Re: [e-users] E19 and multiple Xrandr outputs

2014-09-21 Thread The Rasterman
On Sun, 21 Sep 2014 08:47:15 +0200 Tassilo Horn t...@gnu.org said:

 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) ras...@rasterman.com writes:
 
 Hi Carsten,
 
  1. How can I configure my shelve so that it is always displayed on the
 primary output?  Whenever I use an external monitor, that's should be
 the primary one and I'd prefer if the shelve was shown there instead
 of the secondary output (the laptop LCD).
 
  e has some internal logic to decide screen number (sorting etc.) - or
  well it used to with xinerama - it'd sort with the screen with the
  most pixels on it == screen 0 (primary) and in some cases you'll find
  your primary screen switches around on addition of a new monitor - but
  i think somewhere along the way this was dropped just taking whatever
  randr say the screen numbers are to avoid weird moving-around of
  stuff.
 
 Hm, yesterday while playing arount with xrandr (the cmd line tool) I
 managed to switch the shelve to the external monitor somehow.  So it's
 possible although the simple
 
   xrandr --output HDMI1 --right-of eDP1 --auto --primary
 
 didn't suffice.
 
  2. How can I move a window from one output to the other?  I've tried the
 To Next Screen/To Previous Screen actions in the Window: Moving
 category of the Key Bindings but that doesn't work.  I guess that's
 probably for real X screens which nowadays nobody uses anymore...
 
  no it doesn't mean that. it means what you think. window:moving - move
  to next screen / move to previous screen .. work for me. not virtual
  desktops... to screen - like monitor. i just tested it.
 
 Hm, it surely didn't work for me.  I'll give it...

well i tried it and it worked. beats me why it doesnt for you unless you have
multihead

  you can move windows also by just dragging them across to the other
  screen
 
 I also tried dragging with the mouse without luck.  But note that I
 still haven't learned any mouse bindings, so I'll have to give it
 another try again.

you dont need mouse bindings. click titlebar - move window over to other
screen. unless you are using multihead (multiple root windows) this will work.
if you are using multihead... you'll never be able to do this. windows cant
move between root windows at the x11 level here.

  or use the pager to do it (dnd mini window from pager on one screen to
  the pager on the other).
 
 Ah, I didn't know I could do that.
 
  also menu move to.. select screen + desktop to send the window too
  (alt+right mouse on menu or clikc icon on titlebar).
 
 That's also new to me.
 
  3. Is there some Xrandr config tool for enlightenment?  The Screen setup
 settings don't work too well for me.  Especially, I frequently have
 
  screen setup is the tool. otherwise use xrandr (it's a cmdline tool 0 not
  part of e - part of x11 tools).
 
 Yeah, I simply wrote me a do-what-i-mean shell script using xrandr.
 
 Thanks,
 Tassilo
 


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Re: [e-users] E19 and multiple Xrandr outputs

2014-09-21 Thread The Rasterman
On Sun, 21 Sep 2014 11:12:41 +0200 Tassilo Horn t...@gnu.org said:

 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) ras...@rasterman.com writes:
 
 Hi Carsten,
 
   2. How can I move a window from one output to the other?  I've tried the
  To Next Screen/To Previous Screen actions in the Window: Moving
  category of the Key Bindings but that doesn't work.  I guess that's
  probably for real X screens which nowadays nobody uses anymore...
  
   no it doesn't mean that. it means what you think. window:moving - move
   to next screen / move to previous screen .. work for me. not virtual
   desktops... to screen - like monitor. i just tested it.
  
  Hm, it surely didn't work for me.  I'll give it...
 
  well i tried it and it worked. beats me why it doesnt for you unless you
  have multihead
 
 I do have multi-head, I mean that's the term for having multiple
 monitors attached to the computer, no?  If you mean multiple separate
 X11 screens, then no, I don't.

multihead is the old term referring to multiple x11 root windows across
multiple monitors as opposed to what ten became xinerama (and xrandr) which is
one root window across all.

  you dont need mouse bindings. click titlebar - move window over to
  other screen. unless you are using multihead (multiple root windows)
  this will work.  if you are using multihead... you'll never be able to
  do this. windows cant move between root windows at the x11 level here.
 
 Yes, got it.  I'll try both dragging and the move to... window menu
 functions the next time I've a external monitor attached.
 
 Bye,
 Tassilo
 


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[e-users] E19 and multiple Xrandr outputs

2014-09-20 Thread Tassilo Horn
Hi,

I have some questions concerning E19 with multiple outputs (in Xrandr
parlance), i.e., I have my laptop LCD and an external LCD attached.

1. How can I configure my shelve so that it is always displayed on the
   primary output?  Whenever I use an external monitor, that's should be
   the primary one and I'd prefer if the shelve was shown there instead
   of the secondary output (the laptop LCD).

