[EVDL] Cutting urethane car adhesive (was: Leaf 12 upgrade to 60kw)
They typically use a specialized knife to cut this urethane adhesive on windshields and other autobody panels. (The blade used to be heated electrically, but these are falling out of fashion. The old style adhesive was not urethane, but rather more like tar. You had to melt it as much as cut it.) These knives generally are small and have a hook shape. The have a cable, with a pull handle, attached at the root of the blade. You use one hand to guide and steer the blade through the adhesive, and the other hand to apply major force to the blade. Quite effective. https://www.ebay.com/itm/372653587648 Be sure to buy extra blades as they are damaged and/or wear out routinely. They also use a thin sharp blade on a vibratory tool, or a small thin hook blade with a special cable handle for the tool itself, to cut the adhesive. Pretty much a "power" version of the manual tool above. A visit to your local windshield replacement shop might be a useful to see how the professionals make short work of cutting these automotive urethane seals. Bill D. On 4/12/2022 1:36 PM, (-Phil-) via EV wrote: You need a really thin blade, you just want to cut the adhesive, not the metal. I used one of these: https://amzn.to/3E1I6Wm With a blade like this: https://amzn.to/373V75P The tool oscillates really fast and slices through the adhesive like butter. You just run it down the side. On Mon, Apr 11, 2022 at 6:17 PM Jay Summet via EV wrote: I used pry-bars and screwdrivers & putty knifes on a 2013 leaf battery that was glued together. Now that I know what is inside (and how to not hit it), I'd use an air chisel. Jay On 4/11/22 21:01, (-Phil-) via EV wrote: FYI: I have opened the 60kWh LEAF packs, it can be done with a vibrating multitool blade. Much easier than a Tesla pack! ___ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC fields UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ LIST INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org
Re: [EVDL] Leaf 12 upgrade to 60kw
I think they use the same glue that is used to attach the windshield to the frame of the car, some sort of Urethane, like DOW-U-428 or similar. At least that it what it looked like and how difficult it was to cut. Only by putting a *lot* of tension on it (read: a pry bar in the cut to force the enclosure apart) and a sharp break-off knife cutting the glue right next to the pry bar, was I able to *cut* the 2013+ packs open. This often distorts the top lid, so not recommended when you'd need to re-close it. But almost always I was just harvesting the modules, to be put into a 2011/12 pack that is entirely *bolted* closed. Nissan wanted to have some protection against opening with standard tools, so the service disconnect is (on those packs) bolted to the top lid with security Torx. So yeah, it is not trivial to inspect the inside of a 2013+ pack. Not sure how a dealer services such a battery, probably a whole day's of work for just replacing one of more modules in a pack, so I can see that they really want to avoid working on a pack. I don't know if the official Nissan safety precautions still double the man-hour costs by including a second person standing with a rope in hand, tied from a distance to the mechanic working on the pack, ready to yank his twitching body away from the danger after touching the wrong bits. (and yes, that is said as mocking humor - I am EE and I always work on the Leaf packs with steel tools and bare hands, the only reason I never received a shock is because I am aware of what I am doing at all times or I would not be working on them *and* I tend to verify isolation using my multimeter. I absolutely recommend against this practice for everyone not fully aware of the dangers of HV, but this is what I am comfortable with. Don't do this at home. Stunts performed by unprofessional actors or something to that effect.) Cor. On Mon, Apr 11, 2022 at 6:07 PM (-Phil-) via EV wrote: > > FYI: I have opened the 60kWh LEAF packs, it can be done with a vibrating > multitool blade. Much easier than a Tesla pack! > > > (Picture link: http://ingineerix.com/pic/?leaf60kwh ) > > > On Mon, Apr 11, 2022 at 5:49 PM EV List Lackey via EV > wrote: > > > On 11 Apr 2022 at 17:17, Cor van de Water via EV wrote: > > > > > since the [Leaf battery] enclosure can't be opened (glued shut) ... > > > > Does that mean that the newer Leaf batteries can't be field-serviced, but > > must be exchanged for complete new or rebuilt batteries? > > > > David Roden, EVDL moderator & general lackey > > > > To reach me, don't reply to this message; I won't get it. Use my > > offlist address here : http://evdl.org/help/index.html#supt > > > > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > > The phrase "May you live in interesting times" is the lowest in > > a trilogy of Chinese curses that continues "May you come to the > > attention of those in authority," and finishes with "May the > > gods give you everything you ask for." I have no idea about > > its authenticity. > > > > -- Terry Pratchett > > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > > > > ___ > > Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org > > No other addresses in TO and CC fields > > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > > ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ > > LIST INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > > > -- next part -- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20220411/5aecb830/attachment.html> > ___ > Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org > No other addresses in TO and CC fields > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ > LIST INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org ___ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC fields UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ LIST INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org
