Re: [EVDL] EVtax: $150yr, $75yr for pih& hevs in MS (v)
brucedp5 via EV wrote: JACKSON, MS (WLBT) - Owners of hybrid and electric vehicles in Mississippi received a notice from the state Department of Revenue informing them of the new annual tax on their vehicles. The new tax, which took effect on October 1, will tax $75 for hybrid vehicles and $150 for total electric vehicles annually. State residents that drive gas-required vehicles are taxed 18 cents for every gallon of gas they purchase. The revenue collected goes toward the state’s transportation and infrastructure fund. State leaders adopted this new tax as an alternative to raising the gas tax. So let's see... How far does the average Mississipian drive per year? Let's say 15,000 miles. And let's say the average car gets 25 mpg. Then he's using 15000 miles / 25 mpg = 600 gallons, and paying $0.18 x 600 gallons = $108 tax per year. If he switched to a hybrid Prius and doubled his gas mileage, he'd spend half as much in gasoline taxes, or $54. But they are going to charge him an additional $75, so $129 per year. And if he switched to an EV, he'd pay $150 per year. It sounds like a *penalty* for driving hybrid or electric. -- Obsolete (Ob-so-LETE). Adjective. 1. Something that is simple, reliable, straightforward, readily available, easy to use, and affordable. 2. Not what the salesman wants you to buy. -- Lee Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, www.sunrise-ev.com ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] EVtax: $150yr, $75yr for pih& hevs in MS (v)
http://www.wlbt.com/2018/10/10/mississippi-imposes-new-tax-hybrid-electric-vehicles/
Mississippi imposes new tax on hybrid, electric vehicles
October 10, 2018 David Kenney
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Mississippi imposes new tax on hybrid, electric vehicles
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JACKSON, MS (WLBT) - Owners of hybrid and electric vehicles in Mississippi
received a notice from the state Department of Revenue informing them of the
new annual tax on their vehicles.
The new tax, which took effect on October 1, will tax $75 for hybrid
vehicles and $150 for total electric vehicles annually.
The tax is in addition to regular tag fees and must be paid at vehicle
registration or renewal.
Revenue attained from the tax will go towards the state’s highway fund,
infrastructure and the Department of Transportation. (hybrid car tax)
Cathy Waterbury, The associate commissioner of the Department of Revenue and
she said the revenue attained from the tax will go towards the state’s
highway fund, infrastructure and the Department of Transportation.
State residents that drive gas-required vehicles are taxed 18 cents for
every gallon of gas they purchase. The revenue collected goes toward the
state’s transportation and infrastructure fund.
“Raise the gas tax, I don’t know," said hybrid car owner Harry Baldwin.
"There’s got to be other ways, but I always thought the gas tax was a fair
way to go. You pay for what you use.”
State leaders adopted this new tax as an alternative to raising the gas tax.
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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: How solid state batteries are different> ($trolling?)
The usual BS. On 10/10/2018 11:10 PM, brucedp5 via EV wrote: https://dividendpassiveincome.blogspot.com/2018/10/worlds-first-super-battery-prototype.html World's First Super Battery Prototype Successfully Developed- Electric Car Revolution Coming Up and Sunset Industry for Oil and Gas Companies! 6 October 2018 Blade Knight ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] EVLN: EV-newswire posts for 20181010
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EVLN: How to tell if an EV is (Hurricane)water damaged
Electric cars and floods — not like peas and carrots
Sep 30, 2018 After Hurricane Florence dumped more than two feet of rain in
parts of North Carolina people may be wondering what happens to electric
cars (EV) in floods and ...
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EVLN: How solid state batteries are different> ($trolling?)
World's First Super Battery Prototype Successfully Developed- Electric Car
Revolution Coming Up and Sunset Industry for Oil and Gas Companies!
6 October 2018 2018 has been an amazing year for the progress of new
scientific breakthroughs. We live to witness the major leapfrog of another
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Jaguar Says That EV Battery Size Has Peaked and Will Begin to Shrink
OCT 5 2018 He believes that the auto industry's feverish race to increase
the size of electric car battery packs—to thereby pump up driving range—will
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[EVDL] EVLN: How solid state batteries are different> ($trolling?)
