[e-users] exebuf preload?

2006-02-03 Thread Andreas Volz
Hi,

shortly I started to work with exebuf and think it's a really cool
feature. More as a simple starting dialog. But if I start the exebuf
for the first time in an E session or not for a long time while an E
session the exebuf needs some time to load (here: up to 10sec). While
this wait time E is frozen. This is very bad for a fast application
starting tool. Isn't it possible to improve this situation?

regards
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Re: [e-users] exebuf preload?

2006-02-03 Thread The Rasterman
On Fri, 3 Feb 2006 09:32:40 +0100 Andreas Volz [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:

 Hi,
 
 shortly I started to work with exebuf and think it's a really cool
 feature. More as a simple starting dialog. But if I start the exebuf
 for the first time in an E session or not for a long time while an E
 session the exebuf needs some time to load (here: up to 10sec). While
 this wait time E is frozen. This is very bad for a fast application
 starting tool. Isn't it possible to improve this situation?

could u use oprofile and get us an oprofile dump for the time just before
exebuf is brough up until it is ready (close it immediately first). ? for me
exebuf always comes up instantaneously.

 regards
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Re: [e-users] exebuf preload?

2006-02-03 Thread Andreas Volz
Am Fri, 3 Feb 2006 18:49:46 +0900 schrieb Carsten Haitzler (The
Rasterman):

  shortly I started to work with exebuf and think it's a really cool
  feature. More as a simple starting dialog. But if I start the exebuf
  for the first time in an E session or not for a long time while an E
  session the exebuf needs some time to load (here: up to 10sec).
  While this wait time E is frozen. This is very bad for a fast
  application starting tool. Isn't it possible to improve this
  situation?
 
 could u use oprofile and get us an oprofile dump for the time just
 before exebuf is brough up until it is ready (close it immediately
 first). ? for me exebuf always comes up instantaneously.

Sure, but I never used oprofile before. It's in Gentoo portage, so I've
installed it now. But what exactly do you need? How should I execute it
to create this dump?

regards
Andreas


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Re: [e-users] exebuf preload?

2006-02-03 Thread The Rasterman
On Fri, 3 Feb 2006 11:51:15 +0100 Andreas Volz [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:

 Am Fri, 3 Feb 2006 18:49:46 +0900 schrieb Carsten Haitzler (The
 Rasterman):
 
   shortly I started to work with exebuf and think it's a really cool
   feature. More as a simple starting dialog. But if I start the exebuf
   for the first time in an E session or not for a long time while an E
   session the exebuf needs some time to load (here: up to 10sec).
   While this wait time E is frozen. This is very bad for a fast
   application starting tool. Isn't it possible to improve this
   situation?
  
  could u use oprofile and get us an oprofile dump for the time just
  before exebuf is brough up until it is ready (close it immediately
  first). ? for me exebuf always comes up instantaneously.
 
 Sure, but I never used oprofile before. It's in Gentoo portage, so I've
 installed it now. But what exactly do you need? How should I execute it
 to create this dump?

there is an oprofile gui (written using qt) and you can start/stop profiling
using that (on debian its oprof_start run it as root) there is a command-line
tool you can get a profile dump with: opreport --symbol

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Re: [e-users] exebuf preload?

2006-02-03 Thread Andreas Volz
Am Fri, 3 Feb 2006 20:44:59 +0900 schrieb Carsten Haitzler (The
Rasterman):

   could u use oprofile and get us an oprofile dump for the time just
   before exebuf is brough up until it is ready (close it immediately
   first). ? for me exebuf always comes up instantaneously.
  
  Sure, but I never used oprofile before. It's in Gentoo portage, so
  I've installed it now. But what exactly do you need? How should I
  execute it to create this dump?
 
 there is an oprofile gui (written using qt) and you can start/stop
 profiling using that (on debian its oprof_start run it as root) there
 is a command-line tool you can get a profile dump with: opreport
 --symbol

I start oprof_start as root and this dialog warns me:
--
/usr/bin/opcontrol return 1
Failed:
FATAL: Module oprofile not found
FATAL: Module oprofile not found
Kernel doesn't support oprofile

Command was:
/usr/bin/opcontrol --init
--

So do I need to activate something in the kernel and recompile? What
should I do?

regards
Andreas


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Re: [e-users] exebuf preload?

2006-02-03 Thread The Rasterman
On Fri, 3 Feb 2006 14:50:39 +0100 Andreas Volz [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:

 Am Fri, 3 Feb 2006 20:44:59 +0900 schrieb Carsten Haitzler (The
 Rasterman):
 
could u use oprofile and get us an oprofile dump for the time just
before exebuf is brough up until it is ready (close it immediately
first). ? for me exebuf always comes up instantaneously.
   
