Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Fisker's 3D electrode li-ion promises 500Mi EV& 1min recharge

[Cor van de Water via EV]

David,
Talk to the operator of a large plant with heavy electric draws, how
they think about
load leveling.
I know of plants where they bought specialized equipment to sequence the
different
draws of startup of electric motors, just to reduce the peak draw as
their bill was
more determined by the maximum peak power that they would draw
instantaneously
during any time in a month, than the total electric consumption.
Reason is simple: the power plant needed to have that much power "on
tap"
even though it was not used 99.999% of the time.
So, starting different motors out of sequence and even turning some
loads OFF
deliberately just for the few seconds that the largest electric motors
were starting,
saved them big bucks, just from reducing their peaks.
And a big heater or electrolyzer that is turned off for a few seconds
makes no difference
in the result of that process other than that it may take a few seconds
longer for the
end result, but there are immediate savings.
And that was before battery storage was very common and efficient, today
they may opt
to start motors entirely from stored power.
I think that fast charging with load leveling, whether by battery
storage or by throttling
all stations a little if all try to draw max at the same time, until one
or more no longer
takes max power and the majority of the power can flow to a fewer nr of
stations,
certainly makes sense to reduce both cost of the connection as well as
pek power bill.
Note that many fast charging stations today need a commercial power
connection
because the 100+ Amps at around 400VDC means over 40kW continuous so it
is typically c
connected at 480V. EMW has developed a battery backed fast charging
ChadeMo station
that can live off the 12kW available from an RV outlet (240V 50A) and I
expect that just
the savings in connection required (residential instead of commercial)
makes up for the
investment in the battery bank.
Cor.

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On 20 Nov 2017 at 9:38, Cor van de Water via EV wrote:

> In my book charging a 40kWh battery in 1/60th hour (one minute) to 80%

> means 40 x 0.8 x 60 = 1920 kW, almost 2 Megawatt.

Thanks, absolutely correct.  I got unconscionably careless with my
powers of 10.  That shouldn't have passed the sniff test here.  Sorry.

For sure, 2 megawatts is much more manageable than 2 gigawatts, though
10 or
20 megawatts to run an EV "filling station" is still a pretty
substantial amount of power.  

Using a battery as a load leveler would certainly help, but also would
add operating expense.  It also makes me think about the PV folks who
tout the benefits of grid intertie for leveling THEIR loads.  :-)

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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Fisker's 3D electrode li-ion promises 500Mi EV& 1min recharge

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On 20 Nov 2017 at 9:38, Cor van de Water via EV wrote:

> In my book charging a 40kWh battery in 1/60th hour (one minute) to 80%
> means 40 x 0.8 x 60 = 1920 kW, almost 2 Megawatt. 

Thanks, absolutely correct.  I got unconscionably careless with my powers of 
10.  That shouldn't have passed the sniff test here.  Sorry.

For sure, 2 megawatts is much more manageable than 2 gigawatts, though 10 or 
20 megawatts to run an EV "filling station" is still a pretty substantial 
amount of power.  

Using a battery as a load leveler would certainly help, but also would add 
operating expense.  It also makes me think about the PV folks who tout the 
benefits of grid intertie for leveling THEIR loads.  :-)

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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Fisker's 3D electrode li-ion promises 500Mi EV& 1min recharge

[Cor van de Water via EV]

David,
In my book charging a 40kWh battery in 1/60th hour (one minute) to 80%
means
40 x 0.8 x 60 = 1920 kW, almost 2 Megawatt.
Still a pretty large number but not the power consumption of one of the
smaller states.
Since fueling a gas car can easily take 5 mins, I presume that 400kW of
power would be
more realistic and this is the capcity that a smallish business building
is connected at,
typical 480V 3-Phase so now you are down to less than 300 Amp per phase.
Of course, charging multiple cars will bring this up again but then you
can buffer with
a battery bank and just have a constant draw that is the average of the
amount of
oiwer that is delivered, so the time to pull up, get out of the car,
authenticate yourself
(with chip card) and pay (if not included in the authentication) and
after filling up, pulling
away from the station for the next person to be able to charge - during
all that time no
charge flows, so the average is always quite a bit lower than the peak.
With a battery bank to smooth out the peaks over slightly longer time it
can be assured
that no "pump" will cause more than half the peak value,
so with 5 "pumps" you will need no more than 1 MW connection.
Hope this clarifies,
Cor.

