Re: [EVDL] Should I Buy a Smart ED or a IMIEV or Chevy Spark?: 2014 Smart ED Service Manual Help

[Rick Beebe via EV]

There's a guy on the Smart Car forums who has created a diagnostic tool 
using an Arduino with a CANBus shield that can read the battery voltage 
of each of the 93 cells, total voltage, various temperatures, 
statistical analysis, all in a few seconds at the stroke of a key.


https://github.com/MyLab-odyssey/ED_BMSdiag

He's clearly figured out some stuff about how the car works.

I'm just finishing up a 3 year lease on a Smart ED and I hate to let it 
go. The car has been flawless for 14,000 miles with only the required 
10,000 mile checkup. Kelly Blue Book lists the resale value at about 
$5,000 so why worry about paying $25,000 for a new battery? If the car 
dies badly, buy a new (used) one. I'm sure batteries out of wrecked ones 
will be showing up in salvage yards or on eBay too.  Car2Go is switching 
out 400 electric Smarts for gas ones. No word on what they're doing with 
the old ones but I bet there's going to be a stock of batteries 
available somewhere.


--Rick

On 10/1/2016 8:10 PM, Mark Hanson via EV wrote:

Hi Folks,

  


I didn't get a response on the service manual or where to get a battery for
the Smart ED 2013 - 2015 (used Smart) so I'm thinking maybe I should buy
something else (since the shop manuals/batteries are made of Unobtanium).
I Googled Service manuals for the Mitsubishi IMIev and Chevy Spark; were
available online like the Leaf.  It also looked like you could monitor
individual battery voltages, not sure if you can do that with the Smart ED.
It looks like Mercedes doesn't want to sell any electric Smart ED's ($25K
for a battery replacement and no Service Manuals available.)  The Smart also
wants $80 per month battery rental that the other EV's don't require.  I
found from EVwest.com that they have 57V Tesla battery replacement modules
for $1k for the 2013 Smart only, 2014 on is the Deutsche ACCUmotive for $25K
replacement.  So maybe I should buy that with a Smart 2013?  Sounds like
that may be the only serviceable Smart unless buying two wrecked one's to
combine parts when the cells start to crap out.  Or maybe like on
EValbum.com convert one from gas like another guy did on an 05' model - but
it would be nice to have regen.

  


From: Mark Hanson [mailto:mhan...@hughes.net]
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2016 7:45 PM
To: 'ev@lists.evdl.org'
Subject: RE: 2014 Smart ED Service Manual Help

  

  

  


Hi Folks,

  


I was thinking of buying a 2014 Smart ED but I can't find a service
manual/schematics, paid $60 to www.smarttekinfo.com and just a few
pamphlets, marketing fluff.  I tried for about $15 www.ALLDATAdiy.com with
similar results.  Contacting/emailing Smart just got marketing & $80/mo
battery rental info.  I have a Leaf currently and it was easy to
download/print the 3" thick shop manual on battery/charging/traction
controls/schematics but no dice with Smart.  When I called the local
Mercedes dealer they wanted $25K for a battery replacement at the typical
60K miles (the Leaf is $5.5K for a battery replacement).

  


So is the Smart ED a throw-away car that you can't service?  Does anyone
know where to get a *service/shop manual* so I can feel comfortable
servicing like my Leaf?  Does anyone know where to by *battery cells* or
pack for a Smart ED?

  


The local Mercedes dealer said they won't bother with Smarts maybe why their
annual sales were 2K and the Leaf was 20K last year.   It looks like on
www.batteryuniversity.com that the Volt, Leaf and Smart ED are all NMC
(Nickel Manganese Cobalt cathode with a lithium electrolyte and a graphite
anode) so should have about 60k miles life similar to LiFePO4.  The Smart ED
warranty is 4 years 48K miles Smart said without paying $80 battery rent per
month "battery assurance plan" nonsense.

