Re: [e-users] Is there a mail client written for E17?
On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 12:18 AM, David Seikel onef...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, 19 Apr 2011 00:14:36 +0200 Cedric BAIL cedric.b...@free.fr wrote: On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 10:54 PM, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday 18 April 2011 19:47:30 Karl Sinn wrote: It would be really great to have one :) It certainly would :) but I don't see it happening anytime soon. The webkit port of efl still needs lots of work :( Is there a way to motivate all the E17 heros (programmers) to focus on this for some time? ;) There's already a relatively large number of mail clients out there to suit different requirements of functionality and taste. Why is an e17 client necessary/desired? Is it wise for devs to divert scarce time to develop a 'me too' application, or is there some overwhelming innovation in mail client functionality and features that is desperate to come out? Of course devs will do what they see fit, but I am questioning the rational for yet another mail client application, when time and effort can be thin on the ground. At least I see one reason, last time I tried evolution, kmail and thunderbird on my imap server, they took around 1GB of allocated memory. That was just insane, and they where dead slow at doing anything... Oh, and I have a computer I consider should never slow down for just displaying a text (yes, most of my mail are just text). Try claws-mail, or likely any one of a dozen others that people will recommend now. Though claws-mail tends to leak memory slowly. Depend how you define it, but from my point of view, claws-mail also use to much ressource : 0223d000-499c7000 rw-p 00:00 0 [heap] Size:1170984 kB -- Cedric BAIL -- Benefiting from Server Virtualization: Beyond Initial Workload Consolidation -- Increasing the use of server virtualization is a top priority.Virtualization can reduce costs, simplify management, and improve application availability and disaster protection. Learn more about boosting the value of server virtualization. http://p.sf.net/sfu/vmware-sfdev2dev ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Is there a mail client written for E17?
Depend how you define it, but from my point of view, claws-mail also use to much ressource : 0223d000-499c7000 rw-p 00:00 0 [heap] Size:1170984 kB Sounds like there is a need of a mail-client which implements the ideals of E17. Karl -- Benefiting from Server Virtualization: Beyond Initial Workload Consolidation -- Increasing the use of server virtualization is a top priority.Virtualization can reduce costs, simplify management, and improve application availability and disaster protection. Learn more about boosting the value of server virtualization. http://p.sf.net/sfu/vmware-sfdev2dev ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Is there a mail client written for E17?
2011/4/20 Karl Sinn n...@budostore.de: Depend how you define it, but from my point of view, claws-mail also use to much ressource : 0223d000-499c7000 rw-p 00:00 0 [heap] Size: 1170984 kB Sounds like there is a need of a mail-client which implements the ideals of E17. Patches welcome. Karl -- Benefiting from Server Virtualization: Beyond Initial Workload Consolidation -- Increasing the use of server virtualization is a top priority.Virtualization can reduce costs, simplify management, and improve application availability and disaster protection. Learn more about boosting the value of server virtualization. http://p.sf.net/sfu/vmware-sfdev2dev ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users -- Benefiting from Server Virtualization: Beyond Initial Workload Consolidation -- Increasing the use of server virtualization is a top priority.Virtualization can reduce costs, simplify management, and improve application availability and disaster protection. Learn more about boosting the value of server virtualization. http://p.sf.net/sfu/vmware-sfdev2dev ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Is there a mail client written for E17?
