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The article implies that most of the security is built into the dongle that is paid for by the EV owner. What is to prevent a person from paying a bit more for a hacked dongle? What is to prevent a person from just plugging in directly? The concept sounds interesting, but the security sounds like is need a little bit more thought, at least as the system is described by the article. Bill D. On 5/16/2015 2:53 AM, EVDL Administrator via EV wrote: On 16 May 2015 at 0:25, brucedp5 via EV wrote: The EV-Line charges at about 3.3 kilowatts per hour ... Palm, meet face. Kilowatts per hour makes as much sense as horsepower per microsecond. Perhaps the reporter, Yewon Kang, wasn't paying attention in science class. The chargers are an intriguing idea, though. Shame they're so feeble. (That would be 3.3 KILOWATTS. Or if you want to sound confused while being technically correct, 3.3 kilowatt hours per hour.) David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA EVDL Administrator = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = EVDL Information: http://www.evdl.org/help/ = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Note: mail sent to evpost and etpost addresses will not reach me. To send a private message, please obtain my email address from the webpage http://www.evdl.org/help/ . = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] EVent: knoxmtnhillclimb.ca e-race @Knox Mt-Park 5/1617 Kelowna.ca
http://www.kelownadailycourier.ca/news/article_50c5b3e6-fb59-11e4-9912-ef81f4082444.html
Electric race car a first for Knox Mountain Hill Climb
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Driver, Mike Marich, left and UBC Vancouver electrical engineering students,
Theo Noyes, middle and Chris Green push their electric powered race car in
the pit area of Knox Mountain Park on Friday as cars and driver arrive for
the annual Knox Mountain Hill Climb.
The electric powered race car a first time entry ever for the hill climb,
which was converted from a 1984 Reynard Formula Ford and is powered by a 72
horsepower electric motor commonly found in fork lifts, the car uses 36
pounds of lithium polymer batteries, and the entire car including the driver
weighs under 453 kg (1000 lbs ).
The project car which is entered in the exhibition class of Knox Mountain
Hill Climb and involves a team of 12 to 15 UBC Vancouver electrical
engineering students.
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UBCO student electric car to compete at Knox Mountain Climb
by Kelowna Capital News - May 15, 2015
A team of University of British Columbia engineering students will field the
first electric-powered car to compete in the Knox Mountain Hill Climb, North
America’s longest-running hill race that attracts top drivers across the
Pacific Northwest.
The students, all members of the UBC Vancouver campus E-Car Club, converted
a 1984 Reynard Formula Ford car into a racing machine that can potentially
achieve speeds of about 160 km/h during the hill climb.
“The Knox Mountain Hill Climb is in its 58th year and all these years, no
one has ever competed with an electric car,” said UBC E-Racing Club
president Theo Noyes. “We’ll be racing on a narrow paved road with a steep
grade, very different from a flat racetrack, and that makes it all the more
challenging.”
The race takes place this weekend, May 16 and 17, at Knox Mountain Park
Road, Kelowna. The road is 3.5 kilometres long and climbs approximately 245
metres in elevation. Cars compete in several classes, from formula cars to
large-engine cars. They are run one at a time, with the drivers all hoping
to come in under two minutes.
“Our goal is to push the limits of what can be accomplished with electric
power. We believe that electric cars can be exciting, fast, and an
adrenaline rush to drive,” says Noyes.
For more information on the event, visit www.knoxmtnhillclimb.ca.
The UBC Okanagan student Motorsports Club will also have a table and display
at the Knox Mountain Hill Climb this weekend.
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[EVDL] EVLN: KRW1M portable L2 3kW EVSE w/ RFID3G for Seoul.kr outlets
http://www.itworld.com/article/2922935/consumerization/to-push-electric-cars-seoul-rolls-out-portable-chargers-with-rfid.html
To push electric cars, Seoul rolls out portable chargers with RFID
By Yewon Kang IDG News Service | May 14, 2015
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At an apartment parking lot in Seoul, an electric car is charged with the
EV-Line, a portable, RFID-equipped cable from Power Cube
]
The chargers allow drivers to juice up their batteries at residential
parking lots rather than dedicated stations
Seoul is trying to put one of the world’s highest concentrations of electric
vehicles (EVs) on its roads with a project that would let drivers charge
their vehicles in residential parking lots and other everyday locations.