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On 20 Nov 2017 at 3:04, brucedp5 via EV wrote:

> If it lives up to expectations, this battery will provide electric 
> vehicles with a range of over 500 miles on a single charge. On top of 
> that, recharging will only take a minute.

How many times have I read these words?  Especially the "If it lives up
to expectations" part.

An EV with a 200 mile range will need a battery of at least 40kWh
capacity.  
Charging that battery to even 80% in 1 minute would require an
electrical service with a capacity of roughly 2 GIGAwatts - and that's
just for one car.  

If you wanted to charge, say, just 5 cars at once, you'd need at least
10gW of capacity.  That's about 1.3% of the ENTIRE US capacity.  

Where exactly is that kind of capacity going to come from?

I suspect this piece is little more than trolling for investors.

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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Fisker's 3D electrode li-ion promises 500Mi EV& 1min recharge

[Peri Hartman via EV]

I agree, the 1 minute claim really glosses over the bigger picture. It 
could become possible, though, if charge stations were composed of 
battery banks which recharged over, say, 30 minutes. But, overall, you 
could not service one vehicle every minute, continuously. Same as the 
original problem.


On the other hand, a full charge won't be needed on a daily basis for 
most cars. Those taking a freeway trip will need quick recharges, 
perhaps. (But 5 minutes might be more reasonable.) Otherwise, 
individuals might need to charge only once a week, assuming they can't 
do it at home.


So, a 1 minute charge time might be supportable as long as there aren't 
too many 1 minute charges in a row.


Peri

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On 20 Nov 2017 at 3:04, brucedp5 via EV wrote:


If it lives up to expectations, this battery will provide electric
vehicles with a range of over 500 miles on a single charge. On top of
that, recharging will only take a minute.


How many times have I read these words?  Especially the "If it lives up 
to

expectations" part.

An EV with a 200 mile range will need a battery of at least 40kWh 
capacity.
Charging that battery to even 80% in 1 minute would require an 
electrical
service with a capacity of roughly 2 GIGAwatts - and that's just for 
one

car.

If you wanted to charge, say, just 5 cars at once, you'd need at least 
10gW

of capacity.  That's about 1.3% of the ENTIRE US capacity.

Where exactly is that kind of capacity going to come from?

I suspect this piece is little more than trolling for investors.

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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Fisker's 3D electrode li-ion promises 500Mi EV& 1min recharge

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On 20 Nov 2017 at 3:04, brucedp5 via EV wrote:

> If it lives up to expectations, this battery will provide electric
> vehicles with a range of over 500 miles on a single charge. On top of
> that, recharging will only take a minute. 

How many times have I read these words?  Especially the "If it lives up to 
expectations" part.

An EV with a 200 mile range will need a battery of at least 40kWh capacity.  
Charging that battery to even 80% in 1 minute would require an electrical 
service with a capacity of roughly 2 GIGAwatts - and that's just for one 
car.  

If you wanted to charge, say, just 5 cars at once, you'd need at least 10gW 
of capacity.  That's about 1.3% of the ENTIRE US capacity.  

Where exactly is that kind of capacity going to come from?

I suspect this piece is little more than trolling for investors.

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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Car2Go Phasing Out Its EVs In The U.S.> (lack of charging infrastructure)

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On 20 Nov 2017 at 2:54, brucedp5 via EV wrote:

> "We believe that electric is the future, and when conditions evolve in
> North American cities we'd be glad to revisit EV carshare in the U.S.
> and Canada." 

It used to be "It's the battery, stupid."  Now it's the chargers.  

"We believe that electric is the future."

Right.  So noted.

Unsaid: "And when the charging situation improves, we'll find another reason 
not to."

I continue to think that vehicle sharing schemes and station cars are 
naturals for EVs.  To hell with Car2go.

