Re: [e-users] E16: run script on startup?
On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 18:42:04 -0500 Michael Hughes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Evan et al $HOME/.e16/Init $HOME/.e16/Start $HOME/.e16/Stop Note that this is new for 0.16.8. It does not work with 0.16.7 (which I am using). It looks like getting my personal theme moved over to 0.16.8 may be a major headache. If so, I may just go to E17. What makes your theme so hard to move? Can't you just: cp -R $HOME/.enlightenment/themes/your_theme $HOME/.e16/themes/ maybe a few tweaks are needed too, but nothing that complicated, menus from .enlightenment/ to .e16/menus/ etc. Brad --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=103432bid=230486dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] E16: run script on startup?
Brad What makes your theme so hard to move? I have never formalized it as a theme; it is just a lot of new and modified files in both /usr/share/enlightenment and ~/.enlightenment. The docs for 0.16.8 indicate that there are changes to the configuration file formats and warn against renaming your existing ~/.enlightenment to ~/.e16. It sounds like it might take quite a few tweaks. I have hesitated to make the jump to lightspeed because I rely on my E16 desktop and there seems to be issues with making E16 and E17 coexist for test purposes. I could certainly convert my working account to GNOME until I am confident of E17 and have it configured to by satisfaction but GNOME is so boring :) Mike --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=103432bid=230486dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
[e-users] @developers: how to get a reaction on a bugfix?
Hi developers, what have I to do to get a reaction on the bugfix I have sent yesterday? Are there some rules I broke? Don't ignore me, please. Gerald --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=103432bid=230486dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Continuing... Anonymous CVS Servers - YOU CAN HELP!
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: snipped PowerEdge 850 (1u): Pentium D Dual core 3.2Ghz 2x1MB L2 Cache, 2GB 667MHz DDR RAM, SATA Raid Controller, 2x250GB SATA 7200rpm Drives, 24x speed CD. Standard next business day on site warranty support (nothing special) = $2744 PowerEdge 1850 (2u): 3Ghz Xeon 2MB L2 Cache x 2, 2GB 400Mhz DDR RAM, SCSI Raid Controller, 2x146GB SCSI 1rpm Drives, 24x speed CDROM. Standard next business day on site warranty support (nothing special) = $4272 I hate to throw a spanner in the works here, but on the other hand ... One of my friends is winding up his software business and selling off assets. One asset of particular interest is a Dell server that might be just what you're after. It's been strictly a test box, and while it's probably been turned on 24/7 for the past 2 years or so, it has had *NO* load at all ... if that makes any difference. He's asking $1,000 ( Australian ). I'll let others comment on the value / relative performance. If you're after something new / faster, then fair enough - thought I'd let people know in case it looks attractive ( which I suppose will depend on how much money is raised ). Here are the specs ... - Dell 2600 with some 2800 bits ( approx 2 years old ) - Dual 2 Gig Xeon ( with hyperthreading ) - 512K L2 cache - 1GB RAM - LSI Logic 1030 Ultra320 SCSI card (not raid, but quite fast) - 2 * 18GB Seagate ST318453LC scsi drives - Gig ethernet lspci: :00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation E7500 Memory Controller Hub (rev 03) :00:02.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation E7500/E7501 Hub Interface B PCI-to-PCI Bridge (rev 03) :00:03.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation E7500/E7501 Hub Interface C PCI-to-PCI Bridge (rev 03) :00:04.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation E7500/E7501 Hub Interface D PCI-to-PCI Bridge (rev 03) :00:1d.0 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801CA/CAM USB (Hub #1) (rev 02) :00:1e.