[EVDL] EVLN: ElectraGirl finds VW e-Golf pretty, ... lacking
'Herky, jerky, dodgy driving sales-rep w/ verbal diarrhoea, nil regen, annoying pedestrian warning noise making thingy' = disappointed https://transportevolved.com/2014/11/29/electragirl-something-isnt-right/ ElectraGirl: Something Isn’t Right! November 29, 2014 By ElectraGirl [images https://d2v41vkldk04pc.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/2015-VW-e-Golf-Its-White.jpg It's White... Seriously? https://d2v41vkldk04pc.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/2015-VW-e-Golf-CCS-Charging.jpg The 2015 VW e-Golf comes with CCS DC Fast Charging as standard https://d2v41vkldk04pc.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/2015-VW-e-Golf-Interior.jpg The interior of the 2015 VW e-Golf is European EV Golfness https://d2v41vkldk04pc.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/2015-VW-e-Golf-Front-corner.jpg The 2015 VW e-Golf includes noise fakery https://d2v41vkldk04pc.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/2015-VW-e-Golf-Trunk.jpg The 2015 VW e-Golf includes great cargo space ] Hmmm, Hmmm, Hmmm, something just isn’t right! I was so excited to go and test drive the VW e-Golf, it was going to be great, especially as the VW e-UP was so brilliant. The two were bound to be similar – right? Made by the same company so there were bound to be similarities. So why after test driving the e-Golf, the only thing I have to say is Hmmm? We arrived at the VW dealer and we were met by the ‘knowledgable sales person’. He is knowledgeable because he has been on the course for the VW electric cars. It’s good that VW offer training to the sales guys, let’s hope he knows something. He started with, ‘Electric cars are not new to VW, they have been making them since the 1970’s!’ Okay, moving on… We took a look around the car, it looked really nice, like a VW Golf, obviously! But, it was a white one – you cannot be serious! It was definitely European VW Golfness, it was what we would have expected from VW. It was black inside, which was nice and had black accents, also nice. There were touches of blue here and there which apparently let us know it was electric – I just thought it looked nice! The look and feel of the car was great. The sales guy was desperately trying to tell us everything he could. It sounded like he might have just skimmed his notes before we arrived and memorised the lines – he had verbal diarrhoea. Can we test drive the car now? The sales guy needed to drive the car first – why, I do not know. But, anyway, he drove it out of the car park and put his foot down to show off the ‘torque’, but oh dear that is not how to show off an Electric Car, especially when you then put the brakes on, then put your foot down on the accelerator again. It was too herky, jerky and all I could think was, ‘Is this car going to be sick making?’ Fortunately, after only a few feet of that driving, he pulled over to let my side kick drive. I whispered to my side kick to please drive better than that. After another round of verbal diarrhoea over the this and the that of how everything worked – I mean seriously, please will you stop talking? We wound the regen up to the max and set off. Once out on the main road, my side kick put his foot down and the car started to pick up speed, it was in no hurry though and moved along in its own time. The car rode nicely, there was no sicky feelings so that was very good, thank goodness that was just the sales guys dodgy driving. As we approached some traffic lights, at red, my side kick took his foot off the accelerator expecting the car to slow down – oh dear, hardly any regen and he found himself having to use the brakes. Hang on, what happened to the max regen that we had selected? The sales guy couldn’t offer an explanation. More driving and still not much regen, well this was kind of worrying. After driving the e-UP which had a super regen mode, I would have expected the same of the e-Golf. It gave that impression but didn’t appear to offer it. I like the car but have to say that the lack of regen is a major negative. We have been super spoilt by the amazing regen of the MINI E, the ActiveE, and now the i3, although it doesn’t have quite as much as the ActiveE did, but it’s still up there. Oh and then there was a weird noise that was coming from somewhere in the car. Oh no, they have one of those annoying pedestrian warning noise making thingys. When will they learn that the car is not that quiet and it will make no difference to the majority of peds these days as they just aren’t concentrating as they are often wearing headphones or texting, or both. The majority of the journey home after test driving the VW e-Golf was Hmmm, Hmmm, Hmmm. I could not think of any words to say. The VW e-Golf was just Hmmm. And I so wanted to really, really like it. I am a little disappointed but at least it didn’t make me sick!! If they have been making electric cars since the 1970’s then why didn’t they make a car that electric car drivers want to drive? Give me loads of regen, no
[EVDL] EVLN: INR2.5M 1Megameter Supernova Sports EV r:1Mm ts:150kph
'3 pack/charge options: lead acid8hrs, li-ion 2hrs, supercaps 5min'
http://customstoday.com.pk/indias-indigenously-built-snev-car-covers-1000km-with-single-charge/
India’s indigenously-built SNEV car covers 1,000km with single charge
November 29, 2014
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GUJARAT: A local Indian company has built an electric sports car, Super Nova
Electric Vehicle (SNEV), that can cover 1,000 kilometres with a single
charge of its batteries and at the speed of some 150 kms per hour.
