Re: [EVDL] hydrogen isn't green, after all
On 19 Aug 2021 at 15:51, Ed Blackmond via EV wrote: > Do *you* see *any* advantages? I'd also like to know what prompted Mark to choose an FCEV over a BEV. I'm also curious as to whether he'd make the same choice today. BEVs have made significant advances in range and charging speed in just the last couple of years. I've read that Tesla has broken the 400 mile barrier, and that their superchargers are supposed to hit 300kW soon. I'm not a mindreader, but I suspect that Mark might feel heavily outnumbered here. Let's try to give him some space to state his reasons for his choice, in peace, without immediately jumping in to refute them. He may be the only person on this discussion list, or nearly so, to have bought an FCEV. But Toyota has sold about 8,400 Mirais since the car came out in 2015, so he's not alone. I think it's good for us to understand why an FCEV would be someone's choice, if only to consider how BEVs might counter their advantages both real and perceived, and win more buyers in the long run. David Roden, EVDL moderator & general lackey To reach me, don't reply to this message; I won't get it. Use my offlist address here : http://evdl.org/help/index.html#supt = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = It will always be one of the best jokes of democracy that it gives its deadly enemies the means to destroy it. -- Joseph Goebbels = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = ___ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC fields UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ LIST INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org
Re: [EVDL] hydrogen isn't green, after all
Do *you* see *any* advantages? If so, what are they? Ed > On Aug 19, 2021, at 12:32 PM, Mark Abramowitz via EV > wrote: > > I guess no one sees *any* advantages? I wonder why? Is everyone using the > same 20 year old information that some are using? Believing some of the > myths? Are people afraid that if they list something they will be attacked or > bullied by a few who do that here? > > It’s very odd that absolutely no one answered your question about advantages. > > - Mark > > Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > >> On Aug 17, 2021, at 12:49 PM, Peter VanDerWal via EV >> wrote: >> >> What, exactly, do people see as the advantage(s) of a FCEV over a BEV? >> >> There are tons of disadvantages, higher cost to build, higher cost to >> operate, lower efficiency, no existing infrastructure, etc.; so what is the >> big advantage that would make them worth while? >> ___ >> Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org >> No other addresses in TO and CC fields >> UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >> ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ >> LIST INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >> > > ___ > Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org > No other addresses in TO and CC fields > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ > LIST INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org ___ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC fields UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ LIST INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org
Re: [EVDL] hydrogen isn't green, after all
Mark, I've read your comments and if FCEVs are 7 years behind BEVs like you printed, what is going to propel them past BEVs? In what sort of timeframe? All the major automakers (even Toyota is acknowledging they may have made a mistake) have announced they are going to BEVs. They are putting their research dollars, yen, euros, and yuans into battery, motor, and charger development. I go out to Plugshare and there are close to 2 dozen independent recharging station companies out there. Here is a map of just the level 3 chargers: https://afdc.energy.gov/fuels/hydrogen_locations.html#/find/nearest?fuel=ELEC_levels=3 I don't see that sort of commitment with respect to hydrogen refueling stations. The ones I do see are Big Oil demos hyping hydrogen in very limited areas. Here is a map of the hydrogen refueling stations: https://afdc.energy.gov/fuels/hydrogen_locations.html#/find/nearest?fuel=HY_levels=3 Frisco, LA, Vancouver, and one in Quebec The motels are all putting in Tesla & J1772 L2 (mostly) to L3 chargers. So are a number of gasoline stations. Our local Sheetz chain hosts a number of Supercharger stations. EVgo has opened it 800th fast charging station: https://www.cspdailynews.com/fuels/evgo-opens-its-800th-fast-charging-location and that is over a year and a half ago. Have they ever gotten past using platinum in the fuel cell stack? I've looked at your arguments but I don't see hydrogen anywhere in the near to even distant future. The overwhelming evidence is that we are going to BEVs. On Thu, Aug 19, 2021 at 3:32 PM Mark Abramowitz via EV wrote: > I guess no one sees *any* advantages? I wonder why? Is everyone using the > same 20 year old information that some are using? Believing some of the > myths? Are people afraid that if they list something they will be attacked > or bullied by a few who do that here? > > It’s very odd that absolutely no one answered your question about > advantages. > > - Mark > > Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > > > On Aug 17, 2021, at 12:49 PM, Peter VanDerWal via EV > wrote: > > > > What, exactly, do people see as the advantage(s) of a FCEV over a