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Re: [EuroPython] Bazaar sprint report (was Fwd: Birmingham sprint report)
Thanks for circulating the report, very interesting! It gives some sense of what happens on a sprint, which I've always wondered. I'd like to participate on one in future. Well done all, and best regards, Andreas On Tue, 7 Jul 2009 14:39:23 +1000 Jonathan Lange wrote: > I just sent this sprint report to the Bazaar mailing list. Forwarded > here for your reading pleasure. > > -- Forwarded message -- > From: Jonathan Lange > Date: Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 1:44 PM > Subject: Birmingham sprint report > To: Bazaar > > > The first ever Bazaar sprint in the first ever Birmingham is well and truly > over. Here's the low-down. > > Attendees: > Jonathan Lange (jml) > Wouter van Heyst (LarstiQ) > Andy Kilner (gnublade) > Russel Winder (russel) > Stephen Emslie (semslie) > Szilveszter Farkas (phanatic) > > The sprint went ran on the Friday and Saturday after EuroPython 2009. > > As you might remember, the goal of the sprint was to work on cool UI stuff: > bling, papercuts, little annoying fixes, simple obvious missing features etc. > > We stuck pretty well to this goal. Here's roughly what got done: > > * Fixed #217031, "bzr launchpad-login -v MYNAME" gives no feedback (jml) > > * Fixed a tilde -> %7E URL translation glitch (gnublade) > > * Released 1.16.1 for OS X & documented how to do it. (szi) > > * Fixed up supported Python version info in bzr (russel) > > * Provided a patch for bug #213185, tag conflicts do not change exit code. > (gnublade) > > * Fixed ugly exception being raised on network error in bug #247958 (jml) > > * Submitted patch for #84659, it's been rejected but the bug has moved > forward. (jml) > > * Updated subvertpy ppa. (LarstiQ) > > > And here are some things that we need your help with, still: > > * Submitted RFC patch for LP API support. Still waiting on replies. (jml) > > * Submitted RFC patch for fixing the URL that remote smart servers suggest > for break-lock. The patch has had replies, but is still waiting on > _something_ -- a firm "yes" perhaps? (LarstiQ) > > * Worked on bug #308472, getting 'info' to show the server version. Not sure > what state the bug is in now, I'm pretty sure Stephen sent a patch. > (gnublade, semslie) > > * I have "#183089 (gnublade)" but I have no idea what that means. > > Apologies if I've missed anyone or anything. Please correct me if I have! > > I also cheated a little and submitted a patch to Launchpad which will make the > public API way more useful for Bazaar. > > Some other things: > > * It was particularly exciting for me to see Andy & Stephen dig into the > details of Bazaar and get all the way to submitting patches. > > * It would have been nice to have an easier way of finding easy bugs to fix. > I sent an email to list about it, and I think it's been resolved (when > tagging with 'easy', always explain how to fix the bug). > > * I was a little surprised to notice that people are running Bazaar 1.13 by > default, since that's the version of Bazaar that ships with Jaunty. > > * At the EuroPython conference, Geoff Bache asked me about a patch of his > that has been languishing without review. I couldn't find this patch on > Launchpad or BundleBuggy, but then stumbled across bug 183831. There are > 38 bugs that have patches[1]. > > * We had quite a few interruptions from people at other sprints who were > interested in Bazaar or Launchpad. > > * I regularly mispronounced Wouter's name as "Jelmer". I'm an idiot. > > * The coffee was terrible and the beer was very tasty. > > > I had a lot of fun. Thanks to the attendees and to the EuroPython organizers. > > jml > > [1] > https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/bzr/+bugs?field.has_patch.used=&field.has_patch=on > ___ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython - www.Soundience.com -- Making sense of complexity ___ EuroPython mailing list EuroPython@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
Re: [EuroPython] [PyCon-Organizers] Speaker wanted! :)
Jeff Rush wrote: > A.M. Kuchling wrote: >> On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 07:13:20AM -0400, Catherine Devlin wrote: >>> On the general topic of helping conferences and speakers find each >>> other, that's the intent of this wiki page: >>> >>> http://wiki.python.org/moin/PythonSpeakers >>> >>> ... which, granted, hasn't really achieved critical mass yet. I'd >>> planned to spam all this year's PyCon speakers with invitations to >>> sign themselves up, but... uh. > > I'm not sure I'd say that. Being a speaker at PyCon doesn't mean you > are looking for future gigs or that you speak professionally. I > wouldn't expect everyone who spoke at any Python event to sign up as a > speaker. > > >> Before doing that -- is a wiki the right place for this info? Would >> it be better to use some