. - offline and presentation modes. - parallax effect for desktop panning/background. - edge bindings. - scaling factors. - ui improvements as syscon and conf modules, with better dialogs. having someone that is not the developer to write small articles (blog) or just announcing its existence (twitter) would help people to know about that, how e17 is changing and etc... But we should not receive drastic changes, at least not many, in the next months. While raster still plan to finish wallpaper2 and move other dialogs to be similar to it (init themes, themes...), we're doing http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/wiki/Release and quite close to finish it on the user interface front. -- Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri http://profusion.mobi embedded systems -- MSN: barbi...@gmail.com Skype: gsbarbieri Mobile: +55 (19) 9225-2202 -- The NEW KODAK i700 Series Scanners deliver under ANY circumstances! Your production scanning environment may not be a perfect world - but thanks to Kodak, there's a perfect scanner to get the job done! With the NEW KODAK i700 Series Scanner you'll get full speed at 300 dpi even with all image processing features enabled. http://p.sf.net/sfu/kodak-com ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] E17 in Twitter...
I was actually supposed to run a blog about E stuff, but due to... a lot of reasons I stopped. It wasn't anything official (not linked from e.org) anyway. Afaik someone else made the same effort (in the same time with me, thats one of the reasons)Last time I talked with people (well, programmers..) about this stuff we figured its enough to just have up to date news on the site with RSS and all. Then having a blog wont be needed. Twitter is another thing, tho, so if you or someone else wants to twit stuff about whats happening in E - just go ahead. I wish lots of followers. I think the biggest problem here is that we actually don't ... make much news related to end users. Code is being commited daily, but thats mostly cleanups, (small) bug fixes, refactoring, etc. Not much new features added to E, nor some really cool apps are being actively developed. And blogs and Twitter are for the end users who just want to follow the progress of the E project. The others are subscribing to e-users, devs are on this ml and certainly don't need additional ways to inform themselves. On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 12:48 PM, Massimiliano Calamelli < mcalame...@gmail.com> wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Thu, 14 May 2009 10:32:38 +0200 > Thomas Gstädtner wrote: > > > Of course he is free to do whatever he wants, it's a free world (erm, > however). > > I'm sure this won't keep him from doing his work, but I'm still a > > little disappointed that there is so much discussion about the latest > > "web2.0" services while in the last 2 years there has been less than > > 30 minutes work on writing for e.org stuff. > > I confirm that I want to go on, for now; it is too earl for me to see > if this test is useful or not. Anyway I'll keep in mind your and > other's objection, this discussion is very useful, imho. > > > Before there are any complaints about me complaining and not actually > > doing stuff: I'd be free to write small news/articles about new stuff > > in E world (taking from the svn commits and discussion on the ML which > > I follow). If there won't be a possibility to do this directly on > > e.org, maybe planet.e.org would be a way if andres improves it like he > > said. However, with the information being available on twitter this > > would of course be redundant, so I'm not sure if it's still a good > > idea. > > I want to be clear, again. > NEWS/ARTICLES/BLOG ARE FUNDAMENTAL FOR OUR COMMUNITY. > ANYONE THAT WANTS TO DO THAT ARE WELCOME. > > And about planet.e.org, it is a good start, but imho we need more than > an aggregator, we need something more "official", something like a > "corporate blog". > > I'm not so skilled about english to do that, i usually write about E in > my blog, only in italian language. > > Last (for now, i've to tweet about latest commits :) ), i think having > tweets and posts/articles is not redundant, there are not comparable. > If you like RSS feed, you can subcribe to the RSS blog stream, and if > you like Twitter, you can start follow our (unofficial) account. > There's some redundancy if you follow edevel on twitter AND you > subscribe to the RSS stream of this account, but this is not our > problem, it is just your choice. > > Let me do a little example of what i do for my posts (obviously imo this > is a good way); ah, note that i'm registered to Twitter (T), FriendFeed > (FF) and Facebook (FB). > > When I write a new post: > * FF detects an activity in my RSS stream, got title and URL > * FF add this new entry in my streamline > * FF shortens the URL, and make a tweet with title and short URL in my > T streamline > * I linked the T status to the FB status, so every tweet changes my FB > status > > What i got? With one shot I notified all of my contacs that follow me > by RSS feed in blog, FF, T and FB. > With this little chain I cover four different way to tell to my > friends/contacts that i done something new. > > I'm not saying we have to do that for E, this is sure, it is just to > explain because i think the twitter presence non redundant. > > > > if raster stops > > > hacking and starts twittering then I'd find out a FUCKING HUGE STICK > > > and beat him to death :-) > > > > You'd have to lend me that stick. :) > > Please be careful about my head :) > > Massimiliano > - -- > Massimiliano Calamelli > http://www.mcalamelli.net > mcalame...