The city is planning to give out electric charger cables fitted with RFID
readers that would allow drivers to recharge their batteries through
standard power outlets at 100,000 locations—a huge increase from current
numbers.
Central to the project is a charger cable called the EV-Line, developed by
Gyeonggi-based Power Cube. The cable has an RFID reader than can scan an
RFID tag attached to power outlets in parking lots for apartments, offices
and elsewhere. It also has a 3G wireless module.
The system then transmits the driver’s identity, along with the time, place
and amount of electricity used, back to Power Cube. The user gets billed
later and Power Cube in turn pays the national electricity provider, Korea
Electric Power.
The setup is designed to make recharging easy for drivers, who can top up
their batteries at a convenient time and location instead of having to go to
a dedicated recharging station.
“The biggest problem in Korea is securing charging spots in cramped parking
areas in apartments,” said Shin Kyu-sik, director of Power Cube. Nearly 84
percent of Seoul residents live in apartments as opposed to individual
houses with a garage.
According to government data, there are 911 EVs and 935 charging stations in
Seoul. Nationwide, there are 3,044 EVs and 3,201 stations.
Most of these vehicles, though, are owned by public-sector entities. The
Seoul Metropolitan Government wants to encourage private ownership and will
provide electric car buyers with the EV-Line charger for free.
It aims to secure 10,000 designated spots for EV-Line users by the end of
the year and 100,000 by 2018. To do that it will have to negotiate
permissions with landlords and get safety approvals.
The EV-Line costs about 1 million won (about US$917) per device, which is a
sixth of the cost of building a vehicle charging station, said Han
Myoung-sil, a deputy director with the Environment Ministry’s green
transportation team.
“The portable chargers could be an option for consumers because of the
affordability and convenience, but they might not replace regular charging
stations because we still don’t know how smoothly they’ll work in reality,”
Han said, adding users’ data privacy and security are also a concern.
One downside is the time it takes to juice up a battery. The EV-Line charges
at about 3.3 kilowatts per hour, so it takes six to eight hours to fully
charge a car battery, compared with a regular public EV charging location,
which charges at 8 kilowatts per hour and takes half the time, Shin said.
Users can keep tabs on the charging progress with a mobile app.
The Environment Ministry has been encouraging residents to adopt more
environmentally friendly cars since 2011. It has distributed free electric
cars and motorbikes to public workers and made them available for rent by
the public. Participating EV makers include Kia Motors, Renault Samsung,
General Motors and BMW.
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To push electric cars, Seoul rolls out portable chargers with RFID
Yewon Kang (IDG News Service) 15 May, 2015
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The EV-Line is a portable electric vehicle charging cable fitted with RFID
tags that would allow drivers to charge their cars almost anywhere through
standard power outlets.
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On 16 May 2015 at 0:25, brucedp5 via EV wrote: The EV-Line charges at about 3.3 kilowatts per hour ... Palm, meet face. Kilowatts per hour makes as much sense as horsepower per microsecond. Perhaps the reporter, Yewon Kang, wasn't paying attention in science class. The chargers are an intriguing idea, though. Shame they're so feeble. (That would be 3.3 KILOWATTS. Or if you want to sound confused while being technically correct, 3.3 kilowatt hours per hour.) David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA EVDL Administrator = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = EVDL Information: http://www.evdl.org/help/ = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Note: mail sent to evpost and etpost addresses will not reach me. To send a private message, please obtain my email address from the webpage http://www.evdl.org/help/ . = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] EVLN: Drive the Rimac Concept One EV on your PS4 machine
http://www.autoblog.com/2015/05/13/rimac-concept-one-ev-ps4-driveclub-video/
You can now drive the Rimac Concept One EV on your PS4
May 13th 2015 Danny King
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Real-Life EV Has 1,088 Horsepower, Can Go 190 MPH
It's the next best thing, but that's still not good enough, if you ask us.