   Sure, but I never used oprofile before. It's in Gentoo portage, so
   I've installed it now. But what exactly do you need? How should I
   execute it to create this dump?
  
  there is an oprofile gui (written using qt) and you can start/stop
  profiling using that (on debian its oprof_start run it as root) there
  is a command-line tool you can get a profile dump with: opreport
  --symbol
 
 I start oprof_start as root and this dialog warns me:
 --
 /usr/bin/opcontrol return 1
 Failed:
 FATAL: Module oprofile not found
 FATAL: Module oprofile not found
 Kernel doesn't support oprofile
 
 Command was:
 /usr/bin/opcontrol --init
 --
 
 So do I need to activate something in the kernel and recompile? What
 should I do?

well it says your kernel doesnt support oprofile! take a guess! :)

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Re: [e-users] Re: [E-devel] Continuing... Anonymous CVS Servers - YOU CAN HELP!

2006-02-03 Thread Geoffrey
Just for the hell of it, I called Monarch Computer her in Georgia and
talked to them about the possibility of either donating hardware or
reducing the cost for the sake of an open source project.

That being said, I was told that I should send an email to the marketing
department.

It makes sense to me, but I'm not someone who would such a decision,
although I'm sure the Enlightenment developers and users wouldn't turn
down a deal if it was offered.

So, the question is, should I go for it, should someone else do this?
What can we offer in return?  Links off the E website?

Let me know folks?

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Re: [e-users] exebuf preload?

2006-02-03 Thread Dusik
On 03/02/06, Andreas Volz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 shortly I started to work with exebuf and think it's a really cool
 feature. More as a simple starting dialog. But if I start the exebuf
 for the first time in an E session or not for a long time while an E
 session the exebuf needs some time to load (here: up to 10sec). While
 this wait time E is frozen. This is very bad for a fast application
 starting tool. Isn't it possible to improve this situation?

I've got the same behaviour.  It takes forever to load and you can
hear the hard drive reading the entire time.

-Dusik


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Re: [e-users] exebuf preload?

2006-02-03 Thread Andreas Volz
Am Fri, 3 Feb 2006 23:40:33 +0900 schrieb Carsten Haitzler (The
Rasterman):

  So do I need to activate something in the kernel and recompile? What
  should I do?
 
 well it says your kernel doesnt support oprofile! take a guess! :)

Sorry for my stupid questions, but I never used oprofile and I've a
little in hurry currently. Now I found the option in kernel config and
recompiled the kernel with oprofile support. oprof_start works now. I
started the profiler, started exebuf, stoped the profiles and pressed
save and quit. But what now? What should I send you? Where is the
dump file? Please help me. I've currently not the time to read many
docs. If you couldn't provide a 5 line tutorial I'll try it again next
week...

regards
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Re: [e-users] exebuf preload?

2006-02-03 Thread David Seikel
On Fri, 3 Feb 2006 18:49:46 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Fri, 3 Feb 2006 09:32:40 +0100 Andreas Volz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 babbled:
 
  Hi,
  
  shortly I started to work with exebuf and think it's a really cool
  feature. More as a simple starting dialog. But if I start the exebuf
  for the first time in an E session or not for a long time while an E
  session the exebuf needs some time to load (here: up to 10sec).
  While this wait time E is frozen. This is very bad for a fast
  application starting tool. Isn't it possible to improve this
  situation?
 
 could u use oprofile and get us an oprofile dump for the time just
 before exebuf is brough up until it is ready (close it immediately
 first). ? for me exebuf always comes up instantaneously.

It used to start up slowly for me to.  So I whip out oprofile to test,
and now it starts up instantly.  Did you fix this when I wasn't
looking? 


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Re: [e-users] exebuf preload?

2006-02-03 Thread The Rasterman
On Fri, 3 Feb 2006 16:54:19 +0100 Andreas Volz [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:

 Am Fri, 3 Feb 2006 23:40:33 +0900 schrieb Carsten Haitzler (The
 Rasterman):
 
   So do I need to activate something in the kernel and recompile? What
   should I do?
  
  well it says your kernel doesnt support oprofile! take a guess! :)
 
 Sorry for my stupid questions, but I never used oprofile and I've a
 little in hurry currently. Now I found the option in kernel config and
 recompiled the kernel with oprofile support. oprof_start works now. I
 started the profiler, started exebuf, stoped the profiles and pressed
 save and quit. But what now? What should I send you? Where is the
 dump file? Please help me. I've currently not the time to read many
 docs. If you couldn't provide a 5 line tutorial I'll try it again next
 week...

i quote from my previous mail:

there is a command-line tool you can get a profile dump with: opreport
--symbols

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Re: [e-users] exebuf preload?