BEV? > > > > There are tons of disadvantages, higher cost to build, higher cost to > operate, lower efficiency, no existing infrastructure, etc.; so what is the > big advantage that would make them worth while? > > ___ > > Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org > > No other addresses in TO and CC fields > > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > > ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ > > LIST INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > > > > ___ > Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org > No other addresses in TO and CC fields > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ > LIST INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > ------ next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20210819/6e62503f/attachment.html> ___ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC fields UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ LIST INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org
Re: [EVDL] hydrogen isn't green, after all
On 19 Aug 2021 at 11:22, Mark Abramowitz via EV wrote: > ItTMs very odd that absolutely no one answered your question about > advantages. Well, as Packard used to say, "Ask the man who owns one." As far as I know, which admittedly isn't all that far, you're the only person on this list who owns an FCEV. David Roden, EVDL moderator & general lackey To reach me, don't reply to this message; I won't get it. Use my offlist address here : http://evdl.org/help/index.html#supt = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = A developed country is not a place where the poor have cars. It's where the rich use public transportation. -- Gustavo Petro = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = ___ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC fields UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ LIST INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org
Re: [EVDL] hydrogen isn't green, after all
I've been trying to think of some advantages mark. But I've come up empty. Help us out! On Thu, Aug 19, 2021, 14:32 Mark Abramowitz via EV wrote: > I guess no one sees *any* advantages? I wonder why? Is everyone using the > same 20 year old information that some are using? Believing some of the > myths? Are people afraid that if they list something they will be attacked > or bullied by a few who do that here? > > It’s very odd that absolutely no one answered your question about > advantages. > > - Mark > > Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > > > On Aug 17, 2021, at 12:49 PM, Peter VanDerWal via EV > wrote: > > > > What, exactly, do people see as the advantage(s) of a FCEV over a BEV? > > > > There are tons of disadvantages, higher cost to build, higher cost to > operate, lower efficiency, no existing infrastructure, etc.; so what is the > big advantage that would make them worth while? > > ___ > > Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org > > No other addresses in TO and CC fields > > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > > ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ > > LIST INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > > > > ___ > Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org > No other addresses in TO and CC fields > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ > LIST INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > ------ next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20210819/8f8060ba/attachment.html> ___ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC fields UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ LIST INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org
Re: [EVDL] hydrogen isn't green, after all
I guess no one sees *any* advantages? I wonder why? Is everyone using the same 20 year old information that some are using? Believing some of the myths? Are people afraid that if they list something they will be attacked or bullied by a few who do that here? It’s very odd that absolutely no one answered your question about advantages. - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > On Aug 17, 2021, at 12:49 PM, Peter VanDerWal via EV > wrote: > > What, exactly, do people see as the advantage(s) of a FCEV over a BEV? > > There are tons of disadvantages, higher cost to build, higher cost to > operate, lower efficiency, no existing infrastructure, etc.; so what is the > big advantage that would make them worth while? > ___ > Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org > No other addresses in TO and CC fields > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ > LIST INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > ___ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC fields UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ LIST INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org
Re: [EVDL] [EVLN] hydrogen isn't green, after all
