[EVDL] EVLN: Incentives make buying a new EV better than buying used
http://green.autoblog.com/2014/08/14/why-leasing-a-new-ev-is-better-than-buying-used/ Why a new EV is better than buying used By Danny King Aug 14th 2014 [images http://green.autoblog.com/photos/2013-nissan-leaf-0/ gallery - Nissan Leaf ] The old saying goes that when you buy a used car, you're buying somebody else's problems. And when it comes to electric vehicles, you're also not getting the benefit of any purchase tax breaks. Maybe you should just lease a new one. That's the conclusion of a new article in Wired, which compares leasing a new Nissan Leaf battery-electric vehicle to buying a two-year-old version with about 33,000 miles on it. Turns out, leasing comes out way ahead. A $2,400 down payment will procure a 36-month lease at $199 a month. Meanwhile, a two-year-old Leaf with a $15,000 Kelley Blue Book value will cost more than $300 a month to finance. Much of the reason for the lower lease rate is that the $7,500 federal tax credit is baked into the lease terms, whereas a second-hand EV doesn't provide that benefit. Maybe that helps explain why more new Leafs are going out of the showroom doors than ever. Through July, US Leaf sales had surged 35 percent from a year earlier to 15,755 units. Last month alone, Leaf sales jumped 62 percent to 3,019 vehicles. Soon, Wired's numbers will get to be put to the test in a big way, as lots of 2011 Nissan Leaf EVs and Chevrolet Volt plug-in hybrids finish up their initial three-year lease terms and hitting the used-car market. We'll see how those Blue Book values hold up then. [© 2014 AOL] http://www.wired.com/2014/08/why-its-cheaper-to-lease-a-new-electric-car-than-to-buy-one-used/ Why It’s Cheaper to Lease a New Electric Car Than to Buy One Used By Jordan Golson 08.11.14 [image http://www.wired.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/ev-leaf-inline.jpg Nissan Leaf. Karlis Dambrans/Flickr ] The high price of electric cars is one of the issues holding them back from widespread adoption. But if you think you can get around paying the extra cash by picking up a used ride, think again. In many cases, buying someone’s old EV isn’t any cheaper than getting a new one. It comes down to the government’s preferred way of encouraging people to drive EVs: tax credits. The federal credit is $7,500. That’s a bottom-line credit, so if you’re not paying at least that much in federal taxes, you’re not getting the full benefit. (Various states offer different credits, or none at all.) That leads people to lease EVs instead. The financing company that buys the new car from the automaker gets the full tax credit, so it can pass those savings to the lessee in the form of lower monthly payments. That’s why you can get a new Nissan Leaf for $2,400 down and $199 a month for 36 months. It’s hard for used EVs to compete with lease rates this low, because the tax credit isn’t passed down. Kelley Blue Book estimates a 2012 Leaf with 33,000 miles on the odometer will sell for $15,000. If you put down 10 percent on a 4-year term at 4 percent interest, you’re paying $305 a month. Throw in the fact that we don’t have a good handle on how EV batteries degrade over time (though most have good warranties), and there’s no reason not to grab a new one. That being said, the EV market as a whole is very young. We’ve focused on the Leaf here because it’s the only fully electric, non-luxury car that’s been sold nationwide for the past few years, so it’s the only used EV most people can buy today. (There is a used market for the Tesla Model S, but mostly because some buyers don’t feel like waiting several months to get a new one.) We should have more data soon. The first Chevy Volt and Nissan Leaf models bought in 2011 are coming off their three-year lease terms, which will give us a better idea of how the used electric market will take shape. Even then, it will only tell us about the used market for two car models. “Nissan Leaf used car values say a lot about the value of the Leaf, or maybe any 80-mile range EV” noted electric vehicle advocate Chelsea Sexton. There are “no reasonable conclusions to draw in terms of market appetite for used EVs.” [© 2014 Condé Nast] For all EVLN posts use: http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/template/NamlServlet.jtp?macro=search_pagenode=413529query=evlnsort=date http://www.torquenews.com/1080/rolls-royce-enters-video-games-wraith-now-forza-motorsport-5 Formula E racer enters in anticipated Forza-Motorsport5 video-game http://www.independent.ie/life/motoring/car-news/coast-to-coast-in-the-zoe-my-electriccar-drive-diary-30509734.html Driving a ZOE EV on an eventful UK coast2coast-Dublin2Galway journey http://www.motortorque.com/renault/twizy-reviews/renault-twizy-review-25943 £6.9k Renault Twizy review the cheapest EV on the market http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1093873_electric-boats-as-in-cars-electric-propulsion-offers-advantages-on-the-water Electric Boats Battery Power Offers Advantages On The Water
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Vehicle-apartheid! RI law punishes EV hybrid drivers
This supposed electrocution hazard posed by electric vehicles is an
all too common myth.