@gmail.com > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) > > iD8DBQFKC/b0leGEL56NNP4RAganAJ0VxLXEvyV2ccQAY914E9Pk0JRINACgkw+Z > WulMQYH+hfWNBktdpAKW8ds= > =gW5K > -END PGP SIGNATURE- > > > -- > The NEW KODAK i700 Series Scanners deliver under ANY circumstances! Your > production scanning environment may not be a perfect world - but thanks to > Kodak, there's a perfect scanner to get the job done! With the NEW KODAK > i700 > Series Scanner you'll get full speed at 300 dpi even with all image > processing features ena
Re: [E-devel] E17 in Twitter...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, 14 May 2009 10:32:38 +0200 Thomas Gstädtner wrote: > Of course he is free to do whatever he wants, it's a free world (erm, > however). > I'm sure this won't keep him from doing his work, but I'm still a > little disappointed that there is so much discussion about the latest > "web2.0" services while in the last 2 years there has been less than > 30 minutes work on writing for e.org stuff. I confirm that I want to go on, for now; it is too earl for me to see if this test is useful or not. Anyway I'll keep in mind your and other's objection, this discussion is very useful, imho. > Before there are any complaints about me complaining and not actually > doing stuff: I'd be free to write small news/articles about new stuff > in E world (taking from the svn commits and discussion on the ML which > I follow). If there won't be a possibility to do this directly on > e.org, maybe planet.e.org would be a way if andres improves it like he > said. However, with the information being available on twitter this > would of course be redundant, so I'm not sure if it's still a good > idea. I want to be clear, again. NEWS/ARTICLES/BLOG ARE FUNDAMENTAL FOR OUR COMMUNITY. ANYONE THAT WANTS TO DO THAT ARE WELCOME. And about planet.e.org, it is a good start, but imho we need more than an aggregator, we need something more "official", something like a "corporate blog". I'm not so skilled about english to do that, i usually write about E in my blog, only in italian language. Last (for now, i've to tweet about latest commits :) ), i think having tweets and posts/articles is not redundant, there are not comparable. If you like RSS feed, you can subcribe to the RSS blog stream, and if you like Twitter, you can start follow our (unofficial) account. There's some redundancy if you follow edevel on twitter AND you subscribe to the RSS stream of this account, but this is not our problem, it is just your choice. Let me do a little example of what i do for my posts (obviously imo this is a good way); ah, note that i'm registered to Twitter (T), FriendFeed (FF) and Facebook (FB). When I write a new post: * FF detects an activity in my RSS stream, got title and URL * FF add this new entry in my streamline * FF shortens the URL, and make a tweet with title and short URL in my T streamline * I linked the T status to the FB status, so every tweet changes my FB status What i got? With one shot I notified all of my contacs that follow me by RSS feed in blog, FF, T and FB. With this little chain I cover four different way to tell to my friends/contacts that i done something new. I'm not saying we have to do that for E, this is sure, it is just to explain because i think the twitter presence non redundant. > > if raster stops > > hacking and starts twittering then I'd find out a FUCKING HUGE STICK > > and beat him to death :-) > > You'd have to lend me that stick. :) Please be careful about my head :) Massimiliano - -- Massimiliano Calamelli http://www.mcalamelli.net mcalame...@gmail.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) iD8DBQFKC/b0leGEL56NNP4RAganAJ0VxLXEvyV2ccQAY914E9Pk0JRINACgkw+Z WulMQYH+hfWNBktdpAKW8ds= =gW5K -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- The NEW KODAK i700 Series Scanners deliver under ANY circumstances! Your production scanning environment may not be a perfect world - but thanks to Kodak, there's a perfect scanner to get the job done! With the NEW KODAK i700 Series Scanner you'll get full speed at 300 dpi even with all image processing features enabled. http://p.sf.net/sfu/kodak-com ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] E17 in Twitter...
