Re: [e-users] $PATH issue and some questions

2005-09-23 Thread The Rasterman
On Fri, 23 Sep 2005 00:24:31 -0400 (EDT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:

 
  On Thu, 22 Sep 2005 22:32:11 -0400 (EDT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
  btw, also curious, why do terminals in e17 always startup with SHLVL=3?
  All the other desktops I have start up terminals in SHLVL=2.
 
  mine start with SHLVL=2
 
  do you exec enlightenment in your .xsession script?
 
  ie:
 
  #!/bin/sh
  exec enlightenment
 
  OR is it:
 
  #!/bin/sh
  enlightenment
 
  the EXEc line REPLACES the login shell process WITH whatever it execs (in
  this
  case enlightenment) meaning you save having a usless unused shell process
  around. this is probably why its level 3 for you as you have an extra
  shell
  still hanging in above execution of E itself. :)
 
 Must be coming from somewhere else, I'm running them from Session scripts
 in the /etc/X11 directory, on fedora and gentoo, both using exec
 /usr/local/bin/enlightenment.
 
 Thought it might have been an entrance login configuration thing also, but
 am getting the same result whether its entrance or gdm. Not a big issue
 though, am sure I'll eventually find I've done something odd to my system
 without realising the consequences ;)

look at pstree and see whats sitting between your processes and init :)

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[e-users] xscreensaver pops out messages

2005-09-23 Thread Alan Trick
It's not a serious problem, but while the screensaver is running it
keeps on popping out warnings about unrecognised message from root
window WM_PROTOCOLS or something.


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Re: [e-users] xscreensaver pops out messages

2005-09-23 Thread Christoph Gysin

Alan Trick wrote:

It's not a serious problem, but while the screensaver is running it
keeps on popping out warnings about unrecognised message from root
window WM_PROTOCOLS or something.


Search the archives:

http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.window-managers.enlightenment.user/4133

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[e-users] openSUSE 10 RC1 and e17

2005-09-23 Thread Chema Ollés
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Hi all:
I have been able to download e17 from packman server to install it in my
openSUSE 10 RC1.
But I have not been able to execute enlightenment due to an error in the
lib edje.so.0:
**
/usr/lib/libedje.so.0: undefined symbol: evas_smart_above_get_set
**
It's better to install it from the sources or is a bug that will solved
waiting for the news rpms version.
Thanks
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Re: [e-users] openSUSE 10 RC1 and e17

2005-09-23 Thread Thomas Kuther
On Fri, 23 Sep 2005 11:21:03 +0200
Chema Ollés [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

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 Hi all:
 I have been able to download e17 from packman server to install it in
 my openSUSE 10 RC1.
 But I have not been able to execute enlightenment due to an error in
 the lib edje.so.0:
 **
 /usr/lib/libedje.so.0: undefined symbol: evas_smart_above_get_set
 **
 It's better to install it from the sources or is a bug that will
 solved waiting for the news rpms version.
 Thanks
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Please contact the packager directly. [EMAIL PROTECTED] is his mail. Or,
as he's now a member of the packman team, contact packman ;)

current CVS is working OK. so there must be some inconsistency in the
packages. so maybe compile it yourself. there are mayn useful scripts
out there.

regards!
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Re: [e-users] $PATH issue and some questions

2005-09-23 Thread David Seikel
On Thu, 22 Sep 2005 22:32:11 -0400 (EDT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Actually I had this problem with a gentoo install a little while ago,
 the login process for some reason wasn't triggering the usual scripts
 for a login shell, so e17 was starting without any of the profile
 scripts triggering (/etc/profile, ~/.bash_profile). Consequently all
 of gentoo's environment configurations in /etc/env.d weren't loading
 up, the path being just one of the problems.
 
 Unfortunately I can't remember for the life of me how I fixed it
 without resorting to hacks in the bashrc or session files. If I
 remember I'll let you know.

Hacks to session and startup scripts is exactly how I fixed entranced,
just sprinkled calls to /etc/profile librally.  Entranced seems a little
brittle and fussy.