On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 3:47 AM, Wido wido...@gmail.com wrote: While I agree E17 needs to be released firstwouldn't be better launch it with a full user experience? such as E wm + mail + browser + IM, ready for use, just 'plug and play!' Anyway, there are far more people reading mails through a webmail now... like gmail and others... BUT... e17 is a WM, so... shouldn't be release as a WM first ? further release could have an apps manager which would bring EFL apps easily. But the priority is to have users, before bringing the whole desktop apps, and the best of IMHO to reach this is to release early, release often. Even KDE or Gnome bring an app after a while, if it's used, if it's stable, etc... This is not because you have an EFL MUA that people will use/like it. And if there are free time somewhere, let's concentrate on the goal :) E17 RELEASE !!! Go go go :) everybody know that are tons of email clients, web browsers , irc clients and all those things. But there are also lots of WM. Saying 'why doing that? there are already a lot' is kind of a stupid answer in open source world. Open source world has a lot of everithingand people keeps creating more of those things anyway I think both options are equally good, launchig E first or launching it with basic common apps. But different users (and probabley devs too) will have different opinions and tastes. We know everybody can't be please Mom, can I have a mail client that looks like gmails conversations with my hapy meal too? regards! On Lunes Abril 18 2011 21:25:55 Jeff Hoogland escribió: *E17 needs to be released first.* +1 ~Jeff Hoogland On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 7:16 PM, Carsten Haitzler ras...@rasterman.comwrote: On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:47:30 +0200 Karl Sinn n...@budostore.de said: It would be really great to have one :) It certainly would :) but I don't see it happening anytime soon. The webkit port of efl still needs lots of work :( Is there a way to motivate all the E17 heros (programmers) to focus on this for some time? ;) HELL NO. E17 needs to be released first. unless it's someone who would never work on E17 anyway... i'm not into the idea of encouraging our devs to go work on email clients instead of the wm. -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler) ras...@rasterman.com -- Benefiting from Server Virtualization: Beyond Initial Workload Consolidation -- Increasing the use of server virtualization is a top priority.Virtualization can reduce costs, simplify management, and improve application availability and disaster protection. Learn more about boosting the value of server virtualization. http://p.sf.net/sfu/vmware-sfdev2dev ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users -- -- Wido -- Benefiting from Server Virtualization: Beyond Initial Workload Consolidation -- Increasing the use of server virtualization is a top priority.Virtualization can reduce costs, simplify management, and improve application availability and disaster protection. Learn more about boosting the value of server virtualization. http://p.sf.net/sfu/vmware-sfdev2dev ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users -- Steven Le Roux Jabber-ID : ste...@jabber.fr 0x39494CCB ste...@le-roux.info 2FF7 226B 552E 4709 03F0 6281 72D7 A010 3949 4CCB -- Benefiting from Server Virtualization: Beyond Initial Workload Consolidation -- Increasing the use of server virtualization is a top priority.Virtualization can reduce costs, simplify management, and improve application availability and disaster protection. Learn more about boosting the value of server virtualization. http://p.sf.net/sfu/vmware-sfdev2dev ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Is there a mail client written for E17?
Release e17 first, more developers will join e. Then we can do other jobs with medium or low priorities. IMO, we don't enough human resources. Sorry I can't clone a bunch of rasters. Thanks. Daniel Juyung Seo (SeoZ) On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 10:04 PM, Steven Le Roux ste...@le-roux.infowrote: On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 3:47 AM, Wido wido...@gmail.com wrote: While I agree E17 needs to be released firstwouldn't be better launch it with a full user experience? such as E wm + mail + browser + IM, ready for use, just 'plug and play!' Anyway, there are far more people reading mails through a webmail now... like gmail and others... BUT... e17 is a WM, so... shouldn't be release as a WM first ? further release could have an apps manager which would bring EFL apps easily. But the priority is to have users, before bringing the whole desktop apps, and the best of IMHO to reach this is to release early, release often. Even KDE or Gnome bring an app after a while, if it's used, if it's stable, etc... This is not because you have an EFL MUA that people will use/like it. And if there are free time somewhere, let's concentrate on the goal :) E17 RELEASE !!! Go go go :) everybody know that are tons of email clients, web browsers , irc clients and all those things. But there are also lots of WM. Saying 'why doing that? there are already a lot' is kind of a stupid answer in open source world. Open source world has a lot of everithingand people keeps creating more of those things anyway I think both options are equally good, launchig E first or launching it with basic common apps. But different users (and probabley devs too) will have different opinions and tastes. We know everybody can't be please Mom, can I have a mail client that looks like gmails conversations with my hapy meal too? regards! On Lunes Abril 18 2011 21:25:55 Jeff Hoogland escribió: *E17 needs to be released first.* +1 ~Jeff Hoogland On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 7:16 PM, Carsten Haitzler ras...@rasterman.com wrote: On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:47:30 +0200 Karl Sinn n...@budostore.de said: It would be really great to have one :) It certainly would :) but I don't see it happening anytime soon. The webkit port of efl still needs lots of work :( Is there a way to motivate all the E17 heros (programmers) to focus on this for some time? ;) HELL NO. E17 needs to be released first. unless it's someone who would never work on E17 anyway... i'm not into the idea of encouraging our devs to go work on email clients instead of the wm. -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)ras...@rasterman.com -- Benefiting from Server Virtualization: Beyond Initial Workload Consolidation -- Increasing the use of server virtualization is a top priority.Virtualization can reduce costs, simplify management, and improve application availability and disaster protection. Learn more about boosting the value of server virtualization. http://p.sf.net/sfu/vmware-sfdev2dev ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users -- -- Wido -- Benefiting from Server Virtualization: Beyond Initial Workload Consolidation -- Increasing the use of server virtualization is a top priority.Virtualization can reduce costs, simplify management, and improve application availability and disaster protection. Learn more about boosting the value of server virtualization. http://p.sf.net/sfu/vmware-sfdev2dev ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users -- Steven Le Roux Jabber-ID : ste...@jabber.fr 0x39494CCB ste...@le-roux.info 2FF7 226B 552E 4709 03F0 6281 72D7 A010 3949 4CCB -- Benefiting from Server Virtualization: Beyond Initial Workload Consolidation -- Increasing the use of server virtualization is a top priority.Virtualization can reduce costs, simplify management, and improve application availability and disaster protection. Learn more about boosting the value of server virtualization. http://p.sf.net/sfu/vmware-sfdev2dev ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Is there a mail client written for E17?
