Re: [EVDL] Nissan.ca sez 'No' To Leaf-Group-Buy> ticking-off 3700+ EV buyers = a lose-lose
Amazing that they would embark on such an effort without first talking to Nissan. Sent from AltaMail From: Rick Beebe via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.evdl.org> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Nissan.ca sez 'No' To Leaf-Group-Buy> ticking-off 3700+ EV buyers = a lose-lose Date: 8/29/16, 6:27 PM One has to wonder if the people setting up the group buy pulled that target price out of their ass. I can sympathize with Nissan if that price is below wholesale or worse. Are you really losing "sales" if you would have to actually pay the people to take the cars? I would tout how much money I saved the company by not giving away the cars at a loss. And I doubt Tesla will want to tender a group buy for $20k per car when they've got 400,000 to sell at full list price first. --Rick On 8/29/2016 6:12 AM, brucedp5 via EV wrote: > In the first week of August, a group of EV lovers in Montreal, Canada set up > a group-buy effort for the Nissan LEAF. About 2,500 people initially signed > up for the group-buy deal and the number of interested buyers had climbed up > to 3,700 by the time their proposal reached the Nissan’s corporate HQ in > Canada. The main idea of the group buy was to use the strength of numbers > (almost 4000 orders) as a leverage to get massive discount on the sticker > price of the car. > > The Nissan LEAF has a sticker price of $31,998 (CAD) for the S Trim. The > members in the group-buy deal were hoping that they could get Nissan to sell > the car at a $20,000 CAD each. However, in an “understandable” turn of > events, Nissan Canada’s president has rejected the group buy offer and > effectively shut down the plan. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20160829/e6b10572/attachment.htm> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Sacramento Leaf trip.
Lawrence, If you were going to CMT, I believe there is charging right across H street on the 2nd level of the parking structure (SE corner). I know they were not hooked up for some time after the garage was built but I think I have seen cars charging as I came to the shows this year and possibly last year as well. respectfully, John BTW Hunchback was great on Sat. night. John, I was playing bassoon, baritone sax, clarinet & bass clarinet. It was a challenging part. I had to play clarinet solos and when they flute and oboe where playing it was me alone on clarinet. I am usually a bassoonist so this is challenging for me. This musical hasn't made it to Broadway yet and Disney has s lot riding on this work. Lawrence Rhodes Sent from my MetroPCS 4G LTE Android device ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Nissan.ca sez 'No' To Leaf-Group-Buy> ticking-off 3700+ EV buyers = a lose-lose
One has to wonder if the people setting up the group buy pulled that target price out of their ass. I can sympathize with Nissan if that price is below wholesale or worse. Are you really losing "sales" if you would have to actually pay the people to take the cars? I would tout how much money I saved the company by not giving away the cars at a loss. And I doubt Tesla will want to tender a group buy for $20k per car when they've got 400,000 to sell at full list price first. --Rick On 8/29/2016 6:12 AM, brucedp5 via EV wrote: In the first week of August, a group of EV lovers in Montreal, Canada set up a group-buy effort for the Nissan LEAF. About 2,500 people initially signed up for the group-buy deal and the number of interested buyers had climbed up to 3,700 by the time their proposal reached the Nissan’s corporate HQ in Canada. The main idea of the group buy was to use the strength of numbers (almost 4000 orders) as a leverage to get massive discount on the sticker price of the car. The Nissan LEAF has a sticker price of $31,998 (CAD) for the S Trim. The members in the group-buy deal were hoping that they could get Nissan to sell the car at a $20,000 CAD each. However, in an “understandable” turn of events, Nissan Canada’s president has rejected the group buy offer and effectively shut down the plan. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Piezo-power> 10mi of freeway could charge all the EVsinBurbank-CA(?)
Then just put them on the down hill portion of Highways where vehicles are braking or using a lower gear to keep the speed down. Like coming off the Grapevine (I5). Put them in the right hand lanes where heavy trucks are actually trying to slow down. Leave the lefthand lane for EV's who are enjoying the regen of going down hill. Harness the energy of slowing down - or not speeding up because of gravity. -- View this message in context: http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/Piezo-power-10mi-of-freeway-could-charge-all-the-EVs-in-Burbank-CA-tp4683459p4683539.html Sent from the Electric Vehicle Discussion List mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Piezo-power> 10mi of freeway could charge all the EVs in Burbank-CA(?)
