Re: [Mozilla Enterprise] [From: External] Re: Firefox and OneDrive

2021-03-15 Thread Klaus Hartnegg

> On 15. Mar 2021, at 18:26, Paul Kosinski via Enterprise 
>  wrote:
> 
> I do not store my browser bookmarks or configuration on *any* cloud server, 
> as I don't think that any give me the privacy (or security) that I want. And 
> I'm sure that some enterprises (given that it's called ESR, after all) would 
> have similar concerns.

The builtin sync feature probably uses encryption, but I do not know if that 
encryption is any good (I remember having read that the password-encryption 
provided by the master password is not good).

An alternative suggestion to the original poster would be to store the whole 
profile on the (mapped) cloud drive, but then it is of course unencrypted. 
Maybe the software boxcryptor could help with that, but I do not know if that 
is compatible with Mozilla profiles.
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Re: [Mozilla Enterprise] [From: External] Re: Firefox and OneDrive

2021-03-15 Thread Paul Kosinski via Enterprise
I do not store my browser bookmarks or configuration on *any* cloud server, as 
I don't think that any give me the privacy (or security) that I want. And I'm 
sure that some enterprises (given that it's called ESR, after all) would have 
similar concerns.

So, if all these services were built in (in the name of convenience, of course) 
I would want to remove them as part of hardening my browser installation. 

P.S. I remove *all* of the new NoScript's "helpful" Trusted Javascript domains, 
as I use NoScript for privacy as well as security. (And I probably would remove 
Mozilla's "save your bookmarks with us" feature if XUL hadn't been killed off).


On Mon, 15 Mar 2021 16:31:30 + (GMT)
Andrew C Aitchison  wrote:

> On Fri, 12 Mar 2021, Verstraete, John wrote:
> 
> > I appreciate your thoughts on the subject but I tend to disagree,
> > there are other applications that support more than one service and
> > giving the capability to choose from several of the most popular
> > services such as OneDrive, NextCloud and Google Cloud to name a few
> > and not be limited to only one product. In certain situations such
> > as mine it would make it easier for users and IT staff to find the
> > data that is needed when moving from computer to computer all in one
> > place. All I am asking is it possible to direct Firefox data to
> > OneDrive and have it available no matter the computer the user is
> > logged onto.  
> 
> Even if support for OneDrive, iCloud or whatever were built in to Firefox
> *each computer* would have to know your account details on that cloud.
> Given that, I don't think it is any harder to install the appropriate
> addon or extension *for all users* at the same time.
> 
> This does assume that Firefox makes it simple to install the addon or
> extension *for all users*. If not, that is where the work should be put.
> 
> Whether the cloud support is native to Firefox or an addon/extension
> the boot-strap problem remains; how does Firefox know which cloud *account*
> to use and importantly, how does it authenticate, in order to read the user
> data ...
> 
> Edge can cheat, since it would like to assume your Windows login and
> your OneDrive are connected to the same account. Similarly Google Chrome 
> tries to link your browser login to your gmail account.
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Enterprise  On Behalf Of Andrew C 
> > Aitchison
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2021 12:16 PM
> > To: enterprise@mozilla.org
> > Subject: [From: External] Re: [Mozilla Enterprise] Firefox and OneDrive
> >
> > CAUTION: This email originated from outside the organization. Do not click 
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> > content is safe.
> >
> > On Wed, 10 Mar 2021, Verstraete, John wrote:
> >  
> >> I am looking for a way to sync me Firefox profile with OneDrive, I
> >> know that there is a sync service inside Firefox and can be used in
> >> the same manner as OneDrive but it is company policy we use OneDrive
> >> for these purposes. One of the largest reasons why we want to use this
> >> feature is of course have users retrieve their settings no matter
> >> which pc they logon to but also during pc refreshes it allows for a
> >> faster turnaround when all user data is stored into one cloud service.
> >>
> >> I have read articles on add-ons and extensions that can be installed
> >> but this doesnâ??t seem like a good fit, it would be nice to be able
> >> to natively configure Firefox to sync profiles with OneDrive. Has
> >> anyone done this or is it possible, if it is not possible is it in the
> >> works to make it possible?  
> >
> > Given the number of cloud services, until and unless there is a standard 
> > interface (I like Tim BL's idea of user's having control of who can access 
> > which bits of data, implemented in Solid Pods*), I would prefer that 
> > Firefox does not attempt to support all of them natively.
> >
> > Nor should it show favouritism, so it should support *none* of them 
> > natively (OK I'll accept the Mozilla/Firefox one); addons/extensions *are* 
> > the way to go.
> >
> > * https://solidproject.org/
> > Solid is a specification that lets people store their data securely in 
> > decentralized data stores called Pods.  
> 
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Re: [Mozilla Enterprise] [From: External] Re: Firefox and OneDrive

2021-03-15 Thread Andrew C Aitchison

On Fri, 12 Mar 2021, Verstraete, John wrote:


I appreciate your thoughts on the subject but I tend to disagree,
there are other applications that support more than one service and
giving the capability to choose from several of the most popular
services such as OneDrive, NextCloud and Google Cloud to name a few
and not be limited to only one product. In certain situations such
as mine it would make it easier for users and IT staff to find the
data that is needed when moving from computer to computer all in one
place. All I am asking is it possible to direct Firefox data to
OneDrive and have it available no matter the computer the user is
logged onto.