On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 4:28 PM, Daniel Juyung Seo seojuyu...@gmail.com wrote: Release e17 first, more developers will join e. Then we can do other jobs with medium or low priorities. IMO, we don't enough human resources. Sorry I can't clone a bunch of rasters. That should be our top priorities, clone ! An army of clone ! -- Cedric BAIL -- Benefiting from Server Virtualization: Beyond Initial Workload Consolidation -- Increasing the use of server virtualization is a top priority.Virtualization can reduce costs, simplify management, and improve application availability and disaster protection. Learn more about boosting the value of server virtualization. http://p.sf.net/sfu/vmware-sfdev2dev ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Is there a mail client written for E17?
An army of clonesbut only if we can sit them to code!!! Do you imagine a world of rasters? it would be like the world of agent smiths!!! 2011/4/20 Cedric BAIL cedric.b...@free.fr On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 4:28 PM, Daniel Juyung Seo seojuyu...@gmail.com wrote: Release e17 first, more developers will join e. Then we can do other jobs with medium or low priorities. IMO, we don't enough human resources. Sorry I can't clone a bunch of rasters. That should be our top priorities, clone ! An army of clone ! -- Cedric BAIL -- Benefiting from Server Virtualization: Beyond Initial Workload Consolidation -- Increasing the use of server virtualization is a top priority.Virtualization can reduce costs, simplify management, and improve application availability and disaster protection. Learn more about boosting the value of server virtualization. http://p.sf.net/sfu/vmware-sfdev2dev ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users -- Wido -- Benefiting from Server Virtualization: Beyond Initial Workload Consolidation -- Increasing the use of server virtualization is a top priority.Virtualization can reduce costs, simplify management, and improve application availability and disaster protection. Learn more about boosting the value of server virtualization. http://p.sf.net/sfu/vmware-sfdev2dev ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Is there a mail client written for E17?
Why not setup a set of goals for Applcations like you did for games and demos on the wiki? We could prioritize them into groups: Must have, Good to have, Like to have. Those that are working on distros based around e17 would be a great source for what is NEEDED and what is WANTED. Maybe Bodhi or Elive could help out with the list. I've been working on a program for the Pandora (based on the EFL) for awhile now and I could use a new project, but without an Idea of whats needed I'm not sure which way to go. Just my two cents. On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 2:57 PM, Wido wido...@gmail.com wrote: An army of clonesbut only if we can sit them to code!!! Do you imagine a world of rasters? it would be like the world of agent smiths!!! 2011/4/20 Cedric BAIL cedric.b...@free.fr On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 4:28 PM, Daniel Juyung Seo seojuyu...@gmail.com wrote: Release e17 first, more developers will join e. Then we can do other jobs with medium or low priorities. IMO, we don't enough human resources. Sorry I can't clone a bunch of rasters. That should be our top priorities, clone ! An army of clone ! -- Cedric BAIL -- Benefiting from Server Virtualization: Beyond Initial Workload Consolidation -- Increasing the use of server virtualization is a top priority.Virtualization can reduce costs, simplify management, and improve application availability and disaster protection. Learn more about boosting the value of server virtualization. http://p.sf.net/sfu/vmware-sfdev2dev ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users -- Wido -- Benefiting from Server Virtualization: Beyond Initial Workload Consolidation -- Increasing the use of server virtualization is a top priority.Virtualization can reduce costs, simplify management, and improve application availability and disaster protection. Learn more about boosting the value of server virtualization. http://p.sf.net/sfu/vmware-sfdev2dev ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users -- Benefiting from Server Virtualization: Beyond Initial Workload Consolidation -- Increasing the use of server virtualization is a top priority.Virtualization can reduce costs, simplify management, and improve application availability and disaster protection. Learn more about boosting the value of server virtualization. http://p.sf.net/sfu/vmware-sfdev2dev ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Is there a mail client written for E17?