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801 PCI Bridge (rev 42) :00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation 82801CA LPC Interface Controller (rev 02) :00:1f.1 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801CA Ultra ATA Storage Controller (rev 02) :01:1c.0 PIC: Intel Corporation 82870P2 P64H2 I/OxAPIC (rev 03) :01:1d.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82870P2 P64H2 Hub PCI Bridge (rev 03) :01:1e.0 PIC: Intel Corporation 82870P2 P64H2 I/OxAPIC (rev 03) :01:1f.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82870P2 P64H2 Hub PCI Bridge (rev 03) :03:01.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82544GC Gigabit Ethernet Controller (LOM) (rev 02) :04:1c.0 PIC: Intel Corporation 82870P2 P64H2 I/OxAPIC (rev 03) :04:1d.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82870P2 P64H2 Hub PCI Bridge (rev 03) :04:1e.0 PIC: Intel Corporation 82870P2 P64H2 I/OxAPIC (rev 03) :04:1f.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82870P2 P64H2 Hub PCI Bridge (rev 03) :07:1c.0 PIC: Intel Corporation 82870P2 P64H2 I/OxAPIC (rev 03) :07:1d.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82870P2 P64H2 Hub PCI Bridge (rev 03) :07:1e.0 PIC: Intel Corporation 82870P2 P64H2 I/OxAPIC (rev 03) :07:1f.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82870P2 P64H2 Hub PCI Bridge (rev 03) :08:08.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 80303 I/O Processor PCI-to-PCI Bridge (rev 01) :09:0d.0 SCSI storage controller: LSI Logic / Symbios Logic 53c1030 PCI-X Fusion-MPT Dual Ultra320 SCSI (rev 07) :09:0d.1 SCSI storage controller: LSI Logic / Symbios Logic 53c1030 PCI-X Fusion-MPT Dual Ultra320 SCSI (rev 07) :0b:04.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Rage XL (rev 27) dmesg: Linux version 2.6.12-gentoo-r4 ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) (gcc version 3.3.5-20050130 (Gentoo 3.3.5.20050130-r1, ssp-3.3.5.20050130-1, pie-8.7.7.1)) #1 SMP Fri Jul 8 10:15:12 EST 2005 BIOS-provided physical RAM map: BIOS-e820: - 000a (usable) BIOS-e820: 0010 - 3ffe (usable) BIOS-e820: 3ffe - 3ffefc00 (ACPI data) BIOS-e820: 3ffefc00 - 3000 (reserved) BIOS-e820: fec0 - fec9 (reserved) BIOS-e820: fee0 - fee1 (reserved) BIOS-e820: ffb0 - 0001 (reserved) 127MB HIGHMEM available. 896MB LOWMEM available. found SMP MP-table at 000fe710 On node 0 totalpages: 262112 DMA zone: 4096 pages, LIFO batch:1 Normal zone: 225280 pages, LIFO batch:31 HighMem zone: 32736 pages, LIFO batch:15 DMI 2.3 present. ACPI: RSDP (v000 DELL ) @ 0x000fdc20 ACPI: RSDT (v001 DELL PE2600 0x0001 MSFT 0x010a) @ 0x000fdc34 ACPI: FADT (v001 DELL PE2600 0x0001 MSFT 0x010a) @ 0x000fdc64 ACPI: MADT (v001 DELL PE2600 0x0001 MSFT 0x010a) @ 0x000fdcd8 ACPI: SPCR (v001 DELL PE2600 0x0001 MSFT 0x010a) @ 0x000fdd96 ACPI: DSDT (v001 DELL PE2600 0x0001 MSFT 0x010a) @ 0x ACPI: Local APIC address 0xfee0 ACPI: LAPIC (acpi_id[0x01] lapic_id[0x00] enabled) Processor #0 15:2 APIC version 20 ACPI: LAPIC (acpi_id[0x02] lapic_id[0x02] enabled) Processor #2 15:2 APIC
Re: [e-users] @developers: how to get a reaction on a bugfix?
Am Tue, 31 Jan 2006 13:58:27 +0100 (CET) schrieb Gerald Dachs: Hi developers, what have I to do to get a reaction on the bugfix I have sent yesterday? Are there some rules I broke? Don't ignore me, please. Perhaps you should write on the developers list. As I know not all developers read the users list. regards Andreas --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=103432bid=230486dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] @developers: how to get a reaction on a bugfix?
Am Tue, 31 Jan 2006 13:58:27 +0100 (CET) schrieb Gerald Dachs: Hi developers, what have I to do to get a reaction on the bugfix I have sent yesterday? Are there some rules I broke? Don't ignore me, please. Perhaps you should write on the developers list. As I know not all developers read the users list. Oh, on the lists where I am developer only developer are writing, as I am no enlightenment developer I came not to the idea to post there. I will give it a try. Gerald --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=103432bid=230486dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] E16: run script on startup?
