Re: [eug-lug] I am getting SP***M - I apologize,...
I have been getting a fair amount of spam in my efn inbox that looks like it is not being processed by the spam servers (no spamassassin headers). How are these getting through, and how would I plug up that hole? I'm considering spamassassin for my mail server and need to know how to deal with the issues. Any spamassassin experts want to jump in and give us a quick dissertation? Thanks, Christopher Maujean Linux Rocks ! wrote: Hal, If the spam you received had gone through the list, we all would have gotten it. I dont think that Ive seen that specific one, so I cant even say its anyway associated with the list. Ironicly, the email address I usually use on this list gets less spam than any other email address I use! I dont really see the list, or its archives as beeing an issue for spam. My EFN account gets a ton of spam however. Ive had that account since 1995, and the rocksolidnetworks address since 1999, so it just may be a matter of one address being used more than the other, and around for a longer period of time. I also only use the linux email address for mailing lists (both here in the DC area, and back home in eugene. The linux address is also not included in mailto: links on my webpage, but other address's that do get a lot of spam are.. At anyrate, your always welcome to express concerns... sorry we couldnt nail the source of your spam, but I havnt seen any effective way to do anything about it... filtering is about your only option. Jamie On Thursday 11 December 2003 12:12 am, Harald Sundt wrote: : ...I am not certain why these things work the way they do, but if you : say it ain't the List, then I retract my cracked and yellow parrot's : beak of peak. : : : H : ___ : EuG-LUG mailing list : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug] I am getting SP***M - I apologize,...
See today's EFN message about spam announce from EFN Sysadmin on how to configure individualized spam filtering. Way to go EFN! (If you don't have an EFN account please disregard). - Original Message - From: Christopher Maujean [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Eugene Unix and GNU/Linux User Group's mail list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 1:49 AM Subject: Re: [eug-lug] I am getting SP***M - I apologize,... I have been getting a fair amount of spam in my efn inbox that looks like it is not being processed by the spam servers (no spamassassin headers). How are these getting through, and how would I plug up that hole? I'm considering spamassassin for my mail server and need to know how to deal with the issues. Any spamassassin experts want to jump in and give us a quick dissertation? Thanks, Christopher Maujean Linux Rocks ! wrote: Hal, If the spam you received had gone through the list, we all would have gotten it. I dont think that Ive seen that specific one, so I cant even say its anyway associated with the list. Ironicly, the email address I usually use on this list gets less spam than any other email address I use! I dont really see the list, or its archives as beeing an issue for spam. My EFN account gets a ton of spam however. Ive had that account since 1995, and the rocksolidnetworks address since 1999, so it just may be a matter of one address being used more than the other, and around for a longer period of time. I also only use the linux email address for mailing lists (both here in the DC area, and back home in eugene. The linux address is also not included in mailto: links on my webpage, but other address's that do get a lot of spam are.. At anyrate, your always welcome to express concerns... sorry we couldnt nail the source of your spam, but I havnt seen any effective way to do anything about it... filtering is about your only option. Jamie On Thursday 11 December 2003 12:12 am, Harald Sundt wrote: : ...I am not certain why these things work the way they do, but if you : say it ain't the List, then I retract my cracked and yellow parrot's : beak of peak. : : : H : ___ : EuG-LUG mailing list : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug] I am getting SP***M - I apologize,...
Jamie, please note that Hal is a newcomer to our list and the Eugene area, while Harald is a separate person... forgive me if you've always called Harald Hal for short. Regards to Hal and Harald, Ben On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 00:52:21 -0500 Linux Rocks ! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Hal, | If the spam you received had gone through the list, we all would | have gotten | it. I dont think that Ive seen that specific one, so I cant even say its | anyway associated with the list. On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 23:13:58 -0500 Linux Rocks ! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Hal, | While I sympathize with getting spam, its not going through this | list. Its | possible that your email address was harvested via the web archive, but I | see no evidence of that. ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug] I am getting SP***M - I apologize,...
