Re: [EVDL] EV Digest, Vol 108, Issue 3

[Nikki Gordon-Bloomfield via EV]

I have to admit that we’re up in the Tualatin mountains in Oregon and while we 
don’t get power outages all that often, when we do, it can take a long time to 
get the power back on. 

We have an F150 Lightning reservation. Partly because for my business 
(Transport Evolved) to help carry around gear and people… and partly because my 
wife has a woodworking shop that requires regular trips to pick up wood!. And 
of course, partly because we’d like to have power backup. 

Eventually, the F150 Lightning is hoped to work with your home to transfer 
power to the grid when needed, and charge up during low grid demand periods. 
I’m cool with that. The damage on the battery drawing a maximum of 9 kW 
instantaneous is far less than it would be towing 10,000 pounds every day on 
the freeway! 



> On Oct 4, 2021, at 6:01 AM, paul dove via EV  wrote:
> 
>   Well, that is a little presumptuous. I never claimed no one needed it. I 
> claimed it wold not be a selling point for EV's. Not enough people are in 
> that situation to make a difference in sales. Besides my vehicle was $78,000. 
> I believe a house backup system can be purchased for much less than this 
> amount. I admit I haven't researched the number of power outages and could be 
> wrong but it seems implausible to me. Rural areas probably have more outages 
> but then they are left likely to buy an EV for any reason.
>On Sunday, October 3, 2021, 9:29:58 PM CDT, Tim Economu via EV 
>  wrote:  
> 
> " I said that. Lost power for three days back in the 90's when a tornado 
> blew through. Not worth investing a lot of money for 3 days every 25 years."
> 
> That seems like a quaint world view to me. "I don't need it so no one else 
> does either" .
> 
> We have lived in rural America for the past 40 years and power is not so 
> consistent in a lot of places here in the US. We lose power every year 
> numerous times, for varying amounts of hours and days. I don't use fossil 
> fuels much anymore, so backup generators are not an option, and are a poor 
> option for those that do use fossils in my opinion. But I do have solar power 
> and a small battery bank, so recharging during a power outage is possible and 
> is necessary if we want to maintain power for water,refrigeration, 
> electronics, and fresh air inside our passive house.
> 
> To have an EV that will provide not only transportation but occasional power 
> is not a little thing, it's huge. Especially if you can recharge during the 
> sunny day. To have jobsite power is even bigger.
> 
> I do realize that it might be something that some people do not think is 
> worth spending money. But there are a lot of us out here that it would be 
> worth spending quite a lot of for that option. If it came as part of the 
> package, all the better.
> 
> I happen to believe that vehicle to grid is a game changer, kind of like 
> Level 5 autonomy will be a game changer.
> Tim Economu
> Whidbey Island
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>>> I said that. Lost power for three days back in the 90's when a tornado blew 
>>> through. Not worth
>>> investing a lot of money for 3 days every 25 years.
>> I agree it's not worth buying an EV JUST to use it as a backup power source. 
>>  However, most people buy EVs to drive.  When deciding which EV to buy, one 
>> that has the capability of powering your house in an emergency situation 
>> might just be a deciding factor for many people.
>> 
>> FWIW I moved my critical loads (Fridge/Freezer, HVAC, etc.) to a new 
>> subpanel with a transfer switch so that I could power my critical loads from 
>> my EVs during a power outage.
>> Once we go off-grid this setup will allow me to get by with a smaller house 
>> battery. 

Re: [EVDL] Ford F-150 Reveal - Great for everyone!

[Nikki Gordon-Bloomfield via EV]

YES! AMEN! 