On Wed, 20 Apr 2011 16:57:21 -0300 Wido wido...@gmail.com said: it's the smell... if there is such a thing. i feel... saturated by it. i can taste your stink and every time i do i fear that i've somehow been infected by it! An army of clonesbut only if we can sit them to code!!! Do you imagine a world of rasters? it would be like the world of agent smiths!!! 2011/4/20 Cedric BAIL cedric.b...@free.fr On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 4:28 PM, Daniel Juyung Seo seojuyu...@gmail.com wrote: Release e17 first, more developers will join e. Then we can do other jobs with medium or low priorities. IMO, we don't enough human resources. Sorry I can't clone a bunch of rasters. That should be our top priorities, clone ! An army of clone ! -- Cedric BAIL -- Benefiting from Server Virtualization: Beyond Initial Workload Consolidation -- Increasing the use of server virtualization is a top priority.Virtualization can reduce costs, simplify management, and improve application availability and disaster protection. Learn more about boosting the value of server virtualization. http://p.sf.net/sfu/vmware-sfdev2dev ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users -- Wido -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)ras...@rasterman.com -- Benefiting from Server Virtualization: Beyond Initial Workload Consolidation -- Increasing the use of server virtualization is a top priority.Virtualization can reduce costs, simplify management, and improve application availability and disaster protection. Learn more about boosting the value of server virtualization. http://p.sf.net/sfu/vmware-sfdev2dev ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Is there a mail client written for E17?
At least I see one reason, last time I tried evolution, kmail and thunderbird on my imap server, they took around 1GB of allocated memory. That was just insane, and they where dead slow at doing anything... Oh, and I have a computer I consider should never slow down for just displaying a text (yes, most of my mail are just text). That's the reason why was asking: Until now I use Kmail. Since it comes with KDE4 it is slowing down with nearly every version and obliging to install more and more extra packages I simply don't need. Karl -- Benefiting from Server Virtualization: Beyond Initial Workload Consolidation -- Increasing the use of server virtualization is a top priority.Virtualization can reduce costs, simplify management, and improve application availability and disaster protection. Learn more about boosting the value of server virtualization. http://p.sf.net/sfu/vmware-sfdev2dev ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
[e-users] Is there a mail client written for E17?
Hi, is there a mail client written especially for E17? Thanks Karl -- Benefiting from Server Virtualization: Beyond Initial Workload Consolidation -- Increasing the use of server virtualization is a top priority.Virtualization can reduce costs, simplify management, and improve application availability and disaster protection. Learn more about boosting the value of server virtualization. http://p.sf.net/sfu/vmware-sfdev2dev ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Is there a mail client written for E17?
no but peaople have some idea about how doing it but it ask time and nobody has free time :) 2011/4/18 Karl Sinn n...@budostore.de Hi, is there a mail client written especially for E17? Thanks Karl -- Benefiting from Server Virtualization: Beyond Initial Workload Consolidation -- Increasing the use of server virtualization is a top priority.Virtualization can reduce costs, simplify management, and improve application availability and disaster protection. Learn more about boosting the value of server virtualization. http://p.sf.net/sfu/vmware-sfdev2dev ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users -- Regards. -- Benefiting from Server Virtualization: Beyond Initial Workload Consolidation -- Increasing the use of server virtualization is a top priority.Virtualization can reduce costs, simplify management, and improve application availability and disaster protection. Learn more about boosting the value of server virtualization. http://p.sf.net/sfu/vmware-sfdev2dev ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Is there a mail client written for E17?