service that would provide tagging and >> geographical searching? But I have no idea what service would be >> suitable; neither LinkedIn nor Facebook seem right or offer the right >> features. > > A wiki is not ideal but no one has found a site with the features or > legal rules (there are sites for A-class professional speakers) we need. > There have been at least two efforts to sprint on it to create one, > using the Google AppEngine. Both failed to sustain momentum, similar > to how the Python Jobs App died. If anyone tackles this, get the notes > from me. > > The children of the cobbler continue to go without shoes, and I continue > to have people ask me why if Python is so cool for webapps do the basic > needs of the community go unmet? "People are busy" while accurate seems > a poor response. > I asked much the same question at both PyCon and EuroPython (with a rather more positive response at the latter, I might add, possibly due to the talk being a plenary). See "ThePSFAndUs.pdf" on http://wiki.europython2009.eu/TalkMaterials I believe it's up to the PSF to advertise this need until it gets filled. If necessary I'll threaten to have PHP programmers do it ;-) regards Steve -- Steve Holden +1 571 484 6266 +1 800 494 3119 Holden Web LLC http://www.holdenweb.com/ Watch PyCon on video now! http://pycon.blip.tv/ ___ EuroPython mailing list EuroPython@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
Re: [EuroPython] unsubscribe
Is there any mailing list software anywhere where sending 'unsubscribe' to the _list_ address will unsubscribe you? -Nick Johnson On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 7:48 PM, David Charles wrote: > > > David Charles > CTO Abilisoft Ltd > www.abilisoft.com > (T) +44 (0)1525 721 700 > (M) +44 (0)7920 582 654 > (F) +44 (0)0871 266 4230 > > ___ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython > -- Nick Johnson, App Engine Developer Programs Engineer Google Ireland Ltd. :: Registered in Dublin, Ireland, Registration Number: 368047 ___ EuroPython mailing list EuroPython@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
Re: [EuroPython] unsubscribe
On Tue, Jul 07, 2009 at 12:04:16PM +0100, Nick Johnson wrote: > Is there any mailing list software anywhere where sending > 'unsubscribe' to the _list_ address will unsubscribe you? I think Mailman has an option to intercept and handle administrative commands sent to the list address. Marius Gedminas -- Undergraduates owe their happiness chiefly to the fact that they are no longer at school...The nonsense which was knocked out of them at school is all gently put back at Oxford or Cambridge -- Sir Max Beerbohm (1872-1956) signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ EuroPython mailing list EuroPython@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
Re: [EuroPython] unsubscribe
Marius Gedminas wrote: On Tue, Jul 07, 2009 at 12:04:16PM +0100, Nick Johnson wrote: Is there any mailing list software anywhere where sending 'unsubscribe' to the _list_ address will unsubscribe you? I think Mailman has an option to intercept and handle administrative commands sent to the list address. Does it implements this: http://bash.org/?4281 Chris :-) -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope & Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk ___ EuroPython mailing list EuroPython@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
Re: [EuroPython] [PyCon-Organizers] Speaker wanted! :)
On Tuesday 07 July 2009 12:51:42 Steve Holden wrote: > Jeff Rush wrote: > > > > The children of the cobbler continue to go without shoes, and I continue > > to have people ask me why if Python is so cool for webapps do the basic > > needs of the community go unmet? "People are busy" while accurate seems > > a poor response. The saying about the cobbler is something I'd expect Steve to say. :-) > I asked much the same question at both PyCon and EuroPython (with a > rather more positive response at the latter, I might add, possibly due > to the talk being a plenary). See "ThePSFAndUs.pdf" on > > http://wiki.europython2009.eu/TalkMaterials > > I believe it's up to the PSF to advertise this need until it gets > filled. If necessary I'll threaten to have PHP programmers do it ;-) I was going to have a few words with you about this at EuroPython, Steve, especially after your talk, but I didn't manage to track you down at the right point. The problem with all these Web-related activities is that people approach them from a "Soviet" perspective and after having wiped the slate clean (or pushed all the toys off the table - choose a metaphor!), the result is usually a top-down solution with very few engaged participants. Meanwhile, a bunch of other people are usually plotting to replace the existing solution with another developed in much the same fashion. The result is a large number of dissatisfied people complaining about everything and anything, in