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[EVDL] EVLN: EV-newswire posts for 20171119

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http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-Fisker-s-3D-electrode-li-ion-promises-500Mi-EV-1min-recharge-tp4688625.html
EVLN: Fisker's 3D electrode li-ion promises 500Mi EV& 1min recharge
Fisker is best known for creating the Fisker Karma electric luxury sports
sedan back in 2012 and now the EMotion ... hold 2.5x the energy density of
lithium-ion batteries ...

http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-27yrold-Ballendat-converted-a-BMW-into-an-electric-car-and-worked-Tesla-tp4688624.html
EVLN: 27yrold Ballendat converted a BMW into an electric car and worked
@Tesla
At the age of 27, he had already converted an old BMW into an electric car,
completed an internship at Tesla, and developed his own electric vehicle ...

http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-Car2Go-Phasing-Out-Its-EVs-In-The-U-S-lack-of-charging-infrastructure-tp4688623.html
EVLN: Car2Go Phasing Out Its EVs In The U.S.> (lack of charging
infrastructure)
“We believe that electric is the future, and when conditions evolve in North
American cities we'd be glad to revisit EV carshare in the U.S. and Canada
... it reflects the lack how the U.S. lags behind other countries in
charging infrastructure ...

+
http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/IT-firm-tmcs-co-uk-keen-to-i3-EV-lower-their-emissions-carbon-footprint-down-even-lower-tp4688622.html
IT firm tmcs.co.uk keen to i3 EV lower their emissions carbon footprint down
even lower
... UK Governments 2040 ban prompts IT firm to 'go electric' ...  to swap to
all-electric fleet ... Taylor Made's vehicle fleet will transition to
electric ... with ... new BMW i3 pool cars ...




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[EVDL] EVLN: Fisker's 3D electrode li-ion promises 500Mi EV& 1min recharge

[brucedp5 via EV]

http://in.pcmag.com/news/117575/fisker-battery-promises-500-mile-ev-range-1-minute-charging
Fisker Battery Promises 500 Mile EV Range, 1 Minute Charging
Nov. 14, 2017  Matthew Humphries

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500-mile-li-ion
]

This new battery uses three-dimensional electrodes to hold 2.5x the energy
density of lithium-ion batteries.

Lithium-ion continues to be the number one choice for rechargeable batteries
powering the gadgets we have in our pockets, the laptops we have in our
bags, and the electric vehicles we drive. But we need new battery tech which
is both safer to use and offers much higher energy density. Automotive
company Fisker may have the answer.

Fisker is best known for creating the Fisker Karma electric luxury sports
sedan back in 2012 and now the EMotion [
https://www.pcmag.com/news/349198/henrik-fisker-unveils-his-tesla-competitor
]. As Green Car Congress reports, Fisker this week filed a patent for a new
solid-state battery. If it lives up to expectations, this battery will
provide electric vehicles with a range of over 500 miles on a single charge.
On top of that, recharging will only take a minute.

That impressive combination of range and charge time is thanks to the use of
three-dimensional electrodes by Fisker. It allows the solid-state battery to
hold 2.5 times the energy density of the equivalent lithium-ion battery.

Fisker has apparently already overcome some limitations of current
solid-state battery technology including cold temperature operation and
charging time. Low cost and scalable manufacturing is promised, but Fisker
also points to the flexibility of its battery tech allowing it to be tweaked
to work with existing tooling, which again cuts costs and speeds up
production.

