Re: [e-users] www.enlightenment.org

2005-12-20 Thread The Rasterman
On Mon, 19 Dec 2005 16:18:02 -0500 Geoffrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:

 Morten Nilsen wrote:
  Mitch Gorman wrote:
  
  Michael Jennings wrote:
 
  This info would be great...except it's not 1999 any more.
 
 
  Does this mean we can't party anymore?
  
  
  we can still party, just not like it's 1999
  
  far as I could tell from googling around, mandrake last left cepstral 
  and joined something called digital enviroments, inc. which is pretty 
  much a dead end as far google is concerned.. I found these;
  http://www.digenv.com/
  http://livingnet.net/
  which seemed related, but they aren't very useful as far as content goes :P
 
 Did his involvement in E drop off in the same way???

it dropped off after the relase of 0.16.5 or so. ie - many years ago.

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Re: [e-users] www.enlightenment.org

2005-12-20 Thread The Rasterman
On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 21:47:43 -0800 Andrew Grimberg [EMAIL PROTECTED]
babbled:

 On Mon, 2005-12-19 at 12:41 +0800, Wouter van Marle wrote:
  On Mon, 2005-12-19 at 12:24 +0900, Carsten Haitzler wrote:
   beyond pulling stings/favors or hiring a private
   detective to find mandrake - we can do nothing but wait.
  
  Not wanting to invade someones privacy... but there are quite some
  people around here that may want to help.
  
  Where (town/country) does mandrake live? Maybe someone lives close and
  can go have a look at his home address? That might be a way to find out
  what happened. Besides getting enlightenment.org back on, I think there
  are many people in the e devel team that are wondering what's happened.
 
 Couldn't tell you, his whois information is bogus... interestingly
 enough the whois records for enlightenment.org have changed since I
 looked earlier today.

indeed it has. interesting. it's still unavailable to us though :(

 We appear to regained the domain thanks to??? All I see is an
 organization called Name Recovery now.

no we haven't.:/

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Re: [e-users] www.enlightenment.org

2005-12-19 Thread Geoffrey

Paul Stejskal wrote:

Oh, I'm lost then.  I was referring to the distro.  I guess someone
changed it.


Mandrake the Linux Distro is now Mandriva. http://www.mandriva.com/

Mandrake the person (developer) apparently has disappeared into the ether.

Two different entities (a distro and a person).

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Re: [e-users] www.enlightenment.org

2005-12-19 Thread Michael Jennings
On Monday, 19 December 2005, at 09:27:48 (+0100),
Riemer Palstra wrote:

 http://www.dirac.org/hackers/
 
 Mandrake, who sometimes goes by Geoff Harrison, is originally from
 Atlanta, Georgia. He moved to San Jose, California after his company,
 Enlightened Solutions, got bought by VA Linux Systems, and was a senior
 software engineer for them. Mandrake lives with his cat Cameron and
 girlfriend, Tammy. His hobbies include IRC, table tennis, tinkering with
 Linux, Quake and 6-string/bass guitar. Mandrake is working on part of
 XFree86 called xinerama, which is an extension to use multiple monitors
 with one X server. He is best known for co-authoring the best window
 manager ever written, Enlightenment.

This info would be great...except it's not 1999 any more.

Michael

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Re: [e-users] www.enlightenment.org

2005-12-19 Thread Mitch Gorman




Michael Jennings wrote:

  
  
  Re: [e-users] www.enlightenment.org

  This info would be great...except it's not 1999 any
more.
  


 Does this mean we can't party anymore?






Re: [e-users] www.enlightenment.org

2005-12-19 Thread Morten Nilsen

Mitch Gorman wrote:

Michael Jennings wrote:

This info would be great...except it's not 1999 any more.


Does this mean we can't party anymore?


we can still party, just not like it's 1999

far as I could tell from googling around, mandrake last left cepstral 
and joined something called digital enviroments, inc. which is pretty 
much a dead end as far google is concerned.. I found these;

http://www.digenv.com/
http://livingnet.net/
which seemed related, but they aren't very useful as far as content goes :P

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Re: [e-users] www.enlightenment.org

2005-12-19 Thread Justin

Morten Nilsen wrote:


Mitch Gorman wrote:


Michael Jennings wrote:


This info would be great...except it's not 1999 any more.