Actually, I started one a while ago, but as it turns out the EFL port of Webkit didn't support DOM at the time, so displaying html emails was not viable at the time so I put development of it on hold. dh On 04/18/2011 11:18 AM, Atton Jonathan wrote: no but peaople have some idea about how doing it but it ask time and nobody has free time :) 2011/4/18 Karl Sinnn...@budostore.de Hi, is there a mail client written especially for E17? Thanks Karl -- Benefiting from Server Virtualization: Beyond Initial Workload Consolidation -- Increasing the use of server virtualization is a top priority.Virtualization can reduce costs, simplify management, and improve application availability and disaster protection. Learn more about boosting the value of server virtualization. http://p.sf.net/sfu/vmware-sfdev2dev ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Is there a mail client written for E17?
On 04/18/2011 11:50 AM, Karl Sinn wrote: Am Montag, 18. April 2011, 17:29:35 schrieb Christopher Michael: Actually, I started one a while ago, but as it turns out the EFL port of Webkit didn't support DOM at the time, so displaying html emails was not viable at the time so I put development of it on hold. It would be really great to have one :) It certainly would :) but I don't see it happening anytime soon. The webkit port of efl still needs lots of work :( dh Karl -- Benefiting from Server Virtualization: Beyond Initial Workload Consolidation -- Increasing the use of server virtualization is a top priority.Virtualization can reduce costs, simplify management, and improve application availability and disaster protection. Learn more about boosting the value of server virtualization. http://p.sf.net/sfu/vmware-sfdev2dev ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Is there a mail client written for E17?
It would be really great to have one :) It certainly would :) but I don't see it happening anytime soon. The webkit port of efl still needs lots of work :( Is there a way to motivate all the E17 heros (programmers) to focus on this for some time? ;) Karl -- Benefiting from Server Virtualization: Beyond Initial Workload Consolidation -- Increasing the use of server virtualization is a top priority.Virtualization can reduce costs, simplify management, and improve application availability and disaster protection. Learn more about boosting the value of server virtualization. http://p.sf.net/sfu/vmware-sfdev2dev ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Is there a mail client written for E17?
moneys ? :D 2011/4/18 Karl Sinn n...@budostore.de It would be really great to have one :) It certainly would :) but I don't see it happening anytime soon. The webkit port of efl still needs lots of work :( Is there a way to motivate all the E17 heros (programmers) to focus on this for some time? ;) Karl -- Benefiting from Server Virtualization: Beyond Initial Workload Consolidation -- Increasing the use of server virtualization is a top priority.Virtualization can reduce costs, simplify management, and improve application availability and disaster protection. Learn more about boosting the value of server virtualization. http://p.sf.net/sfu/vmware-sfdev2dev ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users -- Regards. -- Benefiting from Server Virtualization: Beyond Initial Workload Consolidation -- Increasing the use of server virtualization is a top priority.Virtualization can reduce costs, simplify management, and improve application availability and disaster protection. Learn more about boosting the value of server virtualization. http://p.sf.net/sfu/vmware-sfdev2dev ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Is there a mail client written for E17?
On 04/18/2011 02:47 PM, Karl Sinn wrote: It would be really great to have one :) It certainly would :) but I don't see it happening anytime soon. The webkit port of efl still needs lots of work :( Is there a way to motivate all the E17 heros (programmers) to focus on this for some time? ;) Karl LOL :) Only thing I could think of would be a 'bounty' for getting it done ... but even then, it's more about the 'desire' 'time available' :) dh -- Benefiting from Server Virtualization: Beyond Initial Workload Consolidation -- Increasing the use of server virtualization is a top priority.Virtualization can reduce costs, simplify management, and improve application availability and disaster protection. Learn more about boosting the value of server virtualization. http://p.sf.net/sfu/vmware-sfdev2dev ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Is there a mail client written for E17?
Am Montag, 18. April 2011, 22:26:19 schrieb Atton Jonathan: moneys ? :D :D I was waiting for this answer Karl 2011/4/18 Karl Sinn n...@budostore.de It would be really great to have one :) It certainly would :) but I don't see it happening anytime soon. The webkit port of efl still needs lots of work :( Is there a way to motivate all the E17 heros (programmers) to focus on this for some time? ;) Karl - - Benefiting from Server Virtualization: Beyond Initial Workload Consolidation -- Increasing the use of server virtualization is a top priority.Virtualization can reduce costs, simplify management, and improve application availability and disaster protection. Learn more about boosting the value of server virtualization. http://p.sf.net/sfu/vmware-sfdev2dev ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users -- Benefiting from Server Virtualization: Beyond Initial Workload Consolidation -- Increasing the use of server virtualization is a top priority.Virtualization can reduce costs, simplify management, and improve application availability and disaster protection. Learn more about boosting the value of server virtualization. http://p.sf.net/sfu/vmware-sfdev2dev ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Is there a mail client written for E17?