Michael Hughes wrote: I have hesitated to make the jump to lightspeed because I rely on my E16 desktop and there seems to be issues with making E16 and E17 coexist for test purposes. e17 and e16 coexist nicely.. some time ago, e16 had its executable renamed to e16 to allow exactly this.. so, if your e16 binary is e16 you can install e17 side-by-side without issue :) Cheers, -- Morten :wq --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=103432bid=230486dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] OpenGL rendering: sorry i won't open my mouth again
I really am sorry about this, i didn't read realize that the discussion had beed closed already... Just a simple question though, how is the rendering mode of Mac OSX? Hardware or software? Will the Aero engine of Vista be the first totally-hardware-driven graphical engine? Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) a écrit : On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 19:37:40 +0100 Florent Thiery [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Yup :) How far is the implementation of Hardware/Software OpenGL rendering? Of course the most interesting part of it would be the hardware opengl. I must say that DR17 is a performance-eater, except if you cut off lots of effects... Which is sad. I got 1,3 Ghz Banias, and i can't stand the unresponsiveness while working at 600 Mhz it works like a charom on my 1ghz pentium-m even when it clocks down to 600mhz to save battery. i don't see whatt hey problem is? i dont see it being unresponsive ever - UNLESS the disk has spun down and needs to spin up to read data - that's a matter of e paging everything off disk as much as possible (to save memory) and really relying on disk cache from there on in to keep it at a moments access away. When on 600 mHz, i see speed problems in the animation when i launch a prog from the dock (ibar), in fact whenever there is something heavy (animated background, shining follower)... Of course when the hard drive spins down it's pretty slow :) opengl wont happen. 1. it cannto do shaped masks sanely. to do this we'd need a gl frontbuffer with alpha (can do) then a way to read just the alpha convert to a mask, and punt back as a shape - the problem coems with reading the alpha pixels. glReadPixels() is about the same speed as contiental drift in my experience. every driver i have ever played with goes through one of the slowest paths possible reading pixals to client memory because its not considered an important thing to accelerate as it not only has to read pixels off card to system ram, it also is just not used much as this alone has inherent slowdowns. also gl requires TONNES of video ram - every window with gl in it will rEQUIRE the equivalent of its size in video ram IN ADDITION to all images in the textures. every client window (every xterm, mailer window, firefox whatever) will need its dimentions in video ram. ok- lets stake an example. we have a web browser 1000x1000 pixels, now 20 xterms each 500x300 pixels, another set of windows (miscellanous ones) with a total surfacfe area of lets say another 1000x1000 pixels. now the desktop bg (1600x1200) this woudl be 19Mb of video ram gone. this doesnt include the source textures (likely another few mb). basically every gl window will REQUIRE a backbuffer if we likely it or not as rendering to afrontbuffer is just not sane. this doesn't include the other problems with gl - like big drosp in performance due to fat lock contention between the xserer and the wm sicne gl goes via direct rendering. if u are doing combinations of 2d and 3d u will see things stutter and jerk. so - forget it. the gl engine also can't handle multiple contexts correctly atm (ie more than 1 gl window) and share textures between them - i tried to make it wokr in theory but it seesm to have issues and frankly - i have neither the time nor inclination to fix it - so this alone bars it from ever working. now as i was saying - forget it. i am sick to death of having this discussion every few weeks - repeatedly. either setup up - learn to code and fix the engine yourself and address these issues in the gl engine AND in all the gl drivers - or accept what u get. I forget it, i promise :p --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid3432bid#0486dat1642 ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] E16: run script on startup?
Morten e16 had its executable renamed to e16 to allow exactly this... I think that this is new for 0.16.8. Is it possible to use this name with 0.16.7? I have never found out where the initial value for ECONFDIR is set. It looks like the executable has to be renamed to e16 as well. I wonder if there are not other conflicts. It looks like a lot of the changes to 0.16.8 were made for this reason. Mike --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=103432bid=230486dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
[e-users] WOWWEEEEE!!!!!!!!
I put e17 down about 6 months ago. CVS'd last week and I was blown away byall the new stuff (control panel, borders, etc...) I nearly wept when I saw the cursor size control. The CARBON theme on e17 has got to be the SINGLE most KICK ASS piece of themeing ever made for any app in any OS at any time in the history of the world (23OZ of Glass for e16 being a close second). I do have a few questions.. Which CVS check out command is correct for the e_modules? Is there anything in the CVS misc dirs that are being maintained? I can't seem to get any icons to show up in the engage module. I haveeaps listed in ~/.e/e/applications/engage/.order, and I cleared out any engage config files. I see the border for it when I'm in the edit mode, but nothing shows up in it. I see that there are themes for modules (get-E.org). I followed the directions but my themes for the modules do not change. What am I doing wrong? What's the current app to edit key bindings? What's the current app to generate eap files from the gnome/kde menus? The select file dialog box that pops up when changing the icon of an eap with the eap editor doesn't seem to work for me (places buttons do nothing) Is this in heavy development or is my compile bad. The file manager (launched from the e17 menu) is really buggy for me. Is it also in development?
Re: [e-users] WOWWEEEEE!!!!!!!!