On 19 Aug 2021 at 8:31, jim--- via EV wrote: > Here's a link to the article if you can read it > > https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2021-08-10/hydrogen-highway-or-highway- > to-nowhere The article didn't seem to be paywalled. It's quoted below for anyone having trouble. If you live in the LA area, please subscribe to the newspaper. I have to say that the piece reads like the early, highly pessimistic media pieces on EVs. However, it's hard to argue with its general thesis. I wasn't surprised at all the H2 driver complaints. Early EV adopters griped the same way about public charging problems. Some still do. It would be interesting to see how much driving on H2 would make up for the amount of fuel used and carbon released in flatbed-towing an empty, stranded FCEV to a filling station. For me the real eye-opener in this piece was that California's "green" H2 that we recently praised here on the list isn't made by electrolysis. It's made from natural gas, and the refiners are using purchased carbon credits to "greenwash" it. Is California´s `Hydrogen Highway´ a road to nowhere? [Photo omitted + caption: True Zero is opening more hydrogen stations, including this one in Orange County´s Aliso Viejo that began operating in June. (Carolyn Cole / Los Angeles Times)] By EVAN HALPER | LOS ANGELES TIMES EXCLUSIVE Photography by Carolyn Cole / Videography by Jackeline Luna Carolyn Cole Aug. 10, 2021 3 AM PT Soon after Maribel Munoz joined the trailblazing ranks of American owners of hydrogen cars - a group that exists only in California - she began to fear that the low price of the taxpayer-subsidized Toyota Mirai she purchased came with a tremendous cost. "You can´t have a job and own this car," said the 49-year-old clothing designer from Azusa. "Finding fuel for it becomes your job. It is constant anxiety. I told the guy at Toyota, `If I have a stroke, it´s on you.´" Munoz found herself stranded with an empty tank on the highway and stressed out by the repeated fuel shortages Mirai drivers call "hydropocalypses." She struggled not to scream at her phone after driving miles to stations that a hydrogen fueling app said were working just fine, only to find them out of order. These are the kind of hassles that can come with being an early adopter. But in the case of California´s "Hydrogen Highway" - a network of fueling stations then-Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger dreamed would lure masses of Americans to hydrogen vehicles - even the most climate-conscious, tech-savvy motorists are asking: What´s the point? The Hydrogen Highway was meant to stretch from coast to coast. But after 17 years, it has yet to make it past the state line. Environmentalists warn that the futuristic hydrogen fuel cell cars, marketed as producing zero emissions, leave an inexcusably heavy carbon footprint. The few automakers that have not backed away from the concept of powering a passenger car by splitting off electrons from hydrogen ions are struggling to persuade drivers that the vehicles are a reliable alternative to zero- emission battery-powered ones. And other states that typically look to California for climate-friendly transportation inspiration are taking a pass. [Photo omitted + caption: Maribel Munoz, a clothing designer from Azusa, got rid of her hydrogen-powered Toyota Mirai after finding the fuel supply system too stressful. "It is constant anxiety. I told the guy at Toyota, `If I have a stroke, it´s on you.´" (Carolyn Cole / Los Angeles Times)] "It started as kind of a bad bet by the state," said Ethan Elkind, director of the climate program at UC Berkeley´s Center for Law, Energy and the Environment. "Now it has become a legacy zombie technology." California can´t let go of Schwarzenegger´s vision. In 2004, he famously got behind the wheel of a clunky Hummer prototype that ran on hydrogen to signal that drivers can have it all: the excess and convenience of a gas guzzler, with none of the emissions. (It turned out that the hydrogen Hummer wasn´t so climate-friendly and never made it to commercial production.) State officials say the hydrogen experiment is merely experiencing the growing pains of every transportation innovation California pushed into the mainstream. The Biden administration is right there alongside California, championing lucrative subsidies and demonstration projects aimed at making hydrogen fuel an affordable and truly green alternative, one that it hopes could complement the battery-powered electric vehicle market. "Ten years ago, people would have come to me and said, `Why is California supporting battery vehicles? There is hardly any market, and they will never be competitive,´" said Patty Monahan, a member of the California Energy Commission. Of course, battery electric vehicles are all the rage now. It started as kind of a bad bet by the state. Now, it has become a legacy zombie technology. [Photo omitted +
Re: [EVDL] Melted LEAF charge port
Yes, have already ordered a J1772 plug from a company whose name begins with a D— for the reasons you cite. I still would pay dearly if the specific steps were on YouTube, though. Sincerely, Bob Bath Note: any misspellings of the contents of this message are due to 56 y.o. vision, hyperactive spell check changing what I typed, or fat fingering— not cluelessness. > On Aug 19, 2021, at 6:38 AM, Haudy Kazemi via EV wrote: > > Even on a 2012, there are connectors on the orange wiring harness, up > front, that will allow the charge port assembly to be disconnected from the > rest of the system. Should not need to do anything with the rear mounted > charger system itself. The front bumper will probably need to be removed, > and maybe some other front stuff, to get the needed access. > > Basic tools should be sufficient (screwdrivers/socket set/plyers). I'd > consider the task to be DIY-friendly, at least if you have a helper for the > bumper. Avoid disconnecting any air conditioning refrigerant lines. There > are also heater/coolant