The Concept_One electric vehicle from Croatia-based Rimac Automobili can now
be digitally simulated in the Sony PlayStation 4 game Driveclub. That title,
created by Evolution Studios, has added a Concept_One to its stable of about
90 possible cars that can be used in the video game.
The addition makes slick sense. The EV has a 92-kWh battery pack and an
absolutely insane 1,088 horsepower. The Concept_One can go from 0 to 60
miles per hour in less than three seconds and is said to have a top speed of
about 190 miles per hour.
Earlier this year, Motor Authority posted a video showing a Rimac
Concept_One absolutely kicking a racetrack's butt. And last year, the FIA
Formula E series bought a Concept_One for the purpose of (very rapidly)
testing courses for the all-electric racing circuit. Last year, Rimac also
secured funding to allow the company to take the car to market. For those
who can't pony up for either the car or the video game, check out the
three-plus-minute video above.
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Race the electric hyper car Rimac Concept_One on the Playstation
http://www.hybridcars.com/free-download-for-playstation-4-driveclub-with-rimac-concept_one-ev/
Free Download For Playstation 4 DRIVECLUB with Rimac Concept_One EV
by Jeff Cobb May 8, 2015
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Rimac Automobili, maker of the Concept_One hyper electric car has announced
free downloads of the Playstation 4 game DRIVECLUB.
The download is now available through the PlayStation Store, says Rimac, and
is a joint offering by it and Sony Computer Entertainment and Evolution
Studios of the car racing game launched at the end of last year.
If a seven-figure, exceedingly limited-production hyper is something you
don’t expect to ever personally drive, the game does an as-good-as-possible
simulation for the torque-vectoring, AWD, 1,088 horsepower, 1,600 pound-feet
EV.
Beyond the Rimac car, the game developed by Sony’s Evolution Studios focuses
on road racing between other hyper, sport and racing cars.
Tracks and environments are inspired by real places from around the world
and to make things realistic they feature dynamic weather such as rain,
snow, and a day-night cycle that players can control.
“In Rimac Automobili, we just love cars and racing, and we are also big fans
of racing video games,” said founder and CEO Mate Rimac. “I grew up with
them, developing love and passion for cars. It will be a great honor if we
will influence childhoods in the similar way and fascinate many people with
the capabilities the new technology offers through DRIVECLUB.”
The game also has a multiplayer mode to connect with other real-life players
from around the world.
“With 90 cars already available in game, players have a wide variety of
tracks in various configurations to use,” says Rimac Automobili. “With
fabulous high definition graphics and amazing attention to details,
DRIVECLUB is one of the best racing video games on the market today.”
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Rimac Automobili Concept_One introduced in Driveclub
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DRIVECLUB on PS4 | PlayStation Store Czech Republic
Oct 8, 2014 ... One-time licence fee to download to multiple PS4 systems.
