Re: [EVDL] Tesla mobile charge controller 32A, now 16A

[Phil Hochstetler via EV]

I would try removing the wall side plug. It is possible over time for it to
become partially unseated. Reseat it may fix the problem.

Phil H.

On Thu, Jul 20, 2023, 2:12 PM Mark Hanson via EV  wrote:

> Hi folks
> Does anyone know how to take apart a Tesla mobile charge controller?
> After 65K miles charging it dropped to 16A, initially only when the sun
> shined on it (heated internal thermistor), but now it’s all the time. It
> may be fuzzy relay contacts.  I’ve seen small charge controllers like open
> EVSE.com have similar issues, clean contacts, then ok.  Great god Google
> shows a guy breaking the glue seal destroying it to get apart - which will
> leave me with a 0 amp charge controller :-)
> Best regards
> Mark
>
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Re: [EVDL] Selling my 94 Geo Metro Conversion

[Sam Shepherd via EV]

Would you give me the $500 or not ?

On Fri, 21 Jul 2023 at 03:55, Bill Dennis via EV  wrote:

> Thanks for the info.  I do have insurance on the car now, but as a "classic
> car" that's meant to be driven only around 500 miles per year.
>
> Bill
>
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> Bill,
>
> Geico is my insurance provider. Are you having trouble insuring your EV?
>
> -Nathan
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Re: [EVDL] Selling my 94 Geo Metro Conversion

[Bill Dennis via EV]

Thanks for the info.  I do have insurance on the car now, but as a "classic
car" that's meant to be driven only around 500 miles per year.

Bill

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Bill,

Geico is my insurance provider. Are you having trouble insuring your EV?

-Nathan
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Re: [EVDL] Important Aptera news.

[Ryan Fulcher via EV]

Found it via the Aptear Discord channel:
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/embedded-video/mmvo188945989602?fbclid=IwAR0wC3r5W02Wliet3vuYwAX_XrP46XL75hC3MAbxXsT--m7qBkCRvo1uE84

It appears that this vehicle was a gamma build (prototype) from 18 months
ago:

Commentary from the discord channel:  "As you are aware, Gamma was a
snapshot in time from 18 months ago. While Gamma is not a production
vehicle, it is a monumental step in that direction. We are applying all of
the knowledge learned from the Gamma phase of development into our upcoming
Delta builds, which the team is excited to test and validate thanks to your
support. In the meantime, Gamma is receiving select upgrades to show off
more production capabilities. We are excited to show off those upgrades in
the coming weeks."

I do personally find it a little disconcerting that the response "you must
be the first to drive it up a hill" was given, it's not very confidence
instilling.  I sure hope they come back in the next week or so with a
better explanation like "We are aware of the problem with the Gamma
prototypes and have addressed it in later revisions" including some
engineering details about thermal limits and expectations.
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Re: [EVDL] Selling my 94 Geo Metro Conversion

[nathan christiansn via EV]

Bill,

Geico is my insurance provider. Are you having trouble insuring your EV?

-Nathan
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Re: [EVDL] Important Aptera news.

[Sam Shepherd via EV]

I need a 500 bucks would you please borrow will pay you pay you back this
month?

On Fri, 21 Jul 2023 at 01:34, jerry freedomev via EV 
wrote:

>  Hi All,Just watching NBC Evening News tonight had the Aptera with
> it's CEO? on and they went for a test ride.   The problem was it couldn't
> get up a hill I assume was a longer one, the motors overheated and had to
> pull over  to let them cool down.  That is not good.  Though maybe the
> heavy aero wheel skirts are not helping either if they don't provide
> airflow.This is a problem with hub motors as at such low RPM they have
> to use massive amps which of course makes massive heat but I'd thought they
> had worked that out. As I said my last post they need to go back to a
> geared rear motor and get rid of the hub motors like they had when they
> first designed it about 20 yrs ago.   Even then they had problems with
> motor overheating so they gave me a call since I was doing the FreedomEV at
> the time, a similar EV but more conventional looking.   Turned out they had
> geared it too low and increasing the gearing from 4-1 to 7-1, solved it.If
> I was them, I'd be making a backup plan of either front or rear geared
> drives.  Jerry Dycus
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Re: [EVDL] Important Aptera news.