Even if support for OneDrive, iCloud or whatever were built in to Firefox
*each computer* would have to know your account details on that cloud.
Given that, I don't think it is any harder to install the appropriate
addon or extension *for all users* at the same time.

This does assume that Firefox makes it simple to install the addon or
extension *for all users*. If not, that is where the work should be put.

Whether the cloud support is native to Firefox or an addon/extension
the boot-strap problem remains; how does Firefox know which cloud *account*
to use and importantly, how does it authenticate, in order to read the user
data ...

Edge can cheat, since it would like to assume your Windows login and
your OneDrive are connected to the same account. Similarly Google Chrome 
tries to link your browser login to your gmail account.



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From: Enterprise  On Behalf Of Andrew C 
Aitchison
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2021 12:16 PM
To: enterprise@mozilla.org
Subject: [From: External] Re: [Mozilla Enterprise] Firefox and OneDrive

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On Wed, 10 Mar 2021, Verstraete, John wrote:


I am looking for a way to sync me Firefox profile with OneDrive, I
know that there is a sync service inside Firefox and can be used in
the same manner as OneDrive but it is company policy we use OneDrive
for these purposes. One of the largest reasons why we want to use this
feature is of course have users retrieve their settings no matter
which pc they logon to but also during pc refreshes it allows for a
faster turnaround when all user data is stored into one cloud service.

I have read articles on add-ons and extensions that can be installed
but this doesnâ??t seem like a good fit, it would be nice to be able
to natively configure Firefox to sync profiles with OneDrive. Has
anyone done this or is it possible, if it is not possible is it in the
works to make it possible?


Given the number of cloud services, until and unless there is a standard 
interface (I like Tim BL's idea of user's having control of who can access 
which bits of data, implemented in Solid Pods*), I would prefer that Firefox 
does not attempt to support all of them natively.

Nor should it show favouritism, so it should support *none* of them natively 
(OK I'll accept the Mozilla/Firefox one); addons/extensions *are* the way to go.

* https://solidproject.org/
Solid is a specification that lets people store their data securely in 
decentralized data stores called Pods.


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Re: [Mozilla Enterprise] [From: External] Re: Firefox and OneDrive

2021-03-15 Thread Verstraete, John
I appreciate your thoughts on the subject but I tend to disagree, there are 
other applications that support more than one service and giving the capability 
to choose from several of the most popular services such as OneDrive, NextCloud 
and Google Cloud to name a few and not be limited to only one product. In 
certain situations such as mine it would make it easier for users and IT staff 
to find the data that is needed when moving from computer to computer all in 
one place. All I am asking is it possible to direct Firefox data to OneDrive 
and have it available no matter the computer the user is logged onto. 

-Original Message-
From: Enterprise  On Behalf Of Andrew C 
Aitchison
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2021 12:16 PM
To: enterprise@mozilla.org
Subject: [From: External] Re: [Mozilla Enterprise] Firefox and OneDrive

CAUTION: This email originated from outside the organization. Do not click 
links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content 
is safe.

On Wed, 10 Mar 2021, Verstraete, John wrote:

> I am looking for a way to sync me Firefox profile with OneDrive, I 
> know that there is a sync service inside Firefox and can be used in 
> the same manner as OneDrive but it is company policy we use OneDrive 
> for these purposes. One of the largest reasons why we want to use this 
> feature is of course have users retrieve their settings no matter 
> which pc they logon to but also during pc refreshes it allows for a 
> faster turnaround when all user data is stored into one cloud service.
>
> I have read articles on add-ons and extensions that can be installed 
> but this doesnâ??t seem like a good fit, it would be nice to be able 
> to natively configure Firefox to sync profiles with OneDrive. Has 
> anyone done this or is it possible, if it is not possible is it in the 
> works to make it possible?

Given the number of cloud services, until and unless there is a standard 
interface (I like Tim BL's idea of user's having control of who can access 
which bits of data, implemented in Solid Pods*), I would prefer that Firefox 
does not attempt to support all of them natively.

Nor should it show favouritism, so it should support *none* of them natively 
(OK I'll accept the Mozilla/Firefox one); addons/extensions *are* the way to go.

* https://solidproject.org/
Solid is a specification that lets people store their data securely in 
decentralized data stores called Pods.

-- 
Andrew C. Aitchison Kendal, UK
and...@aitchison.me.uk
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