[eug-lug]Herding list info updated
Kind of surprised no one said anything about the Herding list link being broken. Anyways, up-to-date info (for obtaining more info) has been added and the dead link removed: http://www.euglug.org/list.phtml -Beaker ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
[eug-lug]Bill's Mug Shot
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/mugshots/gatesmug1.html Of course you already knew he was no good j - Beaker ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
[eug-lug]euglug.org :: Message Board
I'm following the following posts from our Message Board so that they might get actually responded to (yes, we have a msg board; its at http://www.euglug.org/board.phtml ). --- message 1 --- Subject: Mandrake 9 and XP pro delay prob Posted by: Sean on 3-Jun-03 at 10:26 pm setup... Cable Modem---Router each has a static IP. The Samba (Mandrake 9) Box is also a PDC.. The xp pro box connects to the Domain on the Samba Server.. However pulls a DNS from the Cable company for internet regardless of the PDC.. If i open a WWW Browser on the PDC it is instantaneous.. If i open one on the XP Box i get a 30 second delay?? I have tried almost anything I can think of to include removing wins altogether making it only resolve using broadcast. I put the Samba DNS IP Address at the bottom of the list on the xp box with 5 other DNS's from the cable company on top.. Installed SignOrSeal,,, any suggestions? --- message 2 --- Subject: photos from gimp via hp5550 prin Posted by: Dirk Ouellette on 9-Jun-03 at 6:37 pm I use RedHat 9 and I don't know the step by step to get the gimp to print photos on my hp 5550 printer. I get truncated, stretched and flattened photos. Does any one know the best settings for Gimp to do the job. So far I'm using the 900 series hp setting in the gimp as suggested by hp's website. TIA, Dirk ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
[eug-lug]Regarding Off-Topic Stuff
Just thought I'd remind everyone that EUGLUG's Blog* is available for posting off-topic material: http://euglug.net/blogs * don't forget to enable cookies. -Beaker ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [Eug-lug]HB2892: Consideration For Mabrey's Muslix Bill
Fortunately, Mabrey's Muslix is actually _very_ well known and backed heavily by IBM, Hewlette Packard, Sun Microsystems, Oracle, and many others in the breakfast cereal industry. Further, Mabrey's Muslix, powers the fifth largest prison system in the world! M...Mabrey's. ___ Eug-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
[Eug-lug][Fwd: [laneopensource] HB 2892 - history in the making]
This might be interesting to hear -Beaker Original Message From: - Wed Apr 02 13:27:13 2003 From: Ken Barber [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [laneopensource] HB 2892 - history in the making Oregon's House Bill 2892, a piece of legislation that I wrote, will be heard at 8:30 am tomorrow (Thursday) morning (Pacific Coast time) by the General Government committee of Oregon's House of Representatives. As far as I know, It will be the first time in history for a bill dealing with Open Source Software to make it this far in the United States. You can listen to the committee hearing live via the Internet on the state legislature's web site. Click here http://www.leg.state.or.us/listn/listenset.htm and choose audio: live today. Where you click from there varies from hour to hour, but you want to look for the House General Government Committee hearing. There are two General Government committees, one for the House and one for the Senate. You want the one for the HOUSE. There might, or might not, also be live video available. If it's there, you'll have to poke around to find it. You will need RealPlayer installed on your computer for this to work. If you don't have RealPlayer there is a link at the bottom of the above-referenced Web page to the site where you can download it. You can listen to the committee hearing later by clicking on the archives link at the bottom of the page. The committee chair has allotted one hour for consideration of this bill, and it will be the first one heard. The bill's proponents get the first half-hour and its opponents get the last half-hour. We do not know at this time what form the opposition will take. Please feel free to forward this to anyone, anywhere, including any Open Source-related email lists. Heck, you can even post it to Slashdot if you wish -- I don't have time. I have not sent this to my mother. If anyone has the time to explain to her what all this means, feel free to do so! Ken ___ Eug-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [Eug-lug]HB2892 Update