Does this mean we can't party anymore?



we can still party, just not like it's 1999

far as I could tell from googling around, mandrake last left cepstral 
and joined something called digital enviroments, inc. which is 
pretty much a dead end as far google is concerned.. I found these;

http://www.digenv.com/
http://livingnet.net/
which seemed related, but they aren't very useful as far as content 
goes :P



I found a phone number for a Tammy Franco in Atlanta GA is Geoff's wife?

Justin


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Re: [e-users] www.enlightenment.org

2005-12-19 Thread Geoffrey

Morten Nilsen wrote:

Mitch Gorman wrote:


Michael Jennings wrote:


This info would be great...except it's not 1999 any more.



Does this mean we can't party anymore?



we can still party, just not like it's 1999

far as I could tell from googling around, mandrake last left cepstral 
and joined something called digital enviroments, inc. which is pretty 
much a dead end as far google is concerned.. I found these;

http://www.digenv.com/
http://livingnet.net/
which seemed related, but they aren't very useful as far as content goes :P


Did his involvement in E drop off in the same way???

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Re: [e-users] www.enlightenment.org

2005-12-19 Thread Riemer Palstra
On Mon, Dec 19, 2005 at 11:41:45AM -0500, Michael Jennings wrote:
 This info would be great...except it's not 1999 any more.

Hm, I must have been thrown off by the 'Updated' timestamp then...

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Re: [e-users] www.enlightenment.org

2005-12-18 Thread Paul Stejskal
Ok raster, I'm lost as to the reference to Mandrake.  Of course it IS
2:20 AM hehe.
Paul

On Sun, 2005-12-18 at 13:19 +0900, Carsten Haitzler wrote:
 On Sat, 17 Dec 2005 22:09:30 -0500 David Coulson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 babbled:
 
  
  
  Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
  
   it will come back.. if and when we can get it back.
  
  What is limiting the availability of the site? Are resources required?
 
 if you have someone on the inside of icann who can do us favors... :) 
 basically
 the domain is locked until it comes out of grace period. there is nothng we 
 can
 do short of 1. circumventing the rules by pulling strings or 2. becoming
 mandrake, 3. waiting.
 



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Re: [e-users] www.enlightenment.org

2005-12-18 Thread Andrew Grimberg
On Sun, 2005-12-18 at 02:26 -0600, Paul Stejskal wrote:
 Ok raster, I'm lost as to the reference to Mandrake.  Of course it IS
 2:20 AM hehe.
 Paul

Mandrake owns the domain name according to whois, ergo you would have to
be mandrake to update or sell the domain.

Raster, why don't you contact mandrake and see if he'll give / sell you
rights to the domain?  I'm sure folks would be willing to chip in if
needed (at least I would).

-Andy-


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Re: [e-users] www.enlightenment.org

2005-12-18 Thread Justin

Andrew Grimberg wrote:


On Sun, 2005-12-18 at 02:26 -0600, Paul Stejskal wrote:
 


Ok raster, I'm lost as to the reference to Mandrake.  Of course it IS
2:20 AM hehe.
Paul
   



Mandrake owns the domain name according to whois, ergo you would have to
be mandrake to update or sell the domain.

Raster, why don't you contact mandrake and see if he'll give / sell you
rights to the domain?  I'm sure folks would be willing to chip in if
needed (at least I would).

-Andy-


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I would!

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Re: [e-users] www.enlightenment.org

2005-12-18 Thread Michael Jennings
On Sunday, 18 December 2005, at 07:02:07 (-0800),
Andrew Grimberg wrote:

 Raster, why don't you contact mandrake

Just out of curiosity, what caused you to conclude that we hadn't at
least tried to do just that?