  


I also use LeafSpy but didn't see info app like that for the Smart ED.  I'd
like to replace my electric Ghia www.evalbum.com/4346 soon when it needs $8k
batteries with a $8k 2014 Smart or similar small commuter car to make my 48
miles round trip to work.

  


Have a renewable energy day,

  


Mark

  


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Fincastle, VA 24090

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Re: [EVDL] Compressed Air

[Mark Abramowitz via EV]

 For energy storage, my understanding is that  best solution depends on a 
number of factors, like amount of time for storing and scale. Again, my 
understanding and recollection, is that for small scale and storage time of 
hours, batteries are superior. Compressed air, IIRC, pops up for shorter 
storage time periods, and partially overlaps batteries for use suitability. 
Hydro and hydrogen are good for long term and grid scale.
There's a good chart out there that I've seen in many forms that lays out well 
the technology with the appropriate solution(s). Let me know if you're 
interested in seeing it.


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 From: EVDL Administrator via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> To: ev@lists.evdl.org 
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Compressed Air Date: 10/1/16, 4:50 PM

 
On 30 Sep 2016 at 19:44, Michael Ross via EV wrote: 
 
> Can we discuss compressed air a a storage medium that can spin 
> electric motors in autos and trucks?  
 
Maybe, but I don't see how air can power a motor. 
 
We've had posts on compressed air cars before - check the archive - but  
those aren't EVs. 
 
See Wikipedia for a decent article on compressed air cars that explains why  
they've never made the big time despite nearly a century of tinkering witih  
the concept.  The problems are low efficiency and an energy density by  
volume that's worse than lead batteries. 
 
> Certain elements can be reformatted to higher energy states and then 
> reacted to power EV's.  
 
Isn't this how batteries work?
 
> There is a particular reaction that could be used to store energy from 
> sustainable, but temporally irregular energy sources.  It is a very 
> simple reaction, readily available ingredients are found everywhere for 
> little cost.  
 
And that is ... ??? 
 
> Technology exists to store the energy and release it, that is 
> sufficiently efficient (since there is no alternative other than to 
> waste solar and wind energy when it is inconveniently timed efficiency 
> becomes less concerning)  
 
As I understand it, batteries are the gold standard for efficiency in this.   
Between 20% and 80% SOC, lead batteries are close to 100% efficient.   
 
I'd guess that other types have similar ranges with similar efficiency. 
 
Air compressed in undergound mines has been used for utility load leveling.  
The programs so far have required natural gas input to warm the cold  
released air.  Their efficiency looks decent if you ignore the gas input.  
However, one source I read put the actual efficiency for air storage at 25- 
45%. 
 
Pumped hydro is much more common and supposedly runs 60-85% efficiency,  
though I admit I find that hard to believe too. 
 
The island of El Hierro is now generating almost all of their electricity  
with wind, and storing it with pumped hydro. 
 
> compressed air could do this, but I would really prefer it was a 
> compressed reactive gas not just nitrogen and some other lesser 
> components.  
 
Can you explain why? 
 
> If this particular gas was used, an additional use is possible, we 
> could use to power EVs.  
 
What gas are you talking about?  It almost seems as if you're avoiding  
naming it.  Why all the mystery?
 
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Re: [EVDL] Compressed Air

[Jay Summet via EV]

On 10/01/2016 08:34 PM, Cor van de Water via EV wrote:

I have reported before that almost 20 years ago I visited MDI in France,
who were supposed to release an air-powered car. I checked their physics
and came to the conclusion that without heat exchanger, their efficiency
would be horrible and the air engine would freeze up.


Living in Florida, I could see taking advantage of the expanding gas to 
provide air conditioning for your passenger compartment. Wouldn't 
improve the storage efficiency, but would at least provide a benefit on 
the expansion side. (more efficient than using the air driven 
turbine/motor to drive an AC compressor).