On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 3:45 AM, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote: > my 2 cents on this: I'd not use it as i'm not twitter guy myself, but > I see value in Massimiliano's work and since he is not stopping any > development work on his front, it's just bonus... Of course he is free to do whatever he wants, it's a free world (erm, however). I'm sure this won't keep him from doing his work, but I'm still a little disappointed that there is so much discussion about the latest "web2.0" services while in the last 2 years there has been less than 30 minutes work on writing for e.org stuff. Before there are any complaints about me complaining and not actually doing stuff: I'd be free to write small news/articles about new stuff in E world (taking from the svn commits and discussion on the ML which I follow). If there won't be a possibility to do this directly on e.org, maybe planet.e.org would be a way if andres improves it like he said. However, with the information being available on twitter this would of course be redundant, so I'm not sure if it's still a good idea. > if raster stops > hacking and starts twittering then I'd find out a FUCKING HUGE STICK > and beat him to death :-) You'd have to lend me that stick. :) > Go massimilano, go! > > > On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 12:30 PM, Massimiliano Calamelli > wrote: >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> Hello, I'm doing a little test to see how a Twitter account could >> be integrated into our community. >> >> The account is here: >> http://www.twitter.com/edevel >> >> For it now contains tweets about significative changelogs or mails, but >> obviously can contains all of interesting things about E. >> >> Being a test, it isn't not ufficially publicized (just an entry in the >> Facebook's fan page), but imho looks good. >> The email registered for this account is mine, but this can be changed >> easily; same thing for password. >> >> What do you think about? >> >> Ciao >> >> Massimiliano >> - -- >> Massimiliano Calamelli >> http://www.mcalamelli.net >> mcalame...@gmail.com >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- >> Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) >> >> iD8DBQFKCZYnleGEL56NNP4RAqrOAKDOdkcfTqrOgA4gyrKvRT+AmP/vDQCfSdiV >> 3sNx3jMPfeJTWLChYwki2A4= >> =oDxz >> -END PGP SIGNATURE- >> >> -- >> The NEW KODAK i700 Series Scanners deliver under ANY circumstances! Your >> production scanning environment may not be a perfect world - but thanks to >> Kodak, there's a perfect scanner to get the job done! With the NEW KODAK i700 >> Series Scanner you'll get full speed at 300 dpi even with all image >> processing features enabled. http://p.sf.net/sfu/kodak-com >> ___ >> enlightenment-devel mailing list >> enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel >> > > > > -- > Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri > http://profusion.mobi embedded systems > -- > MSN: barbi...@gmail.com > Skype: gsbarbieri > Mobile: +55 (19) 9225-2202 > > -- > The NEW KODAK i700 Series Scanners deliver under ANY circumstances! Your > production scanning environment may not be a perfect world - but thanks to > Kodak, there's a perfect scanner to get the job done! With the NEW KODAK i700 > Series Scanner you'll get full speed at 300 dpi even with all image > processing features enabled. http://p.sf.net/sfu/kodak-com > ___ > enlightenment-devel mailing list > enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel > -- The NEW KODAK i700 Series Scanners deliver under ANY circumstances! Your production scanning environment may not be a perfect world - but thanks to Kodak, there's a perfect scanner to get the job done! With the NEW KODAK i700 Series Scanner you'll get full speed at 300 dpi even with all image processing features enabled. http://p.sf.net/sfu/kodak-com ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] E17 in Twitter...
On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 8:39 PM, Michael Jennings wrote: > On Wednesday, 13 May 2009, at 13:38:30 (+0200), > Thomas Gst?dtner wrote: > >> Why waste time and ressources for such a useless service that >> doesn't have any advantage over anything else, instead of >> maintaining a official information source on e.org with 1) no 140 >> char limit 2) more professionalism 3) a more official character 4) a >> proper standard to get the news (RSS) 5) far better usability. I >> really can't understand why every new hype has to be adopted while >> the official sources are hardly maintained at all. > > 1. The 140-character limit is fairly soft, and it keeps things to > digestible chunks with links to the details. If people tried to keep it simple without a service to limit them this would be no "advantage" at all. E.g. many blog systems support a digest, if you click on it you see the full message (not saying blogs would be the ultimate solution to replace twitter). The links to the details are probably the worst thing at all: because of that limit everyone uses those unspeakable tinyurls... > 2. If you think there is a lack of professionals on Twitter, you > clearly haven't used it. Unfortunately most people (even professionals) have to run after every trend. I bet most professionals who use twitter also use facebook, myspace and at least one other "social network". This is going so far, that some of those professionals advertise for this companies actively by making information available only for other registered users (this beeing a problem in social networks, not twitter (yet)). In the end it isn't of much use and the 140-char limit might improve the communication skills of some people, but not the information flow, so you always end up looking for really relevant or really interesting information (having to sort 90% 140-char messages out). > 3. It would be as official as we made it. That's not what I meant. Of course it can, and would be, official, but imho lacks the official style of information on the own website. > 4. Twitter also has an RSS feed. Your point? Didn't know, but fine, might work for me. > 5. Twitter can be updated via SMS, countless phone-based > applications, the web, and (IIRC) e-mail. How, exactly, is that > less "usable" than the E web site? Was talking about the user, not the author. And imho this webinterface is terrible. > Michael > > -- > Michael Jennings (a.k.a. KainX) http://www.kainx.org/ > Linux Server/Cluster Admin, LBL.gov Author, Eterm (www.eterm.org) > --- > "It doesn't take a lot of strength to hang on. It takes a lot of > strength to let go." -- Rep. JC Watts, Jr. > > -- > The NEW KODAK i700 Series Scanners deliver under ANY circumstances! Your > production scanning environment may not be a perfect world - but thanks to > Kodak, there's a perfect scanner to get the job done! With the NEW KODAK i700 > Series Scanner you'll get full speed at 300 dpi even with all image > processing features enabled. http://p.sf.net/sfu/kodak-com > ___ > enlightenment-devel mailing list > enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel > -- The NEW KODAK i700 Series Scanners deliver under ANY circumstances! Your production scanning environment may not be a perfect world - but thanks to Kodak, there's a perfect scanner to get the job done! With the NEW KODAK i700 Series Scanner you'll get full speed at 300 dpi even with all image processing features enabled. http://p.sf.net/sfu/kodak-com ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] E17 in Twitter...