The car, which has already an order list of 250 units, will cost between 1.5
to 2.5 million Indian rupees (24,000 to 40,200 USD).
Soon Gujarat could become the home to the country’s first indigenously
developed electric sports car the Super Nova Electric Vehicle (SNEV). Golden
Arrow Wireless Pvt Ltd, which has developed the car, is looking to have 50
acre land in the state to start manufacturing the car here.
Shashi Vyas, founder of Golden Arrow Wireless, said that the company already
had around 50 acres of land near Raipur in Chattisgarh and has already
signed a memorandum of understanding (MoU) with the state government there
to set up a manufacturing facility. “We are, however, looking at setting up
plants at multiple locations including Delhi, Mumbai, Bangalore, Raipur and
also somewhere in Gujarat,” he added.
Vyas was talking at the sidelines of the first automobile exhibition in
Gujarat, ‘AutoShow Gujarat 2014', where he has showcased the prototype of
his car. The car can achieve a maximum speed of 150 km per hour and
according to Vyas it will come in three battery options, the lead acid,
lithium ion and supercapacitors. “For each charge, the car can go 1,000 kms.
The lead acid version would take eight hours to charge, the lithium ion
battery would take two hours to charge, and the supercapacitors would take
less than five minutes to charge,” he claimed.
Golden Arrow has raised around 5 billion Indian rupees from investors so far
and is looking to raise more funds to start manufacturing the car, which is
awaiting approvals from the Automotive Research Association of India (ARAI).
“We would need around 25 billion rupees to set up the manufacturing sites.
We already have around 250 bookings, and can deliver them by end 2015 if the
ARAI approval comes through,” he said, adding that he has already spent
about 1,000 million rupees on developing the car.
Rashmi Urdhwareshe, director, ARAI said that there were no guidelines to
approve electric sports cars in the country, and that ARAI is in talks with
the Centre to come up with regulatory framework for such cars.
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[Indonesian] 'Super Nova EV', mobil sport elektrik Rp 492 juta buatan India
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[dated] Raman pips Modi on country's first electric sports car project
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[EVDL] ACCIONA 1st L32 EVSE capable EV 2enter Dakar Rally r:350km (video)
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ACCIONA is the first fully electric car to enter Dakar Rally
Tim Biesbrouck December 3, 2014
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ACCIONA Dakar Nov 19, 2014
ACCIONA presents ACCIONA 100% EcoPowered, the first electric car powered
exclusively by clean energy, up for the challenge of the toughest engine
competition in the world: the Dakar Rally.
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ACCIONA is the first team to enter a fully electric car in the prestigious
Dakar Rally. Starting 4th of January in Buenos Aires, pilots Albert Bosch
and Agustín Payá will push the boundaries of their battery electric vehicle
in order to complete a distance of over 9,000 kilometres.
Ambitions to complete the most challenging rally with an electric vehicle
exists for years, but the Spanish firm claims the honour of being first.
They are not new to environment friendly journeys as the trilogy began in
2011 with its sled that reached the South Pole propelled only by a system of
kites and continued its march forward in 2012 by participating in the Vendeé
Globe, on board a sailboat that completed a solo, non-stop, round the world
trip, without using a drop of fossil fuel.
It will be the first time in its 37-year history that Dakar registers a 100%
electric car. Dakar is considered the toughest test in the world for man and
machine and where the average consumption expenditure per participant is
2,250 litres of fuel. ACCIONA won’t need a single drop and will not emit
CO2.
Developing the car has taken more than two years of RD and has counted on
the collaboration of a multidisciplinary team of over 20 people. The purpose
was to reach an optimal balance between electric propulsion technology,
powered entirely by batteries, and the unique characteristics of a racing
car prepared for an extreme adventure such as the Dakar.