Cooper Stevenson wrote: Finally, I am told that the Business Software alliance _will_ be testifying in opposition of this bill. If some of you could do some research on the BSA and send me links of articles outlining their practices, motivation and case history I would be very great full. This will give me more time to coordinate our efforts without needing to worry so much about theirs. Here's BSA's mission statement: http://www.bsa.org/usa/ About BSA Promoting a safe and legal online world The Business Software Alliance (BSA) is the foremost organization dedicated to promoting a safe and legal online world. We are the voice of the worlds software, hardware and Internet sectors before governments and with consumers in the international marketplace. BSA members represent the fastest growing industries in the world. BSA educates computer users on software copyrights and cyber security; advocates public policy that fosters innovation and expands trade opportunities; and fights software piracy. Established in 1988, BSA has programs in 65 countries worldwide. My guess is thier opposition is based on the association of open source with the GPL = goes against their stated support of intellectual property rights. AFAIK, this bill doesn't stipulate consideration of GPL'ed software, just that the software be open source, of which there are many license alternatives. Maybe they need some educating :) -Beaker ___ Eug-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [Eug-lug]HB2892 Update
Finally, I am told that the Business Software alliance _will_ be testifying in opposition of this bill. Here's another telling link: http://www.howtotell.com/ww/script/bsa.asp I think perhaps BSA is a puppet organization of M$ -Beaker ___ Eug-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [Eug-lug]tonight clinic
Which SVDP outlet is the 'computer' location (like the GW Coburg location). Its on West Broadway, a couple blocks west of Garfield (a warehouse district). -Beaker ___ Eug-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
[Eug-lug]Tech Brewpub Time/Date/Location?
I've been meaning to go to one of these for some time - could someone send me the specifics? TIA, -beaker ___ Eug-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [Eug-lug]new images available
It's my box but EFN's bandwidth, so the login, scheduler, however we end up setting things up will need to download only late at night when the line is not in use. (NB. there's at least one network backup to work around as well) Making an ISO from an existing CD doesn't take too long, so its just the ISOs that no one has that need downloading. bendug has many of the ISOs of interest, so maybe just set up a mirror? -beaker ___ Eug-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [Eug-lug]new images available
Bob Crandell wrote: It's old and slow. What's to be impressed? Why, the gesture of course. For all those future EUGLUG CD roastings, thanks! ___ Eug-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
[Eug-lug]SCO sues IBM over Shared Libraries (hooks)
This story has been /.ed. The actual complaint can be read at http://www.sco.com/scosource/complaint3.06.03.html -beaker ___ Eug-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [Eug-lug]Oregon Open Source Bill Introduced
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 A news entry regarding HB 2892 has been added on http://www.euglug.org - -Beaker -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE+Z8G+cG4SRTUkJQgRAndAAJ9YkfN9yqs+WtqSn/j7nadJpBRvcACgmj96 y0IQLwgAosSqQuLpNf1Z9x4= =Y0pz -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Eug-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [Eug-lug]network monitoring?
I hope this will clarify how it works and answer Josheph's e-mail about homepna. It works very well. You get dsl speeds nothing super fast. But if there are a lot of guest on it will slow down due to the bottleneck at the dsl going out. I got between 450-600 in the guest rooms. You misunderstand my concern, ... [u]nless you have ethernet to homepna bridges in each room... This appears to be the case: There was a nice picture of the hardware tree at the bottom of the converter link previously provided by Tim. There is a homePNA-Ethernet converter in each room, into which both the phone your laptop tap. Take a look at http://www.handlink.com.tw/eng/products/homepna/pec120/products_homepna_pec120.htm# Of course the converter isn't free, but you can then manage both the telephones and internet connections through one medium, and - at least on new construction - you could avoid having to wire for either or both Ethernet and phone: a lot of wire. -beaker ___ Eug-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [Eug-lug]cron and mandb
Rob Hudson wrote: Every morning when I come to my workstation at work (Debian testing), my CPU is maxed out at 100%. If I look at top, I see mandb is taking up 100% CPU. Looking at my process tree shows this: snip Anyone have an idea of what's going on and how I can fix it? from http://www.fifi.org/cgi-bin/man2html/usr/share/man/man8/mandb.8.gz mandb(8) NAME mandb - create or update the manual page index caches --- I'd guess that this is getting called from your daily cron file and isn't niced down = it hogs your cpu. Chances are you don't need to update your manpage DB every night... :) -beaker ___ Eug-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [Eug-lug]snip banter
[Tim Bolz] used to write up minutes for the weekly clinics and posted them to the list back when it was at Stan's Linux Training Center on 7th. Those were highly regarded emails! Yes, they were. I loved reading them when I was out of area. Maybe one of us should do the same for Tim's benefit. Actually, I've been writing up minutes (they're on euglug.org), but generally only for special events. I'd write up the clinics too, but I'm not there every Wed/Thur and often there simply isn't (at least in my mind) much to comment on. Perhaps moving the non-computer-intensive clinics to a nearby pub will make for more interesting minutes... #^) -beaker ___ Eug-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [Eug-lug]network monitoring?