Ben, Hal has been a member of eug-lug since way before you joined. He doesnt write the list as often as you or I, but that doesnt make him any less(or new) of a member. I havnt seen him at any meetings lately, but then I havnt seen you at any either, but maybe if you made some of the meetings/clinics you would remember him. He's actually a fun guy. He often signs his email Hal, which is why I used that, If Hal had a problem with it, dont you think Hal would have said something? Please ceass your picking of nits with me, I for one have been tired of it for months now. Jamie On Thursday 11 December 2003 11:40 am, Ben Barrett wrote: : Jamie, please note that Hal is a newcomer to our list and the Eugene area, : while Harald is a separate person... forgive me if you've always called : Harald Hal for short. : : Regards to Hal and Harald, : :Ben : : : : On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 00:52:21 -0500 : : Linux Rocks ! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: : | Hal, : | If the spam you received had gone through the list, we all would : | have gotten : | it. I dont think that Ive seen that specific one, so I cant even say its : | anyway associated with the list. : : : : : On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 23:13:58 -0500 : : Linux Rocks ! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: : | Hal, : | While I sympathize with getting spam, its not going through this : | list. Its : | possible that your email address was harvested via the web archive, but I : | see no evidence of that. : : : ___ : EuG-LUG mailing list : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug -- We can use symlinks of course... syslogd would be a symlink to syslogp and ftpd and ircd would be linked to ftpp and ircp... and of course the point-to-point protocal paenguin. -- Kevin M. Bealer, commenting on the penguin Linux logo ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug] I am getting SP***M - I apologize,...
Not a nit, Jamie, cool down. I *did* ask to be forgiven if I was mistaken... and I think you are not being aware of a new physical person who has moved into the area, Hal Pomeranz, whom I assumed you were mistakenly addressing. And it has been months since I nitted you anyway -- how long do you harbor grudges? Sorry for the internal banter, folks. Let's get back to Free Software issues, yea: There's a review of a tight new mini-server, compact but overpriced IMHO: http://www.sudhian.com/showdocs.cfm?aid=471 The Australian Capital area going for a new open source bill: http://slashdot.org/articles/03/12/10/239.shtml A new IE vulnerbility which hides the actual site being accessed: http://slashdot.org/articles/03/12/11/1319212.shtml Yesterday, an interesting ask-slashdot about tivo: http://ask.slashdot.org/askslashdot/03/12/10/1953220.shtml And for you old-timers, enjoy the articles aout kermit on ISS: http://science.slashdot.org/science/03/12/10/1957244.shtml cheers all, Ben PS - we are reflections... of ourselves. On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 12:19:13 -0500 Linux Rocks ! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Ben, | Hal has been a member of eug-lug since way before you joined. He | doesnt write | the list as often as you or I, but that doesnt make him any less(or new) | of a member. | I havnt seen him at any meetings lately, but then I havnt seen you | at any | either, but maybe if you made some of the meetings/clinics you would | remember him. He's actually a fun guy. | He often signs his email Hal, which is why I used that, If Hal had | a | problem with it, dont you think Hal would have said something? | Please ceass your picking of nits with me, I for one have been tired | of it | for months now. | | Jamie | | On Thursday 11 December 2003 11:40 am, Ben Barrett wrote: | : Jamie, please note that Hal is a newcomer to our list and the Eugene | area,: while Harald is a separate person... forgive me if you've always | called: Harald Hal for short. | : | : Regards to Hal and Harald, | : | :Ben | : | : | : | : On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 00:52:21 -0500 | : | : Linux Rocks ! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | : | Hal, | : | If the spam you received had gone through the list, we all would | : | have gotten | : | it. I dont think that Ive seen that specific one, so I cant even say | its: | anyway associated with the list. | : | : | : | : | : On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 23:13:58 -0500 | : | : Linux Rocks ! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | : | Hal, | : | While I sympathize with getting spam, its not going through this | : | list. Its | : | possible that your email address was harvested via the web archive, | but I: | see no evidence of that. | : ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug] I am getting SP***M - I apologize,...