https://dividendpassiveincome.blogspot.com/2018/10/worlds-first-super-battery-prototype.html World's First Super Battery Prototype Successfully Developed- Electric Car Revolution Coming Up and Sunset Industry for Oil and Gas Companies! 6 October 2018 Blade Knight [images https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-sOJHobmy09w/W7hznGqA3hI/Bc4/oR6Q_KNDDWsEOM0qqkWBg77uHaV98fwsACLcBGAs/s1600/1-Battery.jpg https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-sdE0gsKjrxE/W7iWMnweQrI/BdE/5HkL8LFMAn8dLQb7R8r4XnD3QtTjRRueQCLcBGAs/s640/2-Solid%2BState%2BBattery-C4V.jpg Magnis Resources newly unveiled world's first working solid state battery prototype ] 2018 has been an amazing year for the progress of new scientific breakthroughs. We live to witness the major leapfrog of another new battery technology during our life time since the development of the first lithium ion battery in 1980. Billions of dollars have been invested by many companies seeking to be the first to develop a super battery to overcome the current constraint of limited power storage in our traditional batteries. The solid state battery technology has been the long awaited break through in battery technology that is poised to solve 3 main obstacles hampering the use of electric car, namely, (i) making the range of electric car match the current petrol/diesel car from a single full tank, (ii) cutting down the recharging time of 8 hrs to less than 15 mins and (iii) inadequate safety of the use of current batteries which are prone to fire. Earlier this year, many experts believed that we are at least a decade away from refining the solid state battery technology. It is thus quite shocking when Magnis Resources (a company listed on ASX) announced that they have come up with the world's first working prototype of a solid state battery on 2nd Oct 2018. Mass production is expected to be deployed by 2nd quarter of 2019. There were many scientists who had initially poured scorn on the solid state battery theory as it defies the law of thermodynamics with regard to the law of conservation of energy. There are in fact other mysterious new scientific technology breakthrough such as the development of EM Drive propulsion system to power future spaceship for interstellar travel which violates the law of Physics (Newtons's 3rd law of motion which states that for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction). The successful unveiling of the solid state prototype also means that the solid state battery technology is commercially viable albeit no one can properly explain the theory behind the strange phenomenon. Such battery can also be used in our smart phones. Imagine long lasting power in your smart phones that can be used for up to 1 week eventually without recharging. Also, imagine being able to recharge your smart phones in less than 5 mins. What are solid state batteries and how are they different from traditional batteries? This is the latest battery technology that uses both solid electrodes and solid electrolytes, instead of the liquid or polymer electrolytes found in lithium ion batteries. Solid state batteries are believed to be capable of significantly higher energy density to current traditional battery. Solid state batteries are also able to be recharged at a super fast rate and expected to be longer cycle life. In addition, as compared to the flammable liquid electrolytes in traditional battery, a solid state battery uses materials such as glass or ceramics etc which are safer. Magnis Resources newly unveiled world's first working solid state battery prototype As an example of the capabilities of this technology, the Magnis Resources C4V solid state battery will be capable of delivering a 70% increase in range for electric vehicles when compared to other conventional batteries, thus allowing an electric car with a current 400km range to be able to run 680km on the same single charge. Impact of solid state battery technology on renewable energy development The new solid state battery could be the "missing piece" in sustainable energy development. For too long, wind and solar energy generation are unreliable due to the inconsistency of wind or solar at all times of the day. The super batteries can be built into the smart power grid system to store excess electricity generated from such sources at a particular active time and then release the supply of energy at any time of its choosing. The expected tougher durability in terms of the re-use from repeated recharging of a solid state battery is also expected to bring cost down further. Impact of new battery technological breakthrough on Oil & Gas Industry With the ever evolution of new battery technology and development of sustainable renewable energy, the reliance on fossil fuel is finally broken and coming to an end. Oil and Gas companies certainly have to prepare for the inevitable downturn of the whole industry in the next 2 decades. I have no doubt that this will be a declining industry.
[EVDL] EVLN: How to tell if an EV is (Hurricane)water damaged
http://www.digitaljournal.com/tech-and-science/technology/electric-cars-and-floods/article/533322
Electric cars and floods — not like peas and carrots
Sep 29, 2018 Ken Hanly
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As of December 2016, the Nissan Leaf is the world's all-time best-selling
electric car with more than 250,000 units sold since 2010. Mic from Reading
- Berkshire, United Kingdom (CC BY 2.0)
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https://youtu.be/eYgeaT46xCk
Will I lose MORE Money on this Flood Tesla?
https://youtu.be/H78AhRik04I
Repairing a Flooded Tesla Model S Part one
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After Hurricane Florence dumped more than two feet of rain in parts of North
Carolina people may be wondering what happens to electric cars (EV) in
floods and afterwards. This is of particular concern to EV owners.