2006-02-03 Thread The Rasterman
On Sat, 4 Feb 2006 04:16:28 +1000 David Seikel [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:

 On Fri, 3 Feb 2006 18:49:46 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  On Fri, 3 Feb 2006 09:32:40 +0100 Andreas Volz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  babbled:
  
   Hi,
   
   shortly I started to work with exebuf and think it's a really cool
   feature. More as a simple starting dialog. But if I start the exebuf
   for the first time in an E session or not for a long time while an E
   session the exebuf needs some time to load (here: up to 10sec).
   While this wait time E is frozen. This is very bad for a fast
   application starting tool. Isn't it possible to improve this
   situation?
  
  could u use oprofile and get us an oprofile dump for the time just
  before exebuf is brough up until it is ready (close it immediately
  first). ? for me exebuf always comes up instantaneously.
 
 It used to start up slowly for me to.  So I whip out oprofile to test,
 and now it starts up instantly.  Did you fix this when I wasn't
 looking? 

no??? -maybe reboot the machine (or flush all disk caches etc. etc.) and
restart e to make sure nothing is loaded try? really all it does at startup is
load some theme data (as e is doing ALL the time while it runs - nothing new)
and it lists all files in your $PATH so it has a list of all executables to
hunt through (as it will need this soon enough). the reason it loads it then is
this list may change as u may install thing in between. i am suspectin g doing
this listing is what';s slow - but why? how can simply LISTING the constents of
maybe 10 directories (in your $PATH) take up 10 seconds? thats why i want to
see the oprofile info. the other options are to literally go into the code for
the exebuf show call and put printfs every 2nd line that print out a timestamp
(from ecore_time_get()) as a delta from the previous timestampe they got and
then see which call takes the most wall-clock time then go from there.


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Re: [e-users] exebuf preload?

2006-02-03 Thread The Rasterman
On Fri, 3 Feb 2006 10:48:10 -0500 Dusik [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:

 On 03/02/06, Andreas Volz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  shortly I started to work with exebuf and think it's a really cool
  feature. More as a simple starting dialog. But if I start the exebuf
  for the first time in an E session or not for a long time while an E
  session the exebuf needs some time to load (here: up to 10sec). While
  this wait time E is frozen. This is very bad for a fast application
  starting tool. Isn't it possible to improve this situation?
 
 I've got the same behaviour.  It takes forever to load and you can
 hear the hard drive reading the entire time.

as i said in my last mail. ALL it does it LISt the contents of each directior
in your $PATH - your disk or $PATH is very fucked to take forever just to list
their contents. exebuf needs the contents to be able to do matches. if you want
to find out where the time is going modify the code in e_exebuf.c in
e_exebuf_show() so that you have:

double t = 0.0;

at the top then regularly do:

printf(time point X: %3.3f\n, (t = ecore_time_get() - t));

paste this line in a few places form beginning to end of the function - the
place with the big time gamp is whats using the time. i suspect it'll be
ecore_file_app_list(); - that line. if you check the code thete - all it is
doing is listing all contents, then callign stat on the file to see if its
executable or not or a directory or not. the 2 stat calls shoudl be not much
more than the cost of 1 as the data is already loaded and cached. somehow the
work of loading then stat()ing all the executable in your path is death on your
machine. either you have so many things installed that literally reading this
data is so heavy it has an impact, or your disk is so fragmented and the
directory contents and file inodes are so scattered it causes this - consider
reformatting your system and re-installign cleanly, or using a filing system
that is more efficient, or stop re-installing/upgrading your system every 2
days as this will lead to badly fragmented file tables etc. etc.

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Re: [e-users] exebuf preload?

2006-02-03 Thread David Seikel
On Sat, 4 Feb 2006 11:30:09 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Sat, 4 Feb 2006 04:16:28 +1000 David Seikel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 babbled:
 
  It used to start up slowly for me to.  So I whip out oprofile to
  test, and now it starts up instantly.  Did you fix this when I
  wasn't looking? 
 
 no??? -maybe reboot the machine (or flush all disk caches etc. etc.)
 and restart e to make sure nothing is loaded try? really all it does
 at startup is load some theme data (as e is doing ALL the time while
 it runs - nothing new) and it lists all files in your $PATH so it has
 a list of all executables to hunt through (as it will need this soon
 enough). the reason it loads it then is this list may change as u may
 install thing in between. i am suspectin g doing this listing is
 what';s slow - but why? how can simply LISTING the constents of maybe
 10 directories (in your $PATH) take up 10 seconds? thats why i want
 to see the oprofile info. the other options are to literally go into
 the code for the exebuf show call and put printfs every 2nd line that
 print out a timestamp (from ecore_time_get()) as a delta from the
 previous timestampe they got and then see which call takes the most
 wall-clock time then go from there.

Well, I'm updating now, so when that is finished I'll see what happens
after a reboot. 