We shouldn't expect to see Fisker's battery appear anytime soon, though. The
patent is filed and Fisker is now talking with both automotive and
non-automotive companies about partnerships. Commercial application of the
solid-state battery isn't expected until 2023. Even so, one minute
recharging in five years sounds pretty good to me.
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[EVDL] EVLN: 27yrold Ballendat converted a BMW into an electric car and worked @Tesla

[brucedp5 via EV]

'We think about electric vehicles completely wrong'

http://www.businessinsider.com/former-tesla-intern-says-we-think-about-electric-cars-wrong-2017-11
A 27-year-old who converted a BMW into an electric car and worked for Tesla
is convinced we think about electric cars all wrong
Nov. 13, 2017  Valentina Resetarits

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Ballendat designed the 3D printer that's now in the office of his startup

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The interior of Ballendat's converted BMW
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 - At 22 years old, Felix Ballendat converted a BMW into an electric car in
only two and a half months.
 - He went on to secure an internship at Tesla, where he worked with the
battery division responsible for working on the Model 3.
 - Ballendat, now 27, found inspiration at Tesla for his startup Urmo, which
has developed a prototype for a small electric vehicle that folds up.
 - He thinks that the dominant approach to electric cars is wrong — and that
small electric vehicles are the future.

He never uses the brake because he doesn’t have to.

"In principle, it drives like a bumper car at the fair. You go off the
accelerator and it stops," says Felix Ballendat while sitting behind the
wheel of his BMW Z3.

Ballendat drives what is probably the world's only 1998 BMW Z3 that has
electric drive — because he converted it to an electric car himself. The car
was his wedding car when he got married last year.

Ballendat speaks very fast and determined. The same is true of his ideas: "I
always have wild ideas."

At the age of 27, he had already converted an old BMW into an electric car,
completed an internship at Tesla, and developed his own electric vehicle.
He struggled in high school until he discovered electric motors

Ballendat parks the BMW in front of his office, which the Munich University
of Applied Sciences supplied for his startup. Together with four other
students and employees, he is developing a new electric vehicle called Urmo,
which he intends to produce in series soon.

"I've stayed here on the couch several times before," says Ballendat, as he
enters the room. There are various prototypes of his vehicle. The prizes he
has already won decorate the walls. On the board, he and his colleagues
calculated something using a curve.

For a long time he was not interested in economic figures. He just wanted to
build. He has been fascinated by technology since he was a child.

Ballendat simply did not fit into the German school system. Throughout high
school, he struggled with finding interest in his classes. It was only when
he went to Austria to complete an apprenticeship as a CNC technician that
the school began to interest him.

"I was at an aircraft company and I found the work so exciting that learning
was easy for me." Other apprentices were looking forward to the smoke break.
Even at the age of 16, Ballendet was already interested in electric motors.

In his parents' garage, he set up his own workshop. He completed his
apprenticeship, winning the title of the best apprentice in the state of
Upper Austria. He went back to Germany and decided to catch up with by
enrolling in a vocational school.
In just two and a half months, he built an electric car

It only took Ballendat two and a half months to convert the BMW Z3 into an
electric car in 2012, a time when many people did not even know that cars
can run without petrol or diesel. He bought the used 1998 BMW Z3 for 5,000
euros and designed plans.

"In the beginning, I photographed every part that I have removed. That was a
lot of money for me at the time and I thought, I'll just build it back if it
does not work. At some point there was no going back."

Ballendat had to saw off the side panels to make room for the numerous
batteries. "I'm not a mechanic, so I was really scared to see if the car
would work in the end," says Ballendat.

 - We think about electric vehicles completely wrong.

But that did it. After two and a half months of conversion, he turned the
key and the electric car worked perfectly. With the BMW on a trailer, he
drove to TÜV for Regensburg with his mother. His car needed to be certified.
"Within a few minutes, the entire TÜV crew stood around my car and admired
it. At the time, that was something very unusual".

At the end, Ballendat received approval for his electric car.

The electric vehicle has 200 kilometers of range, which was important to the
builder. Shortly after completing the car, he began studying at the
University of Applied Sciences which meant his new car had to make at least
the 150 kilometers from Simbach to Munich without cargo. Even today he
drives this route still.

Companies started contacting him after he rebuilt the car

When he 

[EVDL] EVLN: Car2Go Phasing Out Its EVs In The U.S.> (lack of charging infrastructure)

[brucedp5 via EV]

https://jalopnik.com/the-smart-car-is-getting-phased-out-of-car2go-in-americ-1820414890
The Smart Car Is Eventually Getting Phased Out Of Car2Go In America
11/13/17  Patrick George

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Photo: Car2Go
]

While an all-new Smart Fortwo launched in 2015 and quickly made its way into
Car2Go fleets as well as private owners, months ago Mercedes-Benz announced
that the Fortwo would be going fully electric only in America. All new Smart
Fortwos in the U.S. will soon do away with the rear-mounted gas engine in
favor of batteries with a 60 mile range.