My symptoms are that the keyboard gets mostly locked out.  I am unable
to type user name and password which makes entranced exceedingly
useless.  If I use Ctrl-Alt-F1 to switch to a text virtual terminal, so
that I can log in as root and kill entranced, the screen goes black for
a few seconds and then I am returned to the entranced screen, so no
access to VT's (my monitor blacks out for a few seconds when changing
resolution, this may or may not be the same blackout).  Ctrl-Alt-Del
won't reboot, so my only option is to kill the power.

This usually doesn't happen when I run entranced manually, or invoke
it's startup script manually.  When the startup script is started as
part of the boot sequence, it almost always happens.  Sometimes it won't
happen straight away, but will fail later.

Running /etc/profile as part of the startup script, and also calling
enlightenment through a wrapper script that first calls /etc/profile
seems to fix it, mostly.  I still get keyboard killed once in a
while (happened once yesterday after a fresh boot).

A related symptom (which is what prompted me to sprinkle /etc/profile)
is that xawtv4 won't start up properly, it has trouble talking to the
TV card, but other TV software (kdetv for instance) had no problem. 
Obviously this happens when I can login.  Using xdm, kdm, gdm, and wdm
doesn't display any of these problems.

Wrapper scripts, and entranced writing to /var/run/entranced.pid itself
caused other problems when I try to do the LSB standard startup script
thing, which is the best way to integrate e17 into SuSE (9.3
Professional).  Each of these problems will invoke the locked out
keyboard problem if I try to work around them.  The current working
version has enlightenment spew debugging info all over my boot console
(redirecting it to /dev/null invokes keyboard lockout), and needs an
explicit 'killall -TERM entranced' and removal of the pid file in the
startup script for the stop action.  I also pass -nodeamon to entranced,
call it via a wrapper, and call enlightenment via a wrapper.  All the
wrappers do is call /etc/profile first.

I really want to use entranced and enlightenment, which is why I went to
all the trouble of trying to get it to work.  It is a lot of trouble,
because it often works fine when run manually, but fails when boot
starts it (booting SuSE takes a few minutes).  Having the keyboard
locked out makes debugging very tricky, as all I can do is power down
the box, reboot into single user mode, swap to gdm, and reboot again. 
This is also why I haven't looked at the code yet. Yes, I could probably
ssh into the box from a spare computer, but that's not possible at the
moment.

So, it's mostly working now, with only the odd time when I need to just
power cycle my computer.  But I would rather not have enlightenment spew
info all over my boot console, and I would rather not have to explicitly
kill entranced and remove it's pid file.  For obvious reasons, I can't
provide any gdb output, and any attempt to work around the various
remaining problems invokes the keyboard lockout bug.  Entranced is
brittle and fussy, it's probably some sort of uninitialized memory or
environment problem.

Hope something in here gives some sort of clue.

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Re: [e-users] xscreensaver pops out messages

2005-09-23 Thread Massimo Maiurana
Alan Trick, il 23/09/2005 09:00, scrisse:
 It's not a serious problem, but while the screensaver is running it
 keeps on popping out warnings about unrecognised message from root
 window WM_PROTOCOLS or something.
 

xscreensaver's problem.

to get rid of those messages redirect its stderr to /dev/null (i.e.
run it with xscreensaver 2 /dev/null).

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[e-users] switching between different keyboard layouts

2005-09-23 Thread v3jas
Hi all,

is there any graphic interface (i.e. an epplet or smth) in E17 for switching 
between different keyboard layouts (except of basic means privided by X, like 
setxkbmap)? 
Did anybody tried out E-Keyboard-2.0 epplet on E17?

Darius

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re: [e-users] switching between different keyboard layouts

2005-09-23 Thread Thomas Kuther


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Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 15:55:16 +0400
From: Dmitry Antipov [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: [E-devel] E17 keyboard indicator module


Hello all,

I've developed an E17 keyboard indicator module. If you are English
(and only English) speaking user, you probably don't need this module
at all. Any other user which may wants to switch from his or her native
language to English and back may use this module to get simple but (I
hope !) nice indicator - his or her country's flag.

If you are interesting with this stuff, see http://e17.siteburg.com.

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Re: [e-users] xscreensaver pops out messages

2005-09-23 Thread The Rasterman
On Fri, 23 Sep 2005 15:00:15 +0800 Alan Trick [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:

 It's not a serious problem, but while the screensaver is running it
 keeps on popping out warnings about unrecognised message from root
 window WM_PROTOCOLS or something.

this is an xscreensaver issue as such and will be fixed in the next release.