my experience, even if the solution is actually usable and not actively detested by most people. As far as python.org is concerned, there is already a solution that involves a fair number of people: the wiki.python.org part of the site. Just as we see with the EuroPython site, that's where most of the action is, and the sensible thing would be to emphasize it instead of pretending that it isn't a "proper site" and then developing a custom solution that won't be properly maintained. I've recently helped another organisation already using MoinMoin with the behind-the-scenes theme code and useful extensions, and the EuroPython Wiki theme developer has already offered his work for python.org use, so the pieces are already there to use. If Bruce Eckel sees the point of using a Wiki instead of the combination of Sphinx and a version control system [1] - arguably a "developer mindset" take on what some would call a "proper site" - surely there's some merit in going in the direction already shown by wiki.python.org after all. Paul [1] http://www.artima.com/weblogs/viewpost.jsp?thread=261930 ___ EuroPython mailing list EuroPython@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
Re: [EuroPython] [PyCon-Organizers] Speaker wanted! :)
Paul Boddie wrote: > On Tuesday 07 July 2009 12:51:42 Steve Holden wrote: >> Jeff Rush wrote: >>> The children of the cobbler continue to go without shoes, and I continue >>> to have people ask me why if Python is so cool for webapps do the basic >>> needs of the community go unmet? "People are busy" while accurate seems >>> a poor response. > > The saying about the cobbler is something I'd expect Steve to say. :-) > >> I asked much the same question at both PyCon and EuroPython (with a >> rather more positive response at the latter, I might add, possibly due >> to the talk being a plenary). See "ThePSFAndUs.pdf" on >> >> http://wiki.europython2009.eu/TalkMaterials >> >> I believe it's up to the PSF to advertise this need until it gets >> filled. If necessary I'll threaten to have PHP programmers do it ;-) > > I was going to have a few words with you about this at EuroPython, Steve, > especially after your talk, but I didn't manage to track you down at the > right point. > > The problem with all these Web-related activities is that people approach > them > from a "Soviet" perspective and after having wiped the slate clean (or pushed > all the toys off the table - choose a metaphor!), the result is usually a > top-down solution with very few engaged participants. Meanwhile, a bunch of > other people are usually plotting to replace the existing solution with > another developed in much the same fashion. The result is a large number of > dissatisfied people complaining about everything and anything, in my > experience, even if the solution is actually usable and not actively detested > by most people. > > As far as python.org is concerned, there is already a solution that involves > a > fair number of people: the wiki.python.org part of the site. Just as we see > with the EuroPython site, that's where most of the action is, and the > sensible thing would be to emphasize it instead of pretending that it isn't > a "proper site" and then developing a custom solution that won't be properly > maintained. I've recently helped another organisation already using MoinMoin > with the behind-the-scenes theme code and useful extensions, and the > EuroPython Wiki theme developer has already offered his work for python.org > use, so the pieces are already there to use. > > If Bruce Eckel sees the point of using a Wiki instead of the combination of > Sphinx and a version control system [1] - arguably a "developer mindset" take > on what some would call a "proper site" - surely there's some merit in going > in the direction already shown by wiki.python.org after all. > > Paul > > [1] http://www.artima.com/weblogs/viewpost.jsp?thread=261930 > > > Paul: Yes, EuroPython was a blast but it went by far too fast! I agree there's a lot to be said for maintaining Wiki content as a group, and much of the Wiki content is successfully being so managed. But if we want to make the web site a portal, then we can't *just* use a wiki. The intent, though, is the same: democratize the web content and try to open up the maintenance task to a wider group. None of this gainsays the work of the existing volunteers, and I am sure that many of them will also have ideas about how the site can be incrementally improved to include dynamic content and much more linkage to community-based and project-based activities not necessarily directly related to core Python development, but nevertheless relevant to the PSF's mission. regards Steve -- Steve Holden +1 571 484 6266 +1 800 494 3119 Holden Web LLC http://www.holdenweb.com/ Watch PyCon on video now! http://pycon.blip.tv/ ___ EuroPython mailing list EuroPython@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