Ronald Lau wrote: The CARBON theme on e17 has got to be the SINGLE most KICK ASS piece of themeing ever made for any app in any OS at any time in the history of the world (23OZ of Glass for e16 being a close second). that is a matter of taste.. to me, gant is the winner, though it is rotting with changes going in :/ What's the current app to edit key bindings? enlightenment_remote The select file dialog box that pops up when changing the icon of an eap with the eap editor doesn't seem to work for me (places buttons do nothing) Is this in heavy development or is my compile bad. Not entirely sure what you mean, but the file picker does have some (minor) issues. (starting folder is displayed in 1 column) .. other than that, it's been working fine for me for weeks afaicr The file manager (launched from the e17 menu) is really buggy for me. Is it also in development? yes Cheers, -- Morten :wq --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=103432bid=230486dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] WOWWEEEEE!!!!!!!!
On 2/1/06, Ronald Lau [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I do have a few questions.. I can give you a few answers. Which CVS check out command is correct for the e_modules? cvs -z3 -d:pserver:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:2401/cvsroot/enlightenment co e_modules Is there anything in the CVS misc dirs that are being maintained? engage is one... What's the current app to edit key bindings? enlightenment_remote is the way to go right now The file manager (launched from the e17 menu) is really buggy for me. Is it also in development? http://www0.get-e.org/Main/FAQs/#38 Regards! David
Re: [e-users] OpenGL rendering: sorry i won't open my mouth again
On Tue, 31 Jan 2006 15:14:36 +0100 Florent Thiery [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I really am sorry about this, i didn't read realize that the discussion had beed closed already... Just a simple question though, how is the rendering mode of Mac OSX? Hardware or software? Will the Aero engine of Vista be the first totally-hardware-driven graphical engine? OSX is entirely hardware rendered. OSX is also not just a window manager. Enlightenment would need far more acceleration support from X in order to get performance like OSX has. If you are concerned about other platforms getting hardware rendering on the desktop before us, go bug the Xorg devs(: Jesse --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=103432bid=230486dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] OpenGL rendering: sorry i won't open my mouth again
On Tue, 2006-01-31 at 09:48 -0600, Jesse Luehrs wrote: On Tue, 31 Jan 2006 15:14:36 +0100 Florent Thiery [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I really am sorry about this, i didn't read realize that the discussion had beed closed already... Just a simple question though, how is the rendering mode of Mac OSX? Hardware or software? Will the Aero engine of Vista be the first totally-hardware-driven graphical engine? OSX is entirely hardware rendered. OSX is also not just a window manager. Enlightenment would need far more acceleration support from X in order to get performance like OSX has. If you are concerned about other platforms getting hardware rendering on the desktop before us, go bug the Xorg devs(: that's a very bad advice. don't bug the xorg devs, unless its important. they have enough trouble reviving x as it is. Jesse --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=103432bid=230486dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=103432bid=230486dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] OpenGL rendering: sorry i won't open my mouth again
On Tue, 31 Jan 2006 18:31:18 +0200 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: that's a very bad advice. don't bug the xorg devs, unless its important. they have enough trouble reviving x as it is. I wasn't entirely serious(: My point was just that they would actually be able to do something about it, unlike the Enlightenment devs. I totally agree that bugging devs in general is a bad thing. Jesse --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=103432bid=230486dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
RE: [e-users] WOWWEEEEE!!!!!!!!
What's the current app to edit key bindings? I have a perl script that I picked up somewhere. Are there any current scripts/frontends for enlightenment_remote? --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid3432bid#0486dat1642 ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Continuing... Anonymous CVS Servers - YOU CAN HELP!