2. How can I move a window from one output to the other?  I've tried the
   To Next Screen/To Previous Screen actions in the Window: Moving
   category of the Key Bindings but that doesn't work.  I guess that's
   probably for real X screens which nowadays nobody uses anymore...

3. Is there some Xrandr config tool for enlightenment?  The Screen setup
   settings don't work too well for me.  Especially, I frequently have
   to do presentations, and then a quick mirror outputs in the best
   solution that's doable by the projector and my laptop LCD knob would
   be nice.

Thanks in advance,
Tassilo


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Re: [e-users] E19 and multiple Xrandr outputs

2014-09-20 Thread Christopher Barry
On Sat, 20 Sep 2014 15:14:20 +0200
Tassilo Horn t...@gnu.org wrote:

Hi,

I have some questions concerning E19 with multiple outputs (in Xrandr
parlance), i.e., I have my laptop LCD and an external LCD attached.

1. How can I configure my shelve so that it is always displayed on the
   primary output?  Whenever I use an external monitor, that's should
 be the primary one and I'd prefer if the shelve was shown there
 instead of the secondary output (the laptop LCD).

2. How can I move a window from one output to the other?  I've tried
the
   To Next Screen/To Previous Screen actions in the Window:
 Moving category of the Key Bindings but that doesn't work.  I guess
 that's probably for real X screens which nowadays nobody uses
 anymore...

3. Is there some Xrandr config tool for enlightenment?  The Screen
setup
   settings don't work too well for me.  Especially, I frequently have
   to do presentations, and then a quick mirror outputs in the best
   solution that's doable by the projector and my laptop LCD knob
 would be nice.

Thanks in advance,
Tassilo


arandr is pretty nice. it will allow you to setup the screens, then you
can save this to an xrandr script that will put it back that way.

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Re: [e-users] E19 and multiple Xrandr outputs

2014-09-20 Thread Christopher Barry
On Sat, 20 Sep 2014 20:39:33 +0200
Tassilo Horn t...@gnu.org wrote:

Christopher Barry christopher.r.ba...@gmail.com writes:

Hi Christopher,

3. Is there some Xrandr config tool for enlightenment?  The Screen
setup settings don't work too well for me.  Especially, I frequently
have to do presentations, and then a quick mirror outputs in the
best solution that's doable by the projector and my laptop LCD knob
would be nice.

 arandr is pretty nice. it will allow you to setup the screens, then
 you can save this to an xrandr script that will put it back that way.

Yeah, I've installed it for a test drive and it's ok.  On the other
hand, writing a simple do-what-I-mean shell script is probably even
better (and so I did).

Bye,
Tassilo


hehe - isn't it always?

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Re: [e-users] E19 and multiple Xrandr outputs

2014-09-20 Thread The Rasterman
On Sat, 20 Sep 2014 15:14:20 +0200 Tassilo Horn t...@gnu.org said:

 Hi,
 
 I have some questions concerning E19 with multiple outputs (in Xrandr
 parlance), i.e., I have my laptop LCD and an external LCD attached.
 
 1. How can I configure my shelve so that it is always displayed on the
primary output?  Whenever I use an external monitor, that's should be
the primary one and I'd prefer if the shelve was shown there instead
of the secondary output (the laptop LCD).

e has some internal logic to decide screen number (sorting etc.) - or well it
used to with xinerama - it'd sort with the screen with the most pixels on it ==
screen 0 (primary) and in some cases you'll find your primary screen switches
around on addition of a new monitor - but i think somewhere along the way this
was dropped just taking whatever randr say the screen numbers are to avoid
weird moving-around of stuff.

 2. How can I move a window from one output to the other?  I've tried the
To Next Screen/To Previous Screen actions in the Window: Moving
category of the Key Bindings but that doesn't work.  I guess that's
probably for real X screens which nowadays nobody uses anymore...

no it doesn't mean that. it means what you think. window:moving - move to next
screen / move to previous screen .. work for me. not virtual desktops... to
screen - like monitor. i just tested it. you can move windows also by just
dragging them across to the other screen or use the pager to do it (dnd mini
window from pager on one screen to the pager on the other). also menu move
to.. select screen + desktop to send the window too (alt+right mouse on menu
or clikc icon on titlebar). so there are a plethora of ways of doing this

 3. Is there some Xrandr config tool for enlightenment?  The Screen setup
settings don't work too well for me.  Especially, I frequently have

screen setup is the tool. otherwise use xrandr (it's a cmdline tool 0 not part
of e - part of x11 tools).

to do presentations, and then a quick mirror outputs in the best
solution that's doable by the projector and my laptop LCD knob would
be nice.

one of these days i'll go fix up multi screen setup to do things like when i
plug in a screen pop up dialog to ask if the new screen should expand (which
way) or mirror some existing screen. that was on the list of stuff to do. also
current dialog has some problems with resize and positioning - close, but not
quite there (corner cases).

 Thanks in advance,
 Tassilo
 
 
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