That does not mean Car2Go is transitioning to become an electric fleet to
keep up. Rather, the company says it’s beginning the process of moving off
Smarts altogether, shifting instead to Mercedes CLA sedans and GLA small
crossovers.


In other words, Car2Go’s about to get bigger and its cars more normal. While
the new Smarts are sticking around for a while, and replacing the older
“451” Smarts of years past, the future of the ride-sharing service is
Mercedes-Benz vehicles. The company has been announcing this to customers
over the past few months.

“We’d love to continue to offer a smart or similar size vehicle again if and
when that becomes an option once more,” a Car2Go spokesman told
Jalopnik.”And again, we’ve got a lot of new-gen Fortwos in NYC, DC,
Montreal, Toronto, Columbus and Vancouver that will be in service for quite
a while. While no other car is as nimble at fitting into tiny city street
parking spaces as the Smart, both the CLA and GLA are compact cars. GLA is
about a foot shorter than a CLA.”

It’s also kind of a shame because it reflects the lack how the U.S. lags
behind other countries in charging infrastructure.


“Car2Go does operate three successful EV fleets in Europe (Amsterdam,
Madrid, and Stuttgart) but they’re successful because those cities have
infrastructure necessary to operate EV carshare at scale,” the official
said. “We believe that electric is the future, and when conditions evolve in
North American cities we’d be glad to revisit EV carshare in the U.S. and
Canada.


Like I said, it’s a bit sad to see to see the famous blue-and-white Smarts
start to fade from our streets. But the charging network isn’t there, and
it’s kind of easy to see the GLA and CLA having much wider appeal to
car-sharing customers. I’ve often heard prospective customers say they were
put off by the Smart’s tiny size, and let’s face it, the previous generation
was pretty abysmal to drive. In addition, the Benzes are both relatively
small and come with backup cameras, so they can do city car duty more or
less fine.

In addition, one of the Smart Fortwo’s main selling points in some European
countries was perpendicular parking—it could be backed up so it’s facing the
street, not parallel to the curb. That seldom seemed to ever fly in the
U.S., so the car was just never quite as practical here as it was in its
home market.

So farewell, little blue and white Smarts. May you all end up in a budget
spec racing series someday.
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[EVDL] IT firm tmcs.co.uk keen to i3 EV lower their emissions carbon footprint down even lower

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https://fleetworld.co.uk/it-firm-to-swap-to-all-electric-fleet/
IT firm to swap to all-electric fleet
2017-11-13  Natalie Middleton  Stag Publications

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Six BMW i3s will serve in a car pool for 115 employees
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Fareham-based Taylor Made Computer Solutions is switching to an all-electric
fleet as it looks to slash its carbon footprint.

The company, which last year had one of the largest private business fleets
of Skodas in the UK, is to take delivery of six BMW i3s next month for use
as pool cars for the company’s 115 employees, backed up the installation of
a charger.

Founder and managing director Nigel Taylor said the rest of Taylor Made’s
vehicle fleet will transition to electric gradually over the coming years,
most likely with a range of different makes and models.

Taylor added: “Our current vehicles have relatively low emissions but we’re
keen to take our carbon footprint down even lower.”
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British IT firm to make a rapid switch to electric vehicles in its vehicle
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IT firm switches to BMW i3 pool cars
November 13, 2017 - Switched-on IT firm goes electric with BMW i3 pool cars
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https://www.sunshinecoastdaily.com.au/news/bmw-i3-electric-car-prices-get-a-charge-for-2018/3265016/
BMW i3 electric car prices get a charge for 2018
14th Nov 2017  AUD PRICES have risen by $600 for the new electric-powered
BMW i3, but a sporting derivative is a new inclusion among the 2018 variants
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