Re: [EVDL] Leaf 12 upgrade to 60kw
Since I know how far the bottom enclosure extends up inside the lip of the top lid, I tend to get the fastest (and loudest) results in opening a glued pack using an angle grinder. I once did this while the battery was sitting in the bed of my electric truck (1994 US Electricar, factory converted Chevy S10) and the hot steel sparks are now permanently embedded into the back cab window, apparently glass melts from sprayed yellow-hot steel sparks... Just FYI. Cor. On Mon, Apr 11, 2022 at 6:17 PM Jay Summet via EV wrote: > > I used pry-bars and screwdrivers & putty knifes on a 2013 leaf battery > that was glued together. Now that I know what is inside (and how to not > hit it), I'd use an air chisel. > > Jay > > On 4/11/22 21:01, (-Phil-) via EV wrote: > > FYI: I have opened the 60kWh LEAF packs, it can be done with a vibrating > > multitool blade. Much easier than a Tesla pack! > > > > > > (Picture link: http://ingineerix.com/pic/?leaf60kwh ) > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 11, 2022 at 5:49 PM EV List Lackey via EV > > wrote: > > > >> On 11 Apr 2022 at 17:17, Cor van de Water via EV wrote: > >> > >>> since the [Leaf battery] enclosure can't be opened (glued shut) ... > >> > >> Does that mean that the newer Leaf batteries can't be field-serviced, but > >> must be exchanged for complete new or rebuilt batteries? > >> > >> David Roden, EVDL moderator & general lackey > >> > >> To reach me, don't reply to this message; I won't get it. Use my > >> offlist address here : http://evdl.org/help/index.html#supt > >> > >> = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > >> The phrase "May you live in interesting times" is the lowest in > >> a trilogy of Chinese curses that continues "May you come to the > >> attention of those in authority," and finishes with "May the > >> gods give you everything you ask for." I have no idea about > >> its authenticity. > >> > >> -- Terry Pratchett > >> = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > >> > >> ___ > >> Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org > >> No other addresses in TO and CC fields > >> UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > >> ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ > >> LIST INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > >> > > -- next part -- > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > URL: > > <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20220411/5aecb830/attachment.html> > > ___ > > Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org > > No other addresses in TO and CC fields > > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > > ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ > > LIST INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > > > ___ > Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org > No other addresses in TO and CC fields > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ > LIST INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org ___ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC fields UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ LIST INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org
Re: [EVDL] Leaf 12 upgrade to 60kw
You need a really thin blade, you just want to cut the adhesive, not the metal. I used one of these: https://amzn.to/3E1I6Wm With a blade like this: https://amzn.to/373V75P The tool oscillates really fast and slices through the adhesive like butter. You just run it down the side. On Mon, Apr 11, 2022 at 6:17 PM Jay Summet via EV wrote: > I used pry-bars and screwdrivers & putty knifes on a 2013 leaf battery > that was glued together. Now that I know what is inside (and how to not > hit it), I'd use an air chisel. > > Jay > > On 4/11/22 21:01, (-Phil-) via EV wrote: > > FYI: I have opened the 60kWh LEAF packs, it can be done with a vibrating > > multitool blade. Much easier than a Tesla pack! > > > > > > (Picture link: http://ingineerix.com/pic/?leaf60kwh ) > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 11, 2022 at 5:49 PM EV List Lackey via EV > > > wrote: > > > >> On 11 Apr 2022 at 17:17, Cor van de Water via EV wrote: > >> > >>> since the [Leaf battery] enclosure can't be opened (glued shut) ... > >> > >> Does that mean that the newer Leaf batteries can't be field-serviced, > but > >> must be exchanged for complete new or rebuilt batteries? > >> > >> David Roden, EVDL moderator & general lackey > >> > >> To reach me, don't reply to this message; I won't get it. Use my > >> offlist address here : http://evdl.org/help/index.html#supt > >> > >> = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > >> The phrase "May you live in interesting times" is the lowest in > >> a trilogy of Chinese curses that continues "May you come to the > >> attention of those in authority," and finishes with "May the > >> gods give you everything you ask for." I have no idea about > >> its authenticity. > >> > >> -- Terry Pratchett > >> = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > >> > >> ___ > >> Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org > >> No other addresses in TO and CC fields > >> UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > >> ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ > >> LIST INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > >> > > -- next part -- > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > URL: < > http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20220411/5aecb830/attachment.html > > > > ___ > > Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org > > No other addresses in TO and CC fields > > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > > ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ > > LIST INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > > > ___ > Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org > No other addresses in TO and CC fields > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ > LIST INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20220411/5505bc4a/attachment.html> ___ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC fields UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ LIST INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org
Re: [EVDL] Leaf 12 upgrade to 60kw
I used pry-bars and screwdrivers & putty knifes on a 2013 leaf battery that was glued together. Now that I know what is inside (and how to not hit it), I'd use an air chisel. Jay On 4/11/22 21:01, (-Phil-) via EV wrote: FYI: I have opened the 60kWh LEAF packs, it can be done with a vibrating multitool blade. Much easier than a Tesla pack! (Picture link: http://ingineerix.com/pic/?leaf60kwh ) On Mon, Apr 11, 2022 at 5:49 PM EV List Lackey via EV wrote: On 11 Apr 2022 at 17:17, Cor van de Water via EV wrote: since the [Leaf battery] enclosure can't be opened (glued shut) ... Does that mean that the newer Leaf batteries can't be field-serviced, but must be exchanged for complete new or rebuilt batteries? David Roden, EVDL moderator & general lackey To reach me, don't reply to this message; I won't get it. Use my offlist address here : http://evdl.org/help/index.html#supt = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = The phrase "May you live in interesting times" is the lowest in a trilogy of Chinese curses that continues "May you come to the attention of those in authority," and finishes with "May the gods give you everything you ask for." I have no idea about its authenticity. -- Terry Pratchett = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = ___ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC fields UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ LIST INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20220411/5aecb830/attachment.html> ___ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC fields UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ LIST INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org ___ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC fields UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ LIST INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org
Re: [EVDL] Leaf 12 upgrade to 60kw
FYI: I have opened the 60kWh LEAF packs, it can be done with a vibrating multitool blade. Much easier than a Tesla pack! (Picture link: http://ingineerix.com/pic/?leaf60kwh ) On Mon, Apr 11, 2022 at 5:49 PM EV List Lackey via EV wrote: > On 11 Apr 2022 at 17:17, Cor van de Water via EV wrote: > > > since the [Leaf battery] enclosure can't be opened (glued shut) ... > > Does that mean that the newer Leaf batteries can't be field-serviced, but > must be exchanged for complete new or rebuilt batteries? > > David Roden, EVDL moderator & general lackey > > To reach me, don't reply to this message; I won't get it. Use my > offlist address here : http://evdl.org/help/index.html#supt > > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > The phrase "May you live in interesting times" is the lowest in > a trilogy of Chinese curses that continues "May you come to the > attention of those in authority," and finishes with "May the > gods give you everything you ask for." I have no idea about > its authenticity. > > -- Terry Pratchett > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > > ___ > Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org > No other addresses in TO and CC fields > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ > LIST INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20220411/5aecb830/attachment.html> ___ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC fields UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ LIST INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org
Re: [EVDL] Leaf 12 upgrade to 60kw
On 11 Apr 2022 at 17:17, Cor van de Water via EV wrote: > since the [Leaf battery] enclosure can't be opened (glued shut) ... Does that mean that the newer Leaf batteries can't be field-serviced, but must be exchanged for complete new or rebuilt batteries? David Roden, EVDL moderator & general lackey To reach me, don't reply to this message; I won't get it. Use my offlist address here : http://evdl.org/help/index.html#supt = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = The phrase "May you live in interesting times" is the lowest in a trilogy of Chinese curses that continues "May you come to the attention of those in authority," and finishes with "May the gods give you everything you ask for." I have no idea about its authenticity. -- Terry Pratchett = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = ___ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC fields UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ LIST INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org
Re: [EVDL] Leaf 12 upgrade to 60kw