Michael

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Re: [e-users] www.enlightenment.org

2005-12-18 Thread Dènis Riedijk
On 12/18/05, Michael Jennings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sunday, 18 December 2005, at 07:02:07 (-0800),Andrew Grimberg wrote: Raster, why don't you contact mandrakeJust out of curiosity, what caused you to conclude that we hadn't atleast tried to do just that?
So Mandrake is lost in cyberspace? He didn't update his webpage for a long time before it went 404, that's for sure.


Re: [e-users] www.enlightenment.org

2005-12-18 Thread Geoffrey
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
 On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 00:44:11 +0900 Jerome Pinot [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
 
 
Hi,
It's quite a long time now that http://www.enlightenment.org is deadIt will
come back later or do you have other plan (like superseding byget-e.org) ?
Thanks
 
 
 it will come back.. if and when we can get it back.

Hardware problems?  Any way E users can help?

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Re: [e-users] www.enlightenment.org

2005-12-18 Thread Geoffrey

Andrew Grimberg wrote:

On Sun, 2005-12-18 at 02:26 -0600, Paul Stejskal wrote:


Ok raster, I'm lost as to the reference to Mandrake.  Of course it IS
2:20 AM hehe.
Paul



Mandrake owns the domain name according to whois, ergo you would have to
be mandrake to update or sell the domain.


So, maybe I'm dragging this thread too far off subject, but, I assume 
Mandrake is no longer involved with the E development?  Why?


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Re: [e-users] www.enlightenment.org

2005-12-18 Thread Andrew Grimberg
On Sun, 2005-12-18 at 13:56 -0500, Michael Jennings wrote:
 On Sunday, 18 December 2005, at 07:02:07 (-0800),
 Andrew Grimberg wrote:
 
  Raster, why don't you contact mandrake
 
 Just out of curiosity, what caused you to conclude that we hadn't at
 least tried to do just that?

My apologies, I hadn't realized that he had gone MIA, I just knew that
he hadn't contributed in quite a long time(tm).

-Andy-


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Re: [e-users] www.enlightenment.org

2005-12-18 Thread Paul Stejskal
Mandrake is now Mandriva FYI.
Paul
On Sun, 2005-12-18 at 13:40 -0800, Andrew Grimberg wrote:
 On Sun, 2005-12-18 at 13:56 -0500, Michael Jennings wrote:
  On Sunday, 18 December 2005, at 07:02:07 (-0800),
  Andrew Grimberg wrote:
  
   Raster, why don't you contact mandrake
  
  Just out of curiosity, what caused you to conclude that we hadn't at
  least tried to do just that?
 
 My apologies, I hadn't realized that he had gone MIA, I just knew that
 he hadn't contributed in quite a long time(tm).
 
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Re: [e-users] www.enlightenment.org

2005-12-18 Thread David Seikel
On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 16:44:31 -0600 Paul Stejskal
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Mandrake is now Mandriva FYI.

The person or the distro?  I didn't think there was any relationship
between the two.


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Re: [e-users] www.enlightenment.org

2005-12-18 Thread Paul Stejskal
Oh, I'm lost then.  I was referring to the distro.  I guess someone
changed it.
Paul
On Mon, 2005-12-19 at 08:52 +1000, David Seikel wrote:
 On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 16:44:31 -0600 Paul Stejskal
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Mandrake is now Mandriva FYI.
 
 The person or the distro?  I didn't think there was any relationship
 between the two.



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Re: [e-users] www.enlightenment.org

2005-12-18 Thread Andrew Grimberg
On Sun, 2005-12-18 at 18:05 -0600, Paul Stejskal wrote:
 Oh, I'm lost then.  I was referring to the distro.  I guess someone
 changed it.
 Paul
 On Mon, 2005-12-19 at 08:52 +1000, David Seikel wrote:
  On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 16:44:31 -0600 Paul Stejskal
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   Mandrake is now Mandriva FYI.
  
  The person or the distro?  I didn't think there was any relationship
  between the two.

Hehe, I do believe we've been talking about the person the entire time.
To the best of my knowledge (limited at best) mandrake (the person)
didn't have anything to do with Mandrake (the distro now Mandriva).