Nice... so now Im hot, and holding grudges... I assure you ben, Im quite calm. I dont think Im holding any grudges or anything, but then again, its not like you've ever aplogized or anything either. I have noticed that usually when you make a comment to me, its critical, an not really warrented. why is that? In your last messge, you had the oportunity to say, oh, I made a mistake, thought you were talking about another member... but instead you decided to get defensive (claiming you *did* ask for forgiveness), and you went even further to by calling me hot, and holding a grudge. This is actually the opposite of an appology isnt it. In general, I think your a good guy, but I have noticed that you tend to jump on even the slighest opportunity to complain or nit. Have I given you some reasont to want to be that way toward me? Jamie On Thursday 11 December 2003 12:53 pm, Ben Barrett wrote: : Not a nit, Jamie, cool down. I *did* ask to be forgiven if I was : mistaken... and I think you are not being aware of a new physical person : who has moved into the area, Hal Pomeranz, whom I assumed you were : mistakenly addressing. : And it has been months since I nitted you anyway -- how long do you : harbor grudges? : Sorry for the internal banter, folks. Let's get back to Free Software : issues, yea: : : There's a review of a tight new mini-server, compact but overpriced IMHO: : http://www.sudhian.com/showdocs.cfm?aid=471 : : The Australian Capital area going for a new open source bill: : http://slashdot.org/articles/03/12/10/239.shtml : : A new IE vulnerbility which hides the actual site being accessed: : http://slashdot.org/articles/03/12/11/1319212.shtml : : Yesterday, an interesting ask-slashdot about tivo: : http://ask.slashdot.org/askslashdot/03/12/10/1953220.shtml : : And for you old-timers, enjoy the articles aout kermit on ISS: : http://science.slashdot.org/science/03/12/10/1957244.shtml : : : cheers all, : : Ben : : PS - we are reflections... of ourselves. : : : On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 12:19:13 -0500 : : Linux Rocks ! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: : | Ben, : | Hal has been a member of eug-lug since way before you joined. He : | doesnt write : | the list as often as you or I, but that doesnt make him any less(or new) : | of a member. : | I havnt seen him at any meetings lately, but then I havnt seen you : | at any : | either, but maybe if you made some of the meetings/clinics you would : | remember him. He's actually a fun guy. : | He often signs his email Hal, which is why I used that, If Hal had : | a : | problem with it, dont you think Hal would have said something? : | Please ceass your picking of nits with me, I for one have been tired : | of it : | for months now. : | : | Jamie : | : | On Thursday 11 December 2003 11:40 am, Ben Barrett wrote: : | : Jamie, please note that Hal is a newcomer to our list and the Eugene : | : | area,: while Harald is a separate person... forgive me if you've always : | called: Harald Hal for short. : | : | : Regards to Hal and Harald, : | : : | :Ben : | : : | : : | : : | : On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 00:52:21 -0500 : | : : | : Linux Rocks ! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: : | : | Hal, : | : | If the spam you received had gone through the list, we all would : | : | have gotten : | : | it. I dont think that Ive seen that specific one, so I cant even say : | : | its: | anyway associated with the list. : | : | : : | : : | : : | : On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 23:13:58 -0500 : | : : | : Linux Rocks ! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: : | : | Hal, : | : | While I sympathize with getting spam, its not going through this : | : | list. Its : | : | possible that your email address was harvested via the web archive, : | : | but I: | see no evidence of that. : : ___ : EuG-LUG mailing list : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug -- ...[Linux's] capacity to talk via any medium except smoke signals. -- Dr. Greg Wettstein, Roger Maris Cancer Center ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug] I am getting SP***M - I apologize,...
Hey guys how about you take this personal discussion off list? Cory -- Cory Petkovsek Adapting Information Adaptable IT ConsultingTechnology to your (541) 914-8417 business [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.AdaptableIT.com ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug] I am getting SP***M - I apologize,...