Am Montag, 18. April 2011, 22:26:25 schrieb Christopher Michael: On 04/18/2011 02:47 PM, Karl Sinn wrote: It would be really great to have one :) It certainly would :) but I don't see it happening anytime soon. The webkit port of efl still needs lots of work :( Is there a way to motivate all the E17 heros (programmers) to focus on this for some time? ;) Karl LOL :) Only thing I could think of would be a 'bounty' for getting it done ... but even then, it's more about the 'desire' 'time available' :) Bounty? We talk about the ultimate coconut-chocolate-bar? If so: Christopher there'll be a bounty on it's way to you when our common e17-dream-webclients release version 1.0 will be out *drums* *more drums* Do you accept the mission? *drumsdrumsdrums* :D Karl -- Benefiting from Server Virtualization: Beyond Initial Workload Consolidation -- Increasing the use of server virtualization is a top priority.Virtualization can reduce costs, simplify management, and improve application availability and disaster protection. Learn more about boosting the value of server virtualization. http://p.sf.net/sfu/vmware-sfdev2dev ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Is there a mail client written for E17?
On Monday 18 April 2011 19:47:30 Karl Sinn wrote: It would be really great to have one :) It certainly would :) but I don't see it happening anytime soon. The webkit port of efl still needs lots of work :( Is there a way to motivate all the E17 heros (programmers) to focus on this for some time? ;) There's already a relatively large number of mail clients out there to suit different requirements of functionality and taste. Why is an e17 client necessary/desired? Is it wise for devs to divert scarce time to develop a 'me too' application, or is there some overwhelming innovation in mail client functionality and features that is desperate to come out? Of course devs will do what they see fit, but I am questioning the rational for yet another mail client application, when time and effort can be thin on the ground. -- Regards, Mick -- Benefiting from Server Virtualization: Beyond Initial Workload Consolidation -- Increasing the use of server virtualization is a top priority.Virtualization can reduce costs, simplify management, and improve application availability and disaster protection. Learn more about boosting the value of server virtualization. http://p.sf.net/sfu/vmware-sfdev2dev___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Is there a mail client written for E17?
On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 10:54 PM, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday 18 April 2011 19:47:30 Karl Sinn wrote: It would be really great to have one :) It certainly would :) but I don't see it happening anytime soon. The webkit port of efl still needs lots of work :( Is there a way to motivate all the E17 heros (programmers) to focus on this for some time? ;) There's already a relatively large number of mail clients out there to suit different requirements of functionality and taste. Why is an e17 client necessary/desired? Is it wise for devs to divert scarce time to develop a 'me too' application, or is there some overwhelming innovation in mail client functionality and features that is desperate to come out? Of course devs will do what they see fit, but I am questioning the rational for yet another mail client application, when time and effort can be thin on the ground. At least I see one reason, last time I tried evolution, kmail and thunderbird on my imap server, they took around 1GB of allocated memory. That was just insane, and they where dead slow at doing anything... Oh, and I have a computer I consider should never slow down for just displaying a text (yes, most of my mail are just text). -- Cedric BAIL -- Benefiting from Server Virtualization: Beyond Initial Workload Consolidation -- Increasing the use of server virtualization is a top priority.Virtualization can reduce costs, simplify management, and improve application availability and disaster protection. Learn more about boosting the value of server virtualization. http://p.sf.net/sfu/vmware-sfdev2dev ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Is there a mail client written for E17?