lines in the front. I think it should be possible > to work around these lines. > > Also plan on replacing both the J1772 plug and socket, as a bad plug will > damage a bad socket, and vice versa. Failing J1772 ports on cars can damage > previously good charger plugs at stations. Failing J1772 charger plugs at > stations can damage previously good ports on cars. > > The contacts are likely pitted from arcing, which leads to high resistance, > which leads to heating, and eventually melting. Sometimes the arcing can be > heard, especially if it is severe, or you may smell ozone near a freshly > disconnected connector. > > My advice is to periodically inspect the charge port and charge plugs, > especially when using a new station. > > > >> On Thu, Aug 19, 2021, 04:29 Jay Summet via EV wrote: >> >> Do you have a 2011/2012? (They are weird with the charger behind the >> back seat). >> >> If you have a 2013 or newer: >> >> The charge port low voltage lines attaches to the cars wiring harness >> under the hood (for the pilot/proximity wires and the LED light (if you >> have one) with a small plug. >> >> The L1/L2/N (larger high voltage power wires) connect to the top of the >> "motor" stack (The charger/power distribution box/ Power Delivery >> Module) with larger bolts. >> >> For a 2011/2012 I could see it being an 8-10 hour process. For a 2013 >> I'd expect it to take a shop less than 2 hours if they knew what they >> were doing, or 4 hours if they were following along with a service >> manual and doing it for the first time. >> >> Specifically look at page VC-141 in the Vehicle Charging (vc.pdf) file >> for instructions on removing the J1772 charge port. >> >> If you can find a wrecked Leaf in a Pull-a-part junkyard, it would be >> MUCH cheaper (and well within the ability of a garage mechanic) to swap >> it out yourself (on a 2013+...on a 2011/2012I'm sure the wire snakes >> all over the car and it might be easier just to have the shop do it for >> you >> >> Jay >> >>> On 8/18/21 11:38 PM, Bob Bath via EV wrote: >>> Hey all, >>>Went out to find my J1772 EVSE melted to my charge port. >>> Nothing on my Nissanleaf.com, nor YouTube about installing $600 >> replacement harness and charge port. >>> Given that Nissan wants 1200 shop time, I’m curious as to see if >> that’s a legit 8-10 hour process. And given the possibility it might happen >> 8 years from now, I’d like to do it myself next time. >>> Ideas? >>>> >>>> UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >>>> ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ >>>> LIST INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >>> >>> ___ >>> Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org >>> No other addresses in TO and CC fields >>> UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >>> ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ >>> LIST INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >>> >> ___ >> Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org >> No other addresses in TO and CC fields >> UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >> ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ >> LIST INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >> > -- next part -- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/202108
Re: [EVDL] hydrogen isn't green, after all
With all this discussion about hydrogen for fuel, there is a front page article in the 19 August Los Angeles Times about using hydrogen as vehicle fuel. Even here in southern California, it paints a fairly dismal picture - mostly because of the almost total lack of fuel availability. I am a print (which also gets me the online version) of the LA Times so I could find the article online, however it appears to be subscriber only. Here's a link to the article if you can read it https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2021-08-10/hydrogen-highway-or-highway-to-nowhere 73 - Jim Walls - K6CCC j...@k6ccc.org ___ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC fields UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ LIST INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org
Re: [EVDL] Melted LEAF charge port
Even on a 2012, there are connectors on the orange wiring harness, up front, that will allow the charge port assembly to be disconnected from the rest of the system. Should not need to do anything with the rear mounted charger system itself. The front bumper will probably need to be removed, and maybe some other front stuff, to get the needed access. Basic tools should be sufficient (screwdrivers/socket set/plyers). I'd consider the task to be DIY-friendly, at least if you have a helper for the bumper. Avoid disconnecting any air conditioning refrigerant lines. There are also heater/coolant lines in the front. I think it should be possible to work around these lines. Also plan on replacing both the J1772 plug and socket, as a bad plug will damage a bad socket, and vice versa. Failing J1772 ports on cars can damage previously good charger plugs at stations. Failing J1772 charger plugs at stations can damage previously good ports on cars. The contacts are likely pitted from arcing, which leads to high resistance, which leads to heating, and eventually melting. Sometimes the arcing can be heard, especially if it is severe, or you may smell ozone near a freshly disconnected connector. My advice is to periodically inspect the charge port and charge plugs, especially when using a