my 2 cents on this: I'd not use it as i'm not twitter guy myself, but I see value in Massimiliano's work and since he is not stopping any development work on his front, it's just bonus... if raster stops hacking and starts twittering then I'd find out a FUCKING HUGE STICK and beat him to death :-) Go massimilano, go! On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 12:30 PM, Massimiliano Calamelli wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hello, I'm doing a little test to see how a Twitter account could > be integrated into our community. > > The account is here: > http://www.twitter.com/edevel > > For it now contains tweets about significative changelogs or mails, but > obviously can contains all of interesting things about E. > > Being a test, it isn't not ufficially publicized (just an entry in the > Facebook's fan page), but imho looks good. > The email registered for this account is mine, but this can be changed > easily; same thing for password. > > What do you think about? > > Ciao > > Massimiliano > - -- > Massimiliano Calamelli > http://www.mcalamelli.net > mcalame...@gmail.com > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) > > iD8DBQFKCZYnleGEL56NNP4RAqrOAKDOdkcfTqrOgA4gyrKvRT+AmP/vDQCfSdiV > 3sNx3jMPfeJTWLChYwki2A4= > =oDxz > -END PGP SIGNATURE- > > -- > The NEW KODAK i700 Series Scanners deliver under ANY circumstances! Your > production scanning environment may not be a perfect world - but thanks to > Kodak, there's a perfect scanner to get the job done! With the NEW KODAK i700 > Series Scanner you'll get full speed at 300 dpi even with all image > processing features enabled. http://p.sf.net/sfu/kodak-com > ___ > enlightenment-devel mailing list > enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel > -- Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri http://profusion.mobi embedded systems -- MSN: barbi...@gmail.com Skype: gsbarbieri Mobile: +55 (19) 9225-2202 -- The NEW KODAK i700 Series Scanners deliver under ANY circumstances! Your production scanning environment may not be a perfect world - but thanks to Kodak, there's a perfect scanner to get the job done! With the NEW KODAK i700 Series Scanner you'll get full speed at 300 dpi even with all image processing features enabled. http://p.sf.net/sfu/kodak-com ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] E17 in Twitter...