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Re: [e-users] $PATH issue and some questions

2005-09-23 Thread The Rasterman
On Fri, 23 Sep 2005 20:48:41 +1000 David Seikel [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:

 On Thu, 22 Sep 2005 22:32:11 -0400 (EDT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Actually I had this problem with a gentoo install a little while ago,
  the login process for some reason wasn't triggering the usual scripts
  for a login shell, so e17 was starting without any of the profile
  scripts triggering (/etc/profile, ~/.bash_profile). Consequently all
  of gentoo's environment configurations in /etc/env.d weren't loading
  up, the path being just one of the problems.
  
  Unfortunately I can't remember for the life of me how I fixed it
  without resorting to hacks in the bashrc or session files. If I
  remember I'll let you know.
 
 Hacks to session and startup scripts is exactly how I fixed entranced,
 just sprinkled calls to /etc/profile librally.  Entranced seems a little
 brittle and fussy.
 
 My symptoms are that the keyboard gets mostly locked out.  I am unable
 to type user name and password which makes entranced exceedingly
 useless.  If I use Ctrl-Alt-F1 to switch to a text virtual terminal, so
 that I can log in as root and kill entranced, the screen goes black for
 a few seconds and then I am returned to the entranced screen, so no
 access to VT's (my monitor blacks out for a few seconds when changing
 resolution, this may or may not be the same blackout).  Ctrl-Alt-Del
 won't reboot, so my only option is to kill the power.

ctrl+alt+f1 problems are likely x problems, not entrace. there is a power off
button too :) but well entrance is not production ready and likely will not be
for a long long time. use at your own risk.

 
 This usually doesn't happen when I run entranced manually, or invoke
 it's startup script manually.  When the startup script is started as
 part of the boot sequence, it almost always happens.  Sometimes it won't
 happen straight away, but will fail later.
 
 Running /etc/profile as part of the startup script, and also calling
 enlightenment through a wrapper script that first calls /etc/profile
 seems to fix it, mostly.  I still get keyboard killed once in a
 while (happened once yesterday after a fresh boot).
 
 A related symptom (which is what prompted me to sprinkle /etc/profile)
 is that xawtv4 won't start up properly, it has trouble talking to the
 TV card, but other TV software (kdetv for instance) had no problem. 
 Obviously this happens when I can login.  Using xdm, kdm, gdm, and wdm
 doesn't display any of these problems.
 
 Wrapper scripts, and entranced writing to /var/run/entranced.pid itself
 caused other problems when I try to do the LSB standard startup script
 thing, which is the best way to integrate e17 into SuSE (9.3
 Professional).  Each of these problems will invoke the locked out
 keyboard problem if I try to work around them.  The current working
 version has enlightenment spew debugging info all over my boot console
 (redirecting it to /dev/null invokes keyboard lockout), and needs an
 explicit 'killall -TERM entranced' and removal of the pid file in the
 startup script for the stop action.  I also pass -nodeamon to entranced,
 call it via a wrapper, and call enlightenment via a wrapper.  All the
 wrappers do is call /etc/profile first.
 
 I really want to use entranced and enlightenment, which is why I went to
 all the trouble of trying to get it to work.  It is a lot of trouble,
 because it often works fine when run manually, but fails when boot
 starts it (booting SuSE takes a few minutes).  Having the keyboard
 locked out makes debugging very tricky, as all I can do is power down
 the box, reboot into single user mode, swap to gdm, and reboot again. 
 This is also why I haven't looked at the code yet. Yes, I could probably
 ssh into the box from a spare computer, but that's not possible at the
 moment.
 
 So, it's mostly working now, with only the odd time when I need to just
 power cycle my computer.  But I would rather not have enlightenment spew
 info all over my boot console, and I would rather not have to explicitly
 kill entranced and remove it's pid file.  For obvious reasons, I can't
 provide any gdb output, and any attempt to work around the various
 remaining problems invokes the keyboard lockout bug.  Entranced is
 brittle and fussy, it's probably some sort of uninitialized memory or
 environment problem.
 
 Hope something in here gives some sort of clue.
 