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: Ok - sorry for being a bit quiet. I've had the flu and have been out of any energy to do anything over the last 4 days or so. I've let this thread move along and see what people have to say. It seems there is sufficient support to make this happen - and since we have bandwidth and hosting provided for - the only burden on us is getting hardware together. ok - i've taken a stab at it here are 2 examples (Taken from dell because its easy to select things and geta price immediately): I hope the dell examples are just examples. I've heard all kinds of folks (particularily on the postgresql lists) who have had nothing but trouble out of Dell servers. I like Monarch Computer and you can pick and choose your hardware. Further, they do Linux. :) Also, I can drive to their location, thus if we need to do some price discussion, I'd be willing to do it in person. Maybe we should hit them up for some FREE hardware? I've picked a couple of comparable systems: PowerEdge 850 (1u): Pentium D Dual core 3.2Ghz 2x1MB L2 Cache, 2GB 667MHz DDR RAM, SATA Raid Controller, 2x250GB SATA 7200rpm Drives, 24x speed CD. Standard next business day on site warranty support (nothing special) = $2744 Dual Opteron 250s 2.4Ghz (64/32bit), 2x400 SATA 7200 drives, 2gig ddr (400) 3200 ECC ram, 16x DL DVD+/-, Fedora Core 4. This is the stock setup, you can tweak it on this link (swap the DVD for a cdrom...): http://tinyurl.com/dezfv From this page, scroll down to the 'price point' box and select 'around $3000' The box above is just under $3000 PowerEdge 1850 (2u): 3Ghz Xeon 2MB L2 Cache x 2, 2GB 400Mhz DDR RAM, SCSI Raid Controller, 2x146GB SCSI 1rpm Drives, 24x speed CDROM. Standard next business day on site warranty support (nothing special) = $4272 Dual Opteron 275 Dual-Core 2.2Ghz 1MB, everything else is the same as the Opteron box above. $4085 This is a SAMPLE. I personally would take the first option - cheaper, likely overall the same spee (depends what u are doing though). ie faster memory bus, but less l2 cache, but a tiny bit more ghz. 7200v1rpm - etc. anyway - do other peolp eant to investigate options elsewhere? NB: to people offering i have a raid controller you can use or i may have a spare cpu - that's great - thanks, but really impractical. Agreed. Anyway - so what do you guys think? to me it seesm as if we have a target of about $3500 to meet at this stage (we need some extra for shipping and handling, and then some extra in the kitty for when warranty runs out and we need new parts or we need to ship someone up to the server to fix it etc. or whatever - i also just like over-estimating costs and coiming out with a pleasant surprise) Where will the box reside? (Geographically) -- Until later, Geoffrey --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=103432bid=230486dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
RE: [e-users] WOWWEEEEE!!!!!!!!
Found it: erme I just couldn't remember its name. Is it ok to use erme version 3 with the CVS version of e17? R. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ronald Lau Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 11:03 AM To: eusers Subject: RE: [e-users] WOWWE Importance: Low What's the current app to edit key bindings? I have a perl script that I picked up somewhere. Are there any current scripts/frontends for enlightenment_remote? --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmdlnkkid3432bid#0486dat1642 ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid3432bid#0486dat1642 ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
[e-users] Module problems
hey everyone whenever I enable certain modules (evolume, slideshow, mount specifically) enlightenment crashes immediately and the module doesn't get enabled. This started happening about a month ago. All other modules that I use work fine. In the past I remember having some sort of problem with a couple modules and I deleted a few files and that fixed it, but I don't remember what I did or if this is a similar problem. Has anyone else seen this or know how to fix it? I have tried recompiling the modules and there is no change. I update e regularly. Also, on my desktop at home I have 2 screens using xinerama. About a month ago (but before the other module problems started) the pager on the second monitor disappeared, and there was only one desktop on that screen. Recently after updating I can switch desktops on that screen using the scrollwheel, but there is still no pager. Anyone know how to fix this one? Thanks --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=103432bid=230486dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] E16: run script on startup?
Michael Hughes wrote: Morten e16 had its executable renamed to e16 to allow exactly this... I think that this is new for 0.16.8. Is it possible to use this name with 0.16.7? I have never found out where the initial value for ECONFDIR is set. It looks like the executable has to be renamed to e16 as well. I wonder if there are not other conflicts. It looks like a lot of the changes to 0.16.8 were made for this reason. It should be possible to rename the e16 binary (any version) to whatever you want. If you want a non-default configuration directory use -econfdir (16.8) or -P/--econfdir (= 16.8). The primary reasons why it is recommended not to rename .enlightenment to .e16 when switching to e16.8 is that cached theme/config files from older versions may cause trouble, and that an old custom menus.cfg most likely will not work without adjustments. Almost all themes should be compatible with 16.8, also if there are cusomized theme files in the user configuration directory. The exceptions are that the theme files can no longer contain configuration settings (I think I have seen one theme using this), and they can no longer contain menu definitions, which would have to be removed or moved/merged into a custom menus.cfg (I'm only aware of two themes doing this, one being Ganymede which I have fixed up, and the other being Aqua+clones which includes a menus.cfg in menustyles.cfg). /Kim --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=103432bid=230486dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] OpenGL rendering