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Re: [EVDL] Should I Buy a Smart ED or a IMIEV or Chevy Spark?: 2014 Smart ED Service Manual Help

[Willie2 via EV]

On 10/01/2016 07:10 PM, Mark Hanson via EV wrote:

Hi Folks,

  


I didn't get a response on the service manual or where to get a battery for
the Smart ED 2013 - 2015 (used Smart) so I'm thinking maybe I should buy
something else (since the shop manuals/batteries are made of Unobtanium).
I Googled Service manuals for the Mitsubishi IMIev and Chevy Spark; were
available online like the Leaf.  It also looked like you could monitor
individual battery voltages, not sure if you can do that with the Smart ED.


I'm assuming you're shopping for a low range EV with a battery that can 
be cost effectively replaced when the time comes?


I bought an early Leaf expecting that I could replace the battery with 
something bigger, better, and cheaper after 5-10 years.  My Leaf battery 
lasted two years and Nissan refused to fix it.  I then bought a Tesla 
S.  Best car I've ever owned.  Since getting the Tesla, I've bought two 
imievs which seemed to be extraordinary values.  Both new, one cost a 
net of about $14k, the other about $8k.  I drive them in preference to 
the Tesla when trip length allows.  The jury is out on imiev battery 
longevity.  I've seen no alarming reports such as with Leaf.  But I have 
only about 10k miles and 4k miles on mine.  No detectable loss of 
capacity.  On the Tesla, about 83k miles with 90+% capacity.


There is an app for imievs which seems to have much more detailed 
monitoring than the terrible dash instrumentation.  I used to fiddle 
with the app but found dealing with the Android device too tedious.  And 
distracting.


I STILL look forward to having "cheaper, bigger, better" batteries 
available through non-OEM channels.


I would suggest getting in line for a Model 3 and just toughing it out 
until it arrives.  Maybe lease a lesser car.


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[EVDL] Should I Buy a Smart ED or a IMIEV or Chevy Spark?: 2014 Smart ED Service Manual Help

[Mark Hanson via EV]

Hi Folks,

 

I didn't get a response on the service manual or where to get a battery for
the Smart ED 2013 - 2015 (used Smart) so I'm thinking maybe I should buy
something else (since the shop manuals/batteries are made of Unobtanium).
I Googled Service manuals for the Mitsubishi IMIev and Chevy Spark; were
available online like the Leaf.  It also looked like you could monitor
individual battery voltages, not sure if you can do that with the Smart ED.
It looks like Mercedes doesn't want to sell any electric Smart ED's ($25K
for a battery replacement and no Service Manuals available.)  The Smart also
wants $80 per month battery rental that the other EV's don't require.  I
found from EVwest.com that they have 57V Tesla battery replacement modules
for $1k for the 2013 Smart only, 2014 on is the Deutsche ACCUmotive for $25K
replacement.  So maybe I should buy that with a Smart 2013?  Sounds like
that may be the only serviceable Smart unless buying two wrecked one's to
combine parts when the cells start to crap out.  Or maybe like on
EValbum.com convert one from gas like another guy did on an 05' model - but
it would be nice to have regen.

 

From: Mark Hanson [mailto:mhan...@hughes.net] 
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2016 7:45 PM
To: 'ev@lists.evdl.org'
Subject: RE: 2014 Smart ED Service Manual Help

 

 

 

Hi Folks,

 

I was thinking of buying a 2014 Smart ED but I can't find a service
manual/schematics, paid $60 to www.smarttekinfo.com and just a few
pamphlets, marketing fluff.  I tried for about $15 www.ALLDATAdiy.com with
similar results.  Contacting/emailing Smart just got marketing & $80/mo
battery rental info.  I have a Leaf currently and it was easy to
download/print the 3" thick shop manual on battery/charging/traction
controls/schematics but no dice with Smart.  When I called the local
Mercedes dealer they wanted $25K for a battery replacement at the typical
60K miles (the Leaf is $5.5K for a battery replacement). 

 

So is the Smart ED a throw-away car that you can't service?  Does anyone
know where to get a *service/shop manual* so I can feel comfortable
servicing like my Leaf?  Does anyone know where to by *battery cells* or
pack for a Smart ED?  