That still asks, how to enforce. 802.1x can use MAC based authentication. That would require the customer to supply the MAC address before they can use it. But the whole point is moot since they don't really care who uses it, they just need/want to know how many are using. Couldn't you just make some sort a educated guessimate on typical/average packets/room/day and then look at total number of packets for a given period? Alternately, you could conduct some sampling*, say 5-15% of the rooms over a week or two, then apply either a normal or student-T distribution curve to extrapolate to the total number of rooms. -beaker * This would require some sort of go-between box or a user/password situation. You could sweeten the deal to get guests to comply: maybe a free movie? ___ Eug-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [Eug-lug]UnitedLinux cds in.
Jacob Meuser wrote: I thought it was because they acquired the rights to the original Bell Labs UNIX - http://www.sco.com/scosource/ Yes, thats it. Here's some excerpts from an internetnews.com article last month: Ref: http://www.internetnews.com/bus-news/article.php/1573491 The crux of the matter, according to the statement, is that the [ATT] UNIX shared libraries, owned by SCO, are not Linux products. They are not open source software and they are not covered by the GPL. Linux is based on UNIX and at least in theory, SCO apparently thinks it might be possible to build a case that says some of its rights are being violated. Linux is widely assumed to be open source software developed by volunteers that can be freely downloaded. -Beaker ___ Eug-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
[Eug-lug]Sendmail help/hack needed
Does anyone know how I might go about enabling incoming mail via sendmail directly to my box, assuming it has a valid, world-readable address? I've always just used either fetchmail or similar, but I've got valid name now and thought it would be nice to just have it send directly, assuming its not a hugh security risk. With my current default sendmail setup (running as 'sendmail -db -q30m') I get the following error: --- - Transcript of session follows - ... while talking to mydomain.org.: RCPT To:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 550 5.7.1 [EMAIL PROTECTED]... Relaying denied 550 5.1.1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] User unknown --- * mydomain.org is made up (to protect the ignorant me) I probably need some sort of hack to do this, no? I think if I can configure things to only accept mail from one particular relay and to one particular name, then it shouldn't be too risky, eh? Cheers, Beaker ___ Eug-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [Eug-lug]UnitedLinux cds in.
$ since I know he just loooves SCO.
Huh? What? Did someone just take my ${name-in-vain}?
Don't SCOwl Bob. (sorry, had to say it)
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Re: [Eug-lug]X w/ 48 mb ram
If you have a mixed hardware environment (such as mac, pc, sun, ...) and all the computers must run the same OS, then linux is probably your only answer. And if you want the OS to be consistent across that mixed hardware, then Debian and NetBSD are likely the only choice. Ben - FWIW, I run the WMX window manager on NetBSD-1.6 with Dillo, XV, Cool-Edit, and a few other things on a Sparc IPX (50Mhz; 64M RAM) and as long as I don't try to resize/move windows too fast, it works pretty well. The worst thing is the CG6 framebuffer (8 bit color), which as you can imagine, doesn't offer the best resolution. -Beaker ___ Eug-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [Eug-lug]local LTSP endeavors? (was X w/ 48 mb ram...)