Am Dienstag, den 31.01.2006, 10:27 +0900 schrieb Carsten Haitzler: now as i was saying - forget it. i am sick to death of having this discussion every few weeks - repeatedly. either setup up - learn to code and fix the engine yourself and address these issues in the gl engine AND in all the gl drivers - or accept what u get. Hi, I won´t start a new discussion of that type or bug somebody to to something. I´m looking for a project to work on. Now I think to saw two possibilities how to use opengl in e without making e directly depended on it. I use clearlook-cairo with glitz and I can´t complain of cairo´s speed. So is there anything more needed than letting e-evas´ draw with cairo output? I didn´t test evas cairo stuff, but would it be a way to go ? I know evas-cairo is actually abandonded, how much work is it to get it up to date? Probably the better solution is making a new backend basend on evas-xrender. To me this states that a port is possible: The semantics of glitz are designed to precisely match the specification of the X Render extension(freedesktop.org/software/glitz) hm, one of the things I forgot... is it much work to make e output to evas-xrender? After all could this give any performance advantages? Regards, Hannes Janetzek --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=103432bid=230486dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Hidden Desktop
Oliver Pahl wrote: Hi, Do you think its possible to create something like a hidden Desktop, only reachable by a keycombo, but not visible in the Tray? I`d like one of these to hold my not so frequently used apps there :) Do you think its possible? Greets Oli not so frequently used apps == pron? :-) ps. sorry for polluting the list with stupidity but I couldn't resist. :giggle: --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=103432bid=230486dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] OpenGL rendering: sorry i won't open my mouth again
On Tue, 31 Jan 2006 15:14:36 +0100 Florent Thiery [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: I really am sorry about this, i didn't read realize that the discussion had beed closed already... Just a simple question though, how is the rendering mode of Mac OSX? Hardware or software? Will the Aero engine of Vista be the first totally-hardware-driven graphical engine? you need to do some reading up on graphics and display systems. a LOT. Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) a écrit : On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 19:37:40 +0100 Florent Thiery [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Yup :) How far is the implementation of Hardware/Software OpenGL rendering? Of course the most interesting part of it would be the hardware opengl. I must say that DR17 is a performance-eater, except if you cut off lots of effects... Which is sad. I got 1,3 Ghz Banias, and i can't stand the unresponsiveness while working at 600 Mhz it works like a charom on my 1ghz pentium-m even when it clocks down to 600mhz to save battery. i don't see whatt hey problem is? i dont see it being unresponsive ever - UNLESS the disk has spun down and needs to spin up to read data - that's a matter of e paging everything off disk as much as possible (to save memory) and really relying on disk cache from there on in to keep it at a moments access away. When on 600 mHz, i see speed problems in the animation when i launch a prog from the dock (ibar), in fact whenever there is something heavy (animated background, shining follower)... Of course when the hard drive spins down it's pretty slow :) opengl wont happen. 1. it cannto do shaped masks sanely. to do this we'd need a gl frontbuffer with alpha (can do) then a way to read just the alpha convert to a mask, and punt back as a shape - the problem coems with reading the alpha pixels. glReadPixels() is about the same speed as contiental drift in my experience. every driver i have ever played with goes through one of the slowest paths possible reading pixals to client memory because its not considered an important thing to accelerate as it not only has to read pixels off card to system ram, it also is just not used much as this alone has inherent slowdowns. also gl requires TONNES of video ram - every window with gl in it will rEQUIRE the equivalent of its size in video ram IN ADDITION to all images in the textures. every client window (every xterm, mailer window, firefox whatever) will need its dimentions in video ram. ok- lets stake an example. we have a web browser 1000x1000 pixels, now 20 xterms each 500x300 pixels, another set of windows (miscellanous ones) with a total surfacfe area of lets say another 1000x1000 pixels. now the desktop bg (1600x1200) this woudl be 19Mb of video ram gone. this doesnt include the source textures (likely another few mb). basically every gl window will REQUIRE a backbuffer if we likely it or not as rendering to afrontbuffer is just not sane. this doesn't include the other problems with gl - like big drosp in performance due to fat lock contention between the xserer and the wm sicne gl goes