 

The local Mercedes dealer said they won't bother with Smarts maybe why their
annual sales were 2K and the Leaf was 20K last year.   It looks like on
www.batteryuniversity.com that the Volt, Leaf and Smart ED are all NMC
(Nickel Manganese Cobalt cathode with a lithium electrolyte and a graphite
anode) so should have about 60k miles life similar to LiFePO4.  The Smart ED
warranty is 4 years 48K miles Smart said without paying $80 battery rent per
month "battery assurance plan" nonsense.

 

I also use LeafSpy but didn't see info app like that for the Smart ED.  I'd
like to replace my electric Ghia www.evalbum.com/4346 soon when it needs $8k
batteries with a $8k 2014 Smart or similar small commuter car to make my 48
miles round trip to work.

 

Have a renewable energy day,

 

Mark

 

Mark E. Hanson

184 Vista Lane

Fincastle, VA 24090

540-473-1248 phone & FAX, 540-816-0812 cell

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Re: [EVDL] Compressed Air

[EVDL Administrator via EV]

On 30 Sep 2016 at 19:44, Michael Ross via EV wrote:

> Can we discuss compressed air a a storage medium that can spin
> electric motors in autos and trucks? 

Maybe, but I don't see how air can power a motor.

We've had posts on compressed air cars before - check the archive - but 
those aren't EVs.

See Wikipedia for a decent article on compressed air cars that explains why 
they've never made the big time despite nearly a century of tinkering witih 
the concept.  The problems are low efficiency and an energy density by 
volume that's worse than lead batteries.

> Certain elements can be reformatted to higher energy states and then
> reacted to power EV's. 

Isn't this how batteries work?   

> There is a particular reaction that could be used to store energy from
> sustainable, but temporally irregular energy sources.  It is a very
> simple reaction, readily available ingredients are found everywhere for
> little cost. 

And that is ... ???

> Technology exists to store the energy and release it, that is
> sufficiently efficient (since there is no alternative other than to
> waste solar and wind energy when it is inconveniently timed efficiency
> becomes less concerning) 

As I understand it, batteries are the gold standard for efficiency in this.  
Between 20% and 80% SOC, lead batteries are close to 100% efficient.  

I'd guess that other types have similar ranges with similar efficiency.

Air compressed in undergound mines has been used for utility load leveling. 
The programs so far have required natural gas input to warm the cold 
released air.  Their efficiency looks decent if you ignore the gas input. 
However, one source I read put the actual efficiency for air storage at 25-
45%.

Pumped hydro is much more common and supposedly runs 60-85% efficiency, 
though I admit I find that hard to believe too.

The island of El Hierro is now generating almost all of their electricity 
with wind, and storing it with pumped hydro.

> compressed air could do this, but I would really prefer it was a
> compressed reactive gas not just nitrogen and some other lesser
> components. 

Can you explain why?

> If this particular gas was used, an additional use is possible, we
> could use to power EVs. 

What gas are you talking about?  It almost seems as if you're avoiding 
naming it.  Why all the mystery?   

David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA
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Re: [EVDL] convert a mercedes

[Peri Hartman via EV]

You might think about whether you really want to keep the engine and add 
a generator. Things to consider:


- the overall weight, including the battery, will exceed the 
manufacturer's GVW.
- it will take more space to hold all those components, compromising the 
cabin.

- it will use fuel, even if you have ample energy in the battery.
- it needs a generator (or could you use the existing alternator?)
- it will be more complicated to maintain.