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Re: [e-users] www.enlightenment.org

2005-12-18 Thread The Rasterman
On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 07:02:07 -0800 Andrew Grimberg [EMAIL PROTECTED]
babbled:

 On Sun, 2005-12-18 at 02:26 -0600, Paul Stejskal wrote:
  Ok raster, I'm lost as to the reference to Mandrake.  Of course it IS
  2:20 AM hehe.
  Paul
 
 Mandrake owns the domain name according to whois, ergo you would have to
 be mandrake to update or sell the domain.
 
 Raster, why don't you contact mandrake and see if he'll give / sell you
 rights to the domain?  I'm sure folks would be willing to chip in if
 needed (at least I would).

we have done that. well tried. nobody knows where he is. how to contact him by
phone, fax, email, snail-mail or any other means. short of hiring private
detectives as as david mentions, we have done everything we can. mandrake has
nothing to do with the distribution. he used that nickname long before mandrake
(the distro) existed. he owns mandrake.net - which is dead as such (no live
server answering - sure something is there but its likely just a recycled
machine. his mailserver is dead - it has been for a long time now, website,
location in the real world is unknown by anyone i know who knows/has known him).

the domain has expired - it expired nov 8 2005. only he can renew it as he is
the previous owner and he never granted any admin rights to anyone else (ie put
them on the contact list). the domain is in grace period which means that its
practically dead, just being held in case the previous owner wants it back at a
extra fee. it will remain so until grace period expires then the domain will be
deleted officially and then it will be open for taking again.

unless someone has pull with icann or major domain registries (tucows is the
sposoring registrar) and can basically get it pulled form grace perido and
allow us to re-register it despite the list of stupid rules they have (which
make no sense as the contact info for the domain is bogus - email included as
it simply bounces with no MX). beyond pulling stings/favors or hiring a private
detective to find mandrake - we can do nothing but wait.

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Re: [e-users] www.enlightenment.org

2005-12-18 Thread Wouter van Marle
On Mon, 2005-12-19 at 12:24 +0900, Carsten Haitzler wrote:
 beyond pulling stings/favors or hiring a private
 detective to find mandrake - we can do nothing but wait.

Not wanting to invade someones privacy... but there are quite some
people around here that may want to help.

Where (town/country) does mandrake live? Maybe someone lives close and
can go have a look at his home address? That might be a way to find out
what happened. Besides getting enlightenment.org back on, I think there
are many people in the e devel team that are wondering what's happened.

Wouter.



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Re: [e-users] www.enlightenment.org

2005-12-18 Thread Andrew Grimberg
On Mon, 2005-12-19 at 12:41 +0800, Wouter van Marle wrote:
 On Mon, 2005-12-19 at 12:24 +0900, Carsten Haitzler wrote:
  beyond pulling stings/favors or hiring a private
  detective to find mandrake - we can do nothing but wait.
 
 Not wanting to invade someones privacy... but there are quite some
 people around here that may want to help.
 
 Where (town/country) does mandrake live? Maybe someone lives close and
 can go have a look at his home address? That might be a way to find out
 what happened. Besides getting enlightenment.org back on, I think there
 are many people in the e devel team that are wondering what's happened.

Couldn't tell you, his whois information is bogus... interestingly
enough the whois records for enlightenment.org have changed since I
looked earlier today.

We appear to regained the domain thanks to??? All I see is an
organization called Name Recovery now.

-Andy-


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Re: [e-users] www.enlightenment.org

2005-12-18 Thread Russell Shaw

Dènis Riedijk wrote:



On 12/19/05, *Wouter van Marle* [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


On Mon, 2005-12-19 at 12:24 +0900, Carsten Haitzler wrote:
  beyond pulling stings/favors or hiring a private
  detective to find mandrake - we can do nothing but wait.

Not wanting to invade someones privacy... but there are quite some
people around here that may want to help.

Where (town/country) does mandrake live? Maybe someone lives close and
can go have a look at his home address? That might be a way to find out
what happened. Besides getting enlightenment.org
http://enlightenment.org back on, I think there
are many people in the e devel team that are wondering what's happened.