Ben Barrett wrote: PS - Anyone else want to volunteer to help with local LTSP endeavors? I'd be up for it in a few weeks. I was planning on helping out at Pleasant Hill but I had an appendectomy about two weeks ago and am still feeling it. Sounds like Ken got several helping hands; maybe next time. -Beaker ___ Eug-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
[Eug-lug]Re: nobody's shell
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 |1) Talking about nobody -- what should be his/her shell ? | My distro decided on /bin/sh whereas some system accounts are assigned | | I think it depends on what nobody's doing by default, or what you do and | don't want nobody to be able to do (easily, at least). I seem to recall reading about chrooting accounts like nobody as a way of securing them. I do this with ftp. - -Beaker -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE+RAyBcG4SRTUkJQgRApU4AJ0ZW3tN8Nb2vXgD/Yzfh7Y/LW+2EgCeOTWE P4ND2SwjuFquHLmZM1kRodI= =6YSD -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Eug-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [Eug-lug]Re: free archive!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Joseph Carter wrote: | | We do have a chatter list - it's called activism. | Speaking of the activism list - could someone send me the signup link off-list? I went looking for it shortly after that graphic Dexter thread and couldn't find it. - -beaker -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE+P+hxcG4SRTUkJQgRAr5PAJ9Mz9VIcWEPd6e8ZzzzO3vWg966lACgjkUr kZDCXu2XB+sFlS7nSg7Eo2Y= =qDx0 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Eug-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
[Eug-lug]Re: Naked on the Net
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ben Barrett wrote: | Something more important (for those of us who think we care), seriously, | is how can we gain/retain/regain privacy *without* significantly | impacting our familiar routines and operations?? One thing's for certain: the more engaged you are in consumer culture, the less privacy you'll have. Beaker -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE+QF4CcG4SRTUkJQgRAobSAKCn5zsSsV+g4G0FbrNX/0HbssDdugCfSBXS GdV6FXWrsGOhwRfEngO6DEI= =UCWE -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Eug-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [Eug-lug]quick commands with text
Ben Huot wrote: select GNU textutils commands attached These were the only ones I could find that would be useful for me as a writer. snip What?!? - 'rev' isn't useful to a writer? 8^J -beaker ___ Eug-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [Eug-lug]Idea for ELUG mascot...
Ralph Zeller wrote: This would have been a great mascot for ELUG, with a Northwest theme, too bad it's already taken: http://trace.wisc.edu/linux/pics/lars.gif I was think'in of dressing Tux /or Beastie up like Jerry Garcia to better reflect the Eugene experience. -Beaker ___ Eug-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [Eug-lug]Unusual num-pad behavior
No dice. Neither key-combos work on my home workstation, either... Is there a file where I might find out what's up? Or three, more likely... ahh, precious linux, precocious linux. I'm not getting it to work either. I assumed it's because my X server is 4.1.0 (RedHat 7.2). Has anyone seen this work on a 4.1 X server? Me neither (X11 + Sun type-4 keyboard) ;^. -beaker ___ Eug-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [Eug-lug]keyserver breakage
For those BSD folks who want/need to use ldap-authentication: http://www.padl.com/OSS/pam_ldap.html This has been ported to [Free|Net]BSD ; don't know about OpenBSD. I'm not sure we really need this for just checking keyservers. Alternately, one could just use pgp5 which I think uses ldap as default. Beaker ___ Eug-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [Eug-lug]keyserver breakage
Joseph Carter wrote: I advocated use of wwwkeys.pgp.net before.. I find I must now retract that recommendation now given that I have discovered the HKP corruption bug. WTF is the HKP corruption bug? If you have a key, say .. Are you sure this is a bug? Here's what the gpg manpage (on netbsd) says: ... --keyserver-options parameters This is a space or comma delimited string that gives options for the keyserver. Options can be prepended with a `no-' to give the opposite meaning. Valid import-options or export-options may be used here as well to apply to importing (--recv-key) or exporting (--send-key) a key from a keyserver. While not all options are available for all keyserver types, some common options are: include-subkeys When receiving a key, include subkeys in the search. Note that this option is not used with HKP keyservers, as they do not support retrieving