Because of the number of messages I'm rejecting to this and other lists from [EMAIL PROTECTED] (and quite a few others @msn.com) I'm guessing that yet another worm is out infecting Windows and targeting userIDs with spam. Perversely, I doubt any of these actually originate @msn.com, but it's a nice, handy domain to blame the spam on. (Purely speculative, I don't see an easy header to support this). Obviously, all we need to do is convince ninety five percent of the world's computer users to change operating systems to something not creating such a lucrative (and vulnerable) monopoly. Can we get back to subverting the dominant paradigms now? -- Ed Craig[EMAIL PROTECTED] Taxi (I need an income) GNU/Linux (I can afford a Free OS) Think this through with me, let me know your mind...Hunter/Garcia ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
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Sorry... :( Jamie On Thursday 11 December 2003 01:51 pm, Cory Petkovsek wrote: : Hey guys how about you take this personal discussion off list? : : Cory -- Even more amazing was the realization that God has Internet access. I wonder if He has a full newsfeed? -- Matt Welsh ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug] I am getting SP***M - I apologize,...
I also get a large amount of spam that IS trapped by spamassassin. I don't believe that my spam assassin settings have anything to do with this, other than the fact that spamassassin is enabled on my account, and has been since the very beginning of the efn implementation. All other email I get at my efn address is marked by spamassassin one way or the other (spam or not spam). As I mentioned below, there are No spamassassin headers in the spam I am talking about. I guess my complete question, away from any specific account is as follows. Why would a spamassassin setup such as efn.org's completely miss 3-10 spam emails a day, where miss is defined as not process at all. Darren Hayes wrote: See today's EFN message about spam announce from EFN Sysadmin on how to configure individualized spam filtering. Way to go EFN! (If you don't have an EFN account please disregard). - Original Message - From: Christopher Maujean [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Eugene Unix and GNU/Linux User Group's mail list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 1:49 AM Subject: Re: [eug-lug] I am getting SP***M - I apologize,... I have been getting a fair amount of spam in my efn inbox that looks like it is not being processed by the spam servers (no spamassassin headers). How are these getting through, and how would I plug up that hole? I'm considering spamassassin for my mail server and need to know how to deal with the issues. Any spamassassin experts want to jump in and give us a quick dissertation? Thanks, Christopher Maujean Linux Rocks ! wrote: Hal, If the spam you received had gone through the list, we all would have gotten it. I dont think that Ive seen that specific one, so I cant even say its anyway associated with the list. Ironicly, the email address I usually use on this list gets less spam than any other email address I use! I dont really see the list, or its archives as beeing an issue for spam. My EFN account gets a ton of spam however. Ive had that account since 1995, and the rocksolidnetworks address since 1999, so it just may be a matter of one address being used more than the other, and around for a longer period of time. I also only use the linux email address for mailing lists (both here in the DC area, and back home in eugene. The linux address is also not included in mailto: links on my webpage, but other address's that do get a lot of spam are.. At anyrate, your always welcome to express concerns... sorry we couldnt nail the source of your spam, but I havnt seen any effective way to do anything about it... filtering is about your only option. Jamie On Thursday 11 December 2003 12:12 am, Harald Sundt wrote: : ...I am not certain why these things work the way they do, but if you : say it ain't the List, then I retract my cracked and yellow parrot's : beak of peak. : : : H : ___ : EuG-LUG mailing list : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug] I am getting SP***M - I apologize,...
