Re: [Mozilla Enterprise] Policy data format for Bookmarks in Firefox

[Mike Kaply]

On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 9:27 AM, James Pearson 
wrote:

> Mike Kaply wrote:
>
> >
> > It will probably still exist, but it will be sandboxed back to the
> original
> > API so it can be used as intended.
>
> Not sure what you mean by 'sandboxed back to the original API' ... What
> was the original API? - and does that mean there will be things that we
> won't be able to do with Autoconfig files?
>

Yes, but we might keep the open API on ESR. We've discovered that
AutoConfig is started to get used by bad actors so we're looking at
mitigation.

The original Autoconfig API was mainly about setting/locking prefs. That
would be the original API.

There's a strong possibility that we might only allow that API on the main
line (rapid release).

My goal would be that anything folks need to do with Autoconfig, we would
cover in policy manager, but if there was any obscure prefs that needed to
be set, Autoconfig could still be used.

Mike
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Re: [Mozilla Enterprise] Policy data format for Bookmarks in Firefox

[James Pearson]

Mike Kaply wrote:
>
>>> We're trying to get everything, but there might be some little used
>>> things that don't make it in the first pass.
>> 
>> Any ideas at this point of the things that won't make the first pass?
> 
> Not yet. We have a general concept of an MVP, but once we have a beta if 
> there are
> things that are not there that folks need, we can still get them in.
> 
> Also we have permission to do policy work on the ESR, so it won't be
> "no policy changes until the next ESR"

That is good to know ...

>> For example, we have a couple of third party extensions we install for
>> all users - and we set relevant prefs for these extensions via the
>> Autoconfig ...
>>
>> So I would guess that you would probably have to support arbitrary
>> preferences via Policies ?
> 
> That would be an example of why to keep Autoconfig :)
> 
> But that won't work post 57 anyway because WebExtensions can't read 
> preferences...
> 
> If an extension needs a way to read external preferences, it will have to use
> something like storage.managed. There's really no way to preset preferences
> for an extension.

OK - I hadn't appreciated that WebExtensions can't read preferences - 
which is something we will have to think about ..

>> That said, I for one, would hope (actually, require) that Autoconfig
>> will still exist - as I use it for more than just setting prefs and
>> using CCK2
> 
> It will probably still exist, but it will be sandboxed back to the original
> API so it can be used as intended.

Not sure what you mean by 'sandboxed back to the original API' ... What 
was the original API? - and does that mean there will be things that we 
won't be able to do with Autoconfig files?

Thanks

James Pearson
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Re: [Mozilla Enterprise] Policy data format for Bookmarks in Firefox

[James Pearson]

Kaply Consulting wrote:>
>> From what you've indicated previously, I believe Enterprise
>> Policies will effectively replace what CCK2 current does ? - if so,
>> is there anything currently supported by CCK2 that won't be by
>> supported by Policies ?
> 
> We're trying to get everything, but there might be some little used
> things that don't make it in the first pass.

Any ideas at this point of the things that won't make the first pass?

>> Does that mean you will allow setting arbitrary preferences via
>> the configuration.json file?
>> 
>> Or, will arbitrary preferences still have to be set via the
>> autoconfig cfg file?
> 
> Arbitrary preferences would still need to be set via Autoconfig.
> 
> We'd like to move away from Autoconfig long term, though, so I'd love
> to know what specific preferences folks set outside of CCK2 that are
> needed.
> 
> We can add policies where necessary.

I would guess it would be hard to say - there are thousands of possible 
preferences - and I doubt you would want to create policies for every 
preference that a admin might want to have set :-)

For example, we have a couple of third party extensions we install for 
all users - and we set relevant prefs for these extensions via the 
Autoconfig ...

So I would guess that you would probably have to support arbitrary 
preferences via Policies ?

That said, I for one, would hope (actually, require) that Autoconfig 
will still exist - as I use it for more than just setting prefs and 
using CCK2

Thanks

James Pearson
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Re: [Mozilla Enterprise] Policy data format for Bookmarks in Firefox

[Kaply Consulting]

On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 10:22 AM, James Pearson 
wrote:

> Kaply Consulting wrote:
> >
> > If you believe we are missing any key policies, please open bugs.
>
>  From what you've indicated previously, I believe Enterprise Policies
> will effectively replace what CCK2 current does ? - if so, is there
> anything currently supported by CCK2 that won't be by supported by
> Policies ?
>

We're trying to get everything, but there might be some little used things
that don't make it in the first pass.



>
> > Also we are not planning to allow setting arbitrary preferences via
> > GPO at this time. Anything you think you should be able to set, let
> > us know and we'll evaluate creating a policy.
>
> Does that mean you will allow setting arbitrary preferences via the
> configuration.json file?
>
> Or, will arbitrary preferences still have to be set via the autoconfig
> cfg file?
>

Arbitrary preferences would still need to be set via Autoconfig.