On Tue, 19 Apr 2011 00:14:36 +0200 Cedric BAIL cedric.b...@free.fr wrote: On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 10:54 PM, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday 18 April 2011 19:47:30 Karl Sinn wrote: It would be really great to have one :) It certainly would :) but I don't see it happening anytime soon. The webkit port of efl still needs lots of work :( Is there a way to motivate all the E17 heros (programmers) to focus on this for some time? ;) There's already a relatively large number of mail clients out there to suit different requirements of functionality and taste. Why is an e17 client necessary/desired? Is it wise for devs to divert scarce time to develop a 'me too' application, or is there some overwhelming innovation in mail client functionality and features that is desperate to come out? Of course devs will do what they see fit, but I am questioning the rational for yet another mail client application, when time and effort can be thin on the ground. At least I see one reason, last time I tried evolution, kmail and thunderbird on my imap server, they took around 1GB of allocated memory. That was just insane, and they where dead slow at doing anything... Oh, and I have a computer I consider should never slow down for just displaying a text (yes, most of my mail are just text). Try claws-mail, or likely any one of a dozen others that people will recommend now. Though claws-mail tends to leak memory slowly. -- A big old stinking pile of genius that no one wants coz there are too many silver coated monkeys in the world. -- Benefiting from Server Virtualization: Beyond Initial Workload Consolidation -- Increasing the use of server virtualization is a top priority.Virtualization can reduce costs, simplify management, and improve application availability and disaster protection. Learn more about boosting the value of server virtualization. http://p.sf.net/sfu/vmware-sfdev2dev ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Is there a mail client written for E17?
On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:47:30 +0200 Karl Sinn n...@budostore.de said: It would be really great to have one :) It certainly would :) but I don't see it happening anytime soon. The webkit port of efl still needs lots of work :( Is there a way to motivate all the E17 heros (programmers) to focus on this for some time? ;) HELL NO. E17 needs to be released first. unless it's someone who would never work on E17 anyway... i'm not into the idea of encouraging our devs to go work on email clients instead of the wm. -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)ras...@rasterman.com -- Benefiting from Server Virtualization: Beyond Initial Workload Consolidation -- Increasing the use of server virtualization is a top priority.Virtualization can reduce costs, simplify management, and improve application availability and disaster protection. Learn more about boosting the value of server virtualization. http://p.sf.net/sfu/vmware-sfdev2dev ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Is there a mail client written for E17?
*E17 needs to be released first.* +1 ~Jeff Hoogland On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 7:16 PM, Carsten Haitzler ras...@rasterman.comwrote: On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:47:30 +0200 Karl Sinn n...@budostore.de said: It would be really great to have one :) It certainly would :) but I don't see it happening anytime soon. The webkit port of efl still needs lots of work :( Is there a way to motivate all the E17 heros (programmers) to focus on this for some time? ;) HELL NO. E17 needs to be released first. unless it's someone who would never work on E17 anyway... i'm not into the idea of encouraging our devs to go work on email clients instead of the wm. -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)ras...@rasterman.com -- Benefiting from Server Virtualization: Beyond Initial Workload Consolidation -- Increasing the use of server virtualization is a top priority.Virtualization can reduce costs, simplify management, and improve application availability and disaster protection. Learn more about boosting the value of server virtualization. http://p.sf.net/sfu/vmware-sfdev2dev ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users -- ~Jeff Hoogland Thoughts on Technology http://jeffhoogland.blogspot.com/, Tech Blog Bodhi Linux http://bodhilinux.com/, Enlightenment for your Desktop -- Benefiting from Server Virtualization: Beyond Initial Workload Consolidation -- Increasing the use of server virtualization is a top priority.Virtualization can reduce costs, simplify management, and improve application availability and disaster protection. Learn more about boosting the value of server virtualization. http://p.sf.net/sfu/vmware-sfdev2dev ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Is there a mail client written for E17?
While I agree E17 needs to be released firstwouldn't be better launch it with a full user experience? such as E wm + mail + browser + IM, ready for use, just 'plug and play!' everybody know that are tons of email clients, web browsers , irc clients and all those things. But there are also lots of WM. Saying 'why doing that? there are already a lot' is kind of a stupid answer in open source world. Open source world has a lot of everithingand people keeps creating more of those things anyway I think both options are equally good, launchig E first or launching it with basic common apps. But different users (and probabley devs too) will have different opinions and tastes. We know everybody can't be please Mom, can I have a mail client that looks like gmails conversations with my hapy meal too? regards! On Lunes Abril 18 2011 21:25:55 Jeff Hoogland escribió: *E17 needs to be released first.* +1 ~Jeff Hoogland On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 7:16 PM, Carsten Haitzler ras...@rasterman.comwrote: On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:47:30 +0200 Karl Sinn n...@budostore.de said: It would be really great to have one :) It certainly would :) but I don't see it happening anytime soon. The webkit port of efl still needs lots of work :( Is there a way to motivate all the E17 heros (programmers) to focus on this for some time? ;) HELL NO. E17 needs to be released first. unless it's someone who would never work on E17 anyway... i'm not into the idea of encouraging our devs to go work on email clients instead of the wm. -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)ras...@rasterman.com -- Benefiting from Server Virtualization: Beyond Initial Workload Consolidation -- Increasing the use of server virtualization is a top priority.Virtualization can reduce costs, simplify management, and improve application availability and disaster protection. Learn more about boosting the value of server virtualization. http://p.sf.net/sfu/vmware-sfdev2dev ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users -- -- Wido -- Benefiting from Server Virtualization: Beyond Initial Workload Consolidation -- Increasing the use of server virtualization is a top priority.Virtualization can reduce costs, simplify management, and improve application availability and disaster protection. Learn more about boosting the value of server virtualization. http://p.sf.net/sfu/vmware-sfdev2dev ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Is there a mail client written for E17?