First off, commercial EVs have an inertia switch which cuts the main
contractors at the pack. You are in a wreck, the power is automatically
cut off by the inertia switch. The only component with HV is the
traction battery itself.
Second, electricity wants to flow from one terminal of the battery to
the other terminal. It is an isolated battery, rather than a grounded
grid system. How would a fireman insert himself into such an isolated
circuit? A grid based grounded system its pretty easy to insert
yourself, but how do you get current to flow through _you_ by simply
cutting into an EV? The blade might short two wires of opposite
polarity, but current would flow though the blade only, not the fireman.
Bill D.
On 8/20/2014 1:21 AM, brucedp5 via EV wrote:
% Simple dealer provided stickers will do (like for HOV lane access). The
law does not apply to fcvs: since when do fcvs not have high-voltages? ...
This ignorantly badly written, and poorly implemented 'separate
not-equal' law incorrectly labels EVs hybrids as extraordinarily
dangerous, as if volatile chemical-fuel is not, plus puts the burden of
responder-safety on the driver at an additional cost. This issue is a
vehicle-manufacturer responsibility: to each have common locations for
high-voltage wiring, like the way fuel-tanks and fuel lines are commonly
located on ice %
http://www.abc6.com/story/26316308/new-license-plate-may-help-save-lives
New license plate may help save lives
Aug 19, 2014 By Alana Cerrone
A new license plate may help protect first responders from accidentally
electrocuting themselves during accident rescues involving electric
vehicles.
The bill signed into law by Gov. Lincoln Chafee last month requires electric
vehicle owners to have a special license plate so that first responders,
emergency crews, and even two truck drivers know it is electric.
Knowing if a vehicle is electric will help crews decide which instrument is
appropriate to use to rescue people trapped inside.
“It is not very well-known that rescue workers can get electrocuted from
using jaws of life on an electric vehicle, but when that information came to
light I wanted us to be proactive about the issue,” said Senator Edward
O'Neill, who sponsored the law.
The law applies to electric and also hybrid vehicle owners.
[© WLNE-TV 2014]
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http://www.valleybreeze.com/2014-08-06/woonsocket-north-smithfield/state-creates-new-plates-electric-vehicles#.U-eA4mOTKHM
State creates new plates for electric vehicles
8/6/2014
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http://insideevs.com/rhode-island-issues-special-license-plates-electric-vehicles-protect-first-responders/
... create special license plates for electric vehicles? ...
http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/showthread.php/28152-Are-EV-License-Plates-Dangerous-to-Occupants-of-a-Tesla
Thread: Are EV License Plates Dangerous to Occupants of a Tesla
2014-03-01
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http://webserver.rilin.state.ri.us/BillText/BillText14/SenateText14/S2120A.pdf
2014-S 2120 SUBSTITUTE A ...
'a registration plate for motor vehicles powered in whole or in part by a
storage battery.'
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http://www.rilin.state.ri.us/pressrelease/_layouts/RIL.PressRelease.ListStructure/Forms/DisplayForm.aspx?List=c8baae31-3c10-431c-8dcd-9dbbe21ce3e9ID=10091
7/31/2014 Electric vehicle license plates will protect first responders,
rescue service workers
STATE HOUSE ... The special registration plate will apply to hybrids in
addition to electric vehicles. Senators Marc A. Cote (D-Dist. 24,
Woonsocket, North Smithfield), Paul W. Fogarty (D-Dist. 23, Glocester,
Burrillville, North Smithfield), Nicholas D. Kettle (R-Dist. 21, Coventry,
Foster, Scituate, West Greenwich) and James E. Doyle II (D-Dist. 8,
Pawtucket) cosponsored the legislation.