How will they do it? A synchronous electric engine equivalent to 300 hp and
which weighs only 80 Kg compared to its internal combustion counterparts
which weigh 280 Kg. A set of 4 removable Lithium Ion battery packs, capable
of storing a total of 140kWH (similar to the contracted capacity of 32
homes) to adequately power the electric motor. Furthermore a system of solar
panels, ensuring the supply of 100% renewable energy to power telemetry and
security systems of the ACCIONA 100% EcoPowered.
Range in race mode has been targeted at 350 kilometres, which would be
sufficient for most special stages. It is anticipated that ACCIONA is able
to switch battery packs during the race (will be confirmed).
Specifications
Class: T1 - “NRJ-Alternative Energy Challenge”
Energy system: range of 350km in race conditions
Battery recharging systems using the electricity network: domestic charging
port (220V), industrial connection (400V) and fast recharging system (50kW)
Total length: 5.05m / total width: 2.18m/ Distance between axles: 3.16m
Height: 1.90m (variable according to shock absorber compression)
Maximum weight: 2,550kg (at maximum energy capacity)
Average weight: 2,100kg (at 75% energy capacity)
Minimum weight: 1,250kg (at 25% energy capacity)
Chassis:Chrome-moly tubing
Bodywork: Extremely strong, light carbon-fibre composite
Motor: Synchronous electric, producing 220kW (300hp) at 6,000rpm
Torque: 700 Nm
Batteries: 140kW/h lithium-ion batteries in 4 removable packs
Solar panel:High-performance panel producing 100Wh
Maximum speed: 150km/h, self-limited electronically
Energy consumption (kWh): from 20 to 45kWh/ 100Km (according to type of
terrain)
CO2 emissions in race: 0 gr.
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Re: [EVDL] BMW street light with charge plug
Hello Cor and all, I charge my EV call Transformer I back in 1978 from a street light circuit that was use for one street light that was behind our building. It was a single circuit of 120/240 vac 60 hz that came from a single phase transformer across the street from the transformer. No other lighting taps came off this transformer. The transformer had a rating of 5KVA. So about 5000 watts / 120 volts = 41.6 amperes. Prefer maximum ampere should be at 80% of this rating in a normal circuit. These type of service transformer may have a service factor up to 2.50% so it is possible to pull more ampere for a period of time. The power company maintains the street lights in our city, so I call the engineering department to see if I can have a service drop of 120/240 vac 60 hz circuit breaker for 40 amps. The onboard battery charger had a regulator set for 30 amps which may surge a bit above this rating. They approved this installation. This was on a wood pole, so I made up a service mast with 20 feet of rigid steel 3/4 inch conduit with a weather head on top. The conduit went to a meter base which was then connected to a weather proof hinge cover circuit breaker panel that hold just one 2 pole 40 amp circuit breaker. Install four No. 6 AWG THW copper stranded wire to the weather head and allow three feet of lead out of the weather head which are two phases (L1 and L2) Black and Red color, a neutral, white color and a ground, green color. The meter base and circuit breaker panel was mounted to a marine rated 3/4 inch plywood painted with a exterior paint. The plywood was mounted a two lengths of electrical channel that will be lag screw to the street light pole. I furnish the service mast completely assemble with fasteners to power company crew when the came to install this assembly. The meter fee at that time was at a industrial rate of $0.01 a kwr. Commercial rates was $0.02 and residential was about $0.03 to $0.04. My maximum bill per month was $1.78 flat meter rate plus the usage rate. Today are electrical rate is a summer rate of $0.10 and a winter rate of $0.06 per kwr. The power company have 5 hydro dams on the Missouri river here in Great Falls, Montana. Lewis and Clark name the falls as the Great Falls. Roland EV Album.com/470 - Original Message - From: Cor van de Water via EVmailto:ev@lists.evdl.org To: Electric Vehicle Discussion Listmailto:ev@lists.evdl.org Sent: Friday, December 05, 2014 3:39 AM Subject: [EVDL] BMW street light with charge plug We just discussed this the other day: Streetlights with charging plugs - what a concept! https://www.yahoo.com/tech/s/bmw-develops-street-lights-electric-car-chahttps://www.yahoo.com/tech/s/bmw-develops-street-lights-electric-car-cha rging-sockets-122553889--finance.html Cor van de Water Chief Scientist Proxim Wireless Corporation http://www.proxim.comhttp://www.proxim.com/ http://www.proxim.comhttp://www.proxim.com/ Email: cwa...@proxim.commailto:cwa...@proxim.com Private: http://www.cvandewater.infohttp://www.cvandewater.info/ http://www.cvandewater.infomhttp://www.cvandewater.infom/ Skype: cor_van_de_water Tel: +1 408 383 7626 -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20141205/9b3a5d38/attachment.htmhttp://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20141205/9b3a5d38/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usubhttp://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.orghttp://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRAhttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20141205/712b988f/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Street-light EVSE
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On Fri, Dec 5, 2014, at 02:39 AM, Cor van de Water via EV wrote:
We just discussed this the other day:
Streetlights with charging plugs - what a concept!