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Re: [e-users] switching between different keyboard layouts

2005-09-23 Thread The Rasterman
On Fri, 23 Sep 2005 09:07:47 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:

 Hi all,
 
 is there any graphic interface (i.e. an epplet or smth) in E17 for switching
 between different keyboard layouts (except of basic means privided by X, like
 setxkbmap)? Did anybody tried out E-Keyboard-2.0 epplet on E17?

i have an xkb patch to ecore waiting fo rme to go over and theres a keymap
switcher module avaibale that uses it... give me some time. i have a lot to
do! :) module is here:

http://e17.siteburg.com.
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[e-users] e17 stable now!

2005-09-23 Thread Matias Grana
On Wed, Sep 21, 2005 at 12:21:35PM +0900, Carsten Haitzler wrote:
 On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 11:00:14 -0300 Matias Grana [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
 
  hi;
  I've been using e17 for a month or so. It worked pretty stably. I used
  to update weekly from cvs, and everything used to work fine.
  But yesterday things went wrong: enlightenment crashes whenever I want
  to open a program like firefox, akregator, korganizer...
  If this is new news, I can try to reproduce and explain further how it
  crashes. I'm using gentoo, 2.6.11, AMD Sempron.
 
 try updating everythng - edje, evas, ecore etc. i have been making changes in
 all levels of libs, tools etc. not just e17.
 

I had updated everything, but it seems I did it in the middle of some
changes. I updated everything now and it works fine again. And rocks!


  Now that I write, let me point out another thing: I could see that to
  exit e there's a menu now. One can't (or at least, I couldn't) answer
  this are you sure? question with the keyboard. If I didn't miss
  something, let me ask for this wish: ability to keyboard-control this
  window (as there currently is for other menus).
 
 aah. very good point. no - there is no keyboard control as yet of dialogs.
 

OK, so this is my whishlist: keyboard control for all dialogs!
And, if I may still have more whishes, keyboard control for windows
(mainly, being able to move and resize windows w/ keyboard would
suffice). I know, this is something for the far away future, but if you
eventually have time and will to do it, it'll be a strong point for e17.

Thanks for e. Again, it rocks!
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Re: [e-users] switching between different keyboard layouts

2005-09-23 Thread David Seikel
On Sat, 24 Sep 2005 00:10:16 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 i have an xkb patch to ecore waiting fo rme to go over and theres a
 keymap switcher module avaibale that uses it... give me some time. i
 have a lot to do! :) module is here:

So stop answering email and get back to coding, dammit!

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[e-users] Re: e17 stable now!

2005-09-23 Thread Martin Geisler
Matias Grana [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 OK, so this is my whishlist: keyboard control for all dialogs!  And,
 if I may still have more whishes, keyboard control for windows
 (mainly, being able to move and resize windows w/ keyboard would
 suffice). I know, this is something for the far away future, but if
 you eventually have time and will to do it, it'll be a strong point
 for e17.

Well, your far away future is already here! :-)

Try the following for resizing and moving windows with the keyboard
(this is a shell script, type it in a file or line by line in a
terminal):

er=enlightenment_remote

$er -binding-key-add ANY Left  'SHIFT|CTRL|ALT' 0 'move_absolute' '+0 *'
$er -binding-key-add ANY Right 'SHIFT|CTRL|ALT' 0 'move_absolute' '-0 *'
$er -binding-key-add ANY Up'SHIFT|CTRL|ALT' 0 'move_absolute' '* +0'
$er -binding-key-add ANY Down  'SHIFT|CTRL|ALT' 0 'move_absolute' '* -0'

$er -binding-key-add ANY Left  'CTRL|ALT' 0 'move_relative' '-20 0'
$er -binding-key-add ANY Right 'CTRL|ALT' 0 'move_relative' '+20 0'
$er -binding-key-add ANY Up'CTRL|ALT' 0 'move_relative' '0 -20'
$er -binding-key-add ANY Down  'CTRL|ALT' 0 'move_relative' '0 +20'

$er -binding-key-add ANY Left  'SHIFT|ALT' 0 'resize' '-20 0'
$er -binding-key-add ANY Right 'SHIFT|ALT' 0 'resize' '+20 0'
$er -binding-key-add ANY Up'SHIFT|ALT' 0 'resize' '0 -20'
$er -binding-key-add ANY Down  'SHIFT|ALT' 0 'resize' '0 +20'