(not answering to anyone in particular) Planet E should be the "enlightenment blog". Currently it is usless because is filled with non-enlightenment news but I plan to fix that with some filters after finishing the website design, it should be simple enough. For users, eXchange has a RSS feed for new (or updated) themes and applications, there is no need for apps to be finished -in fact, most arent- so its the perfect place to announce and distribute beta EFL applications and receive feedback. This RSS capability should be displayed more prominently in the site. Other than tat, the more channels of comunication open to the outside world the better. We don't know what the preferences of our users -or would be users- are. Its not like there is an obligation to keep it open if it becomes a burden to mantain. If there is a image concern for professionalism simply label them unnoficial and be done with it, users will suscribe anyway. On Wednesday 13 May 2009 20:20:13 Arlo White wrote: > Garbage probably wasn't the best word because of the negative connotation. > What I mean is a lot of threads on the mailing list rapidly lose value. A > thread about a bug that is later fixed is no longer interesting to most > people. This thread will have little value once a decision is made. I > didn't mean that these discussions have no value, just that they aren't > useful as a history of major events. It's too much work for someone > interested in enlightenment to dig through the mailing list archives in > order to learn what's currently going on. This is a task the wiki or a > blog should solve. > > -Arlo > > On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 3:47 PM, Toma wrote: > > 2009/5/14 Graham Gower : > > > 2009/5/14 Arlo White : > > >> Yes there are > > >> mailing lists, but the lists have a lot of garbage you need to dig > > > > through > > > > >> to get at the interesting bits. > > > > > > Garbage like this entire thread? Isn't this a development mailing list? > > > > > > -Graham > > > > Promotion is part of development. > > -Toma. > > > > > > - > >- The NEW KODAK i700 Series Scanners deliver under ANY circumstances! > > Your production scanning environment may not be a perfect world - but > > thanks to Kodak, there's a perfect scanner to get the job done! With the > > NEW KODAK i700 > > Series Scanner you'll get full speed at 300 dpi even with all image > > processing features enabled. http://p.sf.net/sfu/kodak-com > > ___ > > enlightenment-devel mailing list > > enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel > > --- >--- The NEW KODAK i700 Series Scanners deliver under ANY circumstances! Your > production scanning environment may not be a perfect world - but thanks to > Kodak, there's a perfect scanner to get the job done! With the NEW KODAK > i700 Series Scanner you'll get full speed at 300 dpi even with all image > processing features enabled. http://p.sf.net/sfu/kodak-com > ___ > enlightenment-devel mailing list > enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel -- The NEW KODAK i700 Series Scanners deliver under ANY circumstances! Your production scanning environment may not be a perfect world - but thanks to Kodak, there's a perfect scanner to get the job done! With the NEW KODAK i700 Series Scanner you'll get full speed at 300 dpi even with all image processing features enabled. http://p.sf.net/sfu/kodak-com ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] E17 in Twitter...
2009/5/13 Arlo White : > Regardless of the method, I think there should be two enlightenment ...snip... > obsolete. A blog system really makes the most sense to me. I agree with you, but I know that most of potentially authors don't have free time for writing articles > Once you have a blog application, I don't see the need for Twitter. > Essentially, each tweet is like the RSS summary to an article that you're > going to link to in the tweet. Just following the RSS feed of the blog has > the same effect. The only benefit I see to twitter is in knowing how many > followers you have. But you could just use web analytics software on your > blog application if you're really interested in this. Disagree. Tweets can't be assumed as RSS feeds, imho. Looks similar, but they are not the same thing; the flow of information is bidirectional for Twitter, and mono for a RSS feed. Both can coexist. And I not started this account to see how many people is following me: i'm doing that because i think it is a useful tool. It is clear that I see the number of follower increasing time by time i'm very happy, because it means that i'm doing something of interesting. > in the article. Looking at edevel on Twitter, there is a lack of > professionalism. There are too many tweets that I'm not interested in and > many tweets seem more conversational than informative. Although greater This is important for me. Can you show me an example of a Twitter account that looks professional for you. Reading the stream, it is clear that i'm posting SVN commits, sometimes not just a simple cut&paste, and, if i find something of interesting, a thread in mailing lists. > Last I want to compare some information feeds. Here's the current edevel ...snip... > something like twitter with 10 tweets a day. I don't think there's anything > wrong with using Twitter as an additional communication tool. I just think > that what you really want is a better blog with more authors. > If no one has the energy/time to compare blog application tools and install > one on the website I would be interested in doing so. Just tell me if you > want me to look into it. Agree, again. And imho the real problem is not the leak of blog tool, but the leak of blog author(s). Massimiliano -- The NEW KODAK i700 Series Scanners deliver under ANY circumstances! Your production scanning environment may not be a perfect world - but thanks to Kodak, there's a perfect scanner to get the job done! With the NEW KODAK i700 Series Scanner you'll get full speed at 300 dpi even with all image processing features enabled. http://p.sf.net/sfu/kodak-com ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] E17 in Twitter...
Garbage probably wasn't the best word because of the negative connotation. What I mean is a lot of threads on the mailing list rapidly lose value. A thread about a bug that is later fixed is no longer interesting to most people. This thread will have little value once a decision is made. I didn't mean that these discussions have no value, just that they aren't useful as a history of major events. It's too much work for someone interested in enlightenment to dig through the mailing list archives in order to learn what's currently going on. This is a task the wiki or a blog should solve. -Arlo On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 3:47 PM, Toma wrote: > 2009/5/14 Graham Gower : > > 2009/5/14 Arlo White : > >> Yes there are > >> mailing lists, but the lists have a lot of garbage you need to dig > through > >> to get at the interesting bits. > > > > Garbage like this entire thread? Isn't this a development mailing list? > > > > -Graham > > Promotion is part of development. > -Toma. > > > -- > The NEW KODAK i700 Series Scanners deliver under ANY circumstances! Your > production scanning environment may not be a perfect world - but thanks to > Kodak, there's a perfect scanner to get the job done! With the NEW KODAK > i700 > Series Scanner you'll get full speed at 300 dpi even with all image > processing features enabled. http://p.sf.net/sfu/kodak-com > ___ > enlightenment-devel mailing list > enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel > -- The NEW KODAK i700 Series Scanners deliver under ANY circumstances! Your production scanning environment may not be a perfect world - but thanks to Kodak, there's a perfect scanner to get the job done! With the NEW KODAK i700 Series Scanner you'll get full speed at 300 dpi even with all image processing features enabled. http://p.sf.net/sfu/kodak-com ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] E17 in Twitter...