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http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/11/bmw-develops-street-lights-with-electric-car-charging-sockets/
BMW develops street lights with electric car-charging sockets
Reuters 07 Nov 2014 by Edward Taylor. Editing by Jane Merriman
BMW has developed street lights equipped with sockets to charge electric
cars, it said on Friday, and will run a pilot project in Munich next year
that uses existing local authority lighting networks.
BMW said it has made two prototype “Light and Charge” street lights which
combine efficient Light Emitting Diodes (LED) with the company’s ChargeNow
recharging stations for electric cars.
“Seamless charging infrastructure is essential if we want to see more
electric vehicles on the road in our cities in the future,” Peter
Schwarzenbauer, Member of the Board of Management of BMW AG, said.
The Munich pilot will install the first charging lights, which can be
grafted straight onto the existing local authority street lighting
infrastructure, BMW said.
These additional charging stations can be used by as many drivers as
possible, regardless of vehicle model and electricity provider, BMW said.
Two street lights are already installed in front of the BMW headquarters.
Drivers will be able to pay to charge their cars via a mobile phone app ...
But electric cars as a product category have struggled to gain widespread
popularity due to their limited operating range, the scarcity of charging
stations and the time it takes to recharge them ...
In addition to developing street lighting, BMW has already invested into
software and applications that help drivers of electric cars find a parking
space and charging stations, including investments into Justpark.com and the
SLAM charging network.
BMW executives recently met with rival Tesla Motors to discuss the
availability of electric vehicle charging stations ...
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EVLN: Utility Pole offers EV Charging Boosts Wi-Fi Signals
..., the electric vehicle charging stations are about 5 metres long and less
than two metres wide, with an attached pole the same height as a street
light. Telus expects to build all three by the end of the year, at an
estimated cost of $1 million, including a $35,000 lease from the city for
the space... Jun 10, 2012
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leaf (Re: leaf, 100 mile range)
The majority of street lights have an access panel at the bottom that is
just the right size for a 3-prong outlet. Some of the street lights actually
have a three-prong outlet on 'em, as do parking lot lights... Sep 30, 2010
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Charging plugs at work
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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: INR2.5M 1Megameter Supernova Sports EV r:1Mm ts:150kph
On Dec 5, 2014, at 1:56 AM, brucedp5 via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: The car, which has already an order list of 250 units, will cost between 1.5 to 2.5 million Indian rupees (24,000 to 40,200 USD). [...] The car can achieve a maximum speed of 150 km per hour and according to Vyas it will come in three battery options, the lead acid, lithium ion and supercapacitors. “For each charge, the car can go 1,000 kms. The lead acid version would take eight hours to charge, the lithium ion battery would take two hours to charge, and the supercapacitors would take less than five minutes to charge,” he claimed. Is it just me, or does this seem too good to be true? That's twice the range of the Tesla...on lead acids? A supercap car for $40K? Supercaps that charge that much faster than A123 / CALB batteries -- and a charger that can handle the current? And a paltry 150 km/h limit for a low-slung wide-track aerodynamic car with battery pack with those specs? I like the DeLorean / '80s Lamborghini styling. And, hell, if it's for real, I could even imagine saving up a few pennies for one -- or, at least, its battery pack. I'm just very, very, very skeptical that the claims will survive past the showroom floor. b -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 801 bytes Desc: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20141205/28660ef2/attachment.pgp ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: i for batteries included ZOE-iKangoo-i EVs w/ Buyable Pack
On Dec 4, 2014, at 9:22 PM, EVDL Administrator via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: I see significant advantages to battery leasing, but I wouldn't buy a Renault with a leased battery, solely because they threaten to disable the battery if you don't keep up the lease payments. Amen. We've already figured out how to deal with deadbeats. A lease of the batteries should come with a lien against the car. Fail to make the payments and your account gets handed over to the collection agency, and it's up to them to figure out if they want to harass you into paying or call the sheriff to repossess the car. A remote kill switch is just begging for trouble, whether from abuse by the vendor or, for example, a Mexican (etc.) kidnap / extortion cartel. b -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 801 bytes Desc: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20141205/3d829a51/attachment.pgp ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: i for batteries included ZOE-iKangoo-i EVs w/ Buyable Pack