See this post for more explaination about the parameters for the
actions:

  http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=12262155

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Re: [e-users] switching between different keyboard layouts

2005-09-23 Thread Paul S.
/me hurts David.
Paul
On Sat, 2005-09-24 at 03:23 +1000, David Seikel wrote:
 On Sat, 24 Sep 2005 03:17:45 +1000 David Seikel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 
  On Sat, 24 Sep 2005 00:10:16 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   i have an xkb patch to ecore waiting fo rme to go over and theres a
   keymap switcher module avaibale that uses it... give me some time. i
   have a lot to do! :) module is here:
  
  So stop answering email and get back to coding, dammit!
  
  Oops, should take my own advice.
 
 And should have inserted a smily, here's two to make up for it.
 
 B-)
 
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Re: [e-users] switching between different keyboard layouts

2005-09-23 Thread David Seikel
On Fri, 23 Sep 2005 15:01:21 -0400 Paul S.
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 /me hurts David.

Sending me email AND CC'ing it to the list, that's what hurts.  I get
both, and I have limited bandwidth.  Please, if I post to the list, just
reply to the list, don't send to both the list and me.  I'm posting this
to the list because you are not the only one.

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Re: [e-users] switching between different keyboard layouts

2005-09-23 Thread Paul S.
My apologies.
Paul
On Sat, 2005-09-24 at 06:10 +1000, David Seikel wrote:
 On Fri, 23 Sep 2005 15:01:21 -0400 Paul S.
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  /me hurts David.
 
 Sending me email AND CC'ing it to the list, that's what hurts.  I get
 both, and I have limited bandwidth.  Please, if I post to the list, just
 reply to the list, don't send to both the list and me.  I'm posting this
 to the list because you are not the only one.
 
 /me sulks in corner.
 



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Re: [e-users] Re: e17 stable now!

2005-09-23 Thread The Rasterman
On Fri, 23 Sep 2005 19:11:44 +0200 Martin Geisler [EMAIL PROTECTED]
babbled:

 Matias Grana [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
  OK, so this is my whishlist: keyboard control for all dialogs!  And,
  if I may still have more whishes, keyboard control for windows
  (mainly, being able to move and resize windows w/ keyboard would
  suffice). I know, this is something for the far away future, but if
  you eventually have time and will to do it, it'll be a strong point
  for e17.
 
 Well, your far away future is already here! :-)
 
 Try the following for resizing and moving windows with the keyboard
 (this is a shell script, type it in a file or line by line in a
 terminal):
 
 er=enlightenment_remote
 
 $er -binding-key-add ANY Left  'SHIFT|CTRL|ALT' 0 'move_absolute' '+0 *'
 $er -binding-key-add ANY Right 'SHIFT|CTRL|ALT' 0 'move_absolute' '-0 *'
 $er -binding-key-add ANY Up'SHIFT|CTRL|ALT' 0 'move_absolute' '* +0'
 $er -binding-key-add ANY Down  'SHIFT|CTRL|ALT' 0 'move_absolute' '* -0'
 
 $er -binding-key-add ANY Left  'CTRL|ALT' 0 'move_relative' '-20 0'
 $er -binding-key-add ANY Right 'CTRL|ALT' 0 'move_relative' '+20 0'
 $er -binding-key-add ANY Up'CTRL|ALT' 0 'move_relative' '0 -20'
 $er -binding-key-add ANY Down  'CTRL|ALT' 0 'move_relative' '0 +20'
 
 $er -binding-key-add ANY Left  'SHIFT|ALT' 0 'resize' '-20 0'
 $er -binding-key-add ANY Right 'SHIFT|ALT' 0 'resize' '+20 0'
 $er -binding-key-add ANY Up'SHIFT|ALT' 0 'resize' '0 -20'
 $er -binding-key-add ANY Down  'SHIFT|ALT' 0 'resize' '0 +20'
 
 See this post for more explaination about the parameters for the
 actions:
 
   http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=12262155

actually i renamed those actions as they didn't describe very well what they
did. :)

window_move_to
window_move_by
window_resize_by

is what they are called now (as other actions affecting windows are all called
window_SOMETHING) :) but otherwise they work the same :)

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