because it can be overwhelmed, if all three spamassassin boxes are chugging away and aren't returning an answer within 10sec procmail will just assume spamd is unavailable and default to delivering the mail. I'd like to try something like SPF http://spf.pobox.com because SA, while surprisingly good for an expert system, is not a complete solution to the problem of spam. For a solution to work, it needs to be 1. standards based 2. unilaterally implementable (i can implement it and get some benefit, you don't get the benefit but aren't actively harmed by it if you choose not to implement) 3. not centralised (if I have to pay USD 300 per year to verisign just to send email, I will share my pain ) On Thursday, December 11, 2003, at 12:47 PM, Christopher Maujean wrote: I also get a large amount of spam that IS trapped by spamassassin. I don't believe that my spam assassin settings have anything to do with this, other than the fact that spamassassin is enabled on my account, and has been since the very beginning of the efn implementation. All other email I get at my efn address is marked by spamassassin one way or the other (spam or not spam). As I mentioned below, there are No spamassassin headers in the spam I am talking about. I guess my complete question, away from any specific account is as follows. Why would a spamassassin setup such as efn.org's completely miss 3-10 spam emails a day, where miss is defined as not process at all. Darren Hayes wrote: See today's EFN message about spam announce from EFN Sysadmin on how to configure individualized spam filtering. Way to go EFN! (If you don't have an EFN account please disregard). - Original Message - From: Christopher Maujean [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Eugene Unix and GNU/Linux User Group's mail list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 1:49 AM Subject: Re: [eug-lug] I am getting SP***M - I apologize,... I have been getting a fair amount of spam in my efn inbox that looks like it is not being processed by the spam servers (no spamassassin headers). How are these getting through, and how would I plug up that hole? I'm considering spamassassin for my mail server and need to know how to deal with the issues. Any spamassassin experts want to jump in and give us a quick dissertation? Thanks, Christopher Maujean Linux Rocks ! wrote: Hal, If the spam you received had gone through the list, we all would have gotten it. I dont think that Ive seen that specific one, so I cant even say its anyway associated with the list. Ironicly, the email address I usually use on this list gets less spam than any other email address I use! I dont really see the list, or its archives as beeing an issue for spam. My EFN account gets a ton of spam however. Ive had that account since 1995, and the rocksolidnetworks address since 1999, so it just may be a matter of one address being used more than the other, and around for a longer period of time. I also only use the linux email address for mailing lists (both here in the DC area, and back home in eugene. The linux address is also not included in mailto: links on my webpage, but other address's that do get a lot of spam are.. At anyrate, your always welcome to express concerns... sorry we couldnt nail the source of your spam, but I havnt seen any effective way to do anything about it... filtering is about your only option. Jamie On Thursday 11 December 2003 12:12 am, Harald Sundt wrote: : ...I am not certain why these things work the way they do, but if you : say it ain't the List, then I retract my cracked and yellow parrot's : beak of peak. : : : H : ___ : EuG-LUG mailing list : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug -- You are the eventuality of an anomaly , which despite my sincerest efforts I have been unable to eliminate from what is otherwise a harmony of mathematical precision. -The Architect Microsoft has resolved this issue. We have put processes in place to ensure there is no recurrence of this eventuality. -Microsoft ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
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Larry Price wrote: I'd like to try something like SPF http://spf.pobox.com I'm sending SPF on two domains (jogger-egg.com and kbobsoft.com), but I haven't been brave enough yet to start using it to reject mail. -- Bob Miller Kbob kbobsoft software consulting http://kbobsoft.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
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...I am not certain why these things work the way they do, but if you say it ain't the List, then I retract my cracked and yellow parrot's beak of peak. H ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
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Hal,
If the spam you received had gone through the list, we all would have gotten
it. I dont think that Ive seen that specific one, so I cant even say its
anyway associated with the list.
Ironicly, the email address I usually use on this list gets less spam than
any other email address I use! I dont really see the list, or its archives as
beeing an issue for spam.
My EFN account gets a ton of spam however. Ive had that account since 1995,
and the rocksolidnetworks address since 1999, so it just may be a matter of
one address being used more than the other, and around for a longer period of
time. I also only use the linux email address for mailing lists (both here in
the DC area, and back home in eugene. The linux address is also not included
in mailto: links on my webpage, but other address's that do get a lot of spam
are..
At anyrate, your always welcome to express concerns... sorry we couldnt nail
the source of your spam, but I havnt seen any effective way to do anything
about it... filtering is about your only option.
Jamie
On Thursday 11 December 2003 12:12 am, Harald Sundt wrote:
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