2009/5/14 Graham Gower : > 2009/5/14 Arlo White : >> Yes there are >> mailing lists, but the lists have a lot of garbage you need to dig through >> to get at the interesting bits. > > Garbage like this entire thread? Isn't this a development mailing list? > > -Graham Promotion is part of development. -Toma. -- The NEW KODAK i700 Series Scanners deliver under ANY circumstances! Your production scanning environment may not be a perfect world - but thanks to Kodak, there's a perfect scanner to get the job done! With the NEW KODAK i700 Series Scanner you'll get full speed at 300 dpi even with all image processing features enabled. http://p.sf.net/sfu/kodak-com ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] E17 in Twitter...
2009/5/14 Arlo White : > Yes there are > mailing lists, but the lists have a lot of garbage you need to dig through > to get at the interesting bits. Garbage like this entire thread? Isn't this a development mailing list? -Graham -- The NEW KODAK i700 Series Scanners deliver under ANY circumstances! Your production scanning environment may not be a perfect world - but thanks to Kodak, there's a perfect scanner to get the job done! With the NEW KODAK i700 Series Scanner you'll get full speed at 300 dpi even with all image processing features enabled. http://p.sf.net/sfu/kodak-com ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] E17 in Twitter...
Regardless of the method, I think there should be two enlightenment information streams: one for users and one for developers. Yes there are mailing lists, but the lists have a lot of garbage you need to dig through to get at the interesting bits. The value of a blog or twitter is that it's a distilled information form that keeps you up-to-date with the major trends. For example: Users would be interested in: Significant application & theme updates, new *useable* applications & themes, major news from the developers Developers are interested in: Development shifts, Programming articles, Experimental projects, Research articles, etc. Most developers will be following the user stream, so there's no reason to duplicate the information in their stream. Each item is essentially going to be an article. These articles need to reside somewhere, either a blog, the wiki, or a custom news app. The enlightenment site has a news feed, but it's fairly simplistic. It would be nice to have something that can separate the streams (announcements, users, developers) and tag articles. The wiki could potentially be used, but wiki's are not particularly good at storing transient articles nor tagging them. These articles are useful for a year maybe, but in time they become obsolete. A blog system really makes the most sense to me. Once you have a blog application, I don't see the need for Twitter. Essentially, each tweet is like the RSS summary to an article that you're going to link to in the tweet. Just following the RSS feed of the blog has the same effect. The only benefit I see to twitter is in knowing how many followers you have. But you could just use web analytics software on your blog application if you're really interested in this. As far as the Twitter "pros". Articles will always need a short effective summary, this is usually less than 140 characters anyway, not because the author was limited to some arbitrary number of characters, but because the purpose of the summary is to be a short sentence that tells readers what is in the article. Looking at edevel on Twitter, there is a lack of professionalism. There are too many tweets that I'm not interested in and many tweets seem more conversational than informative. Although greater accessibility is generally a good thing, being able to update the articles from a mobile phone will probably lead to lower quality journalism than you would otherwise have. Last I want to compare some information feeds. Here's the current edevel twitter feed and a few other project feeds I follow: http://twitter.com/edevel http://blog.songbirdnest.com/ http://blogs.atlassian.com/news/ http://dojotoolkit.org/taxonomy/term/29/0 Notice that the twitter feed more resembles mailing lists than a good source of news and articles. You'll notice that the songbird site has a twitter feed on the right side, which also seems more like a conversation between people than a source of news articles. Maybe the difference is just in the granularity of detail. At the most verbose level you have IRC and the mailing lists. Some people follow these sources and highlight things on twitter. Other people will follow any of the three sources and then write higher quality articles on the blog or create wiki pages summarizing changes. Other articles will come from developers who want to summarize and publish their work. So I'll just conclude by saying that for me and other users/developers who want to follow the big events in the enlightenment world Twitter doesn't seem to be the right tool. It shares the problems IRC and the mailing lists have of having too much information flyby. I would prefer to follow a source that has a few high quality articles and news updates a week. Not something like twitter with 10 tweets a day. I don't think there's anything wrong with using Twitter as an additional communication tool. I just think that what you really want is a better blog with more authors. If no one has the energy/time to compare blog application tools and install one on the website I would be interested in doing so. Just tell me if you want me to look into it. -Arlo Michael Jennings wrote: On Wednesday, 13 May 2009, at 13:38:30 (+0200), Thomas Gst?dtner wrote: Why waste time and ressources for such a useless service that doesn't have any advantage over anything else, instead of maintaining a official information source on e.org with 1) no 140 char limit 2) more professionalism 3) a more official character 4) a proper standard to get the news (RSS) 5) far better usability. I really can't understand why every new hype has to be adopted while the official sources are hardly maintained at all. 1. The 140-character limit is fairly soft, and it keeps things to digestible chunks with links to the details. 2. If you think there is a lack of professionals on Twitter, you clearly haven't used it. 3. I
Re: [E-devel] E17 in Twitter...