> On May 21, 2021, at 2:30 PM, Robert Bruninga via EV  wrote:
> 
> Each 14 MPG gas guzzling pickup commuter that gets taken off the road
> for a new F150 Lightening, accomplishes more for the environment and
> all of us than maybe three other EV purchases.  So this is a WIN-WIN
> all the way around.
> 
> FINALLY something I can talk about in common with the "good ole boys"
> Bob
> 
> Back to the Ford F-150 Lightning - $40-90k before incentives. Doesn’t
> sound cheap, but it performs better than any F-150 has ever performed,
> which is exactly what’s needed to generate sales and excitement, and
> make it *the* F-150 to own.
> If it gets people interested in EVs as a cool, high performance vehicle, 
> that’s great.
> This is a middle America meat and potatoes vehicle.
> I see this vehicle as game-changing as the Tesla.
>>> I think it will be popular. So much for making efficient vehicles - 
>>> one estimate I read put the small pack at 115kWh. But most buyers won't 
>>> care. They want the F-150 look, the power, and the range. It must weigh 
>>> a ton. No, make that 3 tons.
> Same price for the low end model. Lots of intelligent features. This is a 
> real competitor to the Cybertruck. Lawrence Rhodes
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Re: [EVDL] Factory EV 2002 Toyota Rav4EV on the market

[Nikki Gordon-Bloomfield via EV]

We’re getting 40-50 miles at the moment on half the battery. As the pack
has just been put in, it’s still waking up… Eventually, I should get 70-80
miles.



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On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 5:07 PM, Lawrence Rhodes  wrote:

> You would have to find a Leaf in the junk yard.  Have someone with the
> technical skills to fit the battery in the RAV then hardware hack till it
> works.  Doable but it would be a project and a half.  What is your range
> down to?  It is just a matter of time before you convert or sell.  It will
> always be worth something.  The drive train will last a long time.  Not the
> battery.  Lawrence Rhodes
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> *Subject:* Re: [EVDL] Factory EV 2002 Toyota Rav4EV on the market
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> If anyone wants to offer… I’ve got a 2002 RAV4 EV that’s my daily driver
> ;)
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> On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 4:54 PM, Lawrence Rhodes via EV  > wrote:
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> The rav4 would make a great conversion using a Leaf 30kw battery.  You
> would have to disable all the computers though.  Good luck.  Lawrence Rhodes
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Re: [EVDL] Factory EV 2002 Toyota Rav4EV on the market

[Nikki Gordon-Bloomfield via EV]

If anyone wants to offer… I’ve got a 2002 RAV4 EV that’s my daily driver ;)



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On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 4:54 PM, Lawrence Rhodes via EV 
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> The rav4 would make a great conversion using a Leaf 30kw battery.  You
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Re: [EVDL] Leaf BMS

[Nikki Gordon-Bloomfield via EV]

It gets upset. Which is why WolfTronix came up with that special spoofer
device. It sits there and pretends to be modules so that the BMS is happy.
:)



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On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 6:21 PM, John Lussmyer via EV 
wrote:

> Another Leaf question.
> How will the BMS react if there are only 40 modules in the string, instead
> of 48?
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Re: [EVDL] Leaf battery pack connector

[Nikki Gordon-Bloomfield via EV]

Try reaching out to “WolfTronix” — he’s been working on doing some pretty
fun things with LEAF packs.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCiLeHxANvxq6_BTl3GbeahQ

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On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 11:23 AM, John Lussmyer via EV 
wrote:

> I was able to borrow a little unit that plugs into the round multi-pin
> connector on a Leaf pack to read out all the cell voltages.
> Problem is, I discovered that the connector is for newer Leaf packs, and
> doesn't fit into the connector on older leaf packs.
>
> Anyone know what the exact differences are?
> Is it just a physical plug difference, or are the signals different as
> well?
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Re: [EVDL] $52M/yr 'Quiet (Electrified) cars' alert-sound rules by 2019/09

[Nikki Gordon-Bloomfield via EV]

I’m afraid I have my own solution to this. I play my music very loudly when
I think someone may be at risk of not hearing me… ;)





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On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 10:03 AM, Jim Walls via EV 
wrote:

> Lee said (in part):
>
>  > If we're going to set some new standard, I think it should apply to
> > *all* vehicles, ICE as well as EV. That will prevent EV-haters from
> > legislating obnoxious standard *on purpose* to discourage EVs. It would
> > also put the general public on our side, as they don't want their ICEs
> > to be deliberately made noisy or obnoxious.
>
>
>  Unless you're my 24 year old son who wants his future car to be as loud
> and obnoxious as possible :(
>
>
>  I think you have a good idea however...
>
>  Jim Walls
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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: LEAF goes wireless EVSE in the interest of science

[Nikki Gordon-Bloomfield via EV]

I should probably note here that the article was written by me: Transport
Evolved is my ‘baby’.