[jerry freedomev via EV]

 Hi Ryan and All,     It'll be online at the NBC website or on the west coast, 
in a few minutes at about 6:12 local time.  It was just a few minutes after it 
was shown that I posted and a lot of time it takes them a couple hours to get 
them online.It was a good vid right talking up the autocycle and solar, until 
the motors overheated at the end.  Hard to post links here as restricted.Jerry 
Dycus
On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 05:54:52 PM PDT, Ryan Fulcher via EV 
 wrote:  
 
 I would love to see that clip... But i have been unable to locate any such
video.  If you find a link to it online, or know which NBC station ran it,
that would be great.

On Thu, Jul 20, 2023 at 5:34 PM jerry freedomev via EV 
wrote:

>      Hi All,    Just watching NBC Evening News tonight had the Aptera with
> it's CEO? on and they went for a test ride.  The problem was it couldn't
> get up a hill I assume was a longer one, the motors overheated and had to
> pull over  to let them cool down.  That is not good.  Though maybe the
> heavy aero wheel skirts are not helping either if they don't provide
> airflow.    This is a problem with hub motors as at such low RPM they have
> to use massive amps which of course makes massive heat but I'd thought they
> had worked that out.    As I said my last post they need to go back to a
> geared rear motor and get rid of the hub motors like they had when they
> first designed it about 20 yrs ago.  Even then they had problems with
> motor overheating so they gave me a call since I was doing the FreedomEV at
> the time, a similar EV but more conventional looking.  Turned out they had
> geared it too low and increasing the gearing from 4-1 to 7-1, solved it.If
> I was them, I'd be making a backup plan of either front or rear geared
> drives.                      Jerry Dycus
>
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Re: [EVDL] Important Aptera news.

[Alan Arrison via EV]

It's national news. Looks like they don't put it up for viewing until 
24hrs after broadcast.



On 7/20/2023 8:53 PM, Ryan Fulcher via EV wrote:

I would love to see that clip... But i have been unable to locate any such
video.  If you find a link to it online, or know which NBC station ran it,
that would be great.

On Thu, Jul 20, 2023 at 5:34 PM jerry freedomev via EV 
wrote:


  Hi All,Just watching NBC Evening News tonight had the Aptera with
it's CEO? on and they went for a test ride.   The problem was it couldn't
get up a hill I assume was a longer one, the motors overheated and had to
pull over  to let them cool down.  That is not good.  Though maybe the
heavy aero wheel skirts are not helping either if they don't provide
airflow.This is a problem with hub motors as at such low RPM they have
to use massive amps which of course makes massive heat but I'd thought they
had worked that out. As I said my last post they need to go back to a
geared rear motor and get rid of the hub motors like they had when they
first designed it about 20 yrs ago.   Even then they had problems with
motor overheating so they gave me a call since I was doing the FreedomEV at
the time, a similar EV but more conventional looking.   Turned out they had
geared it too low and increasing the gearing from 4-1 to 7-1, solved it.If
I was them, I'd be making a backup plan of either front or rear geared
drives.  Jerry Dycus


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Re: [EVDL] Important Aptera news.

[Ryan Fulcher via EV]

I would love to see that clip... But i have been unable to locate any such
video.  If you find a link to it online, or know which NBC station ran it,
that would be great.

On Thu, Jul 20, 2023 at 5:34 PM jerry freedomev via EV 
wrote:

>  Hi All,Just watching NBC Evening News tonight had the Aptera with
> it's CEO? on and they went for a test ride.   The problem was it couldn't
> get up a hill I assume was a longer one, the motors overheated and had to
> pull over  to let them cool down.  That is not good.  Though maybe the
> heavy aero wheel skirts are not helping either if they don't provide
> airflow.This is a problem with hub motors as at such low RPM they have
> to use massive amps which of course makes massive heat but I'd thought they
> had worked that out. As I said my last post they need to go back to a
> geared rear motor and get rid of the hub motors like they had when they
> first designed it about 20 yrs ago.   Even then they had problems with
> motor overheating so they gave me a call since I was doing the FreedomEV at
> the time, a similar EV but more conventional looking.   Turned out they had
> geared it too low and increasing the gearing from 4-1 to 7-1, solved it.If
> I was them, I'd be making a backup plan of either front or rear geared
> drives.  Jerry Dycus
>
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Re: [EVDL] Important Aptera news.