>> 40mm taller. > > > >> I did not put back the 2 belly pan plastic sheets under the battery > > > >> box, they no longer fit. > > > >> I *did* put back the front pan, between front axle and front lip of > > > >> the battery, which will also divert wind, sand and moisture away from > > > >> the battery. > > > >> Once you have the pack installed, you must charge fully to max to let > > > >> the CAN bridge and the car learn the new capacity. > > > >> I did not (yet) modify any suspension to carry the increased weight, > > > >> it just sits a lil lower. > > > >> Hope this helps! > > > >> Cor. > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Have a renewable energy day, > > > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > Mark E. Hanson > > > > 184 Vista Lane > > > > Fincastle, VA 24090 > > > > 540-473-1248 phone & FAX, 540-816-0812 cell > > > > REEVA: community service RE & EV project club > > > > Website: www.REEVAdiy.org (See Project Gallery) > > > > UL Certified PV Installer > > > > My RE&EV Circuits: www.EVDL.org/lib/mh > > > > REEVA Demo: <http://youtu.be/4kqWn2H-rA0> http://youtu.be/4kqWn2H-rA0 > > > > > > <https://www.weatherlink.com/embeddablePage/show/a88920376f864ecabaed843dd89 > > 75b8d/signature> Fincastle Solar Weather Station > > > > > > > > -- next part -- > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > URL: > > <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20220411/1a7fd013/attachment.html> > > ___ > > Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org > > No other addresses in TO and CC fields > > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > > ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ > > LIST INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > > ___ > Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org > No other addresses in TO and CC fields > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ > LIST INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org ___ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC fields UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ LIST INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org
Re: [EVDL] Leaf 12 upgrade to 60kw
I paid 12.5 k on the west coast. Nissan will not do it. Requires suspension upgrade. 62 kWh pack is heavier. Sincerely, Bob Bath 541.761.0838 Note: any misspellings of the contents of this message are due to 56 y.o. vision, hyperactive spell check changing what I typed, or fat fingering— not cluelessness. > On Apr 11, 2022, at 4:26 PM, mark hanson via EV wrote: > > Hi Cor etc. > > > > How much $$ does it cost for a 62KWH? I've got a 2013 Leaf, just 1 bar down > on the battery capacity meter though, about 70 miles instead of 90ish when > it was a spring chicken. I'm in the Roanoke, VA area, would I have to go to > the stealership? Would Nissan even do it? Probably would just want to sell > a new Leaf. > > > > Best Regards, > > Mark > > > > From: Cor van de Water > > To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List > > Subject: Re: [EVDL] leaf 12 upgrade to 60kw > > Message-ID: > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > > > Oh and to answer the charging question: the car indicates that it will take > indeed something like 20 hours to fully charge from empty. > > That is why I did get a Leaf with DC Fast Charge. > > Cor. > > > >> On Mon, Apr 11, 2022 at 2:32 AM Cor van de Water >> wrote: >> >> > >> I did the upgrade of a 2012 Leaf with 62kWh pack a few weeks ago. > >> You need a CAN bridge and a couple longer bolts due to the pack being > >> 40mm taller. > >> I did not put back the 2 belly pan plastic sheets under the battery > >> box, they no longer fit. > >> I *did* put back the front pan, between front axle and front lip of > >> the battery, which will also divert wind, sand and moisture away from > >> the battery. > >> Once you have the pack installed, you must charge fully to max to let > >> the CAN bridge and the car learn the new capacity. > >> I did not (yet) modify any suspension to carry the increased weight, > >> it just sits a lil lower. > >> Hope this helps! > >> Cor. > >> > > > > > > Have a renewable energy day, > > > > Mark > > > > Mark E. Hanson > > 184 Vista Lane > > Fincastle, VA 24090 > > 540-473-1248 phone & FAX, 540-816-0812 cell > > REEVA: community service RE & EV project club > > Website: www.REEVAdiy.org (See Project Gallery) > > UL Certified PV Installer > > My RE&EV Circuits: www.EVDL.org/lib/mh > > REEVA Demo: <http://youtu.be/4kqWn2H-rA0> http://youtu.be/4kqWn2H-rA0 > > > <https://www.weatherlink.com/embeddablePage/show/a88920376f864ecabaed843dd89 > 75b8d/signature> Fincastle Solar Weather Station > > > > -- next part -- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20220411/1a7fd013/attachment.html> > ___ > Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org > No other addresses in TO and CC fields > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ > LIST INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org ___ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC fields UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ LIST INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org
[EVDL] Leaf 12 upgrade to 60kw
