Re: Re: Proposal: Phase-Invariant Einno Soliton Templates

[Abdul Shabazz]

Well i'm sorry you all feel that way. I'll close my account tonight, then.

...Good night,all.
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Re: Re: Proposal: Phase-Invariant Einno Soliton Templates

[T.J. Crowder]

On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 12:44 AM, Michael Luder-Rosefield <
rosyatran...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I've been suspecting along similar lines, but was reticent to make any
> outright accusations.

I came to that conclusion over a week ago. When the account went quiet for
a while I frankly assumed it was because a list mod had dealt with it.

On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 6:00 AM, Abdul Shabazz 
wrote:
> I am not an academic troll:

With all due respect, it's going to take something much more significant
than that to make me change my mind, and I suspect I'm not alone. It's
going to require taking Isiah's feedback in this thread very seriously,
stopping the stream of vague pseudo-suggestions, and if putting something
forward in future, stating it in very clear, practical terms in line with
previous ones (see https://esdiscuss.org/1 and
https://github.com/tc39/proposals). It's going to take accepting that if
*you're* not sure something is useful, if you can't present a compelling
use case that benefits a significant fraction of JavaScript programmers,
then spending your time and ours writing it up and posting it to the list
is actively counter-productive.

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Re: Re: Proposal: Phase-Invariant Einno Soliton Templates

[Abdul Shabazz]

I am not an academic troll: i am actually underemployed at the monent; i
enjoy the labor very much, as well as the people i work with.
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Re: Proposal: Phase-Invariant Einno Soliton Templates

[Michael Luder-Rosefield]

I've been suspecting along similar lines, but was reticent to make any
outright accusations.

On Mon, 21 May 2018, 00:41 Sanford Whiteman, <
swhitemanlistens-softw...@figureone.com> wrote:

> > I personally would prefer that these proposals are specified in terms
> > of *what's actually being proposed*
>
> I think what's actually being proposed is that we fall for a troll.
>
> Possibly an academic troll who will later ridicule its victims, viz.
> the Social Text scandal (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sokal_affair).
>
> A pity, since I love receiving this list to graze over your and
> others' intelligent and serious comments on the future of the
> language.
>
> —— Sandy
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Re: Proposal: Phase-Invariant Einno Soliton Templates

[Sanford Whiteman]

> I personally would prefer that these proposals are specified in terms
> of *what's actually being proposed*

I think what's actually being proposed is that we fall for a troll.

Possibly an academic troll who will later ridicule its victims, viz.
the Social Text scandal (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sokal_affair).

A pity, since I love receiving this list to graze over your and
others' intelligent and serious comments on the future of the
language.

—— Sandy

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Re: Proposal: Phase-Invariant Einno Soliton Templates

[Isiah Meadows]

I personally would prefer that these proposals are specified in terms
of *what's actually being proposed*, rather than in terms of some very
elaborate analogy. Symbolic analogies to other tangentially related
fields work for teaching existing concepts to intuitive people, but
not for drafting and explaining a proposal to a technical audience who
already likely at least grasps some of the concepts (and when they
don't, they could easily Google it for most things).

And this is also why I've started ignoring these emails. My knee-jerk
reaction is to just filter them to the trash, because they're
explained too abstractly and intuitively to really describe what's
going on, what's really being proposed. I can get them *somewhat*,
after spending 15 minutes disecting what is being said, and that's
just not an effective use of time.