We'd like to move away from Autoconfig long term, though, so I'd love to
know what specific preferences folks set outside of CCK2 that are needed.

We can add policies where necessary.

Mike


>
> Thanks
>
> James Pearson
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Re: [Mozilla Enterprise] Policy data format for Bookmarks in Firefox

[James Pearson]

Kaply Consulting wrote:
> 
> If you believe we are missing any key policies, please open bugs.

 From what you've indicated previously, I believe Enterprise Policies 
will effectively replace what CCK2 current does ? - if so, is there 
anything currently supported by CCK2 that won't be by supported by 
Policies ?

> Also we are not planning to allow setting arbitrary preferences via
> GPO at this time. Anything you think you should be able to set, let
> us know and we'll evaluate creating a policy.

Does that mean you will allow setting arbitrary preferences via the 
configuration.json file?

Or, will arbitrary preferences still have to be set via the autoconfig 
cfg file?

Thanks

James Pearson
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Re: [Mozilla Enterprise] Policy data format for Bookmarks in Firefox

[James Pearson]

Kaply Consulting wrote:
> 
> You can see the policies we've implemented so far here:
> 
> https://searchfox.org/mozilla-central/source/browser/components/enterprisepolicies/Policies.jsm
> 
> You can see the policies we're implementing for 60 by looking at the 
> dependent bugs here:
> 
> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1428920

Thanks - using a search based on Component = 'Enterprise Policies', I get:

  https://mzl.la/2Cg0VIj

Which sort of gives a list of all the policies ...

James Pearson
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Re: [Mozilla Enterprise] Policy data format for Bookmarks in Firefox

[Kaply Consulting]

You can see the policies we've implemented so far here:

https://searchfox.org/mozilla-central/source/browser/components/enterprisepolicies/Policies.jsm

You can see the policies we're implementing for 60 by looking at the
dependent bugs here:

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1428920

We're also working on messaging that will come with Firefox 60 beta.

If you believe we are missing any key policies, please open bugs.

Also we are not planning to allow setting arbitrary preferences via GPO at
this time. Anything you think you should be able to set, let us know and
we'll evaluate creating a policy.

Mike


On Feb 23, 2018 5:16 AM, "James Pearson"  wrote:

> Oliver Gutierrez wrote:
> >
> > We are very excited about the enterprise policies support you are
> > developing, and our idea is to use that feature for deploying
> > configuration and bookmarks policies with our desktop profiles, but
> > until this feature gets finished, we will do our best to support the
> > settings deployment using pref files and we are working on getting
> > bookmarks from an existing profile to later deploy them with a
> > desktop profile.
> >
> > The things we wanted to ask are mainly about how deployed bookmarks
> > will be shown and the format for deploying the bookmarks itself.
> >
> > Given the example here:
> >
> > https://wiki.mozilla.org/Firefox/EnterprisePolicies#Example_JSON_file
> >
> >  * Will you support deploying bookmarks in different locations (the
> > bookmarks bar and in the main bookmarks for example)?
>
> The following bug 'Policy: Allow creation of bookmarks in the Bookmarks
> toolbar, Menu, or a folder inside them' seems to suggest Mozilla will:
>
>   https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1428924
>
> On a related note, it would be nice to get an update from Mozilla on
> what Policies we can expect to be included with ESR 60 (which is is due
> in about 10 weeks time) - the Wiki page at
>  only lists
> 'possibilities' ...
>
> Thanks
>
> James Pearson
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Re: [Mozilla Enterprise] Policy data format for Bookmarks in Firefox

[James Pearson]

Oliver Gutierrez wrote:
> 
> We are very excited about the enterprise policies support you are
> developing, and our idea is to use that feature for deploying
> configuration and bookmarks policies with our desktop profiles, but
> until this feature gets finished, we will do our best to support the
> settings deployment using pref files and we are working on getting
> bookmarks from an existing profile to later deploy them with a
> desktop profile.
> 
> The things we wanted to ask are mainly about how deployed bookmarks
> will be shown and the format for deploying the bookmarks itself.
> 
> Given the example here:
> 
> https://wiki.mozilla.org/Firefox/EnterprisePolicies#Example_JSON_file
>
>  * Will you support deploying bookmarks in different locations (the
> bookmarks bar and in the main bookmarks for example)?

The following bug 'Policy: Allow creation of bookmarks in the Bookmarks 
toolbar, Menu, or a folder inside them' seems to suggest Mozilla will:

  https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1428924

On a related note, it would be nice to get an update from Mozilla on 
what Policies we can expect to be included with ESR 60 (which is is due 
in about 10 weeks time) - the Wiki page at 
 only lists 
'possibilities' ...

Thanks

James Pearson
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