In order to make the impact on the vehicle's efficiency small, you sacrifice the amount of energy you can capture per unit foot of roadway. So in order to capture really useful amounts of energy, you need lots of piezo collectors, and a lot of wiring. Your infrastructure costs are significant. Further, in order to "capture some of the energy now lost in flexing the roadbed" you would need to make stiffer roads. Concrete has a high compressive strength, on the order of 8-10,000psi. The compacted sand and gravel substrate beneath, not so much. There's where your road flexes. So to stiffen the road, pour more concrete. Currently, we're coming up on a worldwide cement shortage, raising construction prices substantially. Good sand is also growing short, necessitating more costly aggregate and fill materials. This is the background against which you must measure the additional cost of any energy collection system. We won't discuss the "squishy" character of asphalt and the near-impossibility of capturing that energy -- basically new road construction methods and materials are needed to provide a minimally-flexing substrate for your energy-collection layer to function at its best. Theoretically, there might be some energy to be gained there. Practically, it looks like it would substantially increase the cost of road construction. And here in Ohio, where "road construction" is one of the seasons of our year, the cost of both initial construction and especially repairs would be more than is politically affordable. The Highway Trust Fund is pretty tapped out now. Cal Frye > *From:* Jack Wendel via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> > *Date:* August 28, 2016 at 7:13 PM > *To:* Cor van de Water <cwa...@proxim.com>, Electric Vehicle > Discussion List <ev@lists.evdl.org> > *Subject:* [EVDL] Piezo-power> 10mi of freeway could charge all the > EVs in Burbank-CA(?) > [...back of the envelope calculations, etc...] > > In conclusion, I am not expecting "free energy". My only hope is that the > gains offset the losses and infrastructure, distribution and maintenance > costs. And I simply cannot form a conclusion on that without more data. And > more data cannot be gathered if the idea is dismissed without further > investigation, research and experimentation. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20160829/f4169e44/attachment.htm> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] EVLN: EV-newswire posts for 20160829
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EVLN: 2017 Opel Ampera-e(Bolt) debut @Paris.fr Motor Show r:322km ts:150kph
... picks up speed from 80 to 120 km/h (50 to 75 mph). All it takes is 4.5
seconds ... can handle its own during high-speed overtakes ...
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EVLN: Contractor Trans Tech to Operate First Electric School Bus in NY
... as the school bus contractor will operate the zero-emissions electric
vehicle for customer Copiague ...
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EVLN: Can't wait until Model 3? Tesla's got a two-year lease just for you
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The sky's the limit, but if you'd rather spend as little as possible to get
a long-range EV in your driveway ahead of the Model 3, you'd better get in
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President of Nissan Canada Says 'No' To Discounted LEAF Group Buy
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EVent: EVs @Centennial Plaza 10a-3p 9/10 Solvang-CA
i3,Chevy Spark,Mercedes-Benz,LEAF,Tesla owners showcase their EVs at free
event
The public can see, touch and explore all types of EVs at a free (NDEW) show
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[EVDL] EVLN: 2017 Opel Ampera-e(Bolt) to debut @Paris.fr Motor Show r:322km ts:150kph
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2017 Opel Ampera-e Heading to Paris, 150 KM/H Top Speed
24 Aug 2016 Mircea Panait
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Opel Ampera-e Drag Challenge vs. Astra TCR, ADAM R2 and OPC
Opel Aug 23, 2016
We've sent the new #AMPERAe into a drag race against sporty Opel models such
as the #NewAstra TCR and the #OpelADAM R2.
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After the slow-selling Ampera, the European arm of General Motors is having
another go at electrification with the all-new Ampera-e. Slated to make its
public debut on September 29 during the Paris Motor Show, the Opel /
Vauxhall Ampera-e promises a lot.
Before anything, I must highlight something which doesn’t sound right to me.
Opel tells that the Ampera-e “also offers a significantly longer range than
most other electric cars.” I’m sorry, but come again? An “in this segment”
is much needed in there to eliminate any type of confusion, at least until
Tesla Motors finishes research & development on the hottest EV of the
moment.
Now let’s focus on what makes the Chevy Bolt Opel Ampera-e great. As you can
see in the adjacent video, the Ampera-e outaccelerates the Corsa OPC,
Insignia OPC, Adam RS, and the Astra TCR in a 30-meter (100-foot) drag race.
Better still, the compact EV hits 50 km/h (31 mph) in 3.2 seconds, which
means that the Ampera-e has the edge in traffic-light-to-traffic-light
sprints.