On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 22:47:28 -0300 Wido wido...@gmail.com wrote: While I agree E17 needs to be released firstwouldn't be better launch it with a full user experience? such as E wm + mail + browser + IM, ready for use, just 'plug and play!' everybody know that are tons of email clients, web browsers , irc clients and all those things. But there are also lots of WM. Saying 'why doing that? there are already a lot' is kind of a stupid answer in open source world. Open source world has a lot of everithingand people keeps creating more of those things anyway I think both options are equally good, launchig E first or launching it with basic common apps. But different users (and probabley devs too) will have different opinions and tastes. We know everybody can't be please Well, the problem with that theory, is that each of those basic apps are actually complex things to make. Just as complex as a window manager. E17 was 10 years in the making, and getting close to a release. You are basically asking us to take another 30 years to develop those apps, and put the WM on hold while we do that. Some of us might not live that long. -- A big old stinking pile of genius that no one wants coz there are too many silver coated monkeys in the world. -- Benefiting from Server Virtualization: Beyond Initial Workload Consolidation -- Increasing the use of server virtualization is a top priority.Virtualization can reduce costs, simplify management, and improve application availability and disaster protection. Learn more about boosting the value of server virtualization. http://p.sf.net/sfu/vmware-sfdev2dev ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Is there a mail client written for E17?
On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 4:54 AM, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday 18 April 2011 19:47:30 Karl Sinn wrote: It would be really great to have one :) It certainly would :) but I don't see it happening anytime soon. The webkit port of efl still needs lots of work :( Is there a way to motivate all the E17 heros (programmers) to focus on this for some time? ;) There's already a relatively large number of mail clients out there to suit different requirements of functionality and taste. Why is an e17 client necessary/desired? Is it wise for devs to divert scarce time to develop a 'me too' application, or is there some overwhelming innovation in mail client functionality and features that is desperate to come out? Of course devs will do what they see fit, but I am questioning the rational for yet another mail client application, when time and effort can be thin on the ground. -- Regards, Mick I second this. It makes no sense to make yet another email client. If there is something which can be used as a library, then it makes sense to create another user interface which is efl based. Rewriting the whole email stack, which already took several years for other projects to get to decent state today is pretty much a time wasting proposal. Same thoughts for IM, calendar apps, etc. -- Benefiting from Server Virtualization: Beyond Initial Workload Consolidation -- Increasing the use of server virtualization is a top priority.Virtualization can reduce costs, simplify management, and improve application availability and disaster protection. Learn more about boosting the value of server virtualization. http://p.sf.net/sfu/vmware-sfdev2dev ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Is there a mail client written for E17?
On Monday 18 April 2011 23:14:36 Cedric BAIL wrote: On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 10:54 PM, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote: Of course devs will do what they see fit, but I am questioning the rational for yet another mail client application, when time and effort can be thin on the ground. At least I see one reason, last time I tried evolution, kmail and thunderbird on my imap server, they took around 1GB of allocated memory. That was just insane, and they where dead slow at doing anything... Oh, and I have a computer I consider should never slow down for just displaying a text (yes, most of my mail are just text). Hmm ... I'm getting RES=53m for kmail on top and VIRT=545m, with two kio slaves running, one for kio_file and one for kio-imap. -- Regards, Mick -- Benefiting from Server Virtualization: Beyond Initial Workload Consolidation -- Increasing the use of server virtualization is a top priority.Virtualization can reduce costs, simplify management, and improve application availability and disaster protection. Learn more about boosting the value of server virtualization. http://p.sf.net/sfu/vmware-sfdev2dev___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