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Re: [e-users] exebuf preload?

2006-02-03 Thread David Seikel
On Sat, 4 Feb 2006 12:56:27 +1000 David Seikel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 On Sat, 4 Feb 2006 11:30:09 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  On Sat, 4 Feb 2006 04:16:28 +1000 David Seikel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  babbled:
  
   It used to start up slowly for me to.  So I whip out oprofile to
   test, and now it starts up instantly.  Did you fix this when I
   wasn't looking? 
  
  no??? -maybe reboot the machine (or flush all disk caches etc. etc.)
  and restart e to make sure nothing is loaded try? really all it does
  at startup is load some theme data (as e is doing ALL the time while
  it runs - nothing new) and it lists all files in your $PATH so it
  has a list of all executables to hunt through (as it will need this
  soon enough). the reason it loads it then is this list may change
  as u may install thing in between. i am suspectin g doing this
  listing is what';s slow - but why? how can simply LISTING the
  constents of maybe 10 directories (in your $PATH) take up 10
  seconds? thats why i want to see the oprofile info. the other
  options are to literally go into the code for the exebuf show call
  and put printfs every 2nd line that print out a timestamp (from
  ecore_time_get()) as a delta from the previous timestampe they got
  and then see which call takes the most wall-clock time then go from
  there.
 
 Well, I'm updating now, so when that is finished I'll see what happens
 after a reboot. 

Got the delay, profiled it, hope this helps.


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Re: [e-users] exebuf preload?

2006-02-03 Thread The Rasterman
On Sat, 4 Feb 2006 13:28:03 +1000 David Seikel [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:

 On Sat, 4 Feb 2006 12:56:27 +1000 David Seikel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 
  On Sat, 4 Feb 2006 11:30:09 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   On Sat, 4 Feb 2006 04:16:28 +1000 David Seikel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   babbled:
   
It used to start up slowly for me to.  So I whip out oprofile to
test, and now it starts up instantly.  Did you fix this when I
wasn't looking? 
   
   no??? -maybe reboot the machine (or flush all disk caches etc. etc.)
   and restart e to make sure nothing is loaded try? really all it does
   at startup is load some theme data (as e is doing ALL the time while
   it runs - nothing new) and it lists all files in your $PATH so it
   has a list of all executables to hunt through (as it will need this
   soon enough). the reason it loads it then is this list may change
   as u may install thing in between. i am suspectin g doing this
   listing is what';s slow - but why? how can simply LISTING the
   constents of maybe 10 directories (in your $PATH) take up 10
   seconds? thats why i want to see the oprofile info. the other
   options are to literally go into the code for the exebuf show call
   and put printfs every 2nd line that print out a timestamp (from
   ecore_time_get()) as a delta from the previous timestampe they got
   and then see which call takes the most wall-clock time then go from
   there.
  
  Well, I'm updating now, so when that is finished I'll see what happens
  after a reboot. 
 
 Got the delay, profiled it, hope this helps.

unfortrunately thats nopt really in a usable form :( can u do:
opreport --symbols

? :)


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Re: [e-users] exebuf preload?

2006-02-03 Thread David Seikel
On Sat, 4 Feb 2006 12:50:29 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 unfortrunately thats nopt really in a usable form :( can u do:
 opreport --symbols

Pretty sure this will be useless to.  Gotta recompile my kernel to get
kernel symbols I think.  I'm currently using the standard kernel that
comes with this distro, which is the usual heavily patched, recently
updated to the current security patch from the distro, god knows if I
can recreate it from source, version.

I've been up since 2AM hacking away at genmenu, too tired to screw with
this today.


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Re: [e-users] Continuing... Anonymous CVS Servers - YOU CAN HELP!

2006-02-03 Thread Noah Romer
On 1/30/06, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
PowerEdge 850 (1u): Pentium D Dual core 3.2Ghz 2x1MB L2 Cache, 2GB 667MHz DDRRAM, SATA Raid Controller, 2x250GB SATA 7200rpm Drives, 24x speed CD. Standardnext business day on site warranty support (nothing special) = $2744
PowerEdge 1850 (2u): 3Ghz Xeon 2MB L2 Cache x 2, 2GB 400Mhz DDR RAM, SCSI RaidController, 2x146GB SCSI 1rpm Drives, 24x speed CDROM. Standard nextbusiness day on site warranty support (nothing special)= $4272

In the spirit of checking different vendors, I went to Penguin Computing and messed around a bit:


Altus 1300 (1U)
Single AMD Opteron 265 (Dual Core) / 2GB / 2 x 250GB SATA (7200RPM) / Slim 24X CD-ROM / Fedora Core 4 / STD
3-YR WTY / 3-YR, Next-Day, OSS -- $2,602.00