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GM Needs To Redo Its Electric Car Sales Strategy
http://www.cheatsheet.com/automobiles/chevy-volt-vs-spark-ev-the-volt-loses-3-states-to-50.html/?a=viewall
Volt pih vs. Spark EV lame-duck-selling-Volt Loses 3 States to 50
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Car Wars: Volt pih slogs while EVs soar
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[EVDL] EVLN: EVs continue 2sell consistently during fuel price turbulence
http://www.businessspectator.com.au/article/2015/5/13/smart-energy/fuel-price-turbulence-hasnt-pulled-plug-evs Fuel price turbulence hasn't pulled the plug on EVs Zifei Yang Uwe Tietge | 13 May 2015 | theicct.org [images http://www.businessspectator.com.au/sites/default/files/11_322.png (chart EV vs pih market share) http://www.businessspectator.com.au/sites/default/files/22_89.PNG (U.S. states EV vs pih market share) ] Among the biggest stories of 2014 was the crash in global oil prices. Just when it looked like the world had started to take $100/barrel oil for granted, prices plunged by 50 percent. Some speculated that lower oil prices would translate into reduced consumer enthusiasm for electric vehicles (EVs). Now that we have EV sales for 2014 tallied up, let's look at how the story actually played out. As it turns out, EVs, including battery electric vehicles (BEVs) and plug-in hybrid electric vehicles (PHEVs), continued to sell consistently around the world. The EV market share in Norway is still far ahead of other countries, at 13.8% of new car sales in 2014. However, in Sweden, the United Kingdom, Denmark, and China the EV market tripled, while in Austria and Germany the EV sales share nearly doubled. The Netherlands is the only country that saw a big drop in EV sales, from 5.6% to 3.4%, likely due to a decline in fiscal incentives. Electric vehicle market share in other countries, including the US, France, and Japan, remained consistent in comparison to 2013. Further, compared to the first half of 2014, the dramatic drop in global fuel prices during the second half of 2014 did not have any measurable impact on EV sales, and some markets even saw EV sales spike towards the end of the year. There are two main reasons for this: (1) Savings from fuel/electricity costs are only part of all EV incentives, which mainly consist of a variety of fiscal or non-fiscal benefits, and (2) in some countries, particularly in the European Union, fuel taxes already account for a large share of total fuel price, so even during times of fluctuation in global oil price the price at the pump remains relatively stable. Norway In 2014, Tesla Model S sales almost caught up with those of the Nissan Leaf, which remained the leading EV in Norway, followed by VW e-Up!, BMW i3, and VW e-Golf. Interestingly, March saw a spike in Tesla Model S sales, which accounted for more than 50% of EV sales and 10% of all new car sales that month. Everything happens for a reason. A potentially related event is the successful crisis management by Tesla in dealing with consumer complaints regarding a charging issue encountered in extreme cold weather affecting outlets at the beginning of 2014. The cold weather didn’t cool down Norwegians’ enthusiasm for EVs, as Tesla rapidly fixed most of the charging problems. This is also a prime example of how comprehensive deployment of charging equipment can enhance the market confidence in the use of EVs. The Netherlands In comparison to 2013, the EV market share in the Netherlands fell 40%. This trend is consistent with a drop in EV sales during the first half of the year due to the expiration of a tax exemption for company cars emitting less than 50 g/km CO2. Nevertheless, the company car tax rates for BEVs and PHEVs remain lower than the rates for conventional vehicles. Moreover, the tax adjustment in 2014 lowered the CO2 emission tax threshold and adjusted the tax rate – in effect, potentially raising the tax amount for conventional vehicles and enlarging the tax benefit of EVs in comparison to gasoline and smaller diesel vehicles. For example, the tax for Renault Clio (gasoline) increases from about 3000 EUR in 2013 to about 5000 EUR in 2014. United States The US EV market has been steadily growing over the past three years. California is still the largest EV market in the US, with an increasing sales share. An important reason is California’s Zero Emission Vehicle (ZEV) program, which mandates that an increasing share of auto sales in the state be EVs. As shown in the figure below, the total benefit from incentives offered to consumers for BEVs and PHEVs is not the highest in the country. But California offers two incentives that our state incentive study showed have a higher benefit-cost ratio: direct subsidy and high-occupancy vehicle (HOV) lane access. The ZEV program clearly contributes to the deployment and marketing efforts of automakers and the policies on both the demand and supply sides complement each other effectively. Another ongoing city-level analysis is also revealing that California cities, including San Francisco, San Diego, and Los Angeles, invest much more in public charging compared to-populous metropolitan areas elsewhere with lower EV market shares. Sweden Sweden had the highest total PHEV sales growth in 2014. One factor in this rapid increase was the cap on funding for the “super green car premium.” The funding was set to subsidise the purchases of up to
[EVDL] Singapore-Made tropical e-taxis in-use 24hr/day r:200km L3:15min
http://www.straitstimes.com/news/singapore/transport/story/made-singapore-electric-taxi-charges-fast-goes-the-distance-20150512
'Made in Singapore' electric taxi charges fast, goes the distance
May 12, 2015 By Feng Zengkun, Wu Jia Min
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EVA, the taxi designed and built here by TUM Create - a collaboration
between Nanyang Technological University and Germany's Technische
Universitat Munchen - has a 200km range and a charging time of just 15
minutes. -- PHOTO: TUM CREATE
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Singapore has created a fast-charging electric taxi that works well in
tropical cities and could help the country to combat climate change.