On Wednesday, 13 May 2009, at 13:38:30 (+0200), Thomas Gst?dtner wrote: > Why waste time and ressources for such a useless service that > doesn't have any advantage over anything else, instead of > maintaining a official information source on e.org with 1) no 140 > char limit 2) more professionalism 3) a more official character 4) a > proper standard to get the news (RSS) 5) far better usability. I > really can't understand why every new hype has to be adopted while > the official sources are hardly maintained at all. 1. The 140-character limit is fairly soft, and it keeps things to digestible chunks with links to the details. 2. If you think there is a lack of professionals on Twitter, you clearly haven't used it. 3. It would be as official as we made it. 4. Twitter also has an RSS feed. Your point? 5. Twitter can be updated via SMS, countless phone-based applications, the web, and (IIRC) e-mail. How, exactly, is that less "usable" than the E web site? Michael -- Michael Jennings (a.k.a. KainX) http://www.kainx.org/ Linux Server/Cluster Admin, LBL.gov Author, Eterm (www.eterm.org) --- "It doesn't take a lot of strength to hang on. It takes a lot of strength to let go." -- Rep. JC Watts, Jr. -- The NEW KODAK i700 Series Scanners deliver under ANY circumstances! Your production scanning environment may not be a perfect world - but thanks to Kodak, there's a perfect scanner to get the job done! With the NEW KODAK i700 Series Scanner you'll get full speed at 300 dpi even with all image processing features enabled. http://p.sf.net/sfu/kodak-com ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] E17 in Twitter...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, 13 May 2009 21:04:15 +0800 Toma wrote: > 1. A 140 character news feed hardly takes any management. > 2. Most professionals and popular people have a twitter. (I dont though.) > 3. Would you rather us (dev community) take control of it or some random > person? > 4. Indeed. RSS is great. Twitter is a much more social way or sharing > news though. No need to put all our eggs in 1 basket. > > Its hard to call though, I dont know anyone with twitter in Perth AU. > We're all a little slow on the tech fads. But I know its really > popular elsewhere. As such, I think its a great way for people to get > updates on E and to show their support. > > -Toma. Thumbs up :) Thanks for your reply Massimiliano - -- Massimiliano Calamelli http://www.mcalamelli.net mcalame...@gmail.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) iD8DBQFKCs5KleGEL56NNP4RAnO8AKCpz9PI04cRiMgLhGtm1VQhji7KcwCgpgmp HfwLkcZ3Rrbhd7nMNCzyIok= =e8PQ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- The NEW KODAK i700 Series Scanners deliver under ANY circumstances! Your production scanning environment may not be a perfect world - but thanks to Kodak, there's a perfect scanner to get the job done! With the NEW KODAK i700 Series Scanner you'll get full speed at 300 dpi even with all image processing features enabled. http://p.sf.net/sfu/kodak-com ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] E17 in Twitter...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, 13 May 2009 13:38:30 +0200 Thomas Gstädtner wrote: > Why waste time and ressources for such a useless service that doesn't > have any advantage over anything else, instead of maintaining a > official information source on e.org with 1) no 140 char limit 2) more > professionalism 3) a more official character 4) a proper standard to > get the news (RSS) 5) far better usability. > I really can't understand why every new hype has to be adopted while > the official sources are hardly maintained at all. > > If you think the news section on e.org should only contain big and > important news there would also be the possibility to have a source > for minor informations (e.g. blog style on blog.enlightenment.org or > whatever). Or maybe better: have 2 sections on the e.org overview > site, let's say "news" for everything new (even minor things) and > "announcements" for all the big stuff (e.g. "e17 release!!11 :). First, thank you for comment. I disagree with you about "useless" and "less professionalism": it is a very fast and easy way to communicate, and fits good for all, professional or not; it is a tool, is what you put in that makes it personal or professional. I know that 140 characters is really a little space, this requires to you to change your way to communicate something, but this is not a limit, this improve yourself. About, a blog for E, i'm a little tired about this topic: too many times heard about, but none for now. To be clear, I'm not agry about this, i know that maintains a blog requires a lot of time, and most people works for E in our spare time; just a little sad. E on Twitter is not here to replace our ways to communicate (IRC, ml's), it is just another way to communicate and expand the community, like our fan page in Facebook. Anyway, this is a test, although seems interesting for ten people that started following this account. I'm very happy to waste my time in this way :) Thanks Massimiliano - -- Massimiliano Calamelli http://www.mcalamelli.net mcalame...@gmail.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) iD8DBQFKCs2KleGEL56NNP4RAlJdAKCXq1Wd1/nSeW79X9yvDR7cAqKXzgCgj84y wkamZ7stX0A2OqnWVQSWXXk= =o7q3 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- The NEW KODAK i700 Series Scanners deliver under ANY circumstances! Your production scanning environment may not be a perfect world - but thanks to Kodak, there's a perfect scanner to get the job done! With the NEW KODAK i700 Series Scanner you'll get full speed at 300 dpi even with all image processing features enabled. http://p.sf.net/sfu/kodak-com ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] E17 in Twitter...