keys by subkey id. ... For reference: %gpg --version gpg (GnuPG) 1.2.1 snip -Beaker -- -BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (NetBSD) mQGiBD4cmSgRBACr+Wc2nItICv5yEuLGR0bcspWe4Kpr4APCv4+MSQ6frDECuK2w PqINUMVueM37uHXAKr5d4+W6Xv+eGbU4BqTMTOMWHm4BSkzRTKCEEvfIa3h0EUGA lTenY22J9BboJHrHRB8RT8pcNPfJNSwKIhWMXuXCIcQy0Bzyk611eG2wTwCgq5IM QsJNwX5COZxvDuh/xGoL77cEAJ5vH4YsShVSAYU6f5m5CX5LoxL0kyy6RTzoV7J/ KgFdMaaiyySHAjDQjIrmvgsqWRUEvwdPy8qcHmu/9XJZyNH17VvcFcb98KOWH/1T ZEw5vxER2rBZEZAnEK+zgN2tSNmp8ChEbHWe7ySfe5eCyEPD5YAo0njWJJkTX1bC oNNLA/9n2JNHsVhmbsdGICEhuQ7ehU0RvxuGJoLHYC1EVYYZFUsPZVJ40d82QHuU iazrSC5N4AvsBQCgivG175m4IZBQx1l7nd1liRSq1A0YLLBBPG6kbhmg6LJDULgf zfK/w3cfr4EUAHWvd4MOKxQO2ZQ6CD1bsLxJfUB/mMmsYqwN0rQwSmVmZiBXb29k YWxsIChha2EgQmVha2VyKSA8YmVha2VyQG15cmVhbGJveC5jb20+iFkEExECABkF Aj4cmSgECwcDAgMVAgMDFgIBAh4BAheAAAoJEHBuEkU1JCUI7vgAoIWEb0Nb292S NwPtTrJKCPzdxlyeAJ0XmKM1B9vC0sKAyrbk1a1Tg69IE7QySmVmZiBXb29kYWxs IChCZWFrZXIgQCBTREYpIDxiZWFrZXJAZnJlZXNoZWxsLm9yZz6IXwQTEQIAHwIb AwQLBwMCAxUCAwMWAgECHgECF4ACGQEFAj4ctcUACgkQcG4SRTUkJQhCxwCgpk4A lk/upm/57teVU6DdIxjmS9kAniEZptuaX9bwAA9x0Lxtv3ToXPLwuQENBD4cmS8Q BADtEh9a/xxpKb4RM4STrPpV2vCaC3ltVJUPnP0R3ajsp47BJKEHD1gm8EczecaX qYDOhIUmF1fQDsxnddYKwUb/GgXzmObUly0VNeUIeHD8MY7kpSnTzr34HZFZvvib 9Km/1CP9CTyrMoSxwASu7K/O6BZlHd5rjNdsqb28IXLC8wADBgP/d+Ivmhok58+Y +Wpwz/upk4V0jJ9wSkgMIhIMXXRsCQVpSg8Lhu2TfueukT98vBtbyQTxO8V+yvfz OozQAtNcIcyz697y/IO7Z+Wmr2OQsHpc9MLkKh60yEE+MwOZhpcSHJ8lcO2oceY4 3XGDVQL73e3BV+dXMXdQkqoW8TuYZUGIRgQYEQIABgUCPhyZLwAKCRBwbhJFNSQl CAlDAJwJ1/iRwISv9DfA9NlbG0d8IQZ5XgCgo+UYTi69b31MMkpjY1ie2LiVs48= =MPJI -END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- ___ Eug-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
[Eug-lug]Resurrecting Gopherspace
Recently freeshell.org resurrected their gopherspace (gopher://gopher.freeshell.org) with the idea that not only would it help slow the protocol's demise, gopher's uniformity and starkness make it unappealing to the various commercial interests that some feel have monopolized the http protocol. I like gopher's intrinsic emphasis of content over presentation and am trying to think of useful and interesting ways I could add to the existing gopherspace (which is very small apparently); maybe a gopher://euglug.org ? BTW, the gopher protocol has some support in current browsers. By far the best appears to be Lynx and Mosaic. Sadly, gopher support is broken in Mozilla and its derivatives (except possibly Navigator), and non-existent in Dillo, Konqerour, and Links. Oddly, IE still support it. There are various console-based gopher clients, the primary one being from U of MN, the creators of the protocol. And for all you activists: http://www.scn.org/~bkarger/gopher-manifesto -beaker ___ Eug-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [Eug-lug]Resurrecting Gopherspace
.. There's no reason why you can't map a hierarchical gopher-like structure to a web site using little or no HTML and Apache's intrinsic directory listings. Or even using anonymous ftp for that matter. I agree - there is no point in having/maintaining separate file trees. I _do_ think being able to do gopher-specific searches would be advantageous, since you wouldn't be wading through the whole web. And of course, anyone that needs to use a text-based interface would find the consistancy of gopherspace a relief. Mozilla 1.0 appears to have gopher support enough to work with gofish - in what ways is its support broken? (okay, I just discovered the location field doesn't properly update the URI, but besides that.) Try it w/ Mozilla 1.2.1 . You get the initail tree display and thats about it. The work-around in mentioned in Bugzilla is to use a gopher proxy. -Beaker ___ Eug-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
[Eug-lug]ISO unusal graph/chart program
I'm looking for a program - preferably OS of course - that can generate a circular bar chart (basically it looks like a pie chart but each slice is actually a bar radiating out from the center). Ideally, the program would accept simple ASCII data files as input. Something that can run in a browser would be perfect, but that isn't a necessity. Any ideas? -Beaker ___ Eug-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
[Eug-lug]Re: ISO unusal graph/chart program
I don't know what OS means.. Sorry - Open Source. Figured since it was a LUG list and all... Anyways, the nearest looking thing I've found is something called a 'wind rose chart', typically used map wind data. The GDChart package does look like it could be tweaked, but given my novice programming skills, my preference is for a turn-key solution =^J -beaker ___ Eug-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [Eug-lug]Is there anybody besides me who doesn't smoke pot!