At the moment, we actually have two inductive cars. There’s the temporary
longer inductive system written about in the article, but also a 2002 RAV4
EV with SPI system. Sadly, the latter is a bit sick right now (one of the
modules has two shorted cells and thus does not charge above 11.9 volts).

Nikki.
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On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 8:09 AM, Peter C. Thompson via EV  wrote:

> Hi Peter,
>
> Wireless power transfer efficiency (end-to-end) is above 90%.  A google
> search of "wireless EV charging efficiency" shows several companies
> claiming this (including mine).  All of the major OEMs are looking into
> wireless charging as a long-term solution, and are working very hard on
> making sure that the systems will be compatible across the globe.
>
> The mechanical plug idea is not new, but does add problems and costs (as
> do all systems). Water shorting remains an issue, as does blocking. I'm
> sure a good solution will arise for this.
>
> Cheers, Peter
>
>
>
>
> On 5/19/16 6:54 AM, Peter Eckhoff via EV wrote:
>
>> From what I have read in the past, inductive pads are not that energy
>> efficient as compared to a direct plug in.  Have things changed?
>>
>> I like the idea behind Apple's Magsafe 2 charging port for laptops.  With
>> the Magsafe 2 charging system, the port is magnetized so that a charger
>> plug will stay attached but will release given enough force.  This prevents
>> yanking on a firmly connected plug and prevents damage to the connective
>> plug and/or receptacle.
>>
>> For an EV, the idea would be that the plug hangs down from the ceiling or
>> pole and a person drives into their garage, carport, or spot on the
>> driveway.  The magnetic field is sensed, opens up the charging port doors,
>> and the magnetic field draws the plug to the proper position, makes
>> contact, a light on the dash confirms proper contact, and recharging
>> begins.  When the time comes to drive away, there is no plug to remove.
>> The motion of backing away breaks the magnetic hold and the port door
>> automatically closes.  There is no forgetting to unplug.
>>
>> I could see where out in the open where dew and rain might present a
>> problem.  How does Tesla, Nissan, and all the other EV manufacturers
>> prevent water from causing a short?
>>
>> On 5/19/16, 3:27 AM, brucedp5 via EV wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> https://transportevolved.com/2016/05/13/staff-car-report-our-nissan-leaf-gets-fitted-with-a-wireless-inductive-charging-system-in-the-interests-of-science/
>>> Staff Car Report: Our Nissan LEAF Gets Fitted With A WIRELESS INDUCTIVE
>>> CHARGING SYSTEM IN THE INTERESTS OF SCIENCE
>>> MAY 13, 2016  NIKKI GORDON-BLOOMFIELD
>>>
>>> [image
>>>
>>> https://transportevolved.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Transport-Evolved-Wireless-Charging-2-580x411.png
>>> The wireless receiver fits on the underside of the car, and is paired
>>> with
>>> the wireless inductive transmitter located on the floor
>>>
>>>
>>> https://transportevolved.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Transport-Evolved-Plugless-Power-installation-2-580x387.jpg
>>> At the front of the car, a few extra control cables are interfaced with
>>> the
>>> stock wiring
>>>
>>>
>>> https://transportevolved.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Transport-Evolved-Plugless-Power-installation-19-580x387.jpg
>>> As the receiver pad is fitted below the trunk area, installation nears
>>> completion
>>>
>>>
>>> https://transportevolved.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Transport-Evolved-Plugless-Power-installation-26-580x387.jpg
>>> New diffuser plates are fitted to protect the inductive charging pad
>>>
>>>
>>> https://transportevolved.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Transport-Evolved-Plugless-Power-installation-44-700x467.jpg
>>> Its not our best work, but as its temporary, this is what our
>>> installation
>>> looks like
>>>
>>>
>>> https://transportevolved.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Transport-Evolved-Plugless-Power-installation-47-580x387.jpg
>>> As you approach, a series of arrows guide you in
>>> ]
>>>
>>> With more than 30 years of collaborative electric car and plug-in vehicle
>>> ownership under our belts here at Transport Evolved, we’d like to think
>>> of
>>> ourselves as being pretty well versed in the act of plugging a car in to
>>> recharge it. From our earliest experiences involving standard household
>>> outlets to CHAdeMO DC quick charging and Tesla’s incredibly impressive
>>> Supercharger standard, driving a cleaner, greener car has always involved
>>> plugging a cord in somewhere at the end of a trip to recharge our car’s
>>> on-board battery pack for the next journey.
>>>
>>> Although anyone who has owned or driven an electric car for any length of
>>> time will admit that the act of plugging in a car to charge it is a
>>> process