-

Isiah Meadows
m...@isiahmeadows.com
www.isiahmeadows.com


On Sun, May 20, 2018 at 11:34 AM, Michael Luder-Rosefield
 wrote:
> At this point I fully expect Abdul to describe the Norse, Greek and Hindu
> pantheons in terms of turbulence physics and give a few pseudocode JS
> snippets indicating that they can also be used to handle REST requests.  And
> all in 3 short sentences.
>
> On Sun, 20 May 2018 at 02:49 kdex  wrote:
>>
>> To me, what you're actually seeking to discuss looks less related to
>> physics
>> and more like an extension to ECMAScript's `import` syntax.
>>
>> Would you please describe it a little more? A good conversation starter,
>> preferably without any domain-specific context (i.e. physics), would
>> entail:
>>
>> - the set of generalized (= non-domain-specific) problems it solves
>> - the desugaring you have in mind
>> - how a solution to your problem might look without introducing new syntax
>> (ideally also the reasoning why you consider new syntax to be justified)
>>
>> On Sunday, May 20, 2018 3:12:34 AM CEST Abdul Shabazz wrote:
>> > Of the five (5) known forms of matter:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >1. Solid (well-structured arrangement of tightly bound atoms, found
>> > in
>> >ice)
>> >2. Liquid (unstructured arrangement of tightly-bound atoms)
>> >3. Gas (loose arrangement of atoms)
>> >4. Plasma (Properties of liquid, electricity, and magnetism found @
>> > the
>> >core of our sun)
>> >5. Bose-Einstein condensates (Properties of gas and phase-invariant
>> >liquid, ie. a superfluid)
>> >
>> >
>> > ...Another sixth (6th) form of matter was uncovered six weeks ago at UT
>> > Dallas: the "Superfluid Quasicrystal" -- which has the properties of
>> > both
>> > quasicrystals and superfluids, wherein Quasi crystals have atoms that
>> > are
>> > arranged in a highly ordered, periodic pattern that is unchanged when
>> > you
>> > rotate or repeat it, eg. in table salts)
>> >
>> >
>> > This sixth (6th) form of matter exhibits properties of a Soliton: A
>> > Soliton
>> > or Einno Soliton Tsunami is a gathering phase-invariant wave that
>> > maintains
>> > its shape and velocity as it travels through any phase of matter.
>> >
>> >
>> > An example implementation perhaps in javascript would be:
>> >
>> >
>> > // file1.jsol
>> >
>> >
>> > ${0} = (lhs,rhs) => { return (lhs ${1} rhs) }
>> >
>> >
>> > // file2.js
>> >
>> >
>> > import file1.["add",Symbol.operator.addition] as bar
>> >
>> > let foo = bar.add(4,2) // returns 6
>> >
>> >
>> > // file3.js
>> >
>> >
>> > import file1.["mul",Symbol.operator.multiplication] as bar
>> >
>> > let foo = bar.mul(4,2) // returns
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Re: Proposal: Phase-Invariant Einno Soliton Templates

[Michael Luder-Rosefield]

At this point I fully expect Abdul to describe the Norse, Greek and Hindu
pantheons in terms of turbulence physics and give a few pseudocode JS
snippets indicating that they can also be used to handle REST requests.
And all in 3 short sentences.

On Sun, 20 May 2018 at 02:49 kdex  wrote:

> To me, what you're actually seeking to discuss looks less related to
> physics
> and more like an extension to ECMAScript's `import` syntax.
>
> Would you please describe it a little more? A good conversation starter,
> preferably without any domain-specific context (i.e. physics), would
> entail:
>
> - the set of generalized (= non-domain-specific) problems it solves
> - the desugaring you have in mind
> - how a solution to your problem might look without introducing new syntax
> (ideally also the reasoning why you consider new syntax to be justified)
>
> On Sunday, May 20, 2018 3:12:34 AM CEST Abdul Shabazz wrote:
> > Of the five (5) known forms of matter:
> >
> >
> >
> >1. Solid (well-structured arrangement of tightly bound atoms, found in
> >ice)
> >2. Liquid (unstructured arrangement of tightly-bound atoms)
> >3. Gas (loose arrangement of atoms)
> >4. Plasma (Properties of liquid, electricity, and magnetism found @
> the
> >core of our sun)
> >5. Bose-Einstein condensates (Properties of gas and phase-invariant
> >liquid, ie. a superfluid)
> >
> >
> > ...Another sixth (6th) form of matter was uncovered six weeks ago at UT
> > Dallas: the "Superfluid Quasicrystal" -- which has the properties of both
> > quasicrystals and superfluids, wherein Quasi crystals have atoms that are
> > arranged in a highly ordered, periodic pattern that is unchanged when you
> > rotate or repeat it, eg. in table salts)
> >
> >
> > This sixth (6th) form of matter exhibits properties of a Soliton: A
> Soliton
> > or Einno Soliton Tsunami is a gathering phase-invariant wave that
> maintains
> > its shape and velocity as it travels through any phase of matter.
> >
> >
> > An example implementation perhaps in javascript would be:
> >
> >
> > // file1.jsol
> >
> >
> > ${0} = (lhs,rhs) => { return (lhs ${1} rhs) }
> >
> >
> > // file2.js
> >
> >
> > import file1.["add",Symbol.operator.addition] as bar
> >
> > let foo = bar.add(4,2) // returns 6
> >
> >
> > // file3.js
> >
> >
> > import file1.["mul",Symbol.operator.multiplication] as bar
> >
> > let foo = bar.mul(4,2) // returns
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Re: Proposal: Phase-Invariant Einno Soliton Templates

[kdex]

To me, what you're actually seeking to discuss looks less related to physics 
and more like an extension to ECMAScript's `import` syntax.