2009/5/13 Thomas Gstädtner : > On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 5:30 PM, Massimiliano Calamelli > wrote: >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> Hello, I'm doing a little test to see how a Twitter account could >> be integrated into our community. >> >> The account is here: >> http://www.twitter.com/edevel >> >> For it now contains tweets about significative changelogs or mails, but >> obviously can contains all of interesting things about E. >> >> Being a test, it isn't not ufficially publicized (just an entry in the >> Facebook's fan page), but imho looks good. >> The email registered for this account is mine, but this can be changed >> easily; same thing for password. >> >> What do you think about? > > Why waste time and ressources for such a useless service that doesn't > have any advantage over anything else, instead of maintaining a > official information source on e.org with 1) no 140 char limit 2) more > professionalism 3) a more official character 4) a proper standard to > get the news (RSS) 5) far better usability. > I really can't understand why every new hype has to be adopted while > the official sources are hardly maintained at all. > 1. A 140 character news feed hardly takes any management. 2. Most professionals and popular people have a twitter. (I dont though.) 3. Would you rather us (dev community) take control of it or some random person? 4. Indeed. RSS is great. Twitter is a much more social way or sharing news though. No need to put all our eggs in 1 basket. Its hard to call though, I dont know anyone with twitter in Perth AU. We're all a little slow on the tech fads. But I know its really popular elsewhere. As such, I think its a great way for people to get updates on E and to show their support. -Toma. -- The NEW KODAK i700 Series Scanners deliver under ANY circumstances! Your production scanning environment may not be a perfect world - but thanks to Kodak, there's a perfect scanner to get the job done! With the NEW KODAK i700 Series Scanner you'll get full speed at 300 dpi even with all image processing features enabled. http://p.sf.net/sfu/kodak-com ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] E17 in Twitter...
On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 5:30 PM, Massimiliano Calamelli wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hello, I'm doing a little test to see how a Twitter account could > be integrated into our community. > > The account is here: > http://www.twitter.com/edevel > > For it now contains tweets about significative changelogs or mails, but > obviously can contains all of interesting things about E. > > Being a test, it isn't not ufficially publicized (just an entry in the > Facebook's fan page), but imho looks good. > The email registered for this account is mine, but this can be changed > easily; same thing for password. > > What do you think about? Why waste time and ressources for such a useless service that doesn't have any advantage over anything else, instead of maintaining a official information source on e.org with 1) no 140 char limit 2) more professionalism 3) a more official character 4) a proper standard to get the news (RSS) 5) far better usability. I really can't understand why every new hype has to be adopted while the official sources are hardly maintained at all. If you think the news section on e.org should only contain big and important news there would also be the possibility to have a source for minor informations (e.g. blog style on blog.enlightenment.org or whatever). Or maybe better: have 2 sections on the e.org overview site, let's say "news" for everything new (even minor things) and "announcements" for all the big stuff (e.g. "e17 release!!11 :). -- The NEW KODAK i700 Series Scanners deliver under ANY circumstances! Your production scanning environment may not be a perfect world - but thanks to Kodak, there's a perfect scanner to get the job done! With the NEW KODAK i700 Series Scanner you'll get full speed at 300 dpi even with all image processing features enabled. http://p.sf.net/sfu/kodak-com ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