I'm beginning to wonder if this whole movement is, for the most part, just a drug-induced mass-hallucination. Dexter Graphic | | V V DEAGoon Have we been infiltrated? ___ Eug-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [Eug-lug]First January Presentation
The next EUGLUG presentation is THIS Saturday. Be there, DAMN! I completely spaced this (inhaling too much sawdust I guess). I so wanted to go too as I'm trying to learn more advanced (g)awk sed techniques. Oh well... Could someone forward the minutes for posting on euglug.org ? -Beaker ___ Eug-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
[Eug-lug]Eug-LUG News Calendar
Both these events/issues have been noted/added on the www.euglug.org site. Looking forward to this Saturday's presentation! - Beaker Title: Regular Expressions Presenter: Seth Cohn Time: Saturday, January 4th, 1:00 to 3:00 PM Place: EFN World HQ, 43 W. Broadway --- This will be the last thursday meeting for a while, meetings will move to wednesdays for the months of January and February 2003 ___ Eug-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [Eug-lug]Dan's text based computer system
Here are the facts: Dan does not want to use a graphical user interface (GUI) to relate to his computer (that means no windows, icons, mice, or pointers). snip He has a philosophical/political preference for free (as in speech) software and would rather not continue using Windows 95 and its lame Internet Mail program with no spell checking. snip Dan actually has the software on his computer (Debian 3.0). snip For some reason Dan is unwilling to spend the necessary time and effort to read the instructions and figure it out for himself. snip For some reason no on else from EUGLUG is willing to do this for him for free (as in beer). *Reality Check!* Dan sounds like a bundle of contidictions and perhaps _should_ stick with Windows. Why should anyone help someone for free if they aren't willing to invest at least an equal amount of time themselves. -beaker ___ Eug-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [Eug-lug]Dan's text based computer system
: *Reality Check!* I'd like to apologize for the harsh tone of my earlier post. I'm sure Dan deserves a hand with with breaking the Windows habit as much as anybody. What can I say - all this rain is starting to get to me... -beaker ___ Eug-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
[Eug-lug]OT - The Spam Song
Anyone hear Wayne Brady sing his SPAM Song (sung to the tune of War by Edwin Starr, c.1970) on the Wayne Brady show? Pretty funny stuff. ~Beaker ___ Eug-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [Eug-lug]Big brother is a Motor Head!
The course description says that its navigable by a (4x4?)pickup truck, but the vehicle must operate autonomously and - I think - without pit-stops for refueling, etc. The fuel with the highest energy density thats readily available is diesel AFAIK. Any publicly available signals are allowed, so GPS, Mapquest, etc. are all possible tools but CIA spy satellites aren't / ~Beaker The race is to be run at night. Mike O ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote*: Wait a minute. You want to avoid pedestrians? Cyclists maybe but pedestrians?!! I'm sure the majority of entries are going to be solar powered unless that's out of the rule books. We are talking LA to LV here. Lots and lots of sunshine. ___ Eug-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [Eug-lug]Big brother is a Motor Head!