Flood damage to an electric car depends upon conditions
Different people gave different answers.
You Tube user Rich Rebuilds, rebuilt a Tesla Model S he bought for $14,000
that had been flooded by Hurricane Sandy in New Jersey back in 2012. The
entire battery, motor, and all the drive electronics had been sitting in
salt water in the bottom 14 inches of the car. The model S was a total
insurance loss.
Rich has a multi-part series of his trials and tribulations rebuilding the
car. He found he could not buy parts from Tesla and he also discovered that
the car was in salt water that would cause much more damage than fresh
water. Below I have appended the first part of his series.
When dismantling the car Rich found that after sitting in the salt water,
the battery pack was waterlogged. 12 of 16 modules in the pack were OK.
However, one of the four that were not, was so corroded that it began
exploding as Rich took it apart.
Rich did manage to finally rebuild the Tesla. A bear for punishment, he
undertook to repair another one but this one from fresh water and he had
less trouble as shown on the appended video. He made sure the fuse was
removed so that he would not be exposed to high voltage. Rich has a warning
on his videos not to try this at home but leave it to the experts. Do as he
says not as he does!
Jeff Wandell, the EV spokesperson for Nissan said that in their EV's the
high-voltage components such as the battery, traction motor, and inverter
are all waterproof claiming :"So no need to rebuild or replace the battery
pack."
One expert said that lithium is highly flammable. When it does catch fire it
produces great heat when exposed to water. However, battery cells are
usually sealed and water tight. However, it is larger packs and wiring that
can become waterlogged and damaged in some cars. Wiring harnesses and
electronic circuit boards can be corroded. Even if they work at first, their
lifespan can be significantly shortened. Beyond this, electric cars suffer
the same sorts of damages from a flood and water than any other car.
How to tell if a car is water damaged
If there has been water in the carpets, seats, seat belts, or other soft
parts, mold can develop. This can become a breathing hazard. Damage to cars
that have been in salt water is often much greater than in fresh water but
both are damaging.
When buying an EV that may have been subject to flood damage check the seat
tracks, also the head of hidden screws under the dash to see if there is
corrosion. Look under the carpets, and behind taillights for muddy residue
which are sure signs that the car has been submerged.
Special arrangements for EV's during hurricane Florence
The mass evacuations caused by Florence create special difficulties for
those with EVs, especially older models that have a relatively short range.
These may require several charges before they are out of danger of the huge
hurricane. Chargers on the way out of the area may become crowded and the
hurricane force winds and rains may make some of them inoperable.
Lanny Hartmann a Baltimore Maryland EV enthusiast devoted part of his EV
website, PluginSites.org to helping evacuees with EVs while the storm
lasted. His site included storm advisories, news reports, and reports of
places where evacuees could stay, as well as special information to help EV
owners evacuating.
One such piece of information was a notice from Tesla that said: "We are
temporarily enabling your car to access additional battery capacity, as well
as free Supercharging, in preparation for Hurricane Florence. We hope that
this gives you the peace of mind to get to a safe location, and will notify
you before returning your car to its original configuration in mid-October.
Badging on your display may adjust during this period. Safe travels!"