On Dec 4, 2014, at 9:22 PM, EVDL Administrator via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: I see significant advantages to battery leasing, but I wouldn't buy a Renault with a leased battery, solely because they threaten to disable the battery if you don't keep up the lease payments. I'm not sure I see the advantage of battery leasing. Battery renting, yes, leasing, not really. I'm renting the battery in my Smart ED and even though I'm EV-savvy it took away a chunk of worry when I got the car. Perhaps others define leasing differently, but in my world the difference is who pays for maintenance. If I lease it I have to fix it but if I rent it the rental company has to fix or replace it. --Rick ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Street-light EVSE
On 5 Dec 2014 at 7:32, brucedp5 via EV wrote: BMW said it has made two prototype Light and Charge street lights which combine efficient Light Emitting Diodes (LED) with the company's ChargeNow recharging stations for electric cars. My goodness, what a creative name! :-\ I would guess that the key to this is that the LED replaces some less efficient form of lighting, with the hope that the lower power use will allow for some (perhaps limited) amount of (perhaps limited power) EV charging without a need to fit larger feed wiring to the streetlights. Perhaps they also expect that most charging will be done in the daylight hours. All this is conjecture on my part, however. The news piece doesn't go into that kind of detail. Presumably the reporter wasn't curious enough (or sufficiently educated in energy conservation matters) to inquire. Drivers will be able to pay to charge their cars via a mobile phone app ... And pay, and pay, and pay. Of course. :-( But electric cars as a product category have struggled to gain widespread popularity due to their limited operating range, the scarcity of charging stations and the time it takes to recharge them ... Now that's just a flat-out cheap shot. Completely extraneous to the piece. I'd call that anti-EV bias. That reporter's editor should show him the door. David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA EVDL Administrator = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = EVDL Information: http://www.evdl.org/help/ = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Note: mail sent to evpost and etpost addresses will not reach me. To send a private message, please obtain my email address from the webpage http://www.evdl.org/help/ . = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: INR2.5M 1Megameter Supernova Sports EV r:1Mm ts:150kph
On 5 Dec 2014 at 9:50, Ben Goren via EV wrote: Is it just me, or does this seem too good to be true? It's not just you. I'd guess that they're trolling for investors. Sorry, no nibbles from me. David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA EVDL Administrator = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = EVDL Information: http://www.evdl.org/help/ = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Note: mail sent to evpost and etpost addresses will not reach me. To send a private message, please obtain my email address from the webpage http://www.evdl.org/help/ . = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: i for batteries included ZOE-iKangoo-i EVs w/ Buyable Pack
On 5 Dec 2014 at 13:48, Rick Beebe via EV wrote: I'm not sure I see the advantage of battery leasing If I lease it I have to fix it but if I rent it the rental company has to fix or replace it. I guess I never considered a distinction. When you lease a house, the landlord pays for maintenance, and I'd expect the same for leasing a battery - that's one of the advantages. I hadn't thought about the fact that you have to maintain a leased automobile yourself. That certainly wouldn't be an ideal model for battery leasing. David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA EVDL Administrator = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = EVDL Information: http://www.evdl.org/help/ = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Note: mail sent to evpost and etpost addresses will not reach me. To send a private message, please obtain my email address from the webpage http://www.evdl.org/help/ . = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: INR2.5M 1Megameter Supernova Sports EV r:1Mm ts:150kph
Ben Goren via EV wrote: The car can achieve a maximum speed of 150 km per hour... “For each charge, the car can go 1,000 kms... Is it just me, or does this seem too good to be true? Like Carl Sagan said, Extraordinary claims demand extraordinary proof. So where is the proof of their claims? For some reason, EVs attract world-class exaggerators, liars, and con artists that will say *anything* to get publicity and investors. The vast majority of press releases like this one are 99% wishful thinking and fiction. So I remain skeptical. Let's wait to see if there are any *real* results from this company. -- The storage battery is one of those peculiar things which appeals to the imagination, and no more perfect thing could be desired by stock swindlers. Just as soon as a man gets working on the secondary battery, it brings out his latent capacity for lying. -- Thomas A. Edison -- Lee Hart's EV projects are at http://www.sunrise-ev.com/LeesEVs.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: i for batteries included ZOE-iKangoo-i EVs w/ Buyable Pack