Re: [EVDL] EV-Spotting in London

[Nikki Gordon-Bloomfield via EV]

Bruce,

I used to live in Bristol. Actually, Bristol is one of the more
forward-thinking cities in the UK when it comes to renewable energy. And
EVs. I used to regularly drive form Bristol to London (thanks to the
Ecotricity Electric Highway) in both our LEAF and our Volt. Always saw more
EVs in Bristol than I did in London.

How long are you in the area for?

Nikki.



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On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 5:54 PM, George Tyler via EV 
wrote:

>
> If you drive through the countryside (like I did last year) you will see
> solar huge farms. One was a fiels of solar panels about 1km long by 500m
> wide. Thought UK was the worst place for solar due to the weather
>
> -Original Message-
> From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Bruce Lawton via
> EV
> Sent: Thursday, 19 May 2016 9:33 a.m.
> To: ev@lists.evdl.org
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] EV-Spotting in London
>
> Yes, London England. Well, I thought the price alone would steer drivers
> toward EVs, even if eco concerns did not.
>
> Today I saw more rooftop solar around Bristol than I've seen in all of VA,
> NJ, AZ and Bahamas combined. Maybe electricity is very pricey.
>
> Bruce
>
>
> Bruce
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Re: [EVDL] Japanese leaf charging cable

[Nikki Gordon-Bloomfield via EV]

I would hazard that the small switch-mode power supply inside the EVSE
charging ’brick’ is universal. You may want to ask this guy:
http://evseupgrade.com/?main_page=product_info_id=28

How much will recertification cost?

If you’re going to have to certify either way, a more sensible option would
be to find a UK or European charge cable to use. Brits use 230V +/- 10
percent at 50 hz. Our charge cables with factory LEAFs were set to charge
at 13 amps, 240-volts.

I actually have a portable charging cable in my garage here in the U.S.,
but it’d be of no use to you I suspect even though ti’s at 240 volts as
it’s set to make use of European style Mennekes connectors.

I know Nissan no-longer sells the LEAF in NZ: but a similar cable from a
Mitsubishi garage should work. (The Outlander PHEV uses the same charging
cable as a LEAF).

So in order of ease:

Buy an Outlander PHEV cable.
Buy a cable from Europe, put on a new plug and recertify.

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On Mon, May 2, 2016 at 1:28 PM, George Tyler via EV 
wrote:

> Hi, here in NZ many people are importing used Nissan Leaf's from Japan.
> Japan has different voltage and frequency to the supply here, leaf charging
> cable: 200V 60hz, NZ voltage 230V 50Hz. There is a small transformer in the
> cable that has to be changed, but opening the cable means that it has to be
> re-certified. Does anyone know what the charging cable electronics does?
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Re: [EVDL] Hotel Chargers

[Nikki Gordon-Bloomfield via EV]

My two cents.

Based on experience in Europe, it’s often about ensuring you have a bunch
of converters/connectors, and can bend the ear of either someone who does
maintenance, kitchen staff, or someone else you can befriend.

Openchargemap could be one place to start, and Plugshare too. But it does
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On Wed, Apr 27, 2016 at 5:39 PM, John Lussmyer via EV 
wrote:

> On Wed Apr 27 17:35:51 PDT 2016 ev@lists.evdl.org said:
> >I would think hotels would be the first place you'd see chargers: it's a
> great perk to advertise, if I'm stopping at hotel - I probably really need
> to charge, the cost is small compared to the room charge,  it makes them
> look 'modern', etc.
>
> Cause most people traveling < 100 miles (Leaf range) aren't staying at
> hotels.
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Re: [EVDL] What brand & model car was burned in a Vacaville-CA garage fire?