Would you please describe it a little more? A good conversation starter, 
preferably without any domain-specific context (i.e. physics), would entail:

- the set of generalized (= non-domain-specific) problems it solves
- the desugaring you have in mind
- how a solution to your problem might look without introducing new syntax 
(ideally also the reasoning why you consider new syntax to be justified)

On Sunday, May 20, 2018 3:12:34 AM CEST Abdul Shabazz wrote:
> Of the five (5) known forms of matter:
> 
> 
> 
>1. Solid (well-structured arrangement of tightly bound atoms, found in
>ice)
>2. Liquid (unstructured arrangement of tightly-bound atoms)
>3. Gas (loose arrangement of atoms)
>4. Plasma (Properties of liquid, electricity, and magnetism found @ the
>core of our sun)
>5. Bose-Einstein condensates (Properties of gas and phase-invariant
>liquid, ie. a superfluid)
> 
> 
> ...Another sixth (6th) form of matter was uncovered six weeks ago at UT
> Dallas: the "Superfluid Quasicrystal" -- which has the properties of both
> quasicrystals and superfluids, wherein Quasi crystals have atoms that are
> arranged in a highly ordered, periodic pattern that is unchanged when you
> rotate or repeat it, eg. in table salts)
> 
> 
> This sixth (6th) form of matter exhibits properties of a Soliton: A Soliton
> or Einno Soliton Tsunami is a gathering phase-invariant wave that maintains
> its shape and velocity as it travels through any phase of matter.
> 
> 
> An example implementation perhaps in javascript would be:
> 
> 
> // file1.jsol
> 
> 
> ${0} = (lhs,rhs) => { return (lhs ${1} rhs) }
> 
> 
> // file2.js
> 
> 
> import file1.["add",Symbol.operator.addition] as bar
> 
> let foo = bar.add(4,2) // returns 6
> 
> 
> // file3.js
> 
> 
> import file1.["mul",Symbol.operator.multiplication] as bar
> 
> let foo = bar.mul(4,2) // returns 8

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Re: Re: Proposal: Phase-Invariant Einno Soliton Templates

[Abdul Shabazz]

jsol files can be seen as distilled Reductions which are confluent and semi
well-founded.
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Re: Proposal: Phase-Invariant Einno Soliton Templates

[Jordan Harband]

What exactly are you proposing? Do you have a userland library that
implements whatever you're proposing? Why are the states of matter in any
way relevant to a programming language?

On Sat, May 19, 2018 at 6:12 PM, Abdul Shabazz 
wrote:

>
> Of the five (5) known forms of matter:
>
>
>
>1. Solid (well-structured arrangement of tightly bound atoms, found in
>ice)
>2. Liquid (unstructured arrangement of tightly-bound atoms)
>3. Gas (loose arrangement of atoms)
>4. Plasma (Properties of liquid, electricity, and magnetism found @
>the core of our sun)
>5. Bose-Einstein condensates (Properties of gas and phase-invariant
>liquid, ie. a superfluid)
>
>
> ...Another sixth (6th) form of matter was uncovered six weeks ago at UT
> Dallas: the "Superfluid Quasicrystal" -- which has the properties of both
> quasicrystals and superfluids, wherein Quasi crystals have atoms that are
> arranged in a highly ordered, periodic pattern that is unchanged when you
> rotate or repeat it, eg. in table salts)
>
>
> This sixth (6th) form of matter exhibits properties of a Soliton: A
> Soliton or Einno Soliton Tsunami is a gathering phase-invariant wave that
> maintains its shape and velocity as it travels through any phase of matter.
>
>
> An example implementation perhaps in javascript would be:
>
>
> // file1.jsol
>
>
> ${0} = (lhs,rhs) => { return (lhs ${1} rhs) }
>
>
> // file2.js
>
>
> import file1.["add",Symbol.operator.addition] as bar
>
> let foo = bar.add(4,2) // returns 6
>
>
> // file3.js
>
>
> import file1.["mul",Symbol.operator.multiplication] as bar
>
> let foo = bar.mul(4,2) // returns 8
>
>
>
> --
> Abdul S.
>
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Proposal: Phase-Invariant Einno Soliton Templates

[Abdul Shabazz]

Of the five (5) known forms of matter:



   1. Solid (well-structured arrangement of tightly bound atoms, found in
   ice)
   2. Liquid (unstructured arrangement of tightly-bound atoms)
   3. Gas (loose arrangement of atoms)
   4. Plasma (Properties of liquid, electricity, and magnetism found @ the
   core of our sun)
   5. Bose-Einstein condensates (Properties of gas and phase-invariant
   liquid, ie. a superfluid)


...Another sixth (6th) form of matter was uncovered six weeks ago at UT
Dallas: the "Superfluid Quasicrystal" -- which has the properties of both
quasicrystals and superfluids, wherein Quasi crystals have atoms that are
arranged in a highly ordered, periodic pattern that is unchanged when you
rotate or repeat it, eg. in table salts)


This sixth (6th) form of matter exhibits properties of a Soliton: A Soliton
or Einno Soliton Tsunami is a gathering phase-invariant wave that maintains
its shape and velocity as it travels through any phase of matter.


An example implementation perhaps in javascript would be:


// file1.jsol


${0} = (lhs,rhs) => { return (lhs ${1} rhs) }


// file2.js


import file1.["add",Symbol.operator.addition] as bar

let foo = bar.add(4,2) // returns 6


// file3.js


import file1.["mul",Symbol.operator.multiplication] as bar

let foo = bar.mul(4,2) // returns 8



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