[jerry freedomev via EV]

     Hi All,    Just watching NBC Evening News tonight had the Aptera with it's 
CEO? on and they went for a test ride.   The problem was it couldn't get up a 
hill I assume was a longer one, the motors overheated and had to pull over  to 
let them cool down.  That is not good.  Though maybe the heavy aero wheel 
skirts are not helping either if they don't provide airflow.    This is a 
problem with hub motors as at such low RPM they have to use massive amps which 
of course makes massive heat but I'd thought they had worked that out.     As I 
said my last post they need to go back to a geared rear motor and get rid of 
the hub motors like they had when they first designed it about 20 yrs ago.   
Even then they had problems with motor overheating so they gave me a call since 
I was doing the FreedomEV at the time, a similar EV but more conventional 
looking.   Turned out they had geared it too low and increasing the gearing 
from 4-1 to 7-1, solved it.If I was them, I'd be making a backup plan of either 
front or rear geared drives.                      Jerry Dycus   

  
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Re: [EVDL] Tesla mobile charge controller 32A, now 16A

[Marco Gaxiola via EV]

Maybe it's one of the temperature sensors on the plug side or the AC inlet
side, either the sensor itself or the wiring/terminals gone bad or dirty
that interconnects to the EVSE?
https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/wheres-the-temperature-sensor.212002/

Pages 11 & 12: You must be having either from 1, 2 or 4 red flashes while
still charging on your mobile charger LED indicators, according to this NA
manual if this is the case.
https://www.tesla.com/sites/default/files/pdfs/charging_docs/gen_2_umc/Gen2_UMC_Manual_en_US.pdf


On Thu, Jul 20, 2023 at 2:12 PM Mark Hanson via EV 
wrote:

> Hi folks
> Does anyone know how to take apart a Tesla mobile charge controller?
> After 65K miles charging it dropped to 16A, initially only when the sun
> shined on it (heated internal thermistor), but now it’s all the time. It
> may be fuzzy relay contacts.  I’ve seen small charge controllers like open
> EVSE.com have similar issues, clean contacts, then ok.  Great god Google
> shows a guy breaking the glue seal destroying it to get apart - which will
> leave me with a 0 amp charge controller :-)
> Best regards
> Mark
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [EVDL] EVnetics Soliton 1 controller

[Rod Hower via EV]

 I'm interested, what is the input voltage range?
On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 05:47:58 PM EDT, Cor van de Water via EV 
 wrote:  
 
 Anybody interested in a used Soliton 1, which is a 1000 Amp DC motor
controller?
Pics on request, make me an offer.
Located in Silicon Valley.
Cor.
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[EVDL] EVnetics Soliton 1 controller

[Cor van de Water via EV]

Anybody interested in a used Soliton 1, which is a 1000 Amp DC motor
controller?
Pics on request, make me an offer.
Located in Silicon Valley.
Cor.
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[EVDL] Tesla mobile charge controller 32A, now 16A

[Mark Hanson via EV]

Hi folks
Does anyone know how to take apart a Tesla mobile charge controller?  After 65K 
miles charging it dropped to 16A, initially only when the sun shined on it 
(heated internal thermistor), but now it’s all the time. It may be fuzzy relay 
contacts.  I’ve seen small charge controllers like open EVSE.com have similar 
issues, clean contacts, then ok.  Great god Google shows a guy breaking the 
glue seal destroying it to get apart - which will leave me with a 0 amp charge 
controller :-)
Best regards 
Mark

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Re: [EVDL] HV cable suppliers

[Lee Hart via EV]

Dave Lagzdin via EV wrote:

From time to time I need HV shielded cable typically 50 or 70mm 1/0 2/0.
Looking for more suppliers, ones that respool as I don't need that much
50-100 ft at a time.


I've made my own by buying shielding braid, and slipping it over the 
wire or cable as needed. For example 
www.wireandcableyourway.com/belden-8669-8-9-awg-hook-up-wire-braided-tinned-copper 
is 0.5" diameter. Various sizes are available from wire suppliers like 
Belden.


If it's big enough, you can strip scrap/surplus RF transmitting coax 
cable (RG-8, RG-11, RG-58, RG-59 etc.) and slide its braided shield over 
your own cables. You need the /U version with a braided copper shield; 
cheap TV coax only has a foil shield and won't work.


You can wrap thick wires or cable bundles with aluminum or copper foil. 
Companies like www.tapejungle.com/categories/foil-tape.html sell copper 
adhesive tape that is good for this purpose.