new station. On Thu, Aug 19, 2021, 04:29 Jay Summet via EV wrote: > Do you have a 2011/2012? (They are weird with the charger behind the > back seat). > > If you have a 2013 or newer: > > The charge port low voltage lines attaches to the cars wiring harness > under the hood (for the pilot/proximity wires and the LED light (if you > have one) with a small plug. > > The L1/L2/N (larger high voltage power wires) connect to the top of the > "motor" stack (The charger/power distribution box/ Power Delivery > Module) with larger bolts. > > For a 2011/2012 I could see it being an 8-10 hour process. For a 2013 > I'd expect it to take a shop less than 2 hours if they knew what they > were doing, or 4 hours if they were following along with a service > manual and doing it for the first time. > > Specifically look at page VC-141 in the Vehicle Charging (vc.pdf) file > for instructions on removing the J1772 charge port. > > If you can find a wrecked Leaf in a Pull-a-part junkyard, it would be > MUCH cheaper (and well within the ability of a garage mechanic) to swap > it out yourself (on a 2013+...on a 2011/2012I'm sure the wire snakes > all over the car and it might be easier just to have the shop do it for > you > > Jay > > On 8/18/21 11:38 PM, Bob Bath via EV wrote: > > Hey all, > > Went out to find my J1772 EVSE melted to my charge port. > > Nothing on my Nissanleaf.com, nor YouTube about installing $600 > replacement harness and charge port. > > Given that Nissan wants 1200 shop time, I’m curious as to see if > that’s a legit 8-10 hour process. And given the possibility it might happen > 8 years from now, I’d like to do it myself next time. > > Ideas? > >> > >> UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > >> ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ > >> LIST INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > > > > ___ > > Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org > > No other addresses in TO and CC fields > > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > > ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ > > LIST INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > > > ___ > Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org > No other addresses in TO and CC fields > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ > LIST INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20210819/c6b99a6f/attachment.html> ___ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC fields UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ LIST INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org
Re: [EVDL] Melted LEAF charge port
2013. Sincerely, Bob Bath Note: any misspellings of the contents of this message are due to 56 y.o. vision, hyperactive spell check changing what I typed, or fat fingering— not cluelessness. > On Aug 19, 2021, at 4:12 AM, Bob Bath wrote: > > I thank you for the advice. It’s never been on a public charger. So it’s > only seen wear and tear of my 8- year Nissan Aerovironment charger. However, > it’s use has gone up since my wife’s Bolt, my brother’s Bolt and my sister’s > Tesla also charge on it. > > Sincerely, > Bob Bath > > Note: any misspellings of the contents of this message are due to 56 y.o. > vision, hyperactive spell check changing what I typed, or fat fingering— not > cluelessness. > > >> On Aug 19, 2021, at 2:29 AM, Jay Summet via EV wrote: >> >> Do you have a 2011/2012? (They are weird with the charger behind the back >> seat). >> >> If you have a 2013 or newer: >> >> The charge port low voltage lines attaches to the cars wiring harness under >> the hood (for the pilot/proximity wires and the LED light (if you have one) >> with a small plug. >> >> The L1/L2/N (larger high voltage power wires) connect to the top of the >> "motor" stack (The charger/power distribution box/ Power Delivery Module) >> with larger bolts. >> >> For a 2011/2012 I could see it being an 8-10 hour process. For a 2013 I'd >> expect it to take a shop less than 2 hours if they knew what they were >> doing, or 4 hours if they were following along with a service manual and >> doing it for the first time. >> >> Specifically look at page VC-141 in the Vehicle Charging (vc.pdf) file for >> instructions on removing the J1772 charge port. >> >> If you can find a wrecked Leaf in a Pull-a-part junkyard, it would be MUCH >> cheaper (and well within the ability of a garage mechanic) to swap it out >> yourself (on a 2013+...on a 2011/2012I'm sure the wire snakes all over >> the car and it might be easier just to have the shop do it for you >> >> Jay >> On 8/18/21 11:38 PM, Bob Bath via EV wrote: >>> Hey all, >>> Went out to find my J1772 EVSE melted to my charge port. >>> Nothing on my Nissanleaf.com, nor YouTube about installing $600 replacement >>> harness and charge port. >>>Given that Nissan wants 1200 shop time, I’m curious as to see if that’s >>> a legit 8-10 hour process. And given the possibility it might happen 8 >>> years from now, I’d like to do it myself next time. >>> Ideas? UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ LIST INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >>> ___ >>> Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org >>> No other addresses in TO and CC fields >>> UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >>> ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ >>> LIST INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >> ___ >> Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org >> No other addresses in TO and CC fields >> UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >> ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ >> LIST INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org ___ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC fields UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ LIST INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org