Hi Cor etc. How much $$ does it cost for a 62KWH? I've got a 2013 Leaf, just 1 bar down on the battery capacity meter though, about 70 miles instead of 90ish when it was a spring chicken. I'm in the Roanoke, VA area, would I have to go to the stealership? Would Nissan even do it? Probably would just want to sell a new Leaf. Best Regards, Mark From: Cor van de Water To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List Subject: Re: [EVDL] leaf 12 upgrade to 60kw Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Oh and to answer the charging question: the car indicates that it will take indeed something like 20 hours to fully charge from empty. That is why I did get a Leaf with DC Fast Charge. Cor. On Mon, Apr 11, 2022 at 2:32 AM Cor van de Water wrote: > > I did the upgrade of a 2012 Leaf with 62kWh pack a few weeks ago. > You need a CAN bridge and a couple longer bolts due to the pack being > 40mm taller. > I did not put back the 2 belly pan plastic sheets under the battery > box, they no longer fit. > I *did* put back the front pan, between front axle and front lip of > the battery, which will also divert wind, sand and moisture away from > the battery. > Once you have the pack installed, you must charge fully to max to let > the CAN bridge and the car learn the new capacity. > I did not (yet) modify any suspension to carry the increased weight, > it just sits a lil lower. > Hope this helps! > Cor. > Have a renewable energy day, Mark Mark E. Hanson 184 Vista Lane Fincastle, VA 24090 540-473-1248 phone & FAX, 540-816-0812 cell REEVA: community service RE & EV project club Website: www.REEVAdiy.org (See Project Gallery) UL Certified PV Installer My RE&EV Circuits: www.EVDL.org/lib/mh REEVA Demo: <http://youtu.be/4kqWn2H-rA0> http://youtu.be/4kqWn2H-rA0 <https://www.weatherlink.com/embeddablePage/show/a88920376f864ecabaed843dd89 75b8d/signature> Fincastle Solar Weather Station -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20220411/1a7fd013/attachment.html> ___ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC fields UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ LIST INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org
Re: [EVDL] leaf 12 upgrade to 60kw
Oh and to answer the charging question: the car indicates that it will take indeed something like 20 hours to fully charge from empty. That is why I did get a Leaf with DC Fast Charge. Cor. On Mon, Apr 11, 2022 at 2:32 AM Cor van de Water wrote: > > I did the upgrade of a 2012 Leaf with 62kWh pack a few weeks ago. > You need a CAN bridge and a couple longer bolts due to the pack being > 40mm taller. > I did not put back the 2 belly pan plastic sheets under the battery > box, they no longer fit. > I *did* put back the front pan, between front axle and front lip of > the battery, which will also divert wind, sand and moisture away from > the battery. > Once you have the pack installed, you must charge fully to max to let > the CAN bridge and the car learn the new capacity. > I did not (yet) modify any suspension to carry the increased weight, > it just sits a lil lower. > Hope this helps! > Cor. > > > On Sun, Apr 10, 2022 at 5:27 PM Jay Summet via EV wrote: > > > > Sounds like your Leaf has a 6.6 kw charger (27.5 amps at 240 volts, or > > 30amps at 220v) as opposed to the slower 3.3 kW charger. > > > > 62kwh / 6.6kh = 9.3 hours (If you are able to charge at the full rate > > the whole time, typically it starts to taper off around 85-90% charged.) > > > > [Of course, the entire 62 kWh is not completely available to the > > user...they keep buffers at both the top and bottom.] > > > > Jay > > > > > > > > On 4/10/22 12:50, Bob Bath via EV wrote: > > > I charge a 2013 LEAF 62 kWh upgrade with a J1772. Depleted, it’s about 5 > > > hrs. (32A, 220V), FWIW. > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > Bob Bath > > > 541.761.0838 > > > > > ___ > > Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org > > No other addresses in TO and CC fields > > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > > ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ > > LIST INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org ___ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC fields UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ LIST INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org
Re: [EVDL] leaf 12 upgrade to 60kw
I did the upgrade of a 2012 Leaf with 62kWh pack a few weeks ago. You need a CAN bridge and a couple longer bolts due to the pack being 40mm taller. I did not put back the 2 belly pan plastic sheets under the battery box, they no longer fit. I *did* put back the front pan, between front axle and front lip of the battery, which will also divert wind, sand and moisture away from the battery. Once you have the pack installed, you must charge fully to max to let the CAN bridge and the car learn the new capacity. I did not (yet) modify any suspension to carry the increased weight, it just sits a lil lower. Hope this helps! Cor. On Sun, Apr 10, 2022 at 5:27 PM Jay Summet via EV wrote: > > Sounds like your Leaf has a 6.6 kw charger (27.5 amps at 240 volts, or > 30amps at 220v) as opposed to the slower 3.3 kW charger. > > 62kwh / 6.6kh = 9.3 hours (If you are able to charge at the full rate > the whole time, typically it starts to taper off around 85-90% charged.) > > [Of course, the entire 62 kWh is not completely available to the > user...they keep buffers at both the top and bottom.] > > Jay > > > > On 4/10/22 12:50, Bob Bath via EV wrote: > > I charge a 2013 LEAF 62 kWh upgrade with a J1772. Depleted, it’s about 5 > > hrs. (32A, 220V), FWIW. > > > > Sincerely, > > Bob Bath > > 541.761.0838 > > > ___ > Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org > No other addresses in TO and CC fields > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ > LIST INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org ___ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC fields UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ LIST INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org