Well, where he lived was to be found on his website... The most I can 
now find is 
http://www.google.com/search?hl=enq=tammy+mandrakebtnG=Google+Search 
http://www.google.com/search?hl=enq=tammy+mandrakebtnG=Google+Search


But I am sure that Rasterco have done way more digging than this. I for 
one am sure wondering what has happened to him. Hope he is ok.


Dènis


You might find the old website in here:

  http://www.archive.org/
  http://web.archive.org/collections/web/advanced.html


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[e-users] www.enlightenment.org

2005-12-17 Thread Jerome Pinot
Hi,

It's quite a long time now that http://www.enlightenment.org is dead
It will come back later or do you have other plan (like superseding by
get-e.org) ?

Thanks

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Re: [e-users] www.enlightenment.org

2005-12-17 Thread Morten Nilsen

Jerome Pinot wrote:

It's quite a long time now that http://www.enlightenment.org is dead


http://enligthenment.sf.net/ is still up

Cheers,
--
Morten
:wq


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Re: [e-users] www.enlightenment.org

2005-12-17 Thread Andreas Volz
Am Sat, 17 Dec 2005 16:52:55 +0100 schrieb Morten Nilsen:

 Jerome Pinot wrote:
  It's quite a long time now that http://www.enlightenment.org is dead
 
 http://enligthenment.sf.net/ is still up

An error has been encountered in accessing this page.

1. Server: enligthenment.sourceforge.net
2. URL path: /
3. Error notes: File does not
exist: /home/groups/e/en/enligthenment/htdocs/ 4. Error type: 404
5. Request method: GET
6. Request query string:
7. Time: 2005-12-17 08:00:37 PST (1134835237)

Reporting this problem: The problem you have encountered is with a
project web site hosted by SourceForge.net. This issue should be
reported to the SourceForge.net-hosted project (not to SourceForge.net).

If this is a severe or recurring/persistent problem, please do one of
the following, and provide the error text (numbered 1 through 7, above):

   1. Contact the project via their designated support resources.
   2. Contact the project administrators of this project via email (see
the upper right-hand corner of the Project Summary page for their
usernames) at [EMAIL PROTECTED]

If you are a member of the project that maintains this web content,
please refer to the 

:-(

regards
Andreas


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Re: [e-users] www.enlightenment.org

2005-12-17 Thread Thomas Kuther
On Sat, 17 Dec 2005 17:01:24 +0100
Andreas Volz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Am Sat, 17 Dec 2005 16:52:55 +0100 schrieb Morten Nilsen:
 
  Jerome Pinot wrote:
   It's quite a long time now that http://www.enlightenment.org is
   dead
  
  http://enligthenment.sf.net/ is still up
 
 An error has been encountered in accessing this page.
 blabla...

spell it right! http://enlightenment.sf.net



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Re: [e-users] www.enlightenment.org

2005-12-17 Thread Tom
[17/12/2005 -- 17:01u] Andreas Volz:

  http://enligthenment.sf.net/ is still up
 
 An error has been encountered in accessing this page.
 
 1. Server: enligthenment.sourceforge.net

I'm probably not the first to reply by now, but read that again. :)

Cheers,
Tom

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 ---(Franz Kafka, Vor dem Gesetz)
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Re: [e-users] www.enlightenment.org

2005-12-17 Thread David Coulson


Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:

 it will come back.. if and when we can get it back.

What is limiting the availability of the site? Are resources required?

David



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Re: [e-users] www.enlightenment.org

2005-12-17 Thread The Rasterman
On Sat, 17 Dec 2005 22:09:30 -0500 David Coulson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
babbled:

 
 
 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
 
  it will come back.. if and when we can get it back.
 
 What is limiting the availability of the site? Are resources required?

if you have someone on the inside of icann who can do us favors... :) basically
the domain is locked until it comes out of grace period. there is nothng we can
do short of 1. circumventing the rules by pulling strings or 2. becoming
mandrake, 3. waiting.

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The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED]
裸好多
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