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Re: [EVDL] Why I Won't Buy a Tesla
On 9 Oct 2018 at 0:28, Rod Hower via EV wrote: > You probably shouldn't use microcontrollers because they have millions > of transistors with the potential of failure, better stick with the > bipolar transistor! I'm not an engineer, so correct me if this doesn't make sense, but I don't think it's quite the same. The microcontroller has lots of semiconductors, but they're all formed at one go on one substrate. OTOH, the lithium cells are individual units, manufactured individually, with individually welded (I think) connections. I too was skeptical about the Tesla ant colony battery construction -- which IIRC actually was used in earlier EVs with much less publicity and far lower production numbers. I believe the T-Zero Roadster was one of them. However, in the real world, they seem to get better results than I expected. Bravo for them. David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA EVDL Administrator = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = EVDL Information: http://www.evdl.org/help/ = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Note: mail sent to "evpost" and "etpost" addresses will not reach me. To send a private message, please obtain my email address from the webpage http://www.evdl.org/help/ . = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: 45 li-ion battery-making gigfactories around the world
But it does add hope to having cheaper backup batteries for homes and power leveling. Peri -- Original Message -- From: "Lee Hart via EV" To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" Cc: "Lee Hart" Sent: 10-Oct-18 9:01:50 AM Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: 45 li-ion battery-making gigfactories around the world Jay Summet via EV wrote: However, the availability of used / salvage large format cells will increase greatly as more and more EV's are crashed or reach end of life for other reasons. That's true. It benefits hobby EV'ers like me. :-) But, the hobby EV market is almost dead. It seems that no one wants to build their own EV when they can buy a new one from a major automaker with huge subsidies, or get a used one dirt cheap. -- Obsolete (Ob-so-LETE). Adjective. 1. Something that is simple, reliable, straightforward, readily available, easy to use, and affordable. 2. Not what the salesman wants you to buy. -- Lee Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, www.sunrise-ev.com ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: 45 li-ion battery-making gigfactories around the world
Jay Summet via EV wrote: However, the availability of used / salvage large format cells will increase greatly as more and more EV's are crashed or reach end of life for other reasons. That's true. It benefits hobby EV'ers like me. :-) But, the hobby EV market is almost dead. It seems that no one wants to build their own EV when they can buy a new one from a major automaker with huge subsidies, or get a used one dirt cheap. -- Obsolete (Ob-so-LETE). Adjective. 1. Something that is simple, reliable, straightforward, readily available, easy to use, and affordable. 2. Not what the salesman wants you to buy. -- Lee Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, www.sunrise-ev.com ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: 45 li-ion battery-making gigfactories around the world
However, the availability of used / salvage large format cells will increase greatly as more and more EV's are crashed or reach end of life for other reasons. Jay On 10/09/2018 11:37 PM, Rush Ironandwood via EV wrote: And come Jan 1, the import tariff will increase by 25%... under the ‘MAGA’ plan. On Oct 9, 2018, at 8:31 PM, Alan Arrison via EV wrote: This is nonsense. The Chinese CALB cells cost more than ever. (Yes, i realize they are talking about cells for production vehicles) They won't go down either. Al On 10/9/2018 11:02 PM, brucedp5 via EV wrote: https://stockhead.com.au/tech/battery-prices-are-plunging-and-that-could-drive-an-electric-car-industry-in-australia/ Battery prices are plunging and that could drive an electric car industry in Australia October 5, 2018 Rachel Williamson [images https://stockhead.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/Ev-rubbish-truck.jpg https://stockhead.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/Ev-retrofit-truck.jpg ] The cost of lithium batteries could drop up to 95 per cent in the next decade, leading to a dramatic expansion in opportunities related to electric cars, says the boss of one of Australia’s newest electric vehicle companies. Right now batteries are among the most expensive components in electric cars. That’s been a major drag on sales — and has limited the market for batteries and related materials. But that’s about to change says Tony Fairweather, managing director of Melbourne electric vehicle (EV) retrofitter SEA Electric. SEA Electric retrofits commercial trucks and vans to electric power. Smaller, cheaper and more energy-dense batteries mean Mr Fairweather’s business can retrofit an increasing variety of vehicles. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: 45 li-ion battery-making gigfactories around the world
And come Jan 1, the import tariff will increase by 25%... under the ‘MAGA’ plan. > On Oct 9, 2018, at 8:31 PM, Alan Arrison via EV wrote: > > This is nonsense. The Chinese CALB cells cost more than ever. > > (Yes, i realize they are talking about cells for production vehicles) > > They won't go down either. > > Al > > >> On 10/9/2018 11:02 PM, brucedp5 via EV wrote: >> >> https://stockhead.com.au/tech/battery-prices-are-plunging-and-that-could-drive-an-electric-car-industry-in-australia/ >> Battery prices are plunging and that could drive an electric car industry in >> Australia >> October 5, 2018 Rachel Williamson >> >> [images >> https://stockhead.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/Ev-rubbish-truck.jpg >> >> https://stockhead.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/Ev-retrofit-truck.jpg >> ] >> >> The cost of lithium batteries could drop up to 95 per cent in the next >> decade, leading to a dramatic expansion in opportunities related to electric >> cars, says the boss of one of Australia’s newest electric vehicle companies. >> >> Right now batteries are among the most expensive components in electric >> cars. That’s been a major drag on sales — and has limited the market for >> batteries and related materials. >> >> But that’s about to change says Tony Fairweather, managing director of >> Melbourne electric vehicle (EV) retrofitter SEA Electric. >> >> SEA Electric retrofits commercial trucks and vans to electric power. >> >> Smaller, cheaper and more energy-dense batteries mean Mr Fairweather’s >> business can retrofit an increasing variety of vehicles. >> >> > > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