Conventional electric vehicles take six to eight hours to charge and usually
cover up to 160km on a full charge.
But EVA, the taxi designed and built here by TUM Create - a collaboration
between Nanyang Technological University (NTU) and Germany's Technische
Universitat Munchen - has a 200km range and a charging time of just 15
minutes.
Drivers can go for a toilet or meal break, come back, and their taxi will
be recharged, said Mr Raymond Khoo, 29, an NTU researcher on the project.
The taxi's specially designed features - such as an overhead
air-conditioning system that cools individual seats, and fans in the seats
that wick away heat and moisture - also help to reduce the energy needed to
keep passengers comfortable in tropical cities.
The researchers said they decided to focus on electric taxis as taxis have
a far greater impact on the environment compared with private passenger
cars.
In Singapore, taxis make up about 3 per cent of the vehicle population, but
travel 15 per cent of the total distance covered by all vehicles here,
according to the researchers' calculations.
Many two-shift taxis here travel for up to 24 hours every day, covering an
average of 520km, they said.
The researchers added that by replacing vehicles that use fossil fuels with
electric-powered ones, carbon emissions as well as noise and exhaust
pollution can be reduced.
The team is now looking to work with industrial partners to conduct safety
tests on the taxi, and to find ways to mass manufacture it for commercial
use.
But they acknowledged that there are several obstacles, such as the need for
specially designed charging stations for the taxi.
This means that Singapore's more than 70 existing charging stations may need
to be retrofitted.
Some people, such as bank analyst Rachel Ng, 25, were also concerned about
possible higher fares, if the electric taxis cost more.
Addressing this concern, TUM Create scientific adviser director Markus
Lienkamp said: Electric taxis cost less in the long run compared with
petrol-run taxis, as electricity is much cheaper than petrol, and electric
engines do not experience wear and tear.
So there's really no question about it. Electric vehicles are the future.
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My thoughts, too. Might work better if the dongle were actually a credit card reader and you had to swipe to activite - like Square. Not as convenient but it passes the security problem on to someone else. Peri -- Original Message -- From: Bill Dube via EV ev@lists.evdl.org To: EVDL Administrator evp...@drmm.net; Electric Vehicle Discussion List ev@lists.evdl.org Sent: 16-May-15 9:57:25 AM Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: KRW1M portable L2 3kW EVSE w/ RFID3G for Seoul.kr outlets The article implies that most of the security is built into the dongle that is paid for by the EV owner. What is to prevent a person from paying a bit more for a hacked dongle? What is to prevent a person from just plugging in directly? The concept sounds interesting, but the security sounds like is need a little bit more thought, at least as the system is described by the article. Bill D. On 5/16/2015 2:53 AM, EVDL Administrator via EV wrote: On 16 May 2015 at 0:25, brucedp5 via EV wrote: The EV-Line charges at about 3.3 kilowatts per hour ... Palm, meet face. Kilowatts per hour makes as much sense as horsepower per microsecond. Perhaps the reporter, Yewon Kang, wasn't paying attention in science class. The chargers are an intriguing idea, though. Shame they're so feeble. (That would be 3.3 KILOWATTS. Or if you want to sound confused while being technically correct, 3.3 kilowatt hours per hour.) David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA EVDL Administrator = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = EVDL Information: http://www.evdl.org/help/ = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Note: mail sent to evpost and etpost addresses will not reach me. To send a private message, please obtain my email address from the webpage http://www.evdl.org/help/ . = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