Beaker (aka Jeff W) wrote: The course description says that its navigable by a (4x4?)pickup truck, but the vehicle must operate autonomously and - I think - without pit-stops for refueling, etc. The fuel with the highest energy density thats readily available is diesel AFAIK. Any publicly available signals are allowed, so GPS, Mapquest, etc. are all possible tools but CIA spy satellites aren't / ~Beaker Opps - I should of checked the rules page - seems that refueling IS allowed (autonomously automatically at checkpoints) as is cleaning, however wireless internet communications apparently ISN'T - only GPS communications are allowed (see below). ~beaker --- from DARPA/grandchallenge site --- snip Only single independent, untethered ground vehicles are eligible. No sub-vehicles will be allowed. All computing and intelligence must be contained onboard. Apart from the emergency stop feature (see Safety), automatic communication with autonomous equipment at the checkpoints (see Checkpoints) and GPS signals, no external communication is allowed snip Checkpoint(s) A checkpoint is a required safety stop at a pre-defined location on the course. The chase vehicle occupants can be rotated or refreshed with no time penalty against the autonomous vehicle. The elapsed time for each vehicle will stop during the mandatory portion of a stop. In addition, an entry may be serviced autonomously (for example, refueled or cleaned). Any required autonomous servicing equipment must be placed at the checkpoint prior to the start of the race. The location of the checkpoint(s) will be provided well in advance of the race. snip ___ Eug-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [Eug-lug]Big brother is a Motor Head!
Bob Crandell wrote: Looks like the hardware costs are getting periously close to sky high. Too bad. It would a lot of fun. Well, sponsors are allowed - know any deep pockets ? ~beaker ___ Eug-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
[Eug-lug]Big brother is a Motor Head!
http://www.darpa.mil/iao/ while checking out the above link I thought I'd see what was on the main DARPA page and found this: http://www.darpa.mil/grandchallenge/index.htm The cash prize is a cool million (taxpayer?) dollars! ~beaker ___ Eug-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [Eug-lug]IAO, the history machine, and you
Some disturbing platitudes. (what exactly is 'truth maintenance'?) http://www.darpa.mil/iao/ I do see one upside to this otherwise gloomy situation: with lots of DARPA $$$ significant progress might be made in the AI field. I do wonder how sucessful goverment snooping of encrypted email would be? I was under the impression that multi-encrypted files are for all practical puposes uncrackable, at least in any timely manner. Is that not the case? ~Beaker ___ Eug-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [Eug-lug]Thiz Linux
Thiz Linuz Desktop 6.0 http://www.chaintech.thizlinux.com/products/thizlinux60/tld60_main.php Looks like they most are catering to the asian markets (see top-level URL http://www.thizlinux.com ), which might explain why the cheap boxes at Frys come with it preinstalled. ___ Eug-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [Eug-lug]Revolution-os DVD - OT? [not]SPAM?
Never got an HP phone call, though. Probably after the sixth web request originating from Eugene, OR they realized what was going on and bagged the followup call plan ;^J ___ Eug-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
[Eug-lug]Regarding the RH-8.0 Eval CD Packs...
I'm just going to bring these things to the presentation and it will be first-come, first-served. They're no big deal really and - as we found in the workshop - they're worthless if your box doesn't support booting from CDROM. ~Beaker ___ Eug-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [Eug-lug]Regarding the RH-8.0 Eval CD Packs...
mike wrote: any legalities to cross regarding duplicating them? Don't think so - its GPL right? Even if there is none-GPL stuff on them, it basically RedHat swag - they _want_ you to have it! ___ Eug-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [Eug-lug]Presentations
want to suggest another topic, whether you'd like to speak on it or not? Didn't we have printing on the menu at one point? How about that? Could be Cups or magicfilter oriented, or just plan vanilla lpf stuff. ~Beaker ___ Eug-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [Eug-lug]free parts
Mike O wrote: as long as I don't forget I'll be bringing along some older parts to get rid of. Free for the taking. Just a couple socket 7 boards, a slot 1 board and other small parts. Otherwise they will be donated to EFN since I no longer desire to futz with old parts. Cool - I like old part futzing! ~beaker ___ Eug-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [Eug-lug]What time?
date What about setting the time in the BIOS? Will both OS's recognize that properly? --- Dexter Graphic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there a command you can type at the Linux command line to tell you what time it is (or at least what time the computer thinks it is)? Don't know about Linux, but in NetBSD you generally want to use UTC time (obtained via a ntp server) and then set the appropriate clock offset in the kernel. I've done this on a DOS/NetBSD system and it solved my system vs BIOS clock discrepancies problem when switching back and forth. ~beaker ___ Eug-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
[Eug-lug]Stateful Firewalling minutes + tarball available @ EugLUG site
For those interested, the Stateful Firewalling presentation minutes and tarball are on the Eug-LUG site. The minutes are at meeting minutesspecial events and the tarball is on the misc page. I will be cleaning up the minutes page soon so if there is anything there over a year old that someone wants, now is the time to act! j ~beaker ___ Eug-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [Eug-lug]Debian/Openbsd cancled on account of... security!