Re: [EVDL] Melted LEAF charge port
I thank you for the advice. It’s never been on a public charger. So it’s only seen wear and tear of my 8- year Nissan Aerovironment charger. However, it’s use has gone up since my wife’s Bolt, my brother’s Bolt and my sister’s Tesla also charge on it. Sincerely, Bob Bath Note: any misspellings of the contents of this message are due to 56 y.o. vision, hyperactive spell check changing what I typed, or fat fingering— not cluelessness. > On Aug 19, 2021, at 2:29 AM, Jay Summet via EV wrote: > > Do you have a 2011/2012? (They are weird with the charger behind the back > seat). > > If you have a 2013 or newer: > > The charge port low voltage lines attaches to the cars wiring harness under > the hood (for the pilot/proximity wires and the LED light (if you have one) > with a small plug. > > The L1/L2/N (larger high voltage power wires) connect to the top of the > "motor" stack (The charger/power distribution box/ Power Delivery Module) > with larger bolts. > > For a 2011/2012 I could see it being an 8-10 hour process. For a 2013 I'd > expect it to take a shop less than 2 hours if they knew what they were doing, > or 4 hours if they were following along with a service manual and doing it > for the first time. > > Specifically look at page VC-141 in the Vehicle Charging (vc.pdf) file for > instructions on removing the J1772 charge port. > > If you can find a wrecked Leaf in a Pull-a-part junkyard, it would be MUCH > cheaper (and well within the ability of a garage mechanic) to swap it out > yourself (on a 2013+...on a 2011/2012I'm sure the wire snakes all over > the car and it might be easier just to have the shop do it for you > > Jay > >> On 8/18/21 11:38 PM, Bob Bath via EV wrote: >> Hey all, >>Went out to find my J1772 EVSE melted to my charge port. >> Nothing on my Nissanleaf.com, nor YouTube about installing $600 replacement >> harness and charge port. >> Given that Nissan wants 1200 shop time, I’m curious as to see if that’s >> a legit 8-10 hour process. And given the possibility it might happen 8 years >> from now, I’d like to do it myself next time. >> Ideas? >>> >>> UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >>> ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ >>> LIST INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >> ___ >> Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org >> No other addresses in TO and CC fields >> UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >> ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ >> LIST INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > ___ > Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org > No other addresses in TO and CC fields > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ > LIST INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org ___ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC fields UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ LIST INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org
Re: [EVDL] Melted LEAF charge port
Do you have a 2011/2012? (They are weird with the charger behind the back seat). If you have a 2013 or newer: The charge port low voltage lines attaches to the cars wiring harness under the hood (for the pilot/proximity wires and the LED light (if you have one) with a small plug. The L1/L2/N (larger high voltage power wires) connect to the top of the "motor" stack (The charger/power distribution box/ Power Delivery Module) with larger bolts. For a 2011/2012 I could see it being an 8-10 hour process. For a 2013 I'd expect it to take a shop less than 2 hours if they knew what they were doing, or 4 hours if they were following along with a service manual and doing it for the first time. Specifically look at page VC-141 in the Vehicle Charging (vc.pdf) file for instructions on removing the J1772 charge port. If you can find a wrecked Leaf in a Pull-a-part junkyard, it would be MUCH cheaper (and well within the ability of a garage mechanic) to swap it out yourself (on a 2013+...on a 2011/2012I'm sure the wire snakes all over the car and it might be easier just to have the shop do it for you Jay On 8/18/21 11:38 PM, Bob Bath via EV wrote: Hey all, Went out to find my J1772 EVSE melted to my charge port. Nothing on my Nissanleaf.com, nor YouTube about installing $600 replacement harness and charge port. Given that Nissan wants 1200 shop time, I’m curious as to see if that’s a legit 8-10 hour process. And given the possibility it might happen 8 years from now, I’d like to do it myself next time. Ideas? UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ LIST INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org ___ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC fields UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ LIST INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org ___ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC fields UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ LIST INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org