via direct rendering. if u are doing combinations of 2d and 3d u will see things stutter and jerk. so - forget it. the gl engine also can't handle multiple contexts correctly atm (ie more than 1 gl window) and share textures between them - i tried to make it wokr in theory but it seesm to have issues and frankly - i have neither the time nor inclination to fix it - so this alone bars it from ever working. now as i was saying - forget it. i am sick to death of having this discussion every few weeks - repeatedly. either setup up - learn to code and fix the engine yourself and address these issues in the gl engine AND in all the gl drivers - or accept what u get. I forget it, i promise :p -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] 裸好多 Tokyo, Japan (東京 日本) --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=103432bid=230486dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] OpenGL rendering
On Tue, 31 Jan 2006 23:09:45 + mista [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Am Dienstag, den 31.01.2006, 10:27 +0900 schrieb Carsten Haitzler: now as i was saying - forget it. i am sick to death of having this discussion every few weeks - repeatedly. either setup up - learn to code and fix the engine yourself and address these issues in the gl engine AND in all the gl drivers - or accept what u get. Hi, I won´t start a new discussion of that type or bug somebody to to something. I´m looking for a project to work on. Now I think to saw two possibilities how to use opengl in e without making e directly depended on it. I use clearlook-cairo with glitz and I can´t complain of cairo´s speed. So is there anything more needed than letting e-evas´ draw with cairo output? I didn´t test evas cairo stuff, but would it be a way to go ? I know evas-cairo is actually abandonded, how much work is it to get it up to date? you need to implmenent text, gradient, line and polygon re3dnering still. the rest is done. without these even being drawn it was 1/25th the speed of evas's software rendering. evas does have a DIRECT TO GL engine of its own - as i said - it has many fewer issues. a glitz engine woudl be possible - but frankly - u will have the same end problems anyway. generating things liek a shape mask are basically impractical using an form of gl as the onyl sane way to do so ends up being an abysmal software path. so any theme with shaped borders (rounded edges) menus etc. will crawl like continental drift - theres the other problem of requiring gl buffers everywhere and lock contention. Probably the better solution is making a new backend basend on evas-xrender. To me this states that a port is possible: The semantics of glitz are designed to precisely match the specification of the X Render extension(freedesktop.org/software/glitz) hm, one of the things I forgot... is it much work to make e output to evas-xrender? almost none. its a config option :) After all could this give any performance advantages? if you are instanely lucky (ati R200/r250 card, at least 64mb video ram, x.org latest 7.0 or cvs, turning on exa, other options, and some incredible luck - i have a checkout of x.org cvs from a particular day that happens to have this work with accelerattion - ane the xrender engine actually beats the opengl engine by 50% performance) Regards, Hannes Janetzek -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] 裸好多 Tokyo, Japan (東京 日本) --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=103432bid=230486dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] @developers: how to get a reaction on a bugfix?
On Tue, 31 Jan 2006 13:58:27 +0100 (CET) Gerald Dachs [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Hi developers, what have I to do to get a reaction on the bugfix I have sent yesterday? Are there some rules I broke? Don't ignore me, please. yes - mail the devel mailing list and then be patient and wait (maybe a few days). :) -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] 裸好多 Tokyo, Japan (東京 日本) --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=103432bid=230486dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Hidden Desktop
Yeah pron would be great too, but i thought more on things like Statuslog, emerge --sync cronjob, xmms, and so on :D Greets Oli Curtis Napier wrote: Oliver Pahl wrote: Hi, Do you think its possible to create something like a hidden Desktop, only reachable by a keycombo, but not visible in the Tray? I`d like one of these to hold my not so frequently used apps there :) Do you think its possible? Greets Oli not so frequently used apps == pron? :-) ps. sorry for polluting the list with stupidity but I couldn't resist. :giggle: --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=103432bid=230486dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=103432bid=230486dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Hidden Desktop
Yeah pron would be great too, but i thought more on things like Statuslog, emerge --sync cronjob, xmms, and so on :D Greets Oli Curtis Napier wrote: Oliver Pahl wrote: Hi, Do you think its possible to create something like a hidden Desktop, only reachable by a keycombo, but not visible in the Tray? I`d like one of these to hold my not so frequently used apps there :) Do you think its possible? Greets Oli not so frequently used apps == pron? :-) ps. sorry for polluting the list with stupidity but I couldn't resist. :giggle: --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=103432bid=230486dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=103432bid=230486dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
[e-users] Re: [E-devel] Continuing... Anonymous CVS Servers - YOU CAN HELP!
