Re: [EVDL] EV charging is changing
My 2014 Volt only has 46 miles of range. I drive 21 miles to work and charge there at Chargepoint for 10 cents per kWhr. I have 240Vac at home and charge there as well. 98% of my travel is electric. I take some work trips that are less than 500 miles and then use gas. I guess it's more of a problem for people that live in an apartment without access to a 120Vac plug, but that also hasn't been a problem either unless you live in a huge complex without access. On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 05:42:51 PM EDT, paul dove via EV wrote: That's great except for traveling and apartment dwellers. I only use the supercharger when on the interstates. My non-Tesla EV I only use in the city and charge at home. On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 04:06:05 PM CDT, Lee Hart via EV wrote: EV@TucsonEV via EV wrote: > One of the reasons why parking meters went to CC systems is the fact that they > were continuously broken into and were more costly to maintain since they > needed > someone to empty them of the change. It's depressing to see how the future is developing. Like the Grateful Dead sang, "What a long strange trip it's been". The impression I get is that "everyone" thinks public charging must follow the gas station model. All chargers must be "fast" and cost $5 or more to use. These expensive charging stations are frequently vandalized and broken. Everyone drives 100-200 miles every day, and no one can charge at home without spending thousands of dollars on a home charging station. So we *must* have vast network of public charging stations to match the existing network of gas stations. That's not the only solution, you know. Where I live, there are hundreds of free public AC outlets. They've been there for decades, for plugging in your ICE's block heaters in the winter. They don't get vandalized, except by an occasional errant snowplow. Every EV I've seen already has a built-in charger; all it needs is any normal AC outlet. I simply charge at home, or plugged in at work so by quitting time, my EV was fully charged. There are parking meters that accept real coins, and meter readers that collect the coins (and put the tickets on your car if it's over-parked). I have yet to see one that takes credit cards. There are no gated communities, and people generally don't lock their cars or their doors. Theft and vandalism are not enough of a problem to worry about. Lee -- Whether we or our politicians know it or not, Nature is party to all our deals and decisions, and she has more votes, a longer memory, and a sterner sense of justice than we do. -- Wendell Berry -- Lee Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, www.sunrise-ev.com -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com ___ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC fields HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/ -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20230829/e8fb6bf5/attachment.htm> ___ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC fields HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/ -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20230829/c144ff8f/attachment.htm> ___ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC fields HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/
Re: [EVDL] EV charging is changing
That's great except for traveling and apartment dwellers. I only use the supercharger when on the interstates. My non-Tesla EV I only use in the city and charge at home. On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 04:06:05 PM CDT, Lee Hart via EV wrote: EV@TucsonEV via EV wrote: > One of the reasons why parking meters went to CC systems is the fact that they > were continuously broken into and were more costly to maintain since they > needed > someone to empty them of the change. It's depressing to see how the future is developing. Like the Grateful Dead sang, "What a long strange trip it's been". The impression I get is that "everyone" thinks public charging must follow the gas station model. All chargers must be "fast" and cost $5 or more to use. These expensive charging stations are frequently vandalized and broken. Everyone drives 100-200 miles every day, and no one can charge at home without spending thousands of dollars on a home charging station. So we *must* have vast network of public charging stations to match the existing network of gas stations. That's not the only solution, you know. Where I live, there are hundreds of free public AC outlets. They've been there for decades, for plugging in your ICE's block heaters in the winter. They don't get vandalized, except by an occasional errant snowplow. Every EV I've seen already has a built-in charger; all it needs is any normal AC outlet. I simply charge at home, or plugged in at work so by quitting time, my EV was fully charged. There are parking meters that accept real coins, and meter readers that collect the coins (and put the tickets on your car if it's over-parked). I have yet to see one that takes credit cards. There are no gated communities, and people generally don't lock their cars or their doors. Theft and vandalism are not enough of a problem to worry about. Lee -- Whether we or our politicians know it or not, Nature is party to all our deals and decisions, and she has more votes, a longer memory, and a sterner sense of justice than we do. -- Wendell Berry -- Lee Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, www.sunrise-ev.com -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com ___ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC fields HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/ -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20230829/e8fb6bf5/attachment.htm> ___ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC fields HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/
Re: [EVDL] EV charging is changing
EV@TucsonEV via EV wrote: One of the reasons why parking meters went to CC systems is the fact that they were continuously broken into and were more costly to maintain since they needed someone to empty them of the change. It's depressing to see how the future is developing. Like the Grateful Dead sang, "What a long strange trip it's been". The impression I get is that "everyone" thinks public charging must follow the gas station model. All chargers must be "fast" and cost $5 or more to use. These expensive charging stations are frequently vandalized and broken. Everyone drives 100-200 miles every day, and no one can charge at home without spending thousands of dollars on a home charging station. So we *must* have vast network of public charging stations to match the existing network of gas stations. That's not the only solution, you know. Where I live, there are hundreds of free public AC outlets. They've been there for decades, for plugging in your ICE's block heaters in the winter. They don't get vandalized, except by an occasional errant snowplow. Every EV I've seen already has a built-in charger; all it needs is any normal AC outlet. I simply charge at home, or plugged in at work so by quitting time, my EV was fully charged. There are parking meters that accept real coins, and meter readers that collect the coins (and put the tickets on your car if it's over-parked). I have yet to see one that takes credit cards. There are no gated communities, and people generally don't lock their cars or their doors. Theft and vandalism are not enough of a problem to worry about. Lee -- Whether we or our politicians know it or not, Nature is party to all our deals and decisions, and she has more votes, a longer memory, and a sterner sense of justice than we do. -- Wendell Berry -- Lee Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, www.sunrise-ev.com -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com ___ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC fields HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/