If you really need the extended range, you could do better with a much 
smaller genset that turns on only when your battery starts to get low. 
And you gain the space occupied by the motor and the fuel tank. Of 
course the tradeoff will be more expense:


- new genset,
- new small electric motor to run belt driven components (or replace 
them, too)


Peri

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Sent: 01-Oct-16 11:42:02 AM
Subject: [EVDL] convert a mercedes


ev

Hello,
I'm new to the ev world.
Originally I was planning on converting a manual drive Jetta with a 
pretty
standard package- I was confident that everything would be fine, 
but.
then I saw a beautiful Mercedes (I was in love) at a great price that 
my

wife wouldn't mind driving, and I came up with a plan; but I don't know
exactly how feasible my plan is. Here is what I am thinking:

-The drive shaft will be removed and an AC 75 installed directly to the 
rear

differential (the car weighs about 3500 pounds).
-The transmission will be removed.
-A generator will be connected to the engine and will engage when the 
power

drops below a certain range.
The air conditioning, power steering, alternator and other things will 
stay
as they are. The engine will run at all times when the car is driven, 
but
just at idle speed. The idle could even be drastically reduced with 
some

modification.
-The acceptable range is about 30 miles with lead acid batteries.
-This vehicle will be somewhat of a hybrid.

Please let me know your opinions.

Thank you!

Gerald

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Re: [EVDL] convert a mercedes

[Robert Bruninga via EV]

I think y ou need to seriously do some math on the energy needes and
sources  It makes no sense to keep the engine AND add a generator AND
add a thousand lbs of batteries and still keep the engine running and
burning fossil fuel.  What's the point?  Bob


On Sat, Oct 1, 2016 at 2:42 PM, Gerald via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote:

> ev
>
> Hello,
> I'm new to the ev world.
> Originally I was planning on converting a manual drive Jetta with a pretty
> standard package- I was confident that everything would be fine, but.
> then I saw a beautiful Mercedes (I was in love) at a great price that my
> wife wouldn't mind driving, and I came up with a plan; but I don't know
> exactly how feasible my plan is. Here is what I am thinking:
>
> -The drive shaft will be removed and an AC 75 installed directly to the
> rear
> differential (the car weighs about 3500 pounds).
> -The transmission will be removed.
> -A generator will be connected to the engine and will engage when the power
> drops below a certain range.
> The air conditioning, power steering, alternator and other things will stay
> as they are. The engine will run at all times when the car is driven, but
> just at idle speed. The idle could even be drastically reduced with some
> modification.
> -The acceptable range is about 30 miles with lead acid batteries.
> -This vehicle will be somewhat of a hybrid.
>
> Please let me know your opinions.
>
> Thank you!
>
> Gerald
>
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[EVDL] convert a mercedes

[Gerald via EV]

ev

Hello,
I'm new to the ev world.
Originally I was planning on converting a manual drive Jetta with a pretty
standard package- I was confident that everything would be fine, but.
then I saw a beautiful Mercedes (I was in love) at a great price that my
wife wouldn't mind driving, and I came up with a plan; but I don't know
exactly how feasible my plan is. Here is what I am thinking:

-The drive shaft will be removed and an AC 75 installed directly to the rear
differential (the car weighs about 3500 pounds).
-The transmission will be removed.
-A generator will be connected to the engine and will engage when the power
drops below a certain range.
The air conditioning, power steering, alternator and other things will stay
as they are. The engine will run at all times when the car is driven, but
just at idle speed. The idle could even be drastically reduced with some
modification.
-The acceptable range is about 30 miles with lead acid batteries.
-This vehicle will be somewhat of a hybrid.

Please let me know your opinions.

Thank you!

Gerald 

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Re: [EVDL] Echo-Voyager untethered> like a 7.5mpg undersea-Volt (upih) i-r:7500mi (v)

[Mark Abramowitz via EV]

amily 
Boeing  Mar 10, 2016 
Echo Voyager, Boeing’s latest unmanned undersea vehicle (UUV), can operate 
autonomously for months at a time thanks to a hybrid rechargeable power 
system and modular payload bay. The 51-foot-long vehicle is the latest 
innovation in Boeing’s UUV family, joining the 32-foot Echo Seeker and the 
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Echo Voyager, Boeing’s latest unmanned undersea vehicle (UUV), can operate
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Boeing’s Monstrous Underwater Robot Can Wander the Ocean for 6 Months
03.21.16  ALEX DAVIES

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Boeing's 51-foot long Echo Voyager can spend six months at a time wandering
the ocean

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The Voyager’s 7,500 mile range is enough to go from San Francisco to Hong
Kong
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AS FAR AS locales go, the bottom of the ocean is a particularly exasperating
place to explore. Anyone or anything you send down there has to contend with
the dark, with thousands of pounds of pressure on every square inch, with
the inability to replenish fuel supplies without returning to the mother
ship.