On 1/30/06, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PowerEdge 850 (1u): Pentium D Dual core 3.2Ghz 2x1MB L2 Cache, 2GB 667MHz DDRRAM, SATA Raid Controller, 2x250GB SATA 7200rpm Drives, 24x speed CD. Standardnext business day on site warranty support (nothing special) = $2744 PowerEdge 1850 (2u): 3Ghz Xeon 2MB L2 Cache x 2, 2GB 400Mhz DDR RAM, SCSI RaidController, 2x146GB SCSI 1rpm Drives, 24x speed CDROM. Standard nextbusiness day on site warranty support (nothing special)= $4272 These seem like reasonable systems, but the 1850 is actually a 1U system. The 2850 is the 2U. I'd lean towards the 2U system as we have more room to add drives as we can afford to. I configured it with an embedded RAID controller with three 73 GB drives in a RAID 5 configuration and it came out closer to $3500. I am a little concerned about making a decision without some information on what traffic levels we should be expecting and a base system to compare against. Unfortunately, SF doesn't provide CVS statistics. We pretty much have one shot to get this right, if we find the system is under-powered we're stuck with an expensive mirror. Anyway - so what do you guys think? to me it seesm as if we have a target of about $3500 to meet at this stage (we need some extra for shipping andhandling, and then some extra in the kitty for when warranty runs out and we need new parts or we need to ship someone up to the server to fix it etc. orwhatever - i also just like over-estimating costs and coiming out with apleasant surprise) This seems like a reasonable goal, and we can fish around for any available discounts or donations until we reach that point.
Re: [e-users] OpenGL rendering: sorry i won't open my mouth again
On Wed, 1 Feb 2006 09:01:52 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: On Tue, 31 Jan 2006 15:14:36 +0100 Florent Thiery [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: I really am sorry about this, i didn't read realize that the discussion had beed closed already... Just a simple question though, how is the rendering mode of Mac OSX? Hardware or software? Will the Aero engine of Vista be the first totally-hardware-driven graphical engine? you need to do some reading up on graphics and display systems. a LOT. NB - i said this because your question shows you dont understand graphics and windowing systems very well. they are insanely complex beasts and are more often more complex than kernels - if not many times more complex sometimes just because of sheer scope. you cant ask such generalised questions about systems so complex - without qualifying what you are assuming and intending by the question. Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) a écrit : On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 19:37:40 +0100 Florent Thiery [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Yup :) How far is the implementation of Hardware/Software OpenGL rendering? Of course the most interesting part of it would be the hardware opengl. I must say that DR17 is a performance-eater, except if you cut off lots of effects... Which is sad. I got 1,3 Ghz Banias, and i can't stand the unresponsiveness while working at 600 Mhz it works like a charom on my 1ghz pentium-m even when it clocks down to 600mhz to save battery. i don't see whatt hey problem is? i dont see it being unresponsive ever - UNLESS the disk has spun down and needs to spin up to read data - that's a matter of e paging everything off disk as much as possible (to save memory) and really relying on disk cache from there on in to keep it at a moments access away. When on 600 mHz, i see speed problems in the animation when i launch a prog from the dock (ibar), in fact whenever there is something heavy (animated background, shining follower)... Of course when the hard drive spins down it's pretty slow :) opengl wont happen. 1. it cannto do shaped masks sanely. to do this we'd need a gl frontbuffer with alpha (can do) then a way to read just the alpha convert to a mask, and punt back as a shape - the problem coems with reading the alpha pixels. glReadPixels() is about the same speed as contiental drift in my experience. every driver i have ever played with goes through one of the slowest paths possible reading pixals to client memory because its not considered an important thing to accelerate as it not only has to read pixels off card to system ram, it also is just not used much as this alone has inherent slowdowns. also gl requires TONNES of video ram - every window with gl in it will rEQUIRE the equivalent of its size in video ram IN ADDITION to all images in the textures. every client window (every xterm, mailer window, firefox whatever) will need its dimentions in video ram. ok- lets stake an example. we have a web browser 1000x1000 pixels, now 20 xterms each 500x300 pixels, another set of windows (miscellanous ones) with a total surfacfe area of lets say another 1000x1000 pixels. now the desktop bg (1600x1200) this woudl be 19Mb of video ram gone. this doesnt include the source textures (likely another few mb). basically every gl window will REQUIRE a backbuffer if we likely it or not as rendering to afrontbuffer is just not sane. this doesn't include the other problems with gl - like big drosp in performance due to fat lock contention between the xserer and the wm sicne gl goes via direct rendering. if u are doing combinations of 2d and 3d u will see things stutter and jerk. so - forget it. the gl engine also can't handle multiple contexts correctly atm (ie more than 1 gl window) and share textures between them - i tried to make it wokr in theory but it seesm to have issues and frankly - i have neither the time nor inclination to fix it - so this alone bars it from ever working. now as i was saying - forget it. i am sick to death of having this discussion every few weeks - repeatedly. either setup up - learn to code and fix the engine yourself and address these issues in the gl engine AND in all the gl drivers - or accept what u get. I forget it, i promise :p -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] 裸好多 Tokyo, Japan (東京 日本) --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=103432bid=230486dat=121642 ___