Finally, you can route your cables in metal conduit. I did this on my 
LeCar EV for the 2/0 cables that run under the car between the front and 
rear battery boxes. It provides both shielding and protection from road 
debris.


If you do a good enough job with your shielding, even the AM radio will 
work! :-)


Hope this helps,
Lee

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Re: [EVDL] HV cable suppliers

[Jay Summet via EV]

I've had good luck ordering welding cable by the foot from various ebay 
suppliers.  The last order I made was from:


https://www.ebay.com/str/acdcwireandsupply

Jay

On 7/20/23 12:59, Dave Lagzdin via EV wrote:

Perhaps this isn't the best place to ask buit if someone wishes to redirect
me that is good too

 From time to time I need HV shielded cable typically 50 or 70mm 1/0 2/0.
Looking for more suppliers, ones that respool as I don't need that much
50-100 ft at a time.
North America preferred but open to ideas
Can someone point me?
Dave
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Re: [EVDL] Selling my 94 Geo Metro Conversion

[Bill Dennis via EV]

Nathan, fellow Utahn here.  Can you tell me which insurance company you use
for your EV?

Thanks,

Bill

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via EV
Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2023 3:32 PM
To: ev@lists.evdl.org
Cc: nathan christiansn
Subject: [EVDL] Selling my 94 Geo Metro Conversion

Hello everyone,

Changing life circumstances have unfortunately necessitated me to sell my
beloved 1994 Geo Metro EV conversion. I will be moving to a location where
I will not have access to at-home charging in August and unfortunately the
range of this car makes it impractical to own without convenient access to
charging. I am not sure where to post my for-sale listing as the market for
these cars is somewhat limited - the form just seemed like a good place to
start. Hence, if anyone has any suggestions on how/where to sell my
conversion I would greatly appreciate it.

Specs are as follows:

- Traction Battery: 28 Nissan Leaf Gen 2 Battery Modules - pack has
degraded to about 7kwh at 80% state of charge. The modules are in a 14s2p
configuration (28s4p cell configuration; each module has 4 cells in a 2s2p
configuration) for a nominal pack voltage around 105 volts.
- HPEVS AC-35 with Curtis 1238-7501 controller. The car isn't super quick
on the accelerator but it is likely better than stock.
- BMS is a Thunderstruck/Dilithium Designs unit with one satelite unit -
the pack is split into two battery boxes - one under the hood and one in
the truck. There is a BMS in each battery box so you don't have the fire
hazard of balance wires running outside of battery boxes.
- Thunderstruck TSM2500 2.5KW charger - a unique feature about this charger
is that it allows you to set the charging current and voltage via
configuration software which is very useful if you decide to modify the
traction pack later on. Maximum output voltage is 130 volts. Charger is
wired to a standard J1772 charging port.
-Custom GUI that displays pack voltage, motor current, and estimates state
of charge. Also calculates driving efficiency and displays it in miles/kwh.
-I am estimating the range is about 40 miles with the battery at 100% state
of charge - my GUI says the range is 30-33 miles at 80% state of charge
during the summertime. I have gone on a 29 mile trip starting with a
battery at 80% and ending with it at about 5% so my display is pretty
accurate. Please note that this car does not have battery heaters so expect
the winter range to be about half of the summer range.
-Vehicle is located about 15 minutes away from Provo, Utah. It is licensed
and insured as an electric vehicle in the state of Utah so you won't have
to worry about taking it through that process.

Unfortunately, the list won't let me post pictures so the best I can do is
provide my EV album link: http://evalbum.com/5471

If interested, email me at nrc71...@gmail.com or give me a call/send me a
text at 385-224-0840. I can provide additional/more recent pictures and we
can start the conversation from there. The previous owner and I have put
$9k into it and I am asking $3000. The batteries alone are worth at least
$2k on ebay.

This is a fun car to drive and I am sad to see it go, but unfortunately
this will no longer be a practical car for me very soon.

-Nathan
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[EVDL] HV cable suppliers

[Dave Lagzdin via EV]

Perhaps this isn't the best place to ask buit if someone wishes to redirect
me that is good too

>From time to time I need HV shielded cable typically 50 or 70mm 1/0 2/0.
Looking for more suppliers, ones that respool as I don't need that much
50-100 ft at a time.
North America preferred but open to ideas
Can someone point me?
Dave
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