In recent years, unmanned undersea vehicles (UUVs) have improved the
situation, eliminating the need to send a human down below, or to attach an
unmanned vessel to a surface ship with a long umbilical cord. Those include
Boeing’s Echo Ranger and Echo Seeker underwater robots, which can spend a
few days at at time below the surface, with ranges measured in the tens or
hundreds of miles. That’s progress, but it’s not enough to emancipate the
UUV from the need for a nearby surface ship with a human crew, which piles
on costs.

Those UUV’s are “nothing more than an extension, or an application of the
surface ship,” says Lance Towers, who carries the impressively potent title
of director of sea and land at Phantom Works, Boeing’s R arm. They were
just one step better than leaning over the ship’s railing to peer into the
briny deep. “We said, we need to come up with a capability that allows us to
operate an autonomous underwater vehicle that does not require a surface
ship,” Towers says. That was in 2011.

Now, Boeing’s showing off the product of that decision. The Echo Voyager can
spend six months at a time exploring the deep sea, with a 7,500-mile range,
no ship needed. Structurally, the 51-foot Voyager’s not too different from
its little brothers, the 32-foot Seeker and 18-foot Ranger. The big
difference is the introduction of the hybrid rechargeable power system.

Like Boeing’s other UUVs, the 50-ton Voyager runs on lithium-ion or silver
zinc batteries that power it for a few days at a time. But instead of
scooting over to a ship any time it’s running low on power, the Voyager just
fires up a diesel generator that recharges the batteries. (It only turns on
the generator at the surface, so the exhaust can be piped into the air). The
Voyager works like a Chevy Volt, if the Volt carried a thousand gallons of
fuel and could drive from San Francisco to Hong Kong without hitting a gas
station. (The Volt is more fuel efficient, though—battling water resistance,
the Voyager goes just 7.5 miles per gallon.)

Boeing says customers could use the Voyager to inspect underwater
infrastructure, take water samples, create bathymetric maps of the ocean
floor, or help with oil and gas exploration. The UUV can link up with
satellites to send data back to its land-dwelling bosses, and uses standard
commercial interfaces, so clients don’t have to adapt their equipment or
software to use it. And because it will spend so much time wandering on its
own, the Voyager’s packed with redundant systems and backups, Towers says,
which partly accounts for its size.

The Voyager, which will be capable of operating under 11,000 feet of water,
has already spent time testing in Boeing’s 35-foot deep pool in Huntington
Beach, California, and will start sea trials off the California coast this
summer. Boeing hasn’t revealed its price, or when it will be commercially
available. But whenever it’s ready to strike out on its own, it’ll make the
ocean that much less of a pain in the ass to explore.
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Unmanned undersea vehicle can operate autonomously for months
March 29, 2016 ... "Echo Voyager can collect data while at sea, rise to the
surface, and provide information back to users in a near real-time
environment," said Lance Towers, director, Sea & Land, Boeing Phantom Works.
"Existing UUVs require a surface ship and crew for day-to-day operations.
Echo Voyager eliminates that need and associated costs." ...
[video
https://youtu.be/L9vPxC-qucw
Boeing’s Echo Voyager: Welcome to the Family
Boeing  Mar 10, 2016
Echo Voyager, Boeing’s latest unmanned undersea vehicle (UUV), can operate
autonomously for months at a time thanks to a hybrid rechargeable power
system and modular payload bay. The 51-foot-long vehicle is the latest
innovation in Boeing’s UUV family, joining the 32-foot Echo Seeker and the
18-foot Echo Ranger.
]




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