Top speed is limited to 150 km/h (93.2 mph), which is more than enough if
you’re living anywhere else but that country with the unrestricted
autobahns. Another impressive detail regarding the Ampera-e is how this car
picks up speed from 80 to 120 km/h (50 to 75 mph). All it takes is 4.5
seconds, so yes, the Opel Ampera-e can handle its own during high-speed
overtakes.
The German manufacturer also reiterates that the electric powertrain is good
for 150 kW or 204 PS (201 horsepower in U.S. money). The 360 Nm (265 lb-ft)
of torque also come in handy, especially when you consider that the Opel
Astra 1.6 BiTurbo CDTI is 10 newton meters short on the Ampera-e.
What the peeps at Opel fail to mention, though, is the NEDC-rated range of
this heavily-anticipated electric runabout. In the case of the 2017
Chevrolet Bolt, we're expecting more than 200 miles (322 kilometers) of
juice.
Oh, and by the way, don’t get your hopes up for adaptive cruise control.
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Opel Ampera-e To Be Revealed In Paris
AUG 24, 2016 Opel will bring its version of the 2017 Chevrolet Bolt EV to
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All-electric Opel set for Paris Motor Show premiere
PARIS, Aug 25 — Opel promises a revolutionary new electric car with its
Ampera-e, set to premiere globally at the Paris Motor Show, October 1-16,
2016.
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2017 Opel Ampera-e (nee Bolt EV) to debut at Paris Motor Show
Aug 25, 2016 ... It doesn't appear that GM will sell right-hand drive
versions of the Ampera-e in the U.K., where Opel models are typically
re-badged as Vauxhalls ...
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2017 Opel Ampera-e Spied in Germany, Looks Almost Ready for ...
Jul 1, 2016 - Thankfully, though, all that is about to change with the 2017
Opel Ampera-e. Slated to debut in the flesh at the 2017 Paris Motor Show,
the ...
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Opel Ampera-e Electric Car Will Be Built Alongside Chevy Bolt in U.S. ...
Feb 16, 2016 - Since the Chevrolet Bolt EV and the Opel Ampera-e are almost
... this could mean GM is considering a right-hand drive variant for the UK,
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Report: Chevrolet Bolt Will Come To Europe, But No Right-Hand Drive
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http://lompocrecord.com/news/local/electric-vehicle-owners-to-showcase-their-cars-at-free-event/article_12ae5a95-90b7-558e-a8ee-4443379c0209.html
Electric vehicle owners to showcase their cars at free event
20160828 Mike Hodgson
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An electric Nissan owned by Central Coast residents Kathy and Kent Bullard
proclaims the couple's freedom from the gasoline pumps. The Nissan Leaf will
be among a variety of electric vehicles on display in a free show Sept. 10
in Solvang Photo, John Hankins
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Tesla's 2017 models 3, X and S are shown parked in front of charging
stations. Tesla Model S P85D and Model X vehicles are among those slated to
be on display Sept. 10 at a free show of electric cars in Solvang
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The public can see, touch and explore all types of electric vehicles at a
free show from 10 a.m. to 3 p.m. Saturday, Sept 10, in Solvang’s Centennial
Plaza parking lot off Alisal Road.
Electric vehicle owners will be on hand to explain the benefits of owning
vehicles that run clean with zero tailpipe emissions, outstanding
performance and range and almost no maintenance, said James Reach of the
Sierra Club’s Los Padres Chapter, who is organizing the show.
Vehicles to be featured at the show will include Tesla Model S P85D and
Model X, BMW i3, Chevy Spark, Mercedes Benz B Class and Nissan Leaf, among
others.
All vehicles — both all-electric and plug-in hybrids — will be shown by
their owners. No dealers will take part, Reach said.
Reach drives an all-electric Tesla Model S with Autopilot.
“I love that quick acceleration and quiet ride,” he said of his car.
"Once you start driving an all-electric vehicle, you will never go back
again to a conventional gas-powered car,” he added.
"Year after year, the range limitations and performance of these vehicles
keeps getting better, and now utility companies offer special rates and
features at home for the EV users."
The event is sponsored by the Los Padres Chapter of the Sierra Club in
celebration of National Drive Electric Week.
For more information about the cars and other similar events in Santa
Barbara County and elsewhere, visit www.driveelectricweek.org.
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National Drive Electric Week Event - Solvang
Day:Saturday, September 10, 2016
Time: 10 a.m. to 3 p.m.