Sure to elicit some comment, this came from the Debian weekly news. Ahhrr - good: keep yer damm penguins out of Beastieland j ___ Eug-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [Eug-lug]Too Hot (baby)?
I checked - 131F is max disk enclosure temp, so I guess its ok. Its probably the noise that disturbed me - I don't think I'd want this drive in the same room with me on a daily basis! The cooler Mr O referenced looks good, though the addition of two more fans ought REALLY crank up the volume... ~beaker I've got a hardware question: how hot is too hot WRT hard drives? The Fujitsu 4 GB UltraSCSI drive I just did an install on is a little loud and seems to run hot, though no errors were experienced during the install. I stuck an digital thermometer on it: 97.1 F. This was with the case open the drive sitting on top, so it wasn't getting the benefit of normal case cooling. Does that seem too hot? That doesn't sound too bad, but you might want to check the drive manufacturer's physical spec sheets to determine temperature range. A quick browse over http://hdd.fujitsu.com/global/drive/ suggests that they can generally tolerate up to 120F. You might check out your specific model number. ___ Eug-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
[Eug-lug]Too Hot (baby)?
I've got a hardware question: how hot is too hot WRT hard drives? The Fujitsu 4 GB UltraSCSI drive I just did an install on is a little loud and seems to run hot, though no errors were experienced during the install. I stuck an digital thermometer on it: 97.1 F. This was with the case open the drive sitting on top, so it wasn't getting the benefit of normal case cooling. Does that seem too hot? ~Beaker ___ Eug-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [Eug-lug]Networking question from a novice
I've also got one of these SMC Barcade routers. Here's the spec sheet on the thing (can you tell if its full duplex for this?): ~Beaker --- *** SMC7004ABR Spec Sheet *** Ports: Four 10Base-T/100BaseTX RJ-45 ports (auto-MDIX/MDI) One 10Base-T/100BaseTX Broadband WAN port One DB-9 port for PSTN/ISDN connection One DB-25 printer port Internet Sharing Methods: Static IP, Dynamic IP, PPPoE, Dial-up networking Protocols: TCP/IP, PPTP, IPSec (VPN) Cabling Type: 10Base-T: UTP/STP Category 3 or 5 100Base-TX: UTP/STP Category 5 or better Topology: Star Speed: -WAN: 10 Mbps (10Base-T Ethernet) 100 Mbps (100Base-TX Fast Ethernet) -LAN: 10 Mbps (10Base-T Ethernet) or 100 Mbps (100Base-TX Fast Ethernet) LEDs: - LAN ports: Power Link Activity - WAN ports: Link Print Server: Supports Win 95/98/NT/2000, UNIX LPR NAT Router - Ethernet Interface Static or dynamic IP, PPPoE NAT Router - Ascynchronous Interface Auto-disconnect PAP/CHAP PPP ISDN TA Configuration Management Web-based Maximum Users: NAT: 253 PCs Features: DHCP server/client, VPN pass-through, Print server, NAT firewall Standards IEEE 802.3 IEEE 802.3u Certifications FCC Class B, CE Mark, CSA/NRTL, UL 1950, GS (EN60950), CB (IEC60950) Size: 7.5 x 4.5 x 1.3 Weight: 2 lb. Operating Temperature: 0°C to + 40°C Non-Operating: -40°C to 70°C Humidity: 10% - 90% Warranty: Limited lifetime --- Ben Barrett wrote: ...NFS is UDP, so you might want to find out if your network device (the SMC Barricade?) is a full-speed switch or has the limiting problems of older routers: you'll want full-speed 100baseTX, with full duplex to connect the machines that will be doing the major file-sharing, right folks? snip ___ Eug-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