[Nikki Gordon-Bloomfield via EV]

That was my first suggestion too. An old Solectria Force would fit the
bill.

Given many of these cars are now far from stock, it also increase the risk
that there would be a fire or some other issue. However good we are in the
DIY world, mistakes happen.
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On Mon, Mar 14, 2016 at 6:55 AM, Rick Beebe via EV 
wrote:

> On 03/11/2016 06:10 PM, brucedp5 via EV wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Here's metal-exercise/brain teaser - what brand and model car is shown in
>> the story image below. The Vacaville FD rep sez its an Electric, but they
>> often get confused calling any non-ice vehicle an Electric. My thinking is
>> the burnt vehicle could be: an EV, pih, hev, cng, or possibly a fcv.
>>
>
> One of the comments to the article says it was a Solectria Force and based
> on the photos I tend to agree. The shape of the tail lights and the curve
> of the rear pillar match.
>
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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: What You Need To Know To Wire A Garage EVSE

[Nikki Gordon-Bloomfield via EV]

Just as a side here (because it’s what I have) the Versicharge from Siemens
comes with a four-way switch inside that you can set for maximum current.
This means (if like me) you’re renting a house with a 30A circuit free it’s
possible to turn down the max current to ensure you don’t heat any cables
up ;)

I think we set ours to 24 amps if I remember correctly. In practice, it
still happily charges our 2013 LEAF in a sensible amount of time.

As for plugs? The outlet in our garage provided by our town house is a
6r-30. I wanted 6-50, but they said there wasn’t the capacity for it (which
is why I went for the siemens as it comes with a 6-50 but you can easily
replace the cord with a different one…)

Just my twopennoth,

Nikki.

P.S. Just got a 2002 RAV4 EV as a ‘staff car’ at Transport Evolved. Trying
to figure out how best to charge that!



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On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 2:46 PM, Peter C. Thompson via EV 
wrote:

> I may have been the one to mistakenly say guarantee - you are correct in
> that it is certification.
>
> Cheers, Peter
>
>
> On 3/7/16 2:39 PM, Cor van de Water via EV wrote:
>
>> I have never heard of UL guarantee, all I have seen is UL Certification
>> which is the declaration by the private company UL that they took your
>> product and documentation and even production method, and tested it to
>> guarantee that it meets certain spec and safety standards.
>> The product is then said to be UL Listed.
>> If you modify the product or its production method, then it no longer
>> satisfies the original tests that UL did and that is one of the reasons
>> that UL will inspect products and the factory where they are made, to
>> verify that they still meet the original specs and still deserve to be
>> UL Listed.
>>
>> Cor van de Water
>> Chief Scientist
>> Proxim Wireless
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>> -Original Message-
>> From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Peter C.
>> Thompson via EV
>> Sent: Monday, March 07, 2016 10:34 AM
>> To: ev@lists.evdl.org
>> Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: What You Need To Know To Wire A Garage EVSE
>>
>> On 3/7/16 10:01 AM, EVDL Administrator via EV wrote:
>>
>>> On 7 Mar 2016 at 9:07, Peter C. Thompson via EV wrote:
>>>
>>> The hard-wired chargers can use the plug of your choice - as long as

>>> the
>>
>>> current capacity is sufficient.

>>> I may be remembering wrong, but I think that adding a cord and plug to
>>>
>> a
>>
>>> device approved for direct connection and not for temporary
>>>
>> installation is
>>
>>> a code violation.  Not that you're likely to get in trouble, but still
>>>
>> ...
>>
>>> David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA
>>> EVDL Administrator
>>>
>>> Hi David,
>>
>> It is not a violation if the manufacturer allows you to do so.  If they
>> don't specifically mention using a plug, then yes, that would be a
>> violation.  And I agree, you are not likely to get into trouble, just
>> need to be aware.
>>
>> Oh, and it likely will void any UL guarantees.
>>
>> Cheers, Peter
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