Location: Parking Lot 1 at Centennial Plaza
468 Alisal Road, Solvang, CA 93463 (map)
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Local Electric Vehicle owners will be available with their cars to tell you
their experiences of EV ownership and operation. Late models on will include
the Tesla Model S sedan, the Tesla Model X SUV (both with Autopilot), the
Nissan Leaf and BMW i3! Join us and bring your questions about the EV world
to our knowledgeable owners. A real, one-to-one, hands on opportunity for
you to learn the benefits of EV ownership and see the vehicles inside and
out. EVs have fast acceleration, silent running, immediate pedal response,
zero jerking motion or vibrating and improved braking. EVs run virtually
maintenance-free and have good to excellent safety ratings. Good for you,
good for the environment, and beneficial to your bottom line. Consider never
having to pay for gasoline, oil or major repairs again! Presented locally by
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Ports 2 CHAdeMO DCFCs, 2 CCS DCFCs (L3)
Stations ChargePoint CCS DCFC, CHAdeMO DCFC / Combo, 50 kW
Address 555 McMurray Rd, Buellton, CA 93427
Phone (805) 688-1000
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[EVDL] Nissan.ca sez 'No' To Leaf-Group-Buy> ticking-off 3700+ EV buyers = a lose-lose
http://learnbonds.com/130840/tesla-model-3-nissan-leaf/
Nissan Blows it. Say Goodbye to Leaf and Hello to Tesla Model 3
August 25, 2016 Victor Alagbe
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Tesla Motors can expect an increase in pre-orders for its mass market Model
3 EV after Nissan made a move that could irk as much as 3700 potential
Nissan Leaf buyers. Tesla’s Model 3 and Nissan’s LEAF are the major EVs
designed for the mass market now. Both Nissan and Tesla have been engaged in
a war of words, marketing, and hype to take the biggest market share for
mass market EVs. Breaking news suggests that Nissan has made a marketing
mistake that might push potential LEAF buyers out to buy a Model 3.
The economics of a group buy doesn’t make sense for Nissan
In the first week of August, a group of EV lovers in Montreal, Canada set up
a group-buy effort for the Nissan LEAF. About 2,500 people initially signed
up for the group-buy deal and the number of interested buyers had climbed up
to 3,700 by the time their proposal reached the Nissan’s corporate HQ in
Canada. The main idea of the group buy was to use the strength of numbers
(almost 4000 orders) as a leverage to get massive discount on the sticker
price of the car.
The Nissan LEAF has a sticker price of $31,998 (CAD) for the S Trim. The
members in the group-buy deal were hoping that they could get Nissan to sell
the car at a $20,000 CAD each. However, in an “understandable” turn of
events, Nissan Canada’s president has rejected the group buy offer and
effectively shut down the plan.
If Nissan had agreed to the proposal, the firm would have sold each of the
cars at a 37.5% discount to the sticker price. The original $31,988 sticker
price of the Nissan leaf is about $13,000 CAD or 29% cheaper than sticker
price of Tesla‘s Model 3, which sells for $45,200 CAD. It is common
knowledge in the auto market that Nissan is trying to compete with Tesla on
the price front in the EV market.
What Nissan lacks in the premium branding/premium tech of Tesla, it hopes to
make up by making its cars significantly cheaper. Hence, it is doubtful that
Nissan has much of a margin left on the LEAF at its $32,000 sticker price.
Without much ado, Nissan cannot afford to agree to the proposals for the
group-buy but the buyers think Nissan is not serious about selling its cars
to them.
Bye bye Leaf, Hi Tesla Model 3
Nissan could have recorded its biggest auto sale for the LEAF and probably
set a sales record that other automakers might never beat for a very long
time. However, the fact that the firm has refused to slash its prices for
bulk order is sending those Nissan LEAF buyers into the waiting arms of
Tesla Motors.
Roulezelectrique, a Canadian blog that broke the news about Nissan’s refusal
has an official video and statement from Nissan to the effect. Yet, it is
doubtful that Tesla Motors will give any significant discount on its cars
because it already has a backlog of 400K preorders.
Interestingly, many of those who have signed up for the group buy have
expressed their displeasure with Nissan. One of the buyers said,” Nissan has
lost some sales including mine … We’ll wait Tesla3! So long Nissan! “Another
reader said, “I own a 2011 Nissan Leaf and dreamed of a 2016 or 2017 with
the purchase group, but let me tell you that I now look for the Cheverolet
Bolt or Tesla 3. Bye bye Nissan!!!”
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President of Nissan Canada Says 'No' To Discounted LEAF Group Buy
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$12k Leaf EV group-buy purchase sign-ups in Montreal.ca have grown to 2800+
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