For more information, contact:
Brenna McCabe, Publicist
State House Room 20
Providence, RI 02903
(401) 222-2457
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Venturi to realize 600+ km/h electric speed record
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Julie Wrigley’s sleek, chewing-gum red Tesla-S EV
http://www.ibtimes.com/tesla-norway-436-model-s-sedans-are-being-delivered-monthly-teslas-largest-overseas-market-1658946
436 Tesla-S Delivered Monthly In Norway it’s Largest Overseas Market
http://www.greatfallstribune.com/story/life/2014/08/14/missoula-family-seeks-record-longest-bike-ride/14087677/
Missoula family seeks record for longest Electric bicycle ride
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Tesla adds 50th Euro Supercharger EVSE @Narbonne, France
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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Vehicle-apartheid! RI law punishes EV hybrid drivers
Funny, I phoned the council not long ago to ask them to do something about speeding cars in the rural dead end street past my house. They said they would only do it if someone was killed or injured. I know of other similar events where people were killed before they changed anything. It's all based on statistics. How many of the general population have been electrocuted by electric cars? -Original Message- From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Bill Dube via EV Sent: Thursday, 21 August 2014 8:24 p.m. To: brucedp5; Electric Vehicle Discussion List Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Vehicle-apartheid! RI law punishes EV hybrid drivers This supposed electrocution hazard posed by electric vehicles is an all too common myth. First off, commercial EVs have an inertia switch which cuts the main contractors at the pack. You are in a wreck, the power is automatically cut off by the inertia switch. The only component with HV is the traction battery itself. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Vehicle-apartheid! RI law punishes EV hybrid drivers
George, This seems typical of what is required to make major changes to highway intersections, example... the requisite number of deaths. And sometimes, it's not just one... There was a wye intersection between two highways near my house growing up that had to have a log truck take out a car full of kids, after several other smaller fatal wrecks, before they changed it to a T with a stop sign for one direction. I have not heard any instances yet of an emergency responder being electrocuted by a hybrid or an EV. I know the local fire departments here have done training specifically on Prius's a few years ago when they were getting popular. There was a chopped apart, set on fire, prius in the lot in front of one of the training facilities for a while, sparking rumors from people who drove by and didn't know why it was there that Prius's explode while parked, though. Similarly, we tried a few years ago to get a solar license through the state department of regulatory agencies... since the solar industry was starting to boom and we were concerned about quality of the installation by untrained people. Their answer was that there hadn't been any serious complaint about quality yet, and no one had been killed, so there was no need for a license. Well... there still haven't been any serious injuries or deaths that I know about, but quality is definitely been a sore point in this state, partially because you do not need any license (other than a state licensed electrician to sign off on it, but that only covers about 25% of the system). Zeke On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 3:35 AM, George Tyler via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Funny, I phoned the council not long ago to ask them to do something about speeding cars in the rural dead end street past my house. They said they would only do it if someone was killed or injured. I know of other similar events where people were killed before they changed anything. It's all based on statistics. How many of the general population have been electrocuted by electric cars? -Original Message- From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Bill Dube via EV Sent: Thursday, 21 August 2014 8:24 p.m. To: brucedp5; Electric Vehicle Discussion List Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Vehicle-apartheid! RI law punishes EV hybrid drivers This supposed electrocution hazard posed by electric vehicles is an all too common myth. First off, commercial EVs have an inertia switch which cuts the main contractors at the pack. You are in a wreck, the power is automatically cut off by the inertia switch. The only component with HV is the traction battery itself. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA ( http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20140821/29b99fdd/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
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Re: [EVDL] EVangel-About: e-Dr. seeks larger/family EV bigger than a bread box
http://www.plugshare.com/?location=44998
Sacramento
Since he liked his Leaf, it was plain that Nissan's env-200 e-Van
http://cleantechnica.com/2014/06/10/sales-nissan-e-nv200-electric-van-begin-october/
http://transportevolved.com/2014/05/06/nissan-e-nv200-electric-van-e-nv200-evalia-electric-minivan-enter-production/
may be a better fit for him. And its availability is just around the
corner.
Another EV item I not get to inform the Dr. of was the different EVSE
brands
and their use-fee rates
http://www.blinknetwork.com/chargers-commercial-dc-fast.html
Blink (owned by ccg)
https://www.blinknetwork.com/membership.html#page=1
http://www.nrgevgo.com/san-francisco-bay-area/
eVgo (owned by nrg)
http://www.nissanusa.com/electric-cars/leaf/charging-range/charging/
Nissan's free charging program
Well, I hope he comes to the eaasv.org EVent so I can help him. That is
what
I look forward to doing for free at each year's show (helping the public
like a good EVangle should).
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