Rick Beebe via EV wrote: I'm not sure I see the advantage of battery leasing. Battery renting, yes, leasing, not really. Vast numbers of batteries *are* leased. This is a common practice for all sorts of commercial and industrial fleet vehicles like golf carts, fork lifts, etc. It makes good business sense for the right customers. It's the most common for big flooded batteries that need occasional maintenance (watering, cleaning, and maybe equalizing or other repairs). A company might have dozens of EVs, but no employees that are trained (or trusted) to do this maintenance. They don't want the overhead of another employee, or risk from unexpected battery failures due to lack of maintenance. So, they lease their batteries. That way, they know precisely what their annual cost will be, they know someone is maintaining them properly, and they get FREE replacements if any of them fail prematurely for any reason. Suppose you run a golf course. You buy a dozen golf carts, but *lease* the batteries for them. Once a month, a tech from the leasing company comes out, waters and checks the batteries, and replaces any that are failing. I'm always amazed that the auto companies didn't copy this model. Dumb old flooded lead-acids still have the lowest cost per mile of any type of battery. The need for maintenance guarantees a visit to the car dealer every few months, just like the 3000-mile oil changes for ICEs. Part of the reason dealers hate EVs is that they lose the income from oil changes (and the chance to sell you other products and services that you don't need). -- We cannot waste time. We can only waste ourselves. -- George Matthew Adams -- Lee Hart's EV projects are at http://www.sunrise-ev.com/LeesEVs.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: i for batteries included ZOE-iKangoo-i EVs w/ Buyable Pack
On 12/05/2014 01:56 PM, EVDL Administrator via EV wrote: On 5 Dec 2014 at 13:48, Rick Beebe via EV wrote: I'm not sure I see the advantage of battery leasing If I lease it I have to fix it but if I rent it the rental company has to fix or replace it. I guess I never considered a distinction. When you lease a house, the landlord pays for maintenance, and I'd expect the same for leasing a battery - that's one of the advantages. I hadn't thought about the fact that you have to maintain a leased automobile yourself. That certainly wouldn't be an ideal model for battery leasing. I don't know if there's a technical or legal distinction. I've rented apartments and could call the building manager for ANY problems. I've also leased a condo and the lease agreement specifically said I was responsible for any maintenance under $500. That experience plus the clear difference between leasing and renting both planes and cars leads me to think of them like that. But Lee's explanation of traditional battery leasing goes to the other side of it. I guess in any lease/rent transaction the most important thing is to read the agreement to see who's responsible for what. --Rick ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Street-light EVSE
I agree. IMHO, best way to address this is to send data demonstrating buyer reasons for not purchasing an EV. I'm sure there's data out there. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 5, 2014, at 10:52 AM, EVDL Administrator via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Now that's just a flat-out cheap shot. Completely extraneous to the piece. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: INR2.5M 1Megameter Supernova Sports EV r:1Mm ts:150kph
Do lithiums charge 4x faster than lead acid? Is this market positioning on their part? It might be apples and oranges, with the center 60-80% of the lithium pack used, and say 100% of the lead acid, of course it will take hours longer to take lead to 100%. That black striping looks horrible. Among other things. -Chris On 12/5/2014 10:50 AM, Ben Goren via EV wrote: On Dec 5, 2014, at 1:56 AM, brucedp5 via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: The car, which has already an order list of 250 units, will cost between 1.5 to 2.5 million Indian rupees (24,000 to 40,200 USD). [...] The car can achieve a maximum speed of 150 km per hour and according to Vyas it will come in three battery options, the lead acid, lithium ion and supercapacitors. “For each charge, the car can go 1,000 kms. The lead acid version would take eight hours to charge, the lithium ion battery would take two hours to charge, and the supercapacitors would take less than five minutes to charge,” he claimed. Is it just me, or does this seem too good to be true? That's twice the range of the Tesla...on lead acids? A supercap car for $40K? Supercaps that charge that much faster than A123 / CALB batteries -- and a charger that can handle the current? And a paltry 150 km/h limit for a low-slung wide-track aerodynamic car with battery pack with those specs? I like the DeLorean / '80s Lamborghini styling. And, hell, if it's for real, I could even imagine saving up a few pennies for one -- or, at least, its battery pack. I'm just very, very, very skeptical that the claims will survive past the showroom floor. b -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 801 bytes Desc: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20